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Post by Pulse on Feb 24, 2006 1:56:30 GMT -5
I have to agree with Sleepy Time. Videos are still important. Not saying, they make or break a song, but you need them. What songs have gone to #1 without a video? None that I can think of. Jessica Simpsons These Boots Are Made For Walkin' was definitely known for its video, and we can see how a video hurt Mariah Carey's It Like That.
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Post by MusicJunkie on Feb 24, 2006 6:33:44 GMT -5
In the past, videos have proven to help a song and I think this will happen here again. I can't believe some of you still think this has almost peaked. I think it'll pick up esp. with the number of songs in the top 10 that are dropping and have a definite place in the top 5 soon.
BTW john, I'm part of that "everyone." ;)
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Post by Krypton46 on Feb 24, 2006 7:52:32 GMT -5
A video may not be a difference maker in many cases but it is in some. "Stupid Girls" is a perfect example of that. I don't think that song would be doing as well as it has been had it not been for that video IMO. Heck, it wouldn't have even been a single had it not been for the video and we know that for a fact. That's the "power" a video can have. Another example, albeit a weak one perhaps, would be the video for "Just Want You To Know." Now the song wasn't going to be some huge success by any stretch but whatever hope there was of that song going up the charts any further flew out the window when that horrendous video premiered on MTV, VH1, etc.
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Post by Focus on Feb 24, 2006 8:23:10 GMT -5
First of all, I don't see anything rude directed toward you by sleepy time, at all. It's an opinion. You've been giving yours all along. And the "who is everyone"???, well that would be "everyone" in this thread that has been hearing the exact same thing from you over and over and over and over again. I feel that you are the person that is being rude to the people in this thread when you intimate that the only reason we disagree with you is because we can't handle the truth. That's just idiotic. Everyone has their own opinion and for you to say that our opinion has no validity because it's not the same as yours is silly.
YAY!! Walk Away is back up to #9 today, and it still has that lovely bullet.
9 9 KELLY CLARKSON Walk Away 2004 RCA/RMG 5595 5234 361 38.667
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Post by Becks on Feb 24, 2006 11:57:43 GMT -5
Top 5 is still possible... with a huge longevity
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Post by Love Plastic Love on Feb 24, 2006 12:20:54 GMT -5
I want to know when she "collapsed dramatically" in spins. To me, a dramatic loss is like... +1200-+400 or +400-+100 Hasnt Kelly been around the 350-450 bullet range for awhile?
Oh and I think anyone who knows anything about the music industry knows that videos do help songs...sometimes. THe question is will the Walk Away video help Kelly...I think it would have to be pretty amazing to do so since I have never really thought of her as an amazing video maker.
But I guess I just cant handle the truth!!!!
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Post by Jeff on Feb 24, 2006 14:30:06 GMT -5
Videos don't help, but artist and record lables spend billions of dollars a year on them? I just can't wait till this song goes to #8, then see what John's exscuse is then... Mmmhh, that'll be good times. haha
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Post by GiggaWho on Feb 24, 2006 14:57:25 GMT -5
I think it would help if we all tried to remember that most of what we talk about in here is opinions. Predicting the charts and what will impact them is much more of an art than a science. Outside of a few verifiable facts, like the song is currently #9 with 38.667 AI, there is no "truth". Just interpretations of it. And everyone here is welcome to theirs. :)
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Post by 7thfairway on Feb 24, 2006 15:17:39 GMT -5
Don't mnd John77, he's just a tad rigid and a tiny bit intolerant of other opinions regardless of their sound logic, intelligent arguments, and their reasonable rationale. The videos for BREAKAWAY, SUBG, BTHE, and BOY are on some commercial or music industry promo every 5 minutes and they appear nightly on the entertainment shows and all kinds of other television shows - they've sold a million CDs and tweaked the interest of millions more fans. John77 blindly dodges the fact Breakaway will easily sell 10 million copies worldwide outselling TEOM to become the best selling Female Pop album, worldwide, in the last 3 years - it's just now breaking in France, Spain and ALL of South America - and it's already topping the local countdowns and climbing the charts there. Those are the last bastions of foreign soil for Clarkson to conquer. One of my friends just went to Portugal and Africa and heard her music every where he went. I listen to international radio a lot and she's EVERYWHERE.
WA ain't going anywhere. It's video will make an impact - if it's as good as it's hype and the reported $2 Million they spent on it. I've seen all the gurus underestimate Kelly Clarkson and she sent them all to the corner with a dunce hat. What size hat do you wear John?
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Post by musiclives on Feb 24, 2006 15:39:26 GMT -5
I think that videos have an impressive impact on a how a song performs, it certainly helps with downloads! Most songs that perform well today do not do it because of airplay but because of downloads.
