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Post by Monroe on Aug 13, 2009 18:19:16 GMT -5
I hate to say it, but Britney fans kind of remind me of Madonna fans several years ago. Like, at one point they were #1 and had all of the attention, but now they are competing against others who are also getting massive amounts of attention-sometimes MORE attention. I just don't think Gaga is at that level of interest yet. You can search each of them on google and you can see the results for who has more articles written about them, who has more internet searches, who has more internet hits, who has more fansites, etc. Interest is a fairly easy thing to gauge.
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Post by K. on Aug 13, 2009 19:13:59 GMT -5
^Don't you think the fact that Britney and Madonna have been around for (one and two-and-a-half, respectively) decades more than Gaga, and thus have had a lot more "articles written about them" (for instance) complicates your gauge, though?
I would say that Gaga doesn't have the same feel of establishment as Britney and Madonna have - that only comes after years of being around. There is also no comparison between the loyalty of their fanbases, which also has a lot to do purely with time. But when it comes to interest, some interest matters more than others. When you look at who the progressive, forward-thinking forces of music are (the magazine writers, the producers, the DJs, the other It artists), and who they are interested in at the moment, as well as the interest of those listeners who haven't already sworn themselves to Britney and Madonna and no one else, I think it is certainly fair to say that Britney and Madonna have been left in the dust the past year.
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Post by Monroe on Aug 13, 2009 19:23:50 GMT -5
^Don't you think the fact that Britney and Madonna have been around for (one and two-and-a-half, respectively) decades more than Gaga, and thus have had a lot more "articles written about them" (for instance) complicates your gauge, though? Perhaps, but I am also talking about how even when Britney or Madonna weren't doing anything they were still highly regarded and the public still were interested in them. Even when they took breaks. The public was still interested in their personal lives. Like Britney back in 2005-2007 she really wasn't even doing anything and half of that time was when she wasn't even going bat crazy. Or Madonna with her adoption and her divorce even after the interest in her music has waned compared to yesteryear. There is just an overwhelming interest in them no matter what they do that just seems to out shine other artists. I am not saying this as some delusional stan or some out of control fangurl, I am saying this strictly by looking at the facts. Britney went to the TCA's which had less then four million viewers that night to accept an award and the very next day she had over a thousand internet articles posted about it. That's just insane to me. Look at the newest teen sensation who is supposed to be the "new Britney" (Miley Cyrus). She performed and pole danced and yet she couldn't even create a fourth of the stir Britney created just by picking up her surf board for like two minutes of her being on stage. Or Madonna who shut everyone down the day she announced her divorce. Gaga for all that she has accomplished doesn't seem to create as much interest or even a fraction of the interest that others do for some reason. Which is why I doubt her becoming an icon because she just doesn't seem to pull people in and interest people the way other stars do. People aren't so much as interested in her as they are her music. Her music is more famous then she is IMO. That's not a bad thing, but for someone who wants to bring the "popstar" back it's a handicap for her. Yes people may google her odd fashion choices and maybe even listen to an interview of her, but I wouldn't say they are interested in her the way they are in other female pop artists. She doesn't resonate with a group of people the way Marilyn, Madonna, Britney and others have and still do. Well of course. Gaga is a new artist, of course she is going to have a more explosive debut then Britney and Madonna who have been here for as you stated more then a decade. They are also on their sixth and twelfth discs. Gaga's sound is also incredibly strong and she is riding the popularity wave of dance music at the moment.
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Post by K. on Aug 13, 2009 20:05:19 GMT -5
I disagree to some extent that she doesn't have the same degree of interest at this exact moment in time, but I will agree to the extent that I'm not sure if she were to go on break after this single if anybody would care about her in the interlude between now and her next album. I'm not sure how that relates to early Britney as I can't remember 1999-2000 all that clearly (and she didn't really have much of a break in there anyway), and I have even less knowledge about Madonna's first era-break considering I wasn't born yet.
That's partly what I meant by saying Britney has an established feeling - people are going to be interested in her whether she has an album out of not. That's the same for Beyonce and Mariah and to a lesser extent Kelly and an even lesser extent Avril and whoever else. This happens more because they've been around for a long time and people have gotten used to thinking about them, though. I don't think it has anything at all to do with how much interest they had when they were at their peak. It's no coincedence that the longer and more consistently an artist has been around, the more of this type of feel they have.
Of course, there's a lot to be said of artists who have been around consistently for a long period of time. But that can't be held against Gaga, nor does it indicate that Britney is at this moment in time at the same level of relevancy as Gaga.
