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Post by carriefan0209 on May 7, 2007 20:59:38 GMT -5
while NA is definitely a great song, IMO, it is too much of a "switch" from the 'old kelly'. i fear, and i pray im wrong, that kelly has grown a bit....pretentious in thinking that everything she touches will turn to gold. NA just might be the mistake, however slight, that shatters that illusion...i hope im wrong, cuz i think the song is too good for radio to pass up! I really don't see how NA is that much different. Yes, it has a different sound but it completely sounds like Kelly and it's not completely hard rock or anything. Guess nobody sees it the same. Honestly, Kelly doesn't care if whatever she touches turns to gold or not...she's said that a lot recently. She just wants to put out the music she's feeling at the time. I think that's fairly honorable, and not pretentious at all. ??? while that in itself is honorable, completely ignoring the advice of ur bosses, managers, and even fans is just a bit pretentious ;). however, i think its the thought that counts, so i can see why some people would not view that as a bit stuck-up. i do see the song as a big shift, for it reveals the hurt, the angst, the anger, and even the immaturity of a kelly extremely mad at an ex boyfriend. the song takes a dark concept and adds some pretty nifty ideas into it, but at the same time, i can imagine myself singing this as a junior in high school lol. truthfully, i can imagine avril singing this more than i can kelly (im sorry if i am bringing up the comparisons again, i just really feel that way )
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Post by realnewlight on May 7, 2007 21:00:10 GMT -5
I agree with a couple of posters above, NA is not all that different that the direction of Breakaway. The one difference is that i think it is more "raw" sounding, her vocals, the guitar, everything...which some people like, some dont...but radio usually does not.
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Post by Modern Myth on May 7, 2007 21:00:32 GMT -5
Why do people just automatically assume this is going to flop because the bullet isn't HUGE? That is just NOT always the CASE.
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Post by carriefan0209 on May 7, 2007 21:02:25 GMT -5
in my case, i am not saying it will DEFINITELY FLOP, i am just trying to explain the reasons for a POSSIBILITY of a flop (not even a flop..a letdown in terms of success. the song is better than a flop. radio success is only one factor in is and isnt a 'flop'.)
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Post by realnewlight on May 7, 2007 21:03:14 GMT -5
I don't think people are assuming that. Of course their is a chance this song will take off again and become huge...but its a bit naive to act like its not worrying and dissapointing that the bullet is what it is right now.
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Post by Love Plastic Love on May 7, 2007 21:25:07 GMT -5
I think it will flop because the bullet has collapsed from like...1500 to not even 200 in no time at all. VERY rarely does a song recover from that. VERY rarely. And NA is not that different from Breakaway, but I would still say its significantly less catchy than almost all of the singles from Breakaway and her label was not behind it. Yes, it is honorable to fight for your vision, but its also smart to listen to others sometimes. I do not think NA was a mistake because that is hers...her song, her vision. But I also hope she does not fight them tooth and nail with the next single because if it flops her career gets significantly more shaky.
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Post by kellyfan1232 on May 7, 2007 21:27:33 GMT -5
I will be honest that i am kind of worried, but i HOPE it will do well. NA is so much better than the other crap on the radio, and i really want it to do well.
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Post by Bluesy on May 7, 2007 21:43:15 GMT -5
in my case, i am not saying it will DEFINITELY FLOP, i am just trying to explain the reasons for a POSSIBILITY of a flop (not even a flop..a letdown in terms of success. the song is better than a flop. radio success is only one factor in is and isnt a 'flop'.) In your case, CARRIEfan... Honestly, the sanctimonious nonsense I see on this board is enough to choke a horse. How the heck could you possibly know that Kelly has, in YOUR words, CARRIEfan, been "completely ignoring the advice of ur bosses, managers, and even fans." Where's your proof of this astonishing assertion? And how about this comment from you: "i fear, and i pray im wrong, that kelly has grown a bit....pretentious in thinking that everything she touches will turn to gold." What brings you to that conclusion? Hmmmm. Oh, and sure you "fear and pray" you're wrong. Suurrrrre you do. Mmm hmmm. Yep.
