Kelly Clarkson 'Never Again' (Now on iTunes!)

[4 Minutes to be a Legend]

jenglisbe said:

music4aw said:

For those running around this board yapping about 'Never Again' being a "flop," just remember that Pop airplay is only one measure.

It's funny how Kelly fans were all praising her as the queen of Top 40, and now that she's flopping there, it's suddenly, "Pop is only one measure."

:applause:

Thank you! Thank you....they gaver her that title way too early. One album that does really good with its singles doesn't automatically make her the queen of top 40. Out of all these females, Christina Aguilera is the only one so far to score top ten hits from every album. She's the most steady...therefore...she is STILL the Queen of Top 40.

That would be like the Fergie fans calling Fergie the Queen of Top 40. She's the queen with this era...but will she have this same success in the future?

[4 Minutes to be a Legend]

popmusicaddict said:

legendtina1 said:

Her two 'flops' from thankful aren't really flops. She wasn't an established artist to have 'flops' back then. Any airplay from her 1st album was good airplay. That would be like saying Sean Kingstons 'Beautiful Girls' is a flop if it only peaked at #23. Sorry, but that would be a hit. From an artists second album and onwards...anything that underperforms can be called a 'flop'. Prior to that, it's just 'underperformed'.

So with that, 'Never Again' is Kellys first flop. Huge expectations for it, and a lot of investments. 'Low' and 'The Trouble With Love' is did not have huge expectations.

For her to get fed up enough to switch labels and get rid of E19 management and label its enough to warrant those flops. First album from the first ever American Idol, breaking the Beatles all time record with "A Moment Like This" , that first single even creeping into top 10 pop airplay and top 5 AC airplay. Then the ultra radio smash "Miss Indepedent", which is still her second longest reigning #1 on US radio. After those I'd definately call TTWLI and Low flops. All Kelly fans admit and call them flops too..no reason to defend that man.. she has 3 flops. 2 huge hits off the first one, 2 misses, 5 big hits off the second one, 0 misses.

So you call 'Low' a flop which peaked at #16 on Top 40, yet still haven't called 'Never Again' a flop which didn't even go top 20?

[justfloating]

Dear LegendTina.
Lately, I've been noticing more than obsessive behavior here in this thread and it's time to address it. No more running from your fears or insecurities. I know something must be going on in your life to drive you to come here and post so constantly about someone's fans who you clearly don't agree with. Some may call you hastily a "hater" or a "loser" or someone who needs to "get a life", but that's not what I'm here for. I'm here to help you, find that person hidden behind the legend in your avatar.
I'm not completely sure what triggers this kind of behavior, but this pattern is interesting me deeply because I hate to see people suffer like you clearly are; searching for the person who agrees with you on a negative point. It would be too easy to dismiss you as a hater because I realize you just must be alone, and lonely.
Your persistent postings suggest that you are pleading for acceptance in society and perhaps the problems go deeper. Regardless, I dont want to get into the details here; I realize it may be personal. Please don't hesitate to PM me to discuss the issues that have led to this eratic behavior, it's just not healthy.

A concerned observer,
Debbie.
PS. Thanks so much for editing the post instead of double posting.

[Jennifa]

legendtina1 said:

jenglisbe said:

It's funny how Kelly fans were all praising her as the queen of Top 40, and now that she's flopping there, it's suddenly, "Pop is only one measure."

:applause:

Thank you! Thank you....they gaver her that title way too early. One album that does really good with its singles doesn't automatically make her the queen of top 40. Out of all these females, Christina Aguilera is the only one so far to score top ten hits from every album. She's the most steady...therefore...she is STILL the Queen of Top 40.

That would be like the Fergie fans calling Fergie the Queen of Top 40. She's the queen with this era...but will she have this same success in the future?

What about Tranvil? She's had Top 10s with all 3 of her albums and she's gonna get more this era. After Kelly is done with this era, she'll be ahead of Crustina too.

I think that Yolanda is easily the biggest female at radio in the past 10 years though.

