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Post by jmac on Apr 29, 2009 19:27:52 GMT -5
I'm going to have to disagree with you guys. I think this will sell around the same as AI, give or take 1 million. I don't think this is nearly as political as AI, and they are still the biggest band in the world. We'll see, but I think this album will be huge.
On a side note, Rolling Stone gave the album a 4.5/5 (AI got a 3.5/5) and they called it their best album yet.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 29, 2009 19:50:58 GMT -5
This song is awesome. Been really slacking lately with my new tunes, and just heard this a few days ago, and I love it.
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Post by Ron57 on Apr 29, 2009 21:28:34 GMT -5
Underclass Hero was the most disappointing thing I have heard from a band in some time. Really? I thought they took a sort of different direction, and did decently well considering they lost their main guitarist. With Me is one of my favorite songs by them, and the album felt like a sort of mellower continuation of Chuck. Underclass Hero, the song itself sort of feels like a more modern version of Fat Lip. Especially the music video.
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Post by pen on Apr 29, 2009 21:47:47 GMT -5
Underclass Hero was the most disappointing thing I have heard from a band in some time. Really? I thought they took a sort of different direction, and did decently well considering they lost their main guitarist. With Me is one of my favorite songs by them, and the album felt like a sort of mellower continuation of Chuck. Underclass Hero, the song itself sort of feels like a more modern version of Fat Lip. Especially the music video. Here's a laundry list of the things I didn't like about it. 1. It was a totally obvious and poorly-executed throwback to All Killer, which was good for the time, but... 2. Chuck was their best album so far, a more metal-influenced direction, really solid album altogether. Sadly it seems Brownsound was the main reason for that. 3. But it's worse because almost all of the songs on Underclass either rip off Blink, rip off Green Day, rip off other assorted bands (one song sounds like a total "Hate Me" ripoff, actually), and in the case of "Underclass Hero", even themselves. "Underclass Hero" was a b-side from Chuck that used to be way better before they redid it to sound like an All Killer retread. Honestly, I'm chalking it up to a case of Chuck not doing as well as Island wanted and so they made Sum go back to All Killer days. Either that or Brownsound was the only one in the band making smart creative decisions.
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Post by Ron57 on Apr 29, 2009 22:14:11 GMT -5
Really? I thought they took a sort of different direction, and did decently well considering they lost their main guitarist. With Me is one of my favorite songs by them, and the album felt like a sort of mellower continuation of Chuck. Underclass Hero, the song itself sort of feels like a more modern version of Fat Lip. Especially the music video. Here's a laundry list of the things I didn't like about it. 1. It was a totally obvious and poorly-executed throwback to All Killer, which was good for the time, but... 2. Chuck was their best album so far, a more metal-influenced direction, really solid album altogether. Sadly it seems Brownsound was the main reason for that. 3. But it's worse because almost all of the songs on Underclass either rip off Blink, rip off Green Day, rip off other assorted bands (one song sounds like a total "Hate Me" ripoff, actually), and in the case of "Underclass Hero", even themselves. "Underclass Hero" was a b-side from Chuck that used to be way better before they redid it to sound like an All Killer retread. Honestly, I'm chalking it up to a case of Chuck not doing as well as Island wanted and so they made Sum go back to All Killer days. Either that or Brownsound was the only one in the band making smart creative decisions. Yeah I knew about the Chuck B-Side thing, I actually have that version as well. To me though, I'm a huge Blink fan as well as a Green Day. Sum 41 trying to head into their direction, while it may not be original, is still something a hardcore fan like myself can enjoy just as much. I still find that Chuck is their best album, but I thought Underclass Hero was a very well written album, and one of the first where Deryck actually expresses some of his personal feelings. (Except maybe a few off of Chuck). What I like to see in a band is how they can evolve over time and mature. Such as Blink. Their self-titled was a big step up in maturity from any of their other material. In Sum 41's case, the band has been through a lot since Chuck, with Deryck's marriage to Avril, and Brownsound dropping out. With respect for the band, I think they managed to pull it all together and drop a quality album. I'm also excited to hear some new material from them. I do find that they had no right releasing a greatest hits however. Their only really BIG hits were Fat Lip and In Too Deep. Record company's idea though anyway, so it doesn't matter.
