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Post by strikeleo on Jan 3, 2009 15:08:07 GMT -5
I'm not saying that... what I'm saying is: Kelly likes to write! and if she didn't write anything on this album, it shows that she was scared and feeling insecure because of what Clives did to her. I'm sure that she'll write at least 3 songs on this cd. I just love Kelly's lyrics. Scared and insecure ? Umm....do you not think that it might show that Kelly is keeping her word for singing on tracks that the she and RCA agree on ??? Since we know no official final tracklisting, all this talk if presumptive (but fun :) ). That being said, I would not be surprised if Kelly changes words around or makes them fit her on several of the tracks that she sings on, much like she did with 'Behind These Hazel Eyes'.... Do I need to remind that (at 0:50): www.youtube.com/watch?v=izbb0EhtBv4 . Haha, I just made it my signature so I don't have to repeat myself ;) Yeah, but at the same time, she can write and sing you know. it's not like she lacks something composing, and I'd appreciate to get great lyrics like we had in MD. Personally, what catches me in a song is the voice and the lyrics of it, and Kelly is talented in both.
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Post by neally on Jan 3, 2009 15:08:33 GMT -5
I'm not so crazy about all the rumored songs that we've heard so far. I just need to hear Kelly's voice on them in order to properly judge them. The 2 we got today are too rock for my taste and for Hook Up and Long Shot, I can't stand Katy Perry's voice so I thought they sounded terrible. ![:-X](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/lipssealed.png) I haven't heard Save You, so idk. Despite this, I still have a lot of faith in this album, she's worked with a lot of great people and I know the material will reflect that. I agree with you about the songs so far, but my mind is far too unimaginative to unbiasedly envision Kelly's voice on any of those four songs, lol. 'Save You' is in a totally different league, IMO. I can see that track becoming rather epic with just a bit of tweaking ! :)
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Post by justmusicjunkie on Jan 3, 2009 15:26:14 GMT -5
Umm just how do you know that Kelly isn't happy with the material for this album? I'm not saying that... what I'm saying is: Kelly likes to write! and if she didn't write anything on this album, it shows that she was scared and feeling insecure because of what Clives did to her. I'm sure that she'll write at least 3 songs on this cd. I just love Kelly's lyrics. You are probably forgetting that Kelly has also said time and again in the past that while she loves writing she doesn't feel like she has to sing only songs she has written. She's professed plenty of times how she likes singing other people's songs.
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Post by circadian on Jan 3, 2009 15:35:19 GMT -5
I think the writing credits are going to be like the ones in Breakaway... Two or three written by her, but I'm sure she will have several songs as a co-writrer... Most of the Ryan Tedder songs will have Kelly as a co-writter, they have such a similar style, and I guess they made magic together ![](http://yoursmiles.org/ssmile/fun/s0244.gif)
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Post by QAF on Jan 3, 2009 15:40:32 GMT -5
I'm so pumped for this cd. I know it's totally going to rock.
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Post by ƒreakshow on Jan 3, 2009 16:07:11 GMT -5
I just listened to Save You, and I really like it. With a little tweaking, it'll be perfect. I think the Tedder tracks are going to be some of my favorites.
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Post by mark_mc on Jan 3, 2009 16:13:28 GMT -5
I really can't wait for the Tedder tracks either. In fact I would be surprised if they aren't my favorite work ever from her. I love the songs he writes and produces and with Kelly as the double act I am sure they will be amazing!
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Post by Bluesy on Jan 3, 2009 16:17:29 GMT -5
Great title. Thanks for the link. :)
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Post by Cold as Ice on Jan 3, 2009 16:33:17 GMT -5
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Post by Bluesy on Jan 3, 2009 16:37:17 GMT -5
i want at least half of the songs in the album written or co-written by Kelly. Why? No disrespect or challenge intended by this question. I'm just truly curious about the point of view and genuinely don't understand why it matters who wrote the songs. Many, if not most legends in music never wrote their own songs.
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Post by Bluesy on Jan 3, 2009 16:44:58 GMT -5
It doesn't bother me one bit whether or not Kelly wrote on the album. I already know she's a talented songwriter. She doesn't have to write every single song so that it's "good" nor I do think less of her if she didn't. That's how I feel about it, too. I don't give a rat's butt who writes a song. What I care about is whether or not the singer's performance of the melody and lyrics connect with me in some way. That's what I'll remember and buy, not some writing credit.
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Post by Bluesy on Jan 3, 2009 16:52:55 GMT -5
...and for Hook Up and Long Shot, I can't stand Katy Perry's voice so I thought they sounded terrible. I can't stand Perry's voice either. It's way too deep for a woman to suit my taste in music. Plus Perry uses that little Valley girl inflection that I absolutely hate, but that so many pop female singers use these days. One of the things I love about Kelly is that her voice is big, full, rich, real and adult. She never comes across as a 20-something woman trying to sound like a 10-year-old's idea of sexy.
