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Post by praepos on Aug 22, 2010 14:25:54 GMT -5
First clip of Elevator from Zoo-a-palooza (David earlier told someone he's be doing his favorite song off the new album) www.twitvid.com/PLFECHe did acoustic (w/ Mike and/or himself) SBL, Crazy, Elevator, Crush Crazy is where his talent shines: full of Archuleta soul and vocal brilliance. The original material is inferior. What is it with Parachutes and now Elevator? These seem to be an attempt to recapture the kinetic spirit of Zero Gravity--the fun of it--the music imitating the controlling metaphor. But they don't really work. I'm starting to worry we're getting in the realm of silliness here. If this is the stuff of the new cd, it's a major disappointment. Enough with the messages already. Enough with the attempts to be clever. It's David's vocals and soulfulness that need expression, not his mediocre writing skills and immaturity.
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Post by crazyworld on Aug 22, 2010 18:27:39 GMT -5
Dear Praepos, give yourself a favor and forget about the soul man of Utah or the ballad boy from AI. That guy is gone, dead, no longer exists We have a new David , what he wants to be, an artist who wants to follow the steps of his favorites singer songwriters: Regina Spektor, Sara Bareilles, Imogen Heap, Jason Mraz, etc. Maybe in a few years he'll change his mind and he'll be into R&B, big ballads and stuff like that but not this era honey...sorry
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Post by praepos on Aug 22, 2010 19:52:30 GMT -5
Dear Praepos, give yourself a favor and forget about the soul man of Utah or the ballad boy from AI. That guy is gone, dead, no longer exists We have a new David , what he wants to be, an artist who wants to follow the steps of his favorites singer songwriters: Regina Spektor, Sara Bareilles, Imogen Heap, Jason Mraz, etc. Maybe in a few years he'll change his mind and he'll be into R&B, big ballads and stuff like that but not this era honey...sorry Don't be sorry for me, be sorry for David and his career. David is sounding more and more like a Mormon kid determined to set a good example rather than sounding like a genuine artist. He may be quirky and his new songs may reflect this--but has anyone ever built a career out of that kind of innocuous quirkiness, especially by straining the voice? I do agree he will change his mind in a few years--when he smartens up a bit. That tends to happen after somebody is struck upside the head by reality.
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Post by daveyfan on Aug 22, 2010 22:17:14 GMT -5
Dear Praepos, give yourself a favor and forget about the soul man of Utah or the ballad boy from AI. That guy is gone, dead, no longer exists We have a new David , what he wants to be, an artist who wants to follow the steps of his favorites singer songwriters: Regina Spektor, Sara Bareilles, Imogen Heap, Jason Mraz, etc. Maybe in a few years he'll change his mind and he'll be into R&B, big ballads and stuff like that but not this era honey...sorry It's a bit early to determine that this album won' t reflect David's VERY wide range of musical tastes, which have always included r&b and ballads and rightly so since this style really suits his voice. I don't think that guy is "dead" at all. Most artists explore different sounds/styles etc so that's expected. It doesn't mean that he's not "into" his original style. Hopefully this album will reflect a variety of influences, including soul.
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Post by violet on Aug 22, 2010 23:00:56 GMT -5
Very nice Associated Content article about the album cover, David, and the SC performance www.associatedcontent.com/article/5713022/david_archuleta_a_signature_charmer.html?cat=33crazyworld - do you actually watch David's live videos and listen to his albums or just judge him by his singles? He can still slay with a ballad and I expect he'll have some on the new album. My favorite To Be With You video www.youtube.com/watch?v=DPJ7somALxwAnd almost his whole Christmas album was slow songs - mostly carols but he had a lot of his own style in them. Plenty of people screaming through the ending of O Holy Night - and I get the same chills up and down my spine near the ending of that, just like with stuff he sang on Idol. It's not chills list brrr - just like he resets my spine or something - wow. www.youtube.com/watch?v=vbLGbFJIXH4Or - Contigo en la Distancia at the ALMA Awards www.youtube.com/watch?v=vZN7hBq7bBoAnd his own ballads from his first album. As for the little soul man from Utah, no not the same. He's not growling now. And it's softer. Works for Me is pretty R&B - acoustic version 2 months ago www.youtube.com/watch?v=DrlbWShADloAnd so is Your Eyes Don't Lie - Manila rehearsal (YEDL is my favorite track from first album) www.youtube.com/watch?v=ytBm_A8QRN4And you probably heard the Crazy he just did I sure hope he has something like YEDL on the new album. And just FYI - as I remember from David's Star Search era journals when they were all in a web archive, he didn't plan to do all soul on Star Search. He was planning to do mostly Celine Dion type stuff. But they were playing up that he was the little soul man from Utah so he did all soul.
