dionysus
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Post by dionysus on May 21, 2007 7:57:29 GMT -5
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Kelly Clarkson , Never Again
Date / Spins To Date / Aud.(M) May 20/ 25,486 / 26.150 May 19/ 24,678 / 26.607 May 18/ 23,941 / 27.282 May 17/ 23,230 / 27.991 May 16/ 22,462 / 28.423 May 15/ 21,697 / 28.816 May 14/ 20,900 / 28.987
May 13/ 20,108 / 29.164 May 12/ 19,254 / 28.964 May 11/ 18,424 / 28.985 May 10/ 17,659 / 29.072 May 9 / 16,842 / 28.956 May 8 / 15,998 / 28.666 May 7 / 15,011 / 27.982
May 6 / 14,432 / 28.010 May 5 / 13,726 / 27.630 May 4 / 12,928 / 27.062 May 3 / 12,195 / 26.610 May 2 / 11,428 / 26.347 May 1 / 10,645 / 25.753 Apr 30 / 9,876 / 25.284
Apr 29 / 9,167 / 30.018 Apr 28 / 8,418 / 28.743 Apr 27 / 7,643 / 27.950 Apr 26 / 7,004 / 27.365 Apr 25 / 6,312 / 26.934 Apr 24 / 5,625 / 26.325 Apr 23 / 4,991 / 25.702 Apr 22 / 4,387 / 25.455 Apr 21 / 3,908 / 24.634
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4 Minutes to be a Legend
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Post by 4 Minutes to be a Legend on May 21, 2007 9:50:40 GMT -5
-300 bullet now
By the time she performs this on AI her bullet will be in the -400/-500 area. There is no way a song falling that much can have a second run. You guys should just put a fork in it. It's okay...Kelly had a flop. It's not a big deal. Christina, Beyonce, Gwen, Nelly Furtado, Pink, Avril Lavigne, Britney Spears, Mariah Carey, Madonna, Whitney Houston, and every single female has had a FLOP single. Why is it so hard for the Kelly fans to accept this? Don't find ways around it and try to make it look like a hit. Just accept.
Trust me, i had a very difficult time accepting that 'Dirrty' and 'Candyman' flopped. But you do it, and you move on. You'll get used to it in the future. First flops are always the hardest for fans.
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Post by Rose "Payola" Nylund on May 21, 2007 9:52:38 GMT -5
Maybe it's the fact that people have to keep mentioning it flopped that gets the fans so riled up? I mean, yeah, it didn't do well but to continuously rub it in? I'll have to side with the fans on this one.
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Post by desertflower on May 21, 2007 10:09:00 GMT -5
You must not live in the same Universe as I do. Kelly has been all over the Media talking about the Single and her Album...she has a video out...lots of radio interviews....she has sung the song on lots of TV Shows. I really don't know what else she could do to promote it anymore than she already had. It was added to most of the CHR Stations. At one time it had a bullet of 1700...the song just didn't connect to the average listener.....or else RCA isn't supporting it. Most Artists would kill for the type of promo that Never Again has gotten.
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Post by eljefro on May 21, 2007 10:37:43 GMT -5
I don't think she'll perform this on AI...or maybe she will...I guess they sill want digi sales.
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Post by Bunifa Latifah Jackson on May 21, 2007 10:54:03 GMT -5
She better use her AI performance to launch her NEXT single This song is dead and over, so why keep pushing a dead horse? All eyes are now on the second single and she better just forget NA and go for the new one like PRONTO. DEAD @ the bullet.
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Post by un4gitible on May 21, 2007 10:55:47 GMT -5
If the song had continued on it's tear up the charts all the way to #1 people (many of the same that are now saying FLOP OMG FLOP) would be posting over and over about payola and overexposure.
But, of course, now that it's peaked as a middle of the pack song (because, yes, I do think it's peaked, unfortunately) it's ALL because people don't like enough hahah
There has to be some middle road here - it looks to me like most people liked it ok. Didn't love it, but liked it ok, taking it to an OK status on radio.
Thing is, the average radio listener doesn't obsess over charts so when they hear a song on their local radio station every 2 to 3 hours, they will think the song is doing great cuz, well, they hear it alot. And hey, there's little to no chance of burnout or overexposure, right? ;)
Promo HAS been good - no complaints here. And I can't wait to see her on idol. I SO hope she sings NA :)
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Post by Patches on May 21, 2007 11:08:44 GMT -5
I would promote the new single or NA, she better not breakout Walkaway.
