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Post by Rurry on Jul 10, 2009 16:22:20 GMT -5
^What other song from this album do you think could honestly perform better than this? This is clearly the most radio-friendly choice left.
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Post by Monroe on Jul 10, 2009 16:43:21 GMT -5
This album is not awesome. I said from the beginning that this album didn't sound like a Clarkson effort and I am sure that other people can tell this as well. Hence the relatively low album sales and the uninteresting digital performance of IDNHU. This track would be lucky to get to #13 given the way her singles are fairing.
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Post by Cody Wants Out... on Jul 10, 2009 16:51:43 GMT -5
Ya I wonder why they are waiting so long. What's wrong with RIGHT NOW? I mean, IDNHU has been dead for a couple weeks already. What's the hold up? >:( Really? I thought it just started dying.
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Post by ƒreakshow on Jul 10, 2009 16:53:22 GMT -5
Ya I wonder why they are waiting so long. What's wrong with RIGHT NOW? I mean, IDNHU has been dead for a couple weeks already. What's the hold up? >:( Really? I thought it just started dying. Yes, but it didn't do anything once it went top 10.
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Post by discoloser on Jul 10, 2009 16:55:04 GMT -5
This album is not awesome. I said from the beginning that this album didn't sound like a Clarkson effort and I am sure that other people can tell this as well. Hence the relatively low album sales and the uninteresting digital performance of IDNHU. This track would be lucky to get to #13 given the way her singles are fairing. I think this will not preform Top 20 even...but we'll see.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 10, 2009 17:00:30 GMT -5
I hope this is a big hit(top 5, at least). It's my favorite song off of the CD :)
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Post by Baby In a New Dress on Jul 10, 2009 17:17:08 GMT -5
^What other song from this album do you think could honestly perform better than this? This is clearly the most radio-friendly choice left. Huh? Are you talking about ballads, or what? Because we've still got... Don't Let Me Stop You, If I Can't Have You, All I Ever Wanted, Cry, Impossible, Long Shot... those are all catchy songs. Already Gone is so dull and boring, I can barely get through the whole thing. And now it's being released as a single. Such a thoroughly ill-advised move.
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Post by CammyCan on Jul 10, 2009 17:33:07 GMT -5
"Already Gone" is better than all of those songs.
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Post by Rurry on Jul 10, 2009 17:34:22 GMT -5
There is NO way All I Ever Wanted, Cry, Impossible and Long Shot are more radio-friendly than this. Neither are the other two, but saying those 4 are is just crazy. Plus, she needs an album-seller, and this song definitely is (ballads tend to sell the most albums).
And the people saying this has no chance at being a hit are being a little overdramatic. It's not like IDNHU was some massive flop, it was a top 10 hit.
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Post by Devil Marlena Nylund on Jul 10, 2009 17:37:29 GMT -5
wait a second.... just back up.
'All I Ever Wanted', with a fairly successful leadoff single and a decently-performing followup, has YET to outsell the "flop" album 'My December' that had a barely successful lead-off single and no other hits?
I find that interesting.... I liked My December much better. How long did it take MD to reach 600k in sales compared to AIEW taking 4 months to reach that point?
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Post by Rurry on Jul 10, 2009 17:39:44 GMT -5
I'm sure AIEW will outsell MD in the long run, although there's no denying her sales have been quite underwhelming.
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Post by Eloqueen™ on Jul 10, 2009 17:50:31 GMT -5
I personally believe the reason All I Ever Wanted hasn't been flying off the shelfs is due to the fact that nearly every song (aside from a select few) are growers. None of the songs really hit you instantly, but grow on you through repeated listens. That's a problem for the average buyer as they aren't going to give each song the opportunity to grow on them; if they don't like it on first listen they most likely aren't going to like it. I could see how initially a person who isn't completely devoted to Kelly could consider this album a poor effort. First impressions really are everything these days.
Honestly I think had they followed the "instant" My Life Would Suck Without You with Already Gone her album sales would have stabilized and she would be very close to one million sold at this point. If radio doesn't pick up Already Gone well before its adds date the damage to the album is going to be completely irreversible (unless they decide to re-release) and it very well could end up selling less than 850k.
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Post by Haley on Jul 10, 2009 17:52:45 GMT -5
I've always criticized this song for sounding so much like Halo, but even with that it's not hard admitting the song is good. Her vocals are gorgeous in it. That one acoustic version she did at a radio station (I think?) a month or so back was stunning.