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Post by mark_mc on Jan 3, 2009 17:25:03 GMT -5
i want at least half of the songs in the album written or co-written by Kelly. Why? No disrespect or challenge intended by this question. I'm just truly curious about the point of view and genuinely don't understand why it matters who wrote the songs. Many, if not most legends in music never wrote their own songs. I think it is important to some people because they want the album to feel genuine and have a better emotional connection with the artist as well as explore a bit more about them as a person.. Would Because Of You worked so well if it wasn't written by Kelly? - I don't think so. I remember reading a interview with Kelly where she was talking about Thankful and spoke really excitingly about the songs she had a hand in writing and then when it came to the other songs she was a little less enthusiastic. I would rather Kelly have a album full of songs she wants and flop than a album with third party writers and sell 10 million copies. At the end of the day thought its Kelly and it is THAT voice so all will be good.
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Post by K. on Jan 3, 2009 17:34:31 GMT -5
Kelly recorded 2 songs "All I Ever Wanted" and "Why You Wanna Bring Me Down", not sure yet if there on the album. Listen to the original versions HERE Kind of JET-ish. I like them.
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Post by izrahell711 on Jan 3, 2009 17:43:27 GMT -5
this just proves the point that you can never make EVERYONE happy.
at first people bashed kelly for writing on every track on MD, saying she shouldnt write any songs alone and she needed the hitmakers blah blah
and NOW everyones saying kelly needs to have songs written by her or else shes a sellout
whatever, im just really ready to hear this record. its going to be amazing i can feel it.
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Post by mark_mc on Jan 3, 2009 17:47:50 GMT -5
this just proves the point that you can never make EVERYONE happy. at first people bashed kelly for writing on every track on MD, saying she shouldnt write any songs alone and she needed the hitmakers blah blah and NOW everyones saying kelly needs to have songs written by her or else shes a sellout whatever, im just really ready to hear this record. its going to be amazing i can feel it. I don't think you would have heard true Kelly fans moaning about MD. All the people who jumped on the bandwagon during Breakaway were moaning but the real hardcore fans liked the rawness of My December. The moaners are the media and the neutrals
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Post by izrahell711 on Jan 3, 2009 18:04:52 GMT -5
this just proves the point that you can never make EVERYONE happy. at first people bashed kelly for writing on every track on MD, saying she shouldnt write any songs alone and she needed the hitmakers blah blah and NOW everyones saying kelly needs to have songs written by her or else shes a sellout whatever, im just really ready to hear this record. its going to be amazing i can feel it. I don't think you would have heard true Kelly fans moaning about MD. All the people who jumped on the bandwagon during Breakaway were moaning but the real hardcore fans liked the rawness of My December. The moaners are the media and the neutrals thats who i was refering to.
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Post by circadian on Jan 3, 2009 18:06:00 GMT -5
IMO, it'll be a complete step backwards if she doesn't have any writing credits on the album. Even on Thankful, Kelly had written on 4 songs and that was coming off straight from idol ![:-X](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/lipssealed.png) C'mon, she's definitely going to have several writing credits on the album... did she write the whole album like MD? NO... but she wrote or cowrote several songs, i'm sure of that... i think her credits will be like the ones she had with breakaway...
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Post by Bluesy on Jan 3, 2009 18:18:02 GMT -5
Why? No disrespect or challenge intended by this question. I'm just truly curious about the point of view and genuinely don't understand why it matters who wrote the songs. Many, if not most legends in music never wrote their own songs. I think it is important to some people because they want the album to feel genuine and have a better emotional connection with the artist as well as explore a bit more about them as a person. Thanks for your explanation. Seen in that way, it makes more sense to me now.
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Post by Bluesy on Jan 3, 2009 18:19:19 GMT -5
this just proves the point that you can never make EVERYONE happy. There's some 6 billion people on the planet, and every one of them has an opinion. ;)
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Post by tsharky on Jan 3, 2009 18:53:44 GMT -5
I personally cannot wait to start seeing Kelly at major award shows again, etc. She was greatly missed at the AMAs and VMAs, etc. Maybe someday I will get that (non-photoshopped) Carrie/Kelly picture I am waiting patiently for... lol
I think her album is coming out at the perfect time.. because Katy Perry, Leona and RIhanna owned 2008 on radio, etc.- but people are ready for new fresh material from someone new. While Kelly is not new, she has been quiet for awhile so she will be treated as a breath of fresh air to pop radio, which is precisely what she is.