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Post by Marooned@Midnight on Aug 13, 2009 20:07:22 GMT -5
Something to keep in mind. As stated above, Gaga is riding the dance popularity phase right now. Britney and Madonna have both weathered many phases in pop music. Will Gaga be able to adapt to changing sounds? Britney went from bubblegum to hip hop to electronic pop to dance pop. Madonna has obviously been through even more changes. That is what career longevity is about---adaptation. Maybe Gaga will, maybe she won't. Only time will really tell.
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Post by kmbgs on Aug 13, 2009 21:01:00 GMT -5
But haven't all three ladies had a hand in changing the mood of pop music, as well as having weathered changes? Madonna obviously had her huge impact in the 80's, Britney was a major part of the teen pop sound that dominated the late 90's, and I think Gaga has had a very big hand in making dance music so in right now. What Gaga hasn't done, that B and M have, thus, is evolve. Time will tell if she can.
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Post by Hefty Hanna on Aug 14, 2009 1:08:05 GMT -5
I'm sorry, I just don't recall anybody that I know ever saying "Wow, I'm really exciting about GaGa tonight on (insert TV show/special)!" I know that both before and after Britney's VMA appearances in 2007 and 2008, my facebook was clogged with status updates about it. I think this, along with the TCA thing, is a great example of selective seeing. I see TONS of facebook stuff, articles, twitters, etc about Lady Gaga and what she is doing. I also saw tons upon tons of articles and talk about Miley's TCA performance. Way different than "never seeing anything Lady Gaga" or "no one talked about anything but Britney" We tend to notice or see things or note things when they mention our favorites over non-favs. This is no exception. I hate to say it, but Britney fans kind of remind me of Madonna fans several years ago. Like, at one point they were #1 and had all of the attention, but now they are competing against others who are also getting massive amounts of attention-sometimes MORE attention. For some reason, fans never want to let go to THEIR artist being #1 AND NO ONE EVER being able to challenge that well after the heyday has passed. It isn't a big deal-Madonna is still roaring huge even though I am sure people would agree on a daily interest level other artists get tons of attention/more hype. I'm sorry, but that's crap if I've ever read it. I pride myself on being completely objective and honest. It's not "selective seeing", and I'm actually quite offended that you would even accuse me of that, because that's so beyond me. I wasn't trying to say any of that and I hate how people try putting words into my mouth. I should just keep my mouth shut from now on because people can't take a simple observation or opinion. I was simply stating I find myself having to spread the GaGa news to my friends who haven't heard about it yet (Kermit the Frog, the hermaphrodite youtube frenzy, "Anybody with a big dick", "I'd have a threesome with the Jonas Brothers"), all big enough proof that I follow GaGa and I love keeping up with her, and I can honestly admit that I have been checking on her way more than I have been checking on Britney as of late. Just because you see a flood of GaGa related stuff on facebook or whatever doesn't mean yours mirrors mine. I had no intention on bringing GaGa down or putting Britney on a pedestal. They're both two of my favorite artists and there's absolutely no reason for me to do that. There is room for both of them. I love Britney, I really do, but I'm no st@n and I'll be the first one to admit she f**ks up or releases a lukewarm song, as I did 'Womanizer' before it grew on me. I never ever said that I "never see anybody talking about GaGa". I never said ANY of that. It's like people have been going around here for days saying I am "bias" or "trolling" because Britney is in my avatar and my username, but it's not like that at all with me, and I'm sick of that. Britney ≠ God, and not everything she touches magically turns into gold in my eyes. I like 'Paparazzi' just as much, if not more, than any Britney song from this era, and the same goes for PF, JD, and LG. I'm not the one with the selective seeing. Other people have said the same exact thing I have said in this thread, heck some of them had GaGa as their avatar/siggy, the only difference is that I am the one with the Britney avatar, so I get called out, and that sucks.
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Post by loli01 on Aug 14, 2009 1:13:08 GMT -5
my little sister loves gaga and shes 8 yrs old. I dont think this is appropriate for kids i mean the video that why i'll just let her to like miley cyrus more than gaga.
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Post by aTunes on Aug 14, 2009 1:44:00 GMT -5
A bit random, but I adore her acoustic version of this. I prefer it about a hundred times over the studio one.
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Post by Hefty Hanna on Aug 14, 2009 1:49:28 GMT -5
A bit random, but I adore her acoustic version of this. I prefer it about a hundred times over the studio one. I love the acoustic version too. The chord changes she made in the chorus make it epic to me.