[Jennifa]

justfloating said:

Dear LegendTina.
Lately, I've been noticing more than obsessive behavior here in this thread and it's time to address it. No more running from your fears or insecurities. I know something must be going on in your life to drive you to come here and post so constantly about someone's fans who you clearly don't agree with. Some may call you hastily a "hater" or a "loser" or someone who needs to "get a life", but that's not what I'm here for. I'm here to help you, find that person hidden behind the legend in your avatar.
I'm not completely sure what triggers this kind of behavior, but this pattern is interesting me deeply because I hate to see people suffer like you clearly are; searching for the person who agrees with you on a negative point. It would be too easy to dismiss you as a hater because I realize you just must be alone, and lonely.
Your persistent postings suggest that you are pleading for acceptance in society and perhaps the problems go deeper. Regardless, I dont want to get into the details here; I realize it may be personal. Please don't hesitate to PM me to discuss the issues that have led to this eratic behavior, it's just not healthy.

A concerned observer,
Debbie.
PS. Thanks so much for editing the post instead of double posting.

lmao. I LOVE YOU

[JORDAN]

justfloating said:

Dear LegendTina.
Lately, I've been noticing more than obsessive behavior here in this thread and it's time to address it. No more running from your fears or insecurities. I know something must be going on in your life to drive you to come here and post so constantly about someone's fans who you clearly don't agree with. Some may call you hastily a "hater" or a "loser" or someone who needs to "get a life", but that's not what I'm here for. I'm here to help you, find that person hidden behind the legend in your avatar.
I'm not completely sure what triggers this kind of behavior, but this pattern is interesting me deeply because I hate to see people suffer like you clearly are; searching for the person who agrees with you on a negative point. It would be too easy to dismiss you as a hater because I realize you just must be alone, and lonely.
Your persistent postings suggest that you are pleading for acceptance in society and perhaps the problems go deeper. Regardless, I dont want to get into the details here; I realize it may be personal. Please don't hesitate to PM me to discuss the issues that have led to this eratic behavior, it's just not healthy.

A concerned observer,
Debbie.
PS. Thanks so much for editing the post instead of double posting.

*DEAD*
Debbie your such a smarty b!tch! Love it

[popmusicaddict]

legendtina1 said:

jenglisbe said:

It's funny how Kelly fans were all praising her as the queen of Top 40, and now that she's flopping there, it's suddenly, "Pop is only one measure."

:applause:

Thank you! Thank you....they gaver her that title way too early. One album that does really good with its singles doesn't automatically make her the queen of top 40. Out of all these females, Christina Aguilera is the only one so far to score top ten hits from every album. She's the most steady...therefore...she is STILL the Queen of Top 40.

That would be like the Fergie fans calling Fergie the Queen of Top 40. She's the queen with this era...but will she have this same success in the future?

One Album? Way to ignore the Thankful Era! *applause*

Aren't YOU the one who posted from 1996 to 2006 that Kelly had Christina both had 2k inverse points from all their singles? (which likely since Aguilera's album will end with 4 singles, Kelly will gain #1 there too). Kinda really high in the top 40 department FOR A DECADE SPAN next to the 'legend' for *one album* eh?

Hmmm? From your own thread, have a nice day!
pulsemusic.proboards48.com/index.cgi?board=pop&action=display&thread=1178487349&page=1

and debbie hilarious as usual lmao!
EDIT: Lol Dirrty just came on the radio

[popmusicaddict]

missclarkson said:

popmusicaddict said:

Yep, and all Kelly fans have no problem calling em that.

now they dont have problem calling low and ttwli flops, but back then you would have been killed. i got banned from KCE for calling those 2 flops ...
maybe 2 years from now the fans would finally accept that NA was a huge airplay flop.
but deep down inside, im still hoping NA would somehow get a 2nd wind .. which is unlikely at this point

EDIT: Dirrty just came on the radio lol.

i agree! use AI performance to debut a new single, also unlikely to happen though

LOL! Well good thing I wasn't a fan till the Breakaway era then heh jez. I liked those songs but they were huge flops coming off from the #1 seller AMLT and the #1 radio hit Miss Independent.