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Post by ƒreakshow on Jan 3, 2009 19:09:52 GMT -5
This was posted at the Express..I thought it was funny. The album cover should look something like this! ![](http://i40.tinypic.com/2ia4ls2.jpg)
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Post by blurple on Jan 3, 2009 19:12:15 GMT -5
^ LMFAO!!! Hot cover!!! :o ![](http://yoursmiles.org/ssmile/fun/s0244.gif)
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Post by circadian on Jan 3, 2009 19:12:52 GMT -5
This was posted at the Express..I thought it was funny. The album cover should look something like this! ![](http://i40.tinypic.com/2ia4ls2.jpg) ROFL!!!!!!!!! PRICELESS ![:d](http://images.proboards.com/cheesy.gif) I guess that if the album isn't called 'Masquerade', it could still be called 'My trip to the public bathroom'
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Post by sbp17 on Jan 3, 2009 20:14:08 GMT -5
I think it is important to some people because they want the album to feel genuine and have a better emotional connection with the artist as well as explore a bit more about them as a person.. Would Because Of You worked so well if it wasn't written by Kelly? - I don't think so. Perhaps. perhaps not. Take my favorite artist, Reba. She has had a career spanning decades and the most consistent complement attributed to her by fans and critics alike is her ability to emote and to connect with her music and with the fans. Yet, she has only written a handful of songs in her long career and only a couple of those were released. Her signature and most defining hit is a song that she not only did not write but it is a song about prostitution, a 'profession' in which I'm certain she's never participated. Another example is And Still, consistently highlighted during the 2W2V tour as one of her more compelling performances in the show even though she didn't write it. I can't imagine that song working any better for her even if she did write it. To get this back specifically to Kelly, she did not write Up To The Mountain but I find her performance of that song just as compelling and genuine as Because Of You. I guess it's a rather long-winded way of saying that certainly an artist shares a personal connection with a song they've written but that's not to suggest that an artist cannot pour themselves completely into songs they don't write. You used the word 'genuine' and I would suggest that a great deal of Reba's albums represent genuine Reba even though her name is non-existent in the songwriting credits. As far as my expectations of Masquerade, there were things I liked about Breakaway and things I didn't like. And there were things I liked about My December and things I didn't like. While there were differences between the two cds, I do not believe the differences were as stark as is often mentioned. It was the more pop or country-flavored songs on both cds that I preferred because those are my preferred genres whereas the edgier stuff didn't do much for me. There were good and not-so-good lyrics on both cds.. I would like a more pop (or country) feel but not with lyrical content that gets any more cutesy than SUBG, regardless of who writes the songs. Whew, I think I wrote too much.
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Post by ƒreakshow on Jan 3, 2009 20:52:00 GMT -5
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Post by Bluesy on Jan 3, 2009 20:52:44 GMT -5
I think it is important to some people because they want the album to feel genuine and have a better emotional connection with the artist as well as explore a bit more about them as a person.. Would Because Of You worked so well if it wasn't written by Kelly? - I don't think so. Perhaps. perhaps not. I guess it's a rather long-winded way of saying that certainly an artist shares a personal connection with a song they've written but that's not to suggest that an artist cannot pour themselves completely into songs they don't write. You used the word 'genuine' and I would suggest that a great deal of Reba's albums represent genuine Reba even though her name is non-existent in the songwriting credits. Whew, I think I wrote too much. LOL, you didn't write too much. I was really hoping for some good opinions when I asked my question as to why some people put so much emphasis on singers writing their own songs. I happen to share your opinion, as expressed above, but really want to try to understand the other side.
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Post by Bluesy on Jan 3, 2009 20:57:40 GMT -5
For sure. It's hard to take something like this seriously. It sounds fake, but who knows. If it's real, that so-called Christian woman has her head in the gutter, and there's no one to blame for that but herself.
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Post by clarksodi on Jan 3, 2009 21:01:28 GMT -5
I pretty much agree with everything spb17 said. I don't think an artist necessarily needs to write her own songs in order to fully identify/emphatize with the lyrics and be able to deliver the emotions/feelings the song intends.
I personally loved Breakaway, which Kelly did not write but she fully related to (so much she even named her CD after the song). Although Kelly doesn't always write songs, she still chooses those that she relates to or finds a way to relate to them. Is there even one that you can possibly say she's recorded that makes no sense for her?
There's so many artists that write their own songs, but they still just sing the song without interpreting the emotions at all (Mariah, for example, who sings amazingly well and often leaves me in awe but her voice doesn't captivate ME at all). With Up to the Mountain, Kelly didn't pull amazing vocal acrobatics but channeled the emotions and feelings of the song so well. There's not many singers who can do that well (or remember Shelter, which was also great?)
So, I don't care if she writes or not, as long as she interprets each song she choses from the heart like she's done time and again. She's absolutely phenomenal either way.
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Post by clarksodi on Jan 3, 2009 21:05:43 GMT -5
Can someone explain to me why people don't want a Daughtry/Kelly Clarkson song?
Both have great voices and have a track record of singing great songs. It makes no sense to me why people don't want the song. I, for one, am dying to hear it.
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