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Post by ƒreakshow on Jul 10, 2009 18:17:28 GMT -5
That one acoustic version she did at a radio station (I think?) a month or so back was stunning. Indeed. This thread should not be without it...
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Post by Focus on Jul 10, 2009 18:26:34 GMT -5
That acoustic Already Gone is so much better than the album version. I hope that's the way she sings it when she promotes the song.
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Post by Bluemargay on Jul 10, 2009 18:33:54 GMT -5
Why are they waiting so long? Hello or should I say Halo. Halo still needs to die.
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Post by Gravity. on Jul 10, 2009 18:34:42 GMT -5
I think that this will be the ballad of the fall/winter. Beautiful song.
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Post by frank on Jul 10, 2009 19:15:00 GMT -5
I'm still annoyed that Halo got released first, even though this song came first. This song is so much better BTW.
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Post by picklerclarkson on Jul 10, 2009 19:16:57 GMT -5
They will probably take out most of the intro anyways...
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Post by dbhmr on Jul 10, 2009 19:40:44 GMT -5
I think they're waiting for Halo to die more, and for it to be Fall, because I think this is a better Fall/Winter song with great potential for longevity. That being said, August 24 is dangerously far away for this album. Hopefully her GMA Concert Series will spark more interest. How does that work exactly? Will she get to sing a number of songs?
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Post by Love Plastic Love on Jul 10, 2009 19:48:08 GMT -5
I am not sure I agree this is the most radio friendly song on the album. But, I have gotten used to it as a single and hope it can be the hit she needs to boost the album. I would have preferred an adds date sooner than mid-late August though.
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Post by getyaarmor on Jul 10, 2009 19:57:53 GMT -5
This song sucks. It will be lucky to go top 20.
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Post by Monroe on Jul 10, 2009 20:27:54 GMT -5
I personally believe the reason All I Ever Wanted hasn't been flying off the shelfs is due to the fact that nearly every song (aside from a select few) are growers. The first two singles are very "instant", those two first impressions should be enough to motivate people to buy the album especially since both got major CHR support after her last era couldn't even score her a top 20 hit. As it's been stated MLWSWY and IDNHU are both instant tracks with power choruses and huge vocals. DLMSY, LS, IICHY and WYWBMD are pretty much all in your face what you see is what you get kind of songs. There are a few "growers" but most of those are the ballads I feel like this is an excuse. If people connected with the first two singles and felt that they liked at least half or more of the album they would of bought the album already. I don't think the problem is that there are "too many growers" or that "there aren't enough instant tracks" (which is just plain false because nearly half of the album is instant). It's simply that her material isn't resonating with the public the way it has in the past which isn't necessarily a bad thing. It just means that her audience and focus has become more limited.
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Post by Eloqueen™ on Jul 10, 2009 21:02:11 GMT -5
The first two singles are very "instant", those two first impressions should be enough to motivate people to buy the album especially since both got major CHR support after her last era couldn't even score her a top 20 hit. Key word in that sentence was "personally". I (myself) don't find I Do Not Hook Up to be an "instant" song, in the least and I feel the lack of initial downloads when the album was first released proves this. I had to listen to it many, many times before it began to grow on me while My Life Would Suck Without You hit me instantly with its infectious chorus and throbbing beat. As it's been stated? By who? I'll agree with you about My Life Would Suck Without You but I've always found I Do Not Hook Up's chorus to be weak and underwhelming. I'll agree with you about Don't Let Me Stop You and If I Can't Have You. You act as if your opinion is fact (when it's no more right than mine). lol Yes, me saying the public disliked her second single and her album is an "excuse". I'd figure you'd love me saying something to that effect. Again, it's an opinion dear. Songs can be instant for some and be growers for others. I'll agree with this (but for clearly different reasons). Only with her second single. If she had released the right single (aka an instant track, which is only a select few on the album) her album would have sold much better. The public loved My Life Would Suck Without You and it alone helped All I Ever Wanted shift over 600,000 albums and sell over 2 million digital singles. She just has to put out one of the more instant songs on the album and she'll regain that audience (unless they wait too long and then it's done regardless).
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Post by Justin. on Jul 10, 2009 21:07:53 GMT -5
I predict at least Top 10, if not Top 5 on CHR.