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Post by American Idiot on Apr 29, 2009 22:46:49 GMT -5
Really? I thought they took a sort of different direction, and did decently well considering they lost their main guitarist. With Me is one of my favorite songs by them, and the album felt like a sort of mellower continuation of Chuck. Underclass Hero, the song itself sort of feels like a more modern version of Fat Lip. Especially the music video. Here's a laundry list of the things I didn't like about it. 1. It was a totally obvious and poorly-executed throwback to All Killer, which was good for the time, but... 2. Chuck was their best album so far, a more metal-influenced direction, really solid album altogether. Sadly it seems Brownsound was the main reason for that. 3. But it's worse because almost all of the songs on Underclass either rip off Blink, rip off Green Day, rip off other assorted bands (one song sounds like a total "Hate Me" ripoff, actually), and in the case of "Underclass Hero", even themselves. "Underclass Hero" was a b-side from Chuck that used to be way better before they redid it to sound like an All Killer retread. Honestly, I'm chalking it up to a case of Chuck not doing as well as Island wanted and so they made Sum go back to All Killer days. Either that or Brownsound was the only one in the band making smart creative decisions. Amazingly, I have to agree with everything here. I still thought "Underclass Hero" was very good since Sum 41's one of my Top 10 favorite bands, but I agree that "Chuck" blows it out of the water. I'd love it if they could stick to their harder roots even without Dave, but I unfortunately foresee probably an "Underclass Hero" Part II album coming soon.
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Post by pen on Apr 30, 2009 0:41:53 GMT -5
I do find that they had no right releasing a greatest hits however. Their only really BIG hits were Fat Lip and In Too Deep. Record company's idea though anyway, so it doesn't matter. Actually that album was Japan-only but they said "the fans wanted it". Which is probably bullshit, but that's what they said.
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Post by Pipa on Apr 30, 2009 14:17:42 GMT -5
I thought the songs off of "Underclass Hero" fell a little flat, but at least they were better than "We're All To Blame". Sorry guys, but I didn't like that one at all.
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Post by pen on Apr 30, 2009 14:21:42 GMT -5
Album to album, pound for pound, Chuck is better. One song does not an album make.
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Post by weaver on May 1, 2009 21:27:55 GMT -5
Are we talking about Green Day or Sum 41?
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Post by pen on May 1, 2009 21:28:39 GMT -5
They're not the same band?
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Post by PHOBES on May 2, 2009 0:06:06 GMT -5
It's bad enough that ESPN has to play this song during every sportscenter highlight, but every time they play it the stupid SC anchors keep talking about how much they love the song. "I think we need to replay that highlight reel just so I can hear that song again. By the way, that was the new song from Green Day, it's called 'Know Your Enemy.'" "Wow, that song rocks. I don't normally talk about our background music but that new Green Day song is awesome." ESPN payola? Oh ESPN, you're so clever. You must've heard my complaints and decided to tease me. When everyone got sick of KYE on Sportscenter, you continued your Green Day plugging by overplaying "Welcome to Paradise" instead. How sneaky of you...
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Post by American Idiot on May 2, 2009 0:37:09 GMT -5
Screw ESPN and their lack of hockey coverage or carelessness of the sport.
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Post by Nicholas2.0 on May 2, 2009 2:48:14 GMT -5
Screw ESPN and their lack of hockey coverage or carelessness of the sport. My local morning DJ made a very similar gripe the other morning, before having some guy on the texter explain the contractual situation where basketball takes priority, knowledge I would've retained had I known it would've been useful here. Alas, I don't have cable, nor do I care a whole lot about basketball or hockey.
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Post by PHOBES on May 2, 2009 11:54:28 GMT -5
Screw ESPN and their lack of hockey coverage or carelessness of the sport. No joke, all they care about is Ovechkin and Crosby playing in the second round. I don't think they hardly ever mentioned the Hurricanes scoring two goals in the last 48 seconds the other night to beat the Devils 4-3 in game 7.