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Post by Pink Champagne Ricochet on Feb 24, 2006 15:51:41 GMT -5
I think the video will help, but it won't make it a smash #1 hit. "Stupid Girls" is a buzzworthy video many people are talking about. In all honesty, while Kelly has had some really good videos, she hasn't really had any that are majorly shocking or amazing to the point that "Walk Away" will get a substantial boost from it on airplay, although TRL seems to help with downloads and it will no doubt chart on there. (And I also can't figure out what the $2 million spent on it will be for) To me, Kelly isn't a video artist (okay, yeah, the VMA wins, but IMO that was more because of her general popularity than the SUBG video being especially great)...they're pretty much secondary, and that's fine with me.
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Post by Love Plastic Love on Feb 24, 2006 16:18:48 GMT -5
I think it would help if we all tried to remember that most of what we talk about in here is opinions. Predicting the charts and what will impact them is much more of an art than a science. Outside of a few verifiable facts, like the song is currently #9 with 38.667 AI, there is no "truth". Just interpretations of it. And everyone here is welcome to theirs. :) You just cant handle it!!! ;) Im still standing by 7 or 8-which is fantastic for a fifth single!
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Post by OUcultjam on Feb 24, 2006 16:20:08 GMT -5
well, I thought the videos for BTHE and BOY were substantially better than pretty much anything else out there. There was a storyline and emotion, which explored the meaning of the songs and impacted people.
Stupid Girls is a video but the song is worthless. Kelly had both the videos AND songs. I don't see that WA's video will give it a substantial boost, but perhaps radio knows the video is still coming and the song still has a lot of life left in it. Perhaps it's stupid wishful thinking, but I think people WILL be talking about this one and we'll probably see the bullet increase because those people that don't like the song may have a different impression after they see the video.
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Post by MinusName on Feb 24, 2006 17:28:14 GMT -5
well, I thought the videos for BTHE and BOY were substantially better than pretty much anything else out there. There was a storyline and emotion, which explored the meaning of the songs and impacted people. Stupid Girls is a video but the song is worthless. Kelly had both the videos AND songs. I don't see that WA's video will give it a substantial boost, but perhaps radio knows the video is still coming and the song still has a lot of life left in it. Perhaps it's stupid wishful thinking, but I think people WILL be talking about this one and we'll probably see the bullet increase because those people that don't like the song may have a different impression after they see the video. I think you are right, hopefully the video is awesome. Yeah, I think "Stupid Girls" wouldn't be doing anything right now if it didn't have a fun video with it, the song is pretty bad, but the video is great. In this scenario Kelly already has a good song, and hopfully a great video. It isn't like she is slowing down or anything, people need to stop getting in such a tizzy when a songs bullet goes down by like 30 spins.
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Post by Mike on Feb 24, 2006 17:32:58 GMT -5
In addition to the video, there are still remixes that are going to be released which sometimes boost airplay.
I can see this hitting Top 5 if the bullet can remain steady... I don't really know how much higher it would go after that.
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Post by Minimalism on Feb 25, 2006 3:01:37 GMT -5
I think the BOY video is rather bland and boring, I mean it's predictable. But the BTHE's one is hot! She looks really gorgeous and the set looks amazing. I hope the WA video will be better than this one. I also agree that BA has the potential of outselling Mimi very soon (worldwide). She's still selling strong in USA, UK and Australia (not to mention other European countries where she's still fresh on the charts) and I'm glad for her. I mean, of course I prefer Mariah, but Kelly is really sweet and talented, and I love her too!
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Post by John77 on Feb 25, 2006 4:45:37 GMT -5
Don't mnd John77, he's just a tad rigid and a tiny bit intolerant of other opinions regardless of their sound logic, intelligent arguments, and their reasonable rationale. The videos for BREAKAWAY, SUBG, BTHE, and BOY are on some commercial or music industry promo every 5 minutes and they appear nightly on the entertainment shows and all kinds of other television shows - they've sold a million CDs and tweaked the interest of millions more fans. First off, Im a little surprised by this post, 7th fairway, as we seem to generally agree on a lot of stuff from what I remember... I've never been intolerant of someone else's opinion here on the board... I'm also not one to change my mind just because someone else here tells me to... if you don't agree with what I have to say, then it's all good... I'll be honest about your above paragraph... I can't find anything anywhere to support your statement about Kelly's numbers... I'd like to know where you got those numbers from... It just looks like a bunch of generalizations at this point... What do the worldwide "Breakaway" album sales have to do with the WA discussion this thread is supposed to be about??? If you read my ALL of my posts, you'll find that I'm actually a fan of Kelly's stuff... I just don't think WA was a wise choice as a single. Notice how the album fell out of the top 20 for the first time recently??? WA's been hovering in the 60's and 70's on downloads at Wal-Mart and I know that there are similar numbers elsewhere... I'm entitled to my opinion and people can like or dislike it all they want. Usually though, I present facts (like the above)... and facts are a lot harder to argue with than generalizations. So, where did you find that supposed "$2 million they spent on" the WA video from??? I've had no luck finding any info on that... I'd also appreciate it if you'd take back that "dunce hat" statement... it's very inappropriate as I have a full head of hair and God willing, I'll NEVER have a need for hats...