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Post by dperkins on May 7, 2007 21:49:50 GMT -5
in my case, i am not saying it will DEFINITELY FLOP, i am just trying to explain the reasons for a POSSIBILITY of a flop (not even a flop..a letdown in terms of success. the song is better than a flop. radio success is only one factor in is and isnt a 'flop'.) In your case, CARRIEfan... Honestly, the sanctimonious nonsense I see on this board is enough to choke a horse. How the heck could you possibly know that Kelly has, in YOUR words, CARRIEfan, been "completely ignoring the advice of ur bosses, managers, and even fans." Where's your proof of this astonishing assertion? And how about this comment from you: "i fear, and i pray im wrong, that kelly has grown a bit....pretentious in thinking that everything she touches will turn to gold." What brings you to that conclusion? Hmmmm. Oh, and sure you "fear and pray" you're wrong. Suurrrrre you do. Mmm hmmm. Yep. Dear sweet Jesus! You did not just do what I think you did! Yep, I think you did. Just because her name says CARRIEfan does not mean she doesn't like Kelly, so honestly, you need to CHILL! Like seriously! Carriefan was NOT attacking Kelly at all, but stating her opinion as she saw it! So please take the hate out of this thread, cause it doesn't belong here.
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Post by kellyfan1232 on May 7, 2007 21:54:31 GMT -5
In your case, CARRIEfan... Honestly, the sanctimonious nonsense I see on this board is enough to choke a horse. How the heck could you possibly know that Kelly has, in YOUR words, CARRIEfan, been "completely ignoring the advice of ur bosses, managers, and even fans." Where's your proof of this astonishing assertion? And how about this comment from you: "i fear, and i pray im wrong, that kelly has grown a bit....pretentious in thinking that everything she touches will turn to gold." What brings you to that conclusion? Hmmmm. Oh, and sure you "fear and pray" you're wrong. Suurrrrre you do. Mmm hmmm. Yep. Dear sweet Jesus! You did not just do what I think you did! Yep, I think you did. Just because her name says CARRIEfan does not mean she doesn't like Kelly, so honestly, you need to CHILL! Like seriously! Carriefan was NOT attacking Kelly at all, but stating her opinion as she saw it! So please take the hate out of this thread, cause it doesn't belong here. Either way saying that Kelly thinks everything she touches becomes gold is stupid. Kelly never says that. But are right that just because she if a Carrie fan doesnt mean she hates Kelly although the chances are high.
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Post by Patches on May 7, 2007 21:55:41 GMT -5
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Post by Bluesy on May 7, 2007 21:56:43 GMT -5
I think it will flop because the bullet has collapsed from like...1500 to not even 200 in no time at all. VERY rarely does a song recover from that. VERY rarely... and her label was not behind it. I believe there are two reasons why this song was going gangbusters and then suddenly hit a brick wall. You mentioned one. The label pulled the plug on the song. Why? I'm not sure, but have a guess that I'll keep to myself. In any case, if I can judge by many of the comments on this thread, it seems what Kelly is "guilty" of is not wanting to do the same empty commercial pap that floods the airwaves these days. If she's willing to risk her career to try to do something better than the Umbrella's and Girlfriend's that get shoved at us these days, I think that's quite a brave thing.
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Post by dperkins on May 7, 2007 21:57:27 GMT -5
Dear sweet Jesus! You did not just do what I think you did! Yep, I think you did. Just because her name says CARRIEfan does not mean she doesn't like Kelly, so honestly, you need to CHILL! Like seriously! Carriefan was NOT attacking Kelly at all, but stating her opinion as she saw it! So please take the hate out of this thread, cause it doesn't belong here. Either way saying that Kelly thinks everything she touches becomes gold is stupid. Kelly never says that. But are right that just because she if a Carrie fan doesnt mean she hates Kelly although the chances are high.So, in turn I could basically say that just because you are Kelly fan chances are high that hate Carrie then, right?? Or does it only work one way??
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Post by Patches on May 7, 2007 21:59:16 GMT -5
Uhhmm she is not going away even if the song flops/underperforms/whateva. Lets just give the song more time please.