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Post by praepos on Aug 23, 2010 12:07:48 GMT -5
^David has repeated several times the album is more personal and not much like SBL. A problem may be David's idea of what's personal. David's "personal" actually distances himself from what's truly personal--like intimate love relationships or the yearning to find someone to love--usually embodied in ballads. Those are the themes that are genuinely personal, not his "personal" quirkiness.
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Post by daveyfan on Aug 23, 2010 14:09:56 GMT -5
I agree. I understand that there are certainly things about his personal life that he wants to keep personal which is understandable. However, I am curious to see how much about his true thoughts and feelings will be revealed on a deeper level than what we've heard so far. I just don't think his very private personality will really allow him to share such feelings of intimacy - at least not at this stage of his life. Maybe further down the road...but right now maybe the closest to "personal" is a song like Elevator where he writes about a dream he had. Pretty generic and, as you've said, allows him to distance himself from any real transparency.
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Post by violet on Aug 23, 2010 21:17:09 GMT -5
In the soundcheck yesterday, David tried to cheer up a crying girl and then asked what cover people were into and they were all yelling Bubbly hahahaha yeah an excellent choice www.youtube.com/watch?v=6VWca0cTQVsAnd I posted a link to a nice acoustic SBL at a radio station in the SBL thread He's in Columbus now. Maybe not Ohio though. Mike said headed from Atlanta to Louisville? And a frogcooke find: JeffmJuliano: Is mixing a song for David Archuleta's new record..
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Post by praepos on Aug 24, 2010 12:46:56 GMT -5
I agree. I understand that there are certainly things about his personal life that he wants to keep personal which is understandable. However, I am curious to see how much about his true thoughts and feelings will be revealed on a deeper level than what we've heard so far. I just don't think his very private personality will really allow him to share such feelings of intimacy - at least not at this stage of his life. Maybe further down the road...but right now maybe the closest to "personal" is a song like Elevator where he writes about a dream he had. Pretty generic and, as you've said, allows him to distance himself from any real transparency. David's present course seems more like an avoidance tactic--for the reason you mention--than anything else. So I don't have much hope for the album as a consequence--not until he learns to be more honest as an artist. There's a lot of stuff buried inside him that only comes through in covers like Don't Let the Sun Go Down on Me, Apologize, And So It Goes, Contigo, etc. Even the sassiness of Your Eyes Don't Lie is a part of him that he ignores. He certainly understands failure, loss, resentment, anger, religious doubt--but he won't face these issues squarely in his own music. Instead he purports to be a guru on love--but only about love in a generic sense. Of course his younger fans will interpret what he's singing about pretty much in terms of boy-girl relationships--but others realize he lacks credibility in that one area. Yet he's got PLENTY of experience with the darker stuff--whether he admits it or not. That's why he sings No Air and even the agnostic Imagine and so much else so convincingly, with a maturity and sophistication that far transcends his own material. David's not just this happy-go-lucky innocent dork. There's another side to him that may take years for him to own up to--after he matures--but which at present finds expression solely in the creative work of other artists.
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Post by daveyfan on Aug 24, 2010 13:17:10 GMT -5
Yeah...Kinda sad. I mean to me even when he's happy he's sad, if that makes any sense. I think that music is really the only outlet where he lets even a fraction of himself really come out. For his sake I'm grateful that he has music or he might explode. But maybe that's like all of us. We all have to find ways to express ourselves that allow us to live and grow. It's certainly interesting to watch David's journey as expressed through music and I look forward to seeing his growth and maturity as an he learns to be more true to the "darker" or real side of himself. Really I think that through the songs that you mentioned we catch a glimpse of that and those emotions are what attracts most of his fans.
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Post by lynn on Aug 24, 2010 14:04:17 GMT -5
Praepos, we've heard one song that we know is on this album, and one that we believe may be on this album. I think you're assuming an awful lot, here, about the album and about David, himself.
I'm not a person who argues online. I just read that paragraph and saw red flags.