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Post by John77 on Feb 25, 2006 5:17:20 GMT -5
I think it would help if we all tried to remember that most of what we talk about in here is opinions. Predicting the charts and what will impact them is much more of an art than a science. Outside of a few verifiable facts, like the song is currently #9 with 38.667 AI, there is no "truth". Just interpretations of it. And everyone here is welcome to theirs. :) You just cant handle it!!! ;) Im still standing by 7 or 8-which is fantastic for a fifth single! I predict one of us will be right. ;)
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Post by bubblepop15 on Feb 25, 2006 10:05:49 GMT -5
Woo!!! The video premieres today. Can't wait to see it.
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Post by Rose "Payola" Nylund on Feb 25, 2006 10:16:06 GMT -5
if you don't like the facts, that's fine and you can disagree with me all you want... but you don't have make rude remarks about me while you do it...
If they were *fact*, how can they be disagreed with?
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Post by Rose "Payola" Nylund on Feb 25, 2006 10:22:53 GMT -5
Notice how the album fell out of the top 20 for the first time recently??? WA's been hovering in the 60's and 70's on downloads at Wal-Mart and I know that there are similar numbers elsewhere... I'm entitled to my opinion and people can like or dislike it all they want. Usually though, I present facts (like the above)... and facts are a lot harder to argue with than generalizations.
An album will EVENTUALLY have to go down in sales. The people that want the album already have or will get it soon but the numbers can't stay high no matter what the current single is. I think you should take that into account.
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Post by 7thfairway on Feb 25, 2006 12:01:13 GMT -5
John77- I'm tired of proving to you over and over and over why you're chart analysis is flawed. Your logic is based on incomplete criteria and rationale - but you refuse to budge from your own rigid stance that does not take into account, the artists chart history, and the other extemporaneous factors of predicting a songs chart run. Your narrow vision and lack of consideration of ALL factors that determine a songs chart performance are hella bad.
If you've been paying attention you should know there has been extensive discussion about the costs of the WA video in this thread and the Breakaway Era thread. The video shoot was unusual because it lasted 4 days with one of the best directors in the world, Joseph Khan, a full cast and crew, on location and on a major studio sound stage in Hollywood with a union crew. The typical cost for such a video shoot, according to Billboard Magazine is $500,000 per day. The estimated cost of $2 million has been reported at many sites.
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Post by MusicJunkie on Feb 25, 2006 12:27:05 GMT -5
The video won't premiere today. They spoke with Kelly live from London on TRL after she won her award and they mentioned NOTHING on 'Walk Away.' :(
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Post by britrocks16 on Feb 25, 2006 12:52:04 GMT -5
That sucks so bad.
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Post by bubblepop15 on Feb 25, 2006 12:58:07 GMT -5
The video won't premiere today. They spoke with Kelly live from London on TRL after she won her award and they mentioned NOTHING on 'Walk Away.' :( Well, they had a fan question, "what is your next video" and she said "WA." I thought they were going to introduce it then. I guess not. GRR
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Post by britrocks16 on Feb 25, 2006 13:13:38 GMT -5
This is still at #9....
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Post by Gui393 on Feb 25, 2006 13:30:09 GMT -5
So, no word when it's going to debut?
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Post by John77 on Feb 25, 2006 19:56:35 GMT -5
John77- I'm tired of proving to you over and over and over why you're chart analysis is flawed. Your logic is based on incomplete criteria and rationale - but you refuse to budge from your own rigid stance that does not take into account, the artists chart history, and the other extemporaneous factors of predicting a songs chart run. Your narrow vision and lack of consideration of ALL factors that determine a songs chart performance are hella bad. I was going to give you the benefit of the doubt, but obviously you're having none of it... You've proven nothing to me about why my CHR/Pop chart analysis is flawed... I predicted a #9 peak for this song and it looks like I'm going to be close to right on... it it peaks at 7, 8 or 9, I don't really care... you're being very nit-picky... I'm not being rigid, just realistic... I haven't been on the Breakaway thread much of late(where most of your posts on this WA thread have seemed to really belong BTW). Link me to a site that shows that $2 million tag... someone else here was questioning it too.... Have a nice day. :)
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Post by britrocks16 on Feb 25, 2006 20:02:50 GMT -5
I highly doubt it cost 2M, why would they do that for a 5th single?
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Post by Filthy Pop on Feb 25, 2006 20:14:43 GMT -5
There are estimates of the video costing around 2 million on many sites also on this thread and in Breakaway's. It's probably true between 1.5-2 million from what I've heard about it and how long it took.
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