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Post by pyrates on May 21, 2007 11:22:03 GMT -5
I think Kelly's gotten a decent amount of promo. My only complaint is about the release date. First there was no release date, then it was July, and finally June 26th. So sometimes there's no date mentioned in the promos or the wrong date. And very few of the interviews has the right date, since a lot of it was pre-recorded before the date change.
And RCA still has not released a press release with the date change. (At least I don't think they have.)
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4 Minutes to be a Legend
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Post by 4 Minutes to be a Legend on May 21, 2007 11:31:13 GMT -5
Yeah RCA promotes Kelly like hell! I used to always think that they were a suckly record label because they were always lazy with Christina. But then i saw how they promoted Kelly and Avril and i have come to the conclusion that it's not the record label. They know what they are doing. Christina is the one that is lazy. Her legend ass is too good for promo, and it pisses me off.
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Post by pyrates on May 21, 2007 11:34:48 GMT -5
I'm not exactly sure what the division of labor is between RCA and The Firm, but I thought it was The Firm that scheduled a lot of the promo stuff for Kelly, not RCA.
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Post by Jamie on May 21, 2007 11:39:30 GMT -5
I can see her singing NA on Idol to help with digital sales (since she won't be the only performer they won't increase a whole lot, but it definitely won't hurt them), but I think she should just come out with a new single honestly. Idol can help but I don't think it's enough to turn this song around on radio. They should take the opportunity they have to unleash a new song on the #1 TV show.
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Post by Patches on May 21, 2007 11:54:50 GMT -5
It could be too violent for AI
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Post by zipper on May 21, 2007 12:12:50 GMT -5
I just didn't believe this song. If she wants to sound hard, she's going to have be a bit more edgy with her lyrics.
I hope she has a good single on the album.
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Post by Jennifa on May 21, 2007 12:15:40 GMT -5
I wonder what excuse popmusicaddict will have today.
The bullet WILL be -1000 in no time.
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Post by Patches on May 21, 2007 12:42:49 GMT -5
lmao...time to update his fug avi ;).
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Post by muscleclub on May 21, 2007 12:49:02 GMT -5
Popmusicaddict's other girl (Floplanda) is with a -1000 plus bullet too so be nice to him.
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Post by popmusicaddict on May 21, 2007 13:05:00 GMT -5
Bah no hatin! I don't need to have excuses, lets just wait to see what happens after AI or if she even preforms NA. Its still only a month old, I can't see her preforming it on all her shows last week having a blast then just switch it up for Idol. If that would be the case it wouldn't be RCA's or her idea, it would be because of Idol. Thanks Theo, and its Beekira! I don't like Beyonce as much as Jen anyway so lol, I prefer Shakira. And no thank you on changing my 'fug' avi, you know you love it besides 1 flop doesn't take her thrown away! The numbers dont lie ;) The next one will be a hit if this one wont be, bank on that! Like I said its a pretty common trend with ALL the big female artists for them to save the 'smash' hit on the record and not release it first.
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Post by OUcultjam on May 21, 2007 13:10:28 GMT -5
Maybe it's the fact that people have to keep mentioning it flopped that gets the fans so riled up? I mean, yeah, it didn't do well but to continuously rub it in? I'll have to side with the fans on this one. Yep, "kick 'em while they're down," right? It's pretty sad. Don't they have better things to do? I know I do. I don't want to use the word "jealousy," but I think a lot of fans of other artists on this board are happy to see Kelly fail at something after her success during the past two years, especially if their artist is doing better at the moment.
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Post by popmusicaddict on May 21, 2007 13:18:45 GMT -5
Maybe it's the fact that people have to keep mentioning it flopped that gets the fans so riled up? I mean, yeah, it didn't do well but to continuously rub it in? I'll have to side with the fans on this one. Yep, "kick 'em while they're down," right? It's pretty sad. Don't they have better things to do? I know I do. I don't want to use the word "jealousy," but I think a lot of fans of other artists on this board are happy to see Kelly fail at something after her success during the past two years, especially if their artist is doing better at the moment. Yah exactly what I been saying about the 'kick em when their down' method, and thanks eyeMax for the back, but you can't blame 'some' of them. Kelly's success with Breakaway was overwhelming, not a single flop - so in a way I agree with 'some' of the people (the ones that are honest instead of trolling or hating). Breakaway sufficated the pop charts, its just natural reaction that people would be tired of Kelly farting out hits, especially if she were to take a risk, switch it up and still get #1. But on another side at LEAST she switched it up! I bet you there woulda been MORE haters if she would have released SUBGv25 instead of something totally different sounding and went to #1. They probably wouldn't even want to hear the rest of the album, at least this way it has general interested (and even tons of controversy!). So I rather the whole album itself have a buzz than just one song that wasn't even suppose to make it on the album. On the other hand people act like this is her first flop or like 'YES she finally flopped!!' totally forgetting about that she already has in her Idol days with 2 flops from Thankful. There are mixed emotions everywhere..