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Post by Bluesy on May 7, 2007 22:00:04 GMT -5
In your case, CARRIEfan... Honestly, the sanctimonious nonsense I see on this board is enough to choke a horse. How the heck could you possibly know that Kelly has, in YOUR words, CARRIEfan, been "completely ignoring the advice of ur bosses, managers, and even fans." Where's your proof of this astonishing assertion? And how about this comment from you: "i fear, and i pray im wrong, that kelly has grown a bit....pretentious in thinking that everything she touches will turn to gold." What brings you to that conclusion? Hmmmm. Oh, and sure you "fear and pray" you're wrong. Suurrrrre you do. Mmm hmmm. Yep. Dear sweet Jesus! You did not just do what I think you did! Yep, I think you did. Just because her name says CARRIEfan does not mean she doesn't like Kelly, so honestly, you need to CHILL! Like seriously! Carriefan was NOT attacking Kelly at all, but stating her opinion as she saw it! So please take the hate out of this thread, cause it doesn't belong here. There's no "hate" involved. Just MY opinion -- calling it as I see it. "Hate" is thrown around too much here to shut people down who don't go with the flow. Nor did I say she was "attacking" Kelly. Instead, I questioned why she made the presumptions she did -- made presumptions and stated them as fact, not even opinion. And I questioned whether being a Carrie fan might have something to do with it. Is that too hard to follow?
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Post by dperkins on May 7, 2007 22:01:17 GMT -5
Dear sweet Jesus! You did not just do what I think you did! Yep, I think you did. Just because her name says CARRIEfan does not mean she doesn't like Kelly, so honestly, you need to CHILL! Like seriously! Carriefan was NOT attacking Kelly at all, but stating her opinion as she saw it! So please take the hate out of this thread, cause it doesn't belong here. There's no "hate" involved. Just MY opinion -- calling it as I see it. "Hate" is thrown around too much here to shut people down who don't go with the flow. Nor did I say she was "attacking" Kelly. Instead, I questioned why she made the presumptions she did -- made presumptions and stated them as fact, not even opinion. And I questioned whether being a Carrie fan might have something to do with it. Is that too hard to follow? No, but the way you said it, emphasizing CARRIE in her name and everything and basically stating that you didn't believe she liked Kelly and whatnot isn't needed either. It was rude and disrespectful.
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Post by Patches on May 7, 2007 22:01:47 GMT -5
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Post by dperkins on May 7, 2007 22:02:13 GMT -5
Uhhmm she is not going away even if the song flops/underperforms/whateva. Lets just give the song more time please. Yeah, definately! I HOPE she doesn't go away. Its all about timing though and the next single, if this one flops.
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Post by Bluesy on May 7, 2007 22:02:17 GMT -5
Either way saying that Kelly thinks everything she touches becomes gold is stupid. Kelly never says that. But are right that just because she if a Carrie fan doesnt mean she hates Kelly although the chances are high.So, in turn I could basically say that just because you are Kelly fan chances are high that hate Carrie then, right?? Or does it only work one way?? Don't mean to answer for someone else, but it works both ways. However. Carriefan made some startlingly nasty and unfounded assumptions about Kelly -- and then stated them as fact. I think that it's fair game to call someone's motives into question when they behave that way.
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Post by Peach on May 7, 2007 22:03:27 GMT -5
lmao. I love this thread!
*gets popcorn*
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Post by dperkins on May 7, 2007 22:04:32 GMT -5
So, in turn I could basically say that just because you are Kelly fan chances are high that hate Carrie then, right?? Or does it only work one way?? Don't mean to answer for someone else, but it works both ways. However. Carriefan made some startlingly nasty and unfounded assumptions about Kelly -- and then stated them as fact. I think that it's fair game to call someone's motives into question when they behave that way. I understand that, but you emphasized CARRIE in her name like just because she was a Carrie fan meant she wasn't a Kelly fan. If you look at my siggy it has my top 5 in it. You will see Kelly is at #2 and Carrie is at #4! I like Carrie, does that mean I hate Kelly too?? You brought Carrie into this when she wasn't even mentioned. Couldn't you just leave her out of it??