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Post by repentyourself on Jul 10, 2009 21:11:43 GMT -5
i predict a multi-format smash (AC, hot AC, pop, maybe some rhythmic spins? although, i really don't know if three, maybe four formats would be called a "multi-format smash. ), and multiple weeks at #1 on pop and AC. oh, and #1 on the hot 100. ;)
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Post by Monroe on Jul 10, 2009 21:18:13 GMT -5
Key word in that sentence was "personally". I (myself) don't find I Do Not Hook Up to be an "instant" song, I don't see how this could really be debated. I myself can hate the song all day long but the song isn't meek nor does it take multiple listens to get the full gist of what the song is trying to say. The song is loud, her vocals are full and strong and the guitar/production/instrumentation is very pronounced. This is a Dr. Luke track in the same vein as many of her other rock influenced singles. The song is instant. I may hate it but it simply is not a grower. It's literally a carbon copy of the sound used to make MLWSWY. It may not be as effective nor as strong/catchy but it is an instant track. This is no "Sober" (P!nk's version) here. It pretty much is what it is on the surface. Would you call "Walk Away" or "Since U Been Gone" growers? Because I feel IDNHU follows that same pattern and paint by numbers kit. They are the same animal when it comes down to it. A Dr. Luke inspired production that uses Kelly's belting booming voice and uses heavy guitar and heavy bass to drive the song on for about three minutes. WYWBMD is obnoxious and loud there is no mistaking it for something else nor does it have some underlying depth to it. It is what it is when you first here it which is an unorganized and horribly orchestrated mess of a song. But it is instant in addressing what it is right away. A song that get's your attention if nothing else. I also think Long Shot is quirky enough to get people to listen to it at first listen and draw people in. I don't believe it to be a preference as to what grabs ones attention or what doesn't. An up tempo song with howling vocals is going to be more instant and more grabby then a song that is more laid back. IDNHU is not a laid back song at all and Kelly's vocal performance as well as the production/instrumentation proves that. Already Gone is on the other hand not an instant track. Nor would I call it catchy. But it is more effective then IDNHU is in terms of creating a mood and creating a message. Perhaps that is what you are talking about? She did go with an instant track. It failed. IDNHU had nothing to do with that?
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Post by Illusions on Jul 10, 2009 22:08:21 GMT -5
This song will do VERY well on the radio. It will help the album a lot IMO.
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Post by Eloqueen™ on Jul 10, 2009 22:37:37 GMT -5
I don't see how this could really be debated. I myself can hate the song all day long but the song isn't meek nor does it take multiple listens to get the full gist of what the song is trying to say. The song is loud, her vocals are full and strong and the guitar/production/instrumentation is very pronounced. This is a Dr. Luke track in the same vein as many of her other rock influenced singles. The song is instant. I may hate it but it simply is not a grower. It's literally a carbon copy of the sound used to make MLWSWY. It may not be as effective nor as strong/catchy but it is an instant track. This is no "Sober" (P!nk's version) here. It pretty much is what it is on the surface. Again, what may be "instant" for you may be a "grower" for someone else. There is no "right" or "wrong" side to this argument. It's different for each person and for me personally (again) I Do Not Hook Up is a grower. I would absolutely call Walk Away a grower. That song didn't have the same appreciation it does today with fans when it was initially released. Many grew to love it by way of its video and feisty performances. Just because you use similar elements doesn't mean you'll be left with the same result. For instance horror movies today more often than not follow similar themes and yet some are a lot more instantly pleasing to the audience than others. A song doesn't have to have "depth" in order to be considered a grower. There are plenty of songs I couldn't stand at first but grew to love later (after repeated listens) which have an emotional depth of a blowup doll. This must be one of the silliest things I've ever read on Pulse for the 4 years in which I've been a member. Something that grabs your attention might not even make someone else take notice. Everyone has different tastes. When I say "instant" I don't mean "a song that gets your attention"; I am referring to a song that one instantly likes/loves. Some random heavy metal song may be piercingly loud/angry and grab your attention but that doesn't mean you'll like what you hear. Nope, not at all really. How many radio listeners hearing something for the first time think first about the mood the song creates or its message? They don't. They hear the music and melody and either they like what they hear or they don't. The "message" of the song would come later on in that relationship. Again, and read this really carefully, I don't see I Do Not Hook Up as an instant track. You act as if by repeating your opinion that it is will in any way change my view on the song. lol Yep. IDNHU did absolutely nothing for All I Ever Wanted's overall sales and I'll completely stand by this statement.
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Post by Choco on Jul 10, 2009 22:41:02 GMT -5
I agree about IDNHU not being very instantly. It was a grower, at least for me. I Hated it and then started to love way after it reached top 10.
I think Kelly will be fine after this single starts to catch people's attention again.
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