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Post by praepos on Aug 24, 2010 14:56:04 GMT -5
Praepos, we've heard one song that we know is on this album, and one that we believe may be on this album. I think you're assuming an awful lot, here, about the album and about David, himself. I'm not a person who argues online. I just read that paragraph and saw red flags. Look at where he excels and ask yourself why. Do you think a kid of sixteen or seventeen--now nineteen going on twenty--can connect with such mature emotions in such a sensitive way without having understood them? How would that be possible? Why shouldn't we assume he knows what those feelings are all about? And why shouldn't we ask why he's avoiding exploring his more mature side since that's where the pay dirt lies in terms of his vocal abilities? Can he build a career on songs like SBL and Elevator while ignoring his real strengths as an artist? Jive seems to think so. But are there enough young fans to do this? Is he even expanding his fan base among them?
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Post by puppylove on Aug 24, 2010 16:06:32 GMT -5
I agree. I understand that there are certainly things about his personal life that he wants to keep personal which is understandable. However, I am curious to see how much about his true thoughts and feelings will be revealed on a deeper level than what we've heard so far. I just don't think his very private personality will really allow him to share such feelings of intimacy - at least not at this stage of his life. Maybe further down the road...but right now maybe the closest to "personal" is a song like Elevator where he writes about a dream he had. Pretty generic and, as you've said, allows him to distance himself from any real transparency. David's present course seems more like an avoidance tactic--for the reason you mention--than anything else. So I don't have much hope for the album as a consequence--not until he learns to be more honest as an artist. There's a lot of stuff buried inside him that only comes through in covers like Don't Let the Sun Go Down on Me, Apologize, And So It Goes, Contigo, etc. Even the sassiness of Your Eyes Don't Lie is a part of him that he ignores. He certainly understands failure, loss, resentment, anger, religious doubt--but he won't face these issues squarely in his own music. Instead he purports to be a guru on love--but only about love in a generic sense. Of course his younger fans will interpret what he's singing about pretty much in terms of boy-girl relationships-- but others realize he lacks credibility in that one area. Yet he's got PLENTY of experience with the darker stuff--whether he admits it or not. That's why he sings No Air and even the agnostic Imagine and so much else so convincingly, with a maturity and sophistication that far transcends his own material. David's not just this happy-go-lucky innocent dork. There's another side to him that may take years for him to own up to--after he matures--but which at present finds expression solely in the creative work of other artists. Praepos, I agree with some of the points you've made; David has an uncanny ability to emote as he sings. The songs you listed are some of my very favorites, especially And So It Goes. I also agree that there is a depth to David that makes him wise, probably in response to suffering he's experienced. However, I have difficulty when people say he lacks credibility when singing about boy/girl relationships because he's never been in one. First, we don't know that he hasn't, nor do we know whether or not his heart has been broken in the past. And second, singing is a performance much like acting, and if you follow the credibility logic that says he cannot sing about boy/girl love unless he has experienced it, then you would have to say that Haley Joel Osment had no right to star in The Sixth Sense if he had never actually seen dead people. I love when David sings ballads, but I won't limit him to ballads...with dire warnings about his future marketability...because they may be my preference. Frankly, I just want to hear him sing, be it ballads, Christmas songs, pop, R&B, or whatever. I love SBL, am anxious for the album (ginormous understatement there), and am thrilled that David has songs for my every mood.
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Post by violet on Aug 24, 2010 17:59:15 GMT -5
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Post by praepos on Aug 24, 2010 19:39:16 GMT -5
puppylove--
It's true we don't know much about David's private life. But that's because he won't discuss anything private. When he has to make a public appearance somewhere, he shows up with his Mom. He hasn't dated publicly and isn't inclined to discuss romance. So we're left wondering about how actually grownup he is.
Right now he's pretty much sticking to the superficial, kid stuff that won't cost him anything psychologically. Judging from SBL and Elevator he's playing it safe. But that's not where art resides--though it's where the latest songs are coming from.
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Post by beach1 on Aug 24, 2010 20:34:37 GMT -5
Romantic relationships aren't the only ways a person grows and matures. I think David is very mature for his age. Probably more mature than most other people his age in many ways even if he may not have been in any relationships.
I agree about his music though to an extent. I'd like to see David sing some more deeper stuff than just lighthearted/safe romantic stuff all the time.
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Post by violet on Aug 24, 2010 22:00:42 GMT -5
He has dated publicly but casual dates. I don't think he'll date seriously until at least 21 when he would have been returning from his mission or whenever he feels he has completed his mission through music and other things. BTW new way to preorder the CD or Deluxe CD/DVD - with autographed CD booklet (limited) from Newbury Comics. It was posted by Jive I guess on David's MySpace www.newburycomics.com/rel/v2_home.php?storenr=103&deptnr=521Grrr - his MySpace STILL has a bio that ends at when he would have his first album out soon. Jive/Zomba make me sick.