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Post by 4 Minutes to be a Legend on May 21, 2007 13:23:30 GMT -5
Her two 'flops' from thankful aren't really flops. She wasn't an established artist to have 'flops' back then. Any airplay from her 1st album was good airplay. That would be like saying Sean Kingstons 'Beautiful Girls' is a flop if it only peaked at #23. Sorry, but that would be a hit. From an artists second album and onwards...anything that underperforms can be called a 'flop'. Prior to that, it's just 'underperformed'.
So with that, 'Never Again' is Kellys first flop. Huge expectations for it, and a lot of investments. 'Low' and 'The Trouble With Love' is did not have huge expectations.
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Post by popmusicaddict on May 21, 2007 13:26:58 GMT -5
Her two 'flops' from thankful aren't really flops. She wasn't an established artist to have 'flops' back then. Any airplay from her 1st album was good airplay. That would be like saying Sean Kingstons 'Beautiful Girls' is a flop if it only peaked at #23. Sorry, but that would be a hit. From an artists second album and onwards...anything that underperforms can be called a 'flop'. Prior to that, it's just 'underperformed'. So with that, 'Never Again' is Kellys first flop. Huge expectations for it, and a lot of investments. 'Low' and 'The Trouble With Love' is did not have huge expectations. For her to get fed up enough to switch labels and get rid of E19 management and label its enough to warrant those flops. First album from the first ever American Idol, breaking the Beatles all time record with "A Moment Like This" , that first single even creeping into top 10 pop airplay and top 5 AC airplay. Then the ultra radio smash "Miss Indepedent", which is still her second longest reigning #1 on US radio. After those I'd definately call TTWLI and Low flops. All Kelly fans admit and call them flops too..no reason to defend that man.. she has 3 flops. 2 huge hits off the first one, 2 misses, 5 big hits off the second one, 0 misses.
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Post by pyrates on May 21, 2007 13:27:34 GMT -5
Actually considering that A Moment Like This and Miss Independent both got decent airplay, I'd say Low and TTWL were flops.
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Post by popmusicaddict on May 21, 2007 13:29:21 GMT -5
Actually considering that A Moment Like This and Miss Independent both got decent airplay, I'd say Low and TTWL were flops. Yep, and all Kelly fans have no problem calling em that.
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Post by Patches on May 21, 2007 13:29:45 GMT -5
. And no thank you on changing my 'fug' avi, you know you love it LMAO...I updated from my so-called granny pic of Kelly to a less controversial Britney working them flowers in rehab. :)
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Post by popmusicaddict on May 21, 2007 13:30:37 GMT -5
. And no thank you on changing my 'fug' avi, you know you love it LMAO...I updated from my so-called granny pic of Kelly to a less controversial Britney working them flowers in rehab. :) Yah I noticed lol, hilarious. Btw I changed the avi ...nope still parading Blender Kelly on her throne but its not granny fugged now lol, special thanks to OUcultjam! On to Idol! Jordin all the way, Never Again all the way!!
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Post by missclarkson on May 21, 2007 16:10:30 GMT -5
Actually considering that A Moment Like This and Miss Independent both got decent airplay, I'd say Low and TTWL were flops. Yep, and all Kelly fans have no problem calling em that. now they dont have problem calling low and ttwli flops, but back then you would have been killed. i got banned from KCE for calling those 2 flops ... maybe 2 years from now the fans would finally accept that NA was a huge airplay flop. but deep down inside, im still hoping NA would somehow get a 2nd wind .. which is unlikely at this point i agree! use AI performance to debut a new single, also unlikely to happen though
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Post by jenglisbe on May 21, 2007 16:31:36 GMT -5
For those running around this board yapping about 'Never Again' being a "flop," just remember that Pop airplay is only one measure. It's funny how Kelly fans were all praising her as the queen of Top 40, and now that she's flopping there, it's suddenly, "Pop is only one measure."
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Post by JamaicaFunk² on May 21, 2007 16:34:08 GMT -5
she was the queen of top 40... i wouldn't say "pop is only one measure," but i would say that THIS SONG is only one measure. it's one song.
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Post by justfloating on May 21, 2007 16:43:18 GMT -5
^yea, but it works on more than one format. thats what they mean by measure.
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