Lol @ the 2 year thing, I know what you mean..but fans are already accepting this as a flop - but the thing is forget 2 years, this single hasn't even been out 2 months!! That's why I'm still not throwing the flop card at it. Yes missclarkson, deep inside I'm still looking for a second wind too, obviously

[pyrates]

justfloating said:

Dear LegendTina.
Lately, I've been noticing more than obsessive behavior here in this thread and it's time to address it. No more running from your fears or insecurities. I know something must be going on in your life to drive you to come here and post so constantly about someone's fans who you clearly don't agree with. Some may call you hastily a "hater" or a "loser" or someone who needs to "get a life", but that's not what I'm here for. I'm here to help you, find that person hidden behind the legend in your avatar.
I'm not completely sure what triggers this kind of behavior, but this pattern is interesting me deeply because I hate to see people suffer like you clearly are; searching for the person who agrees with you on a negative point. It would be too easy to dismiss you as a hater because I realize you just must be alone, and lonely.
Your persistent postings suggest that you are pleading for acceptance in society and perhaps the problems go deeper. Regardless, I dont want to get into the details here; I realize it may be personal. Please don't hesitate to PM me to discuss the issues that have led to this eratic behavior, it's just not healthy.

A concerned observer,
Debbie.
PS. Thanks so much for editing the post instead of double posting.

Call me debbie rocks. That is all.

[itsbeenaweek]

lmfao @ jenglisbe and Debbie's posts. Love em'.

[neally]

justfloating said:

Dear LegendTina.
Lately, I've been noticing more than obsessive behavior here in this thread and it's time to address it. No more running from your fears or insecurities. I know something must be going on in your life to drive you to come here and post so constantly about someone's fans who you clearly don't agree with. Some may call you hastily a "hater" or a "loser" or someone who needs to "get a life", but that's not what I'm here for. I'm here to help you, find that person hidden behind the legend in your avatar.
I'm not completely sure what triggers this kind of behavior, but this pattern is interesting me deeply because I hate to see people suffer like you clearly are; searching for the person who agrees with you on a negative point. It would be too easy to dismiss you as a hater because I realize you just must be alone, and lonely.
Your persistent postings suggest that you are pleading for acceptance in society and perhaps the problems go deeper. Regardless, I dont want to get into the details here; I realize it may be personal. Please don't hesitate to PM me to discuss the issues that have led to this eratic behavior, it's just not healthy.

A concerned observer,
Debbie.
PS. Thanks so much for editing the post instead of double posting.

LMAO- this is sig-worthy material !!! ;)

[SILENCE]

Thank you! Thank you....they gaver her that title way too early.

actually RADIO and the media in general gave Kelly the title during the Breakaway era...the fans just liked it and started using it too.

You know I never tracked Kelly's singles during the Thankful era so I can't speak of the chart runs of Low or TTWLI but I do know they performed far below expectations after the smash that MI was....

NA is performing below the expectations I had for it but that doesn't mean I think the song is a flop. To me a flop is a song that doesn't reach the top 40 chart. That as far as I know, from years of listening to AT40 and following other charts is the measure of a hit. Once a song hits the top 40 on radio it used to be considered a hit..... now it has to go top 10 or better or it's a flop? in what world can an artist release song after song that goes top 10? by that standard EVERY artist is one song away from a flop and some have multiple flops to their credit.

as for those who are "kickin" the Kelly fans while they are down...did anyone expect different? really? A LOT of them saw our celebrations of Kelly's singles rocketing to the top of the charts during breakaway as gloating. They took it as us rubbing their faces in her success so of course they are just beside themselves with glee at the "idea" of Kelly failing at something, anything...even if they have to manufacture a "flop" out of the thinnest of straws.

personally I'm not down at all. This song didn't do what I hoped it would but at the end of the day I still love this song so what it does or doesn't do on radio makes no difference to me.