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Post by crazyworld on Aug 25, 2010 16:28:08 GMT -5
Dear Praepos...I was exaggerating and maybe having a little fun I'm sure there are going to be epic ballads, love songs and maybe R&B tunes in the new album... and who knows? maybe a song called "Daddy dearest" just for your pleasure ;)
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Post by violet on Aug 25, 2010 20:25:08 GMT -5
David will be on Good Morning NY tomorrow (Thursday Aug 26) ----- David's going to be on the Jerry Lewis telethon!
The Muscular Dystrophy Association today announced that plans for its 2010 Jerry Lewis MDA Telethon are almost complete, and the 21 1/2-hour live show is going to be spectacular.
From live remotes to amazing dance and production numbers, to sensational music performances (e.g., David Archuleta, Enrique Iglesias, Lynyrd Skynryd, WAR, John Ondrasik, OneRepublic, and Barry Manilow, etc.), to side-splitting comedy and dramatic appeals by some of America's most popular entertainers, the two-day television event is certain to delight viewers Labor Day weekend.
The 2010 Jerry Lewis MDA Telethon starts Sunday, Sept. 5 at 9 p.m. EDT. Originating live from the South Point Hotel in Las Vegas, the show concludes Labor Day, Sept. 6 at 6:30 p.m. EDT. Check listings for local start and end times, or visit mda.org.
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Post by puppylove on Aug 25, 2010 22:53:24 GMT -5
puppylove-- It's true we don't know much about David's private life. But that's because he won't discuss anything private. When he has to make a public appearance somewhere, he shows up with his Mom. He hasn't dated publicly and isn't inclined to discuss romance. So we're left wondering about how actually grownup he is. Right now he's pretty much sticking to the superficial, kid stuff that won't cost him anything psychologically. Judging from SBL and Elevator he's playing it safe. But that's not where art resides--though it's where the latest songs are coming from. Praepos, I'm not...left wondering, that is; I actually think David is, in so many ways, more grownup than most 19/20 year olds. He may be a little awkward, adorably so, but that doesn't equate to not being grownup...for me anyway. I respect him so much more because he doesn't parade his private life in public, including any relationship or family issues. We all know what his family went through since AI, but he doesn't use that to further his career, garner sympathy, or get publicity or notoriety. Instead, he is simply working very hard. I also have a different take on his mother appearing with him periodically. I don't see it that she is supervising him, but rather that he is providing her with opportunities to travel and meet wonderful people she would never meet otherwise. Please know that I love the songs that pummel your heart, with glory notes and haunting melodies, and I do see David singing those songs often throughout his career, interspersed with fun songs. And I'm content to wait.
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Post by violet on Aug 26, 2010 10:56:20 GMT -5
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Post by praepos on Aug 26, 2010 11:49:09 GMT -5
Praepos, I'm not...left wondering, that is; I actually think David is, in so many ways, more grownup than most 19/20 year olds. He may be a little awkward, adorably so, but that doesn't equate to not being grownup...for me anyway. My take is very different. I agree David is very sensible in many ways. He is grounded certainly. He's very self-directed. He has a strong work ethic. But he's also very much the good Mormon boy. He doesn't show any strong interest in anybody personally beyond his own family. And he's very much into himself. I question our usual views of him. I know he has strong morals and is a truly charitable person. I accept that he's even-tempered and generous-hearted. But I wonder about his preoccupation with his own celebrity and whether that's consistent with true humility. His book, for instance, was written to inspire others to get through the same kind of self-doubt he experienced. But it is intensely focused on himself. At the same time he sets himself up as a model for others to follow. That seems to be the Mormon influence--his need to perform a mission. But it's egocentric none-the-less. So is the pursuit of pop celebrity. David is the center of thousands of adoring fans. He seems to revel in this role. So it's not surprising he seeks to convert this attention to something less self-centered. Hence his tendency to project moral messages, to give his celebrity some moral focus. The last thing he wants to do is deal with themes that color his image in ways he deems less uplifting. He wants to be encouraging and positive to a very young audience. All well and good--but he's reaching for the easy fix. He's not reaching into himself to deal with his more negative emotions honestly. He's not respecting his own vocal talent. He's trying to force the flowers to bloom by sheer willpower. But that's not how good music is made. The result is superficial and trite. But David is smart and a quick study. He's already achieved quite a bit and will be a part of the pop culture to some limited extent no matter what. His wholesomeness is a coveted brand and his ability to bring fresh life to the great songs of other artists remains fully intact.--So he can afford a few failures. These eventually will help him to take stock--and to understand himself better. I think he'll look into himself and make the necessary adjustments to further himself as an artist. But that's going to take time. It'll come with maturity.