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Post by It's me, bitch. on Aug 14, 2009 2:42:07 GMT -5
^Don't you think the fact that Britney and Madonna have been around for (one and two-and-a-half, respectively) decades more than Gaga, and thus have had a lot more "articles written about them" (for instance) complicates your gauge, though? Perhaps, but I am also talking about how even when Britney or Madonna weren't doing anything they were still highly regarded and the public still were interested in them. Even when they took breaks. The public was still interested in their personal lives. Like Britney back in 2005-2007 she really wasn't even doing anything and half of that time was when she wasn't even going bat crazy. Or Madonna with her adoption and her divorce even after the interest in her music has waned compared to yesteryear. There is just an overwhelming interest in them no matter what they do that just seems to out shine other artists. I am not saying this as some delusional stan or some out of control fangurl, I am saying this strictly by looking at the facts. Britney went to the TCA's which had less then four million viewers that night to accept an award and the very next day she had over a thousand internet articles posted about it. That's just insane to me. Look at the newest teen sensation who is supposed to be the "new Britney" (Miley Cyrus). She performed and pole danced and yet she couldn't even create a fourth of the stir Britney created just by picking up her surf board for like two minutes of her being on stage. Or Madonna who shut everyone down the day she announced her divorce. Gaga for all that she has accomplished doesn't seem to create as much interest or even a fraction of the interest that others do for some reason. Which is why I doubt her becoming an icon because she just doesn't seem to pull people in and interest people the way other stars do. People aren't so much as interested in her as they are her music. Her music is more famous then she is IMO. That's not a bad thing, but for someone who wants to bring the "popstar" back it's a handicap for her. Yes people may google her odd fashion choices and maybe even listen to an interview of her, but I wouldn't say they are interested in her the way they are in other female pop artists. She doesn't resonate with a group of people the way Marilyn, Madonna, Britney and others have and still do. Well of course. Gaga is a new artist, of course she is going to have a more explosive debut then Britney and Madonna who have been here for as you stated more then a decade. They are also on their sixth and twelfth discs. Gaga's sound is also incredibly strong and she is riding the popularity wave of dance music at the moment. U have way too much time on your hands to always be writing novels on here.
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Post by LC3 on Aug 14, 2009 9:04:28 GMT -5
Airplay update?
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Post by Mike79 on Aug 14, 2009 9:45:01 GMT -5
I love the video. Some people have said it's morbid, odd. I find it refreshing and modern. I want HUGE things to happen with this song and video and expect nothing more than a killer performance of this at the VMA's. In fact, I would love for her to do a Lady Gaga megamix starting with LoveGame/Poker Face and Paparazzi. (I can do without a performance of Just Dance)
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Post by fhscott100 on Aug 14, 2009 10:16:15 GMT -5
That's the best video I've seen in years. It's like the good videos Madonna used to do..
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Post by Mike79 on Aug 14, 2009 17:23:14 GMT -5
Yeah I agree about Madonna's videos lately...I am hoping that the Celebration video makes up for it. I hate the videos for Hung Up, Get Together, Jump and Give It 2 Me. Sorry and 4 Minutes were the only two I liked recently.
I think this song will be Lady Gaga's 4th consecutive #1 from a debut artist!! That would be record breaking I think...
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Post by Mike79 on Aug 14, 2009 17:33:10 GMT -5
Ah, I see. 2 days after the huge VMA performance. ;) Goood thinking, that's definitely the reason, she'll hopefully be winning some awards for Paparazzi... I can't believe it was nominated for 5 awards (More than PF!) and it hasn't even been released to radio yet :o This will probably climb into the top 50 before then, and then her label will expect it to explode after the adds date and performance... great plan I didn't know Paparazzi was nominated for 5 awards. I assumed all were for Poker Face! WOW- that video deserves all 5 no doubt. I actually think it's her "Thriller" video :)
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Post by Deleted on Aug 14, 2009 18:03:19 GMT -5
GaGa is just gettin started. And shes done very well, the reason shes only pulling in fashion and music news is cause thats what she gives, if she was off kissing some celeb in public, or doing whatever that would garner attention shed be in the headlines EVERYDAY. Also the music is her main focus next to her performances and fashion. The other gossip will come soon, they always build them up and then bring them down. It will happen. Now, shes not necessarily gorgeous like Madonna and Britney was err is so that hinders her a bit, and she doesnt act so much as a whore, or hasnt gone to levels yet of other superstars. These other stars have time on her, no comparison really except for being talented, IMO, if you say so.
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Post by Devil Marlena Nylund on Aug 15, 2009 12:18:09 GMT -5
I'm sorry, I just don't recall anybody that I know ever saying "Wow, I'm really exciting about GaGa tonight on (insert TV show/special)!" I know that both before and after Britney's VMA appearances in 2007 and 2008, my facebook was clogged with status updates about it. My facebook is constantly clogged with Lady GaGa-related statuses. When 'Paparazzi' the video became available online, a few people had it under their links with tons of comments in each one. GaGa might not be here to stay but she's definitely here now. I'd say she might be almost on par with the sudden explosion the Spice Girls had in 96.