[marylou]

Hey Debbie, the greatest psychologist and sociologist. No need to overanalyze people's behavior in this thread. What is going on in here is no different from other sites. And people who happily applaud your post also suffer in endless searching for the person who agrees with them on a positive point. Luckily for them, they found one in you.

[colson]

justfloating said:

Dear LegendTina.
Lately, I've been noticing more than obsessive behavior here in this thread and it's time to address it. No more running from your fears or insecurities. I know something must be going on in your life to drive you to come here and post so constantly about someone's fans who you clearly don't agree with. Some may call you hastily a "hater" or a "loser" or someone who needs to "get a life", but that's not what I'm here for. I'm here to help you, find that person hidden behind the legend in your avatar.
I'm not completely sure what triggers this kind of behavior, but this pattern is interesting me deeply because I hate to see people suffer like you clearly are; searching for the person who agrees with you on a negative point. It would be too easy to dismiss you as a hater because I realize you just must be alone, and lonely.
Your persistent postings suggest that you are pleading for acceptance in society and perhaps the problems go deeper. Regardless, I dont want to get into the details here; I realize it may be personal. Please don't hesitate to PM me to discuss the issues that have led to this eratic behavior, it's just not healthy.

A concerned observer,
Debbie.
PS. Thanks so much for editing the post instead of double posting.

I love that post!!!!

[SILENCE]

Hey Debbie, the greatest psychologist and sociologist. No need to overanalyze people's behavior in this thread. What is going on in here is no different from other sites. And people who happily applaud your post also suffer in endless searching for the person who agrees with them on a positive point. Luckily for them, they found one in you.

I agree. Funny that Debbie called me immature the other day for "scoffing" at another posters feigned "surprise" at the poor performance of this song yet here she is offering some form of psycho babble towards someone she thinks shouldn't be posting their opinions... interesting how that works isn't it?

[justfloating]

Oh, lighten up. I was only making light of a hostile thread. I wrote the post as a joke to show that some people are taking things here way too seriously and some people are just wasting time trying to force an opinion on other people.

The thread is serious enough, I was only making a joke because people forget while this is discussion it should be fun, not a battle between people. If you couldnt tell it was a joke, Im sorry for your lack of sense of humour.

The thread was written as a way to say "Hey, you've made your point and argued, but what's the point of arguing a mute point?"

I dont think my post was out of line, it was only a joke. No, I dont think I have some authority to be a psychologist or sociologist.

It takes maturity to deliver a satirical post about an ongoing issue without flipping out. Thats the difference. I maintain my personality and maturity where the immature lose control of who they are.

I have no problem with someone who wants to post their opinions as long as I can post mine. If my opinion is that they shouldnt post their opinion on an something that keeps getting brought up, Im still entitled to that. Funny how that works isnt it? Its like a circle, as is life.

I dont have the time or patience to deal with nonsense, and I know I handled myself well. I could screamed and starting throwing around insults and comparisons to other artists, but I didn't.

Myreflection, please feel free to PM me if you want...
just kidding.
Debbie.

[mugshot]

Call me Debbie is being a major hypocrite. Whatever.

[justfloating]

How am I being a hypocrite? By trying to make light of a tense thread? By trying to get people to realize that it's only a discussion, not a matter of life and death?

Dont throw out names and not back it up with some facts. You won't find any. If I say Im a hypocrite, would I no longer be a hypocrite? Dont hurt yourself thinking about that one.

Again, it was a joke. Telling a joke is only hypocritical if I scolded someone for telling a joke. Which I havent so Debbie is not a hypocrite, sorry.

[orchbellzbab]

bringing this over from the express... the official HQ

[justfloating]

That album cover is absolutely STUNNING! The best of 2007 without a doubt. One of my favorites from this decade for sure.

[mugshot]

justfloating said:

How am I being a hypocrite? By trying to make light of a tense thread? By trying to get people to realize that it's only a discussion, not a matter of life and death?

Dont throw out names and not back it up with some facts. You won't find any. If I say Im a hypocrite, would I no longer be a hypocrite? Dont hurt yourself thinking about that one.