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Post by violet on Aug 26, 2010 13:10:57 GMT -5
I wouldn't call his book self-centered. He easily tells people about songs his dad arranged for him, and he again avoids giving himself any credit whatsoever for the work he put into getting his voice back. The book is much about his fears and lack of confidence. It's very odd he mentioned so few others (especially the names of Dean and his friends and the name of his religion). But maybe he has an extreme take on keeping it personal. His book was written like his blogs, for fans who already know him.
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Post by praepos on Aug 26, 2010 14:17:01 GMT -5
Remember when David sang In This Moment and Simon remarked it was a "bit egotistical"? David laughed. The song seemed so inconsistent with his image as a humble Morman kid. But in fact he sang the lyrics with conviction--with gusto even. Who could doubt he meant what he sang? I know what I was thinking: it was that the producers might have screwed him over backstage to give Cook the advantage, but David was sticking it to them. That was David's feistiness coming to the fore, a feistiness Cook himself appreciated.
My view is that David finds expression in song for a lot of thoughts and feelings he won't admit to ordinarily. It's his way of coping with the big stuff--and he needs to get back to it.
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Post by violet on Aug 26, 2010 21:20:22 GMT -5
Full tosh.o web redemption with the screaming girls and briefly David - quite funny www.youtube.com/watch?v=rxauQtd-J0gVevo iTouch/iPhone app (David was one of their first Q&A's for it) has sold a million copies (I imagine people would only watch what they are interested in though but nice he was one fo the first Q%A's on it) He has two gigs this weekend - Great Adventure with a number of others and and Arthur Ashe Kid's Day w/ JoBros, Demi, Shontelle (latter televised CBS at noon Sunday?) -------- AA Kids day today And TOSOD was in Entertainment Weekly's list of "Fall Music Preview" - just says David says it is more personal 1.bp.blogspot.com/_Uw_M6ZbloQw/THiKHR_lycI/AAAAAAAAYWg/UuI3arIA-Bs/s1600/davidinew.jpg
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Post by beach1 on Aug 29, 2010 4:15:00 GMT -5
lol at the 2nd pic with him and the big tennis racket.
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Post by beach1 on Aug 29, 2010 12:41:03 GMT -5
Thanks to praepos mentioning this one of his posts, I discovered this performance that David did for the final 2 night on Idol. I never saw this performance before and I'm glad I found out about it. One of my favorite lives from him. The song and performance just melt my heart. I love it so much!
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Post by praepos on Aug 29, 2010 15:15:01 GMT -5
It remains to be seen whether it was worth trading in his vocal genius for sheer bubblegum appeal. Jive and David both seem to think so. I have my doubts. So far his fanbase hasn't expanded that much in that demographic. But they keep trying. And David keeps repeating the new album will reflect more of who he is--which isn't going to help much beyond his present fanbase who will pretty much buy anything he's selling. But for him to go beyond that, his album would have to resonate with much wider audience concerns.
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Post by violet on Aug 30, 2010 10:20:04 GMT -5
praepos - SBL isn't bubblegum. It's not even happy. And David never seemed that excited about the song, saying it wasn't really representative of the rest of the album and the rest was more personal. I am still hoping the album will have some stuff that does show off his genius. And if it doesn't, we'll gather up a crowd and beat the crap out of Jive :) OCD4Lyfe - Neon Limelight got some nice photos too neonlimelight.com/2010/08/29/exclusive-photos-david-archuleta-shontelle-and-nick-cannon-chat-during-arthur-ashe-kids-day-media-ops/And this is the Arthur Ashe performance of SBL with the new band members Ben Antelis (drums) and Kellen Harrison (bass) who Mike said would be with David for a bunch of performances And this is just nice - at one of the radio stations David visited, a window washer was upset the fans outside wouldn't be able to see in. She convinced the DJ to let the fans in, then went out to the car and pulled David into the studio. One photo here: www.snarkyarchies.com/2010/08/she-be-amazing.htmlAnd someone found they had one of the lady dragging David in. She really likes him. so cute. I love seeing random people who are charmed by David. www.snarkyarchies.com/2010/08/dragging-david-lol.html--------- New David's in Nashville And a new blog "It's also been fun getting to introduce another new song from the album called "Elevator" that I first sang in Greenville. It's one of my favorite songs on the album and I feel is a good representation of what else you'll be getting from the album :). More of the David vibe haha. " www.davidarchuleta.com/news/new-david-blog-83010
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