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Post by Devil Marlena Nylund on Aug 15, 2009 12:24:51 GMT -5
Gaga for all that she has accomplished doesn't seem to create as much interest or even a fraction of the interest that others do for some reason. Which is why I doubt her becoming an icon because she just doesn't seem to pull people in and interest people the way other stars do. People aren't so much as interested in her as they are her music. Her music is more famous then she is IMO. That's not a bad thing, but for someone who wants to bring the "popstar" back it's a handicap for her. Yes people may google her odd fashion choices and maybe even listen to an interview of her, but I wouldn't say they are interested in her the way they are in other female pop artists. She doesn't resonate with a group of people the way Marilyn, Madonna, Britney and others have and still do. I dunno. I think GaGa definitely has the potential to garner interest in her personal life but right now her professional career and music are getting all the attention because, as far as pop music goes, it's different from what pop stars have been offering for quite some time so any attention about GaGa goes toward her music and public appearances. Once that dies down, I'd say people will begin to wonder and inquire about what Lady GaGa is like when she's not performing or otherwise "showing" off. But right now, her professional side is interesting enough. I think how she's doing it now is a return to how it was done in the 60s as far as having this whole persona about you that is directly related to her music. She is branding herself as a brand and that's what her life is. That's all people care about. And that's why she's huge.
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Post by LoveKiller on Aug 15, 2009 12:27:37 GMT -5
did anyone else see the video of her on stage with what looked like a penis hanging out of her dress?
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Post by %cician on Aug 15, 2009 12:40:27 GMT -5
did anyone else see the video of her on stage with what looked like a penis hanging out of her dress? rofl nobody still think shes a woman!!
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Post by Mpol on Aug 15, 2009 12:58:50 GMT -5
LMAO ! No one actually thinks she's a man. We all know she planted it in there.
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Post by %cician on Aug 15, 2009 13:23:59 GMT -5
i know off many ppl still thinkin she a man..
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Post by beachboi69 on Aug 15, 2009 13:30:55 GMT -5
I hate to say it, but Britney fans kind of remind me of Madonna fans several years ago. Like, at one point they were #1 and had all of the attention, but now they are competing against others who are also getting massive amounts of attention-sometimes MORE attention. I just don't think Gaga is at that level of interest yet. You can search each of them on google and you can see the results for who has more articles written about them, who has more internet searches, who has more internet hits, who has more fansites, etc. Interest is a fairly easy thing to gauge. Being a Madonna. Britney, and Gaga fan. Gaga is the centre of attention right now and her singles are great. She has reached star like (early) status to a degree maybe more like Britney. Madonna not so much.
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Post by Dammn Baby on Aug 15, 2009 13:44:16 GMT -5
i know off many ppl still thinkin she a man.. You know many stupid people.
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Post by 0202 on Aug 15, 2009 14:17:26 GMT -5
I think this song will be Lady Gaga's 4th consecutive #1 from a debut artist!! That would be record breaking I think... If your talking about #1's on pop radio, then no. Mariah holds that record with her first 10 singles(i think its 10) reaching #1 on pop radio.
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Post by Love Plastic Love on Aug 15, 2009 14:18:44 GMT -5
I came online today and she was a trending topic and had article features on every news site I visit For wearing an outfit in some foreign country. I don't get how people miss how much attention she gets for weird ass random things.
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Post by beachboi69 on Aug 15, 2009 14:40:00 GMT -5
i know off many ppl still thinkin she a man.. You know many stupid people. I am probably stupid... But I always had this wierd odd feeling of Gaga from her videos and stage acts. It's like she is always hiding something... Glammed up and what-not and to tell you the truth there was something painfull about watching her videos that seemed kinda cheap... But the Music more then made up for any of that. I love Lady Gaga... the only song I disslike is PokerFace... Not sure why that rubbed me the wrong way. Even if she was a He... I don't care!
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Post by LoveKiller on Aug 15, 2009 15:18:58 GMT -5
many of my friends think its a hermaphrodite and we are not stupid.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 15, 2009 15:33:04 GMT -5
Shes even made jokes about her supposed penis. I dont think she used to be a man or a hermie, she has the curves of a woman and acts and sounds like one, not sayin the latter two make a difference but I just dont think shes a man or an ex man. Ive seen pics of her b4 her new look and she looks like quite the female to me! I honestly hate when people bring down woman and say their trannys.
I saw the video and I didnt quite see what people saw.. maybe she needed to change her pad.. or maybe she has a large vag like Beyonce (no dis to Bee), I dont know.. I just dont think she used to be a man.
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