Again, it was a joke. Telling a joke is only hypocritical if I scolded someone for telling a joke. Which I havent so Debbie is not a hypocrite, sorry.

Bullshit.

[orchbellzbab]

and also, i love you call me debbie, lol. I never post, I just read here occasionally (im from the KCE)... and, uh. Definitely spot on.

[justfloating]

mugshot said:

justfloating said:

How am I being a hypocrite? By trying to make light of a tense thread? By trying to get people to realize that it's only a discussion, not a matter of life and death?

Dont throw out names and not back it up with some facts. You won't find any. If I say Im a hypocrite, would I no longer be a hypocrite? Dont hurt yourself thinking about that one.

Again, it was a joke. Telling a joke is only hypocritical if I scolded someone for telling a joke. Which I havent so Debbie is not a hypocrite, sorry.

Bulls**t.

No real, intelligent response? I didn't think so. you're someone who hides behind words you think are powerful, but they are hollow. If you have a case, prove it. PM me to talk about it because if I've done something wrong, I want to hear about it.

Anyways, I cant see this on a full rebound but think this has performed well through everything. Its steady if anything and thats always good and always gives it a chance. Im really hoping for Sober next as well with a dramatic video. Oh, that would be dynamite

[filomena123]

myreflection said:

as for those who are "kickin" the Kelly fans while they are down...did anyone expect different?

Did you? :o Take a look at what Kelly fans, including yourself, have been posting in other artists' threads until the mods put a stop to it.

[justfloating]

Yea, duh people, 2 wrongs make a right.

[mugshot]

justfloating said:

mugshot said:

Bulls**t.

No real, intelligent response? I didn't think so. you're someone who hides behind words you think are powerful, but they are hollow. If you have a case, prove it. PM me to talk about it because if I've done something wrong, I want to hear about it.

Anyways, I cant see this on a full rebound but think this has performed well through everything. Its steady if anything and thats always good and always gives it a chance. Im really hoping for Sober next as well with a dramatic video. Oh, that would be dynamite

PMed you.

[GiggaWho]

Stop taking swipes at each other and discuss the song, please. And, also, it would be great if everyone would lighten up a bit and stop taking things so personally. No one here is Kelly Clarkson (that we know of). It's not life or death here, folks. If someone wants to believe this song was a hit, that's their prerogative. If someone wants to believe it was the flop of the year, same thing. Discuss things like reasonable adults. Don't try to bully everyone else into your opinion, regardless of what side of the line you fall on. Is that really that hard?

[orchbellzbab]

simon has heard my december i guess...

Simon Cowell......
On Kelly Clarkson's New Record
Kelly Clarkson is not an artist who's in it for the money. She has a lot of integrity and this is a record she wanted to make. And I admire her for that. ... It's not as commercial as her last record, but any Kelly Clarkson record at the moment is a pretty good record compared to the competition because she's an incredible artist.

[Focus]

Wow Simon! What's gotten into you.

[un4gitible]

Haha, looks like Simon was crabby with Kelly gone and all it took was him being in her singing presence for him to be won back over heh

I thought Low peaked at #12 on POP? Hey, I'm one of the few that didn't think Low was a flop. Compared to MI, well, DUH, but then again there's only a small # of songs that can make it to #1.

As far as I'm concerned, Kelly can keep her Queen of POP tiara for a bit longer heh I mean, isn't the Queen still called The Queen once she steps down from the throne (like the U.S. Presidents are STILL presidents even after they leave office?). Kelly earned the Queen of Pop title (which, btw, was bestowed on her by the media and NOT the fans) and as far as I'm concerned .....

Long live the Queen heh

Anywho - upthread the importance of POP was questioned. IMO, it is THE most important format if only due to the massive audience it reaches. Heck, even a song that only makes it to #20 on that chart has reached an audience that it would take reaching the top 10 (or even the top 5) on many other formats.

But hey, a #1 still reads a #1 in the press, awards and stats so I say format be damned. Getting a #1 is quite impressive no matter WHAT format you do it in.