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Post by Bluesy on May 7, 2007 22:05:39 GMT -5
There's no "hate" involved. Just MY opinion -- calling it as I see it. "Hate" is thrown around too much here to shut people down who don't go with the flow. Nor did I say she was "attacking" Kelly. Instead, I questioned why she made the presumptions she did -- made presumptions and stated them as fact, not even opinion. And I questioned whether being a Carrie fan might have something to do with it. Is that too hard to follow? No, but the way you said it, emphasizing CARRIE in her name and everything and basically stating that you didn't believe she liked Kelly and whatnot isn't needed either. It was rude and disrespectful. And I think it's rude and disrespectful for someone to call another person "pretentious," and say they think everything they touch turns to gold, all without a shred of evidence that this is true. I do not think it's rude or disrespectful to stand up for somone (Kelly) who isn't in a position to fight such nonsense.
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Post by pyrates on May 7, 2007 22:07:02 GMT -5
Could we please stop the fanwar bullshit, on both sides?
But, this I agree with:
But not this:
Sorry, but if you think someone is trolling, pm a mod, or pm the poster. But turning the thread into a fanwar, serves no one.
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Post by dperkins on May 7, 2007 22:07:51 GMT -5
No, but the way you said it, emphasizing CARRIE in her name and everything and basically stating that you didn't believe she liked Kelly and whatnot isn't needed either. It was rude and disrespectful. And I think it's rude and disrespectful for someone to call another person "pretentious," and say they think everything they touch turns to gold, all without a shred of evidence that this is true. I do not think it's rude or disrespectful to stand up for somone (Kelly) who isn't in a position to fight such nonsense. It isn't rude and disrespectful to stand up for Kelly. Its rude and disrespectful to knock down another poster in the process. You didn't have to say it so rude and nasty. And just because she was disrespectful doesn't mean you have to be too.
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Post by Patches on May 7, 2007 22:08:13 GMT -5
OMG Kelly doesnt need you to fight for her...how bout gifting Never Again on itunes or go request it!!!
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Post by Bluesy on May 7, 2007 22:09:43 GMT -5
Don't mean to answer for someone else, but it works both ways. However. Carriefan made some startlingly nasty and unfounded assumptions about Kelly -- and then stated them as fact. I think that it's fair game to call someone's motives into question when they behave that way. I understand that, but you emphasized CARRIE in her name like just because she was a Carrie fan meant she wasn't a Kelly fan. If you look at my siggy it has my top 5 in it. You will see Kelly is at #2 and Carrie is at #4! I like Carrie, does that mean I hate Kelly too?? You brought Carrie into this when she wasn't even mentioned. Couldn't you just leave her out of it?? I didn't bring Carrie into anything. But when someone bills themselves as a fan of one artist and manages to make up stuff about another artist, then questioning motives is certainly fair game. Or do we just play patty cake around here, all pretending that people only post negative stuff on this board out of the purest goodness of their hearts?
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Post by pyrates on May 7, 2007 22:10:04 GMT -5
Yeah, that! :) Haha! I like your idea!!
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Post by Bluesy on May 7, 2007 22:11:02 GMT -5
OMG Kelly doesnt need you to fight for her...how bout gifting Never Again on itunes or go request it!!! It's not a question of Kelly needing me or anyone else to fight for her. I just don't like being taken for a fool.
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Post by dperkins on May 7, 2007 22:12:24 GMT -5
I understand that, but you emphasized CARRIE in her name like just because she was a Carrie fan meant she wasn't a Kelly fan. If you look at my siggy it has my top 5 in it. You will see Kelly is at #2 and Carrie is at #4! I like Carrie, does that mean I hate Kelly too?? You brought Carrie into this when she wasn't even mentioned. Couldn't you just leave her out of it?? I didn't bring Carrie into anything. But when someone bills themselves as a fan of one artist and manages to make up stuff about another artist, then questioning motives is certainly fair game. Or do we just play patty cake around here, all pretending that people only post negative stuff on this board out of the purest goodness of their hearts? Oh, so putting emphasis on Carrie isn't bringing Carrie into it?? Carrie has NOTHING to do with why this poster may like or dislike Kelly. It is THEIR opinion, NOT Carrie's. So putting the emphasis on them being a Carrie fan is basically like you are stating that they are "attacking" Kelly just because they like Carrie. Carrie didn't attack Kelly, so leave her out of it please.
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Post by pyrates on May 7, 2007 22:12:49 GMT -5
No, but you can disagree with someone in a more respectful way. I come here to discuss Kelly and other artists, and it's annoying when fanwars disrupt the flow of the conversation. This is NOT a fan board.
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