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Post by American Idiot on May 2, 2009 12:32:45 GMT -5
Screw ESPN and their lack of hockey coverage or carelessness of the sport. No joke, all they care about is Ovechkin and Crosby playing in the second round. I don't think they hardly ever mentioned the Hurricanes scoring two goals in the last 48 seconds the other night to beat the Devils 4-3 in game 7. Exactly. I'm watching the Pens/Caps game right now and NBC is publicizing it like it's the goddamn Super Bowl. As much as I completely despise the Canes (I'm a Panthers fan, so that's basically a gimmie), they deserved to be the top story on Sportscenter that night they won that game. I don't think a single person watching that game thought they'd come back like that and shock the Devils. Anyway, I didn't mean for this to become an NHL discussion and get off-topic, so um yeah Green Day's kicking ass on charts eh?
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Post by pen on May 2, 2009 12:42:15 GMT -5
Yes, you did, don't lie.
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Post by Deleted on May 2, 2009 12:51:47 GMT -5
So when is the album dropping?
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Post by pen on May 2, 2009 12:53:14 GMT -5
So when is the album dropping? Uh. May 15th. I thought that was common knowledge by now.
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Post by sunpeach on May 2, 2009 21:40:11 GMT -5
KYE- it's sort of catchy but the riff is played over and over beating you in the head with it- it needs more variety within the music- it's just "over-kill."
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Post by @DiegoMarcondes_ on May 4, 2009 20:12:09 GMT -5
Here is another b-side from KYE
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Post by Ron57 on May 5, 2009 21:18:30 GMT -5
www.greenday.com/streammp3/player.phpI only listened to like the first 2 minutes of each song, cuz I guess it feels to me like i'm spoiling it for myself if i listen to it all now. xD 21st Century breakdown is definitely sounding better than it did on the demo. Amazing imo. 21 Guns sounds like this album's Wake Me Up When September Ends...I really like it...Chorus is amazing. American Eulogy connects the part after "Sing us a song", It's kind of got an odd intro. But It'll probably grow on me. Before the Lobotomy - Okay at first I thought it'd be another acoustic ballad like 21 guns, but it has a soft into, and picks up to Green Days normal pace, with kind of a triple it sort of feel during the chorus. East Jesus Nowhere - Another great political song. Love the intro. The riff is amazing in this song. Restless Heart - Got some piano in it. and acoustic guitar. I like it. Excited for the full album, but I'm liking what I'm hearing.
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Post by jmac on May 6, 2009 14:27:35 GMT -5
21 Guns is an amazing song. I think it could be their biggest song ever. This album is going to be fantastic.
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Post by Cody on May 6, 2009 15:20:35 GMT -5
oh my god yes, 21 Guns is a masterpiece!
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Post by fran182 on May 6, 2009 15:52:01 GMT -5
Kinda funny that I like all those songs more than I like "Know Your Enemy"!
That has to be a good sign! :)
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Post by Ron57 on May 6, 2009 17:19:01 GMT -5
Kinda funny that I like all those songs more than I like "Know Your Enemy"! That has to be a good sign! :) Same here, lol. I read some interview, they said they picked Know Your Enemy because it was an obvious "Hard Rocking single" like American Idiot...just as most people predicted...So I think they knew that wasn't the best on the album, just a catchy chorus feel good song.
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Post by PHOBES on May 6, 2009 17:34:41 GMT -5
Listening the "21st Century Breakdown" (the song) right now. I like it, but the "Working Class Hero" reference seems a bit blatant.
EDIT: Well, the title track definitely stands out among the six, nothing special IMO.
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Post by Pipa on May 6, 2009 19:43:54 GMT -5
21 Guns is easily their standout track off this album so far.
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Post by PHOBES on May 6, 2009 19:51:43 GMT -5
^Yeah I had high hopes for that one, especially considering all the praise people were giving it. Just seems kinda weak to me.
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Post by Physical on May 7, 2009 15:30:40 GMT -5
Wow, 21 Guns sounds amazing. I hope it's the second single.
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