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Post by soundUPsceneDOWN on Sept 14, 2010 16:34:43 GMT -5
I'm really digging the variety on this album--the different sounds. While I loved his first album for what it was (a beginning), a lot of the songs had the same kind of vibe and production. This album is more eclectic so far, yet I still think it's cohesive because it really sounds like him. All weird and stuff. lol.
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Post by Rurry on Sept 14, 2010 16:38:57 GMT -5
This album is already way more interesting than the first album to me.
It's sort of hard to pit STR and TOSOD together because TOSOD's clip gave us what is seemingly the chorus/main hook of the song while STR's is mostly the first verse.
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Post by atgs on Sept 14, 2010 16:42:33 GMT -5
It may be more single worthy because it sounds more generic than OSODT. What I mean by filler is that it doesn't sound neither very single ish or very artistc/different. Sounds a little bit generic forgettable. But that's just my opinion. OSODT made more of an impact to me, even if may not be the kind that would be a single.
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Post by violet on Sept 14, 2010 17:24:01 GMT -5
I think it may be more single worthy for David than TOSOD because it seems to have a girl in it (at least the bit we heard). But I love what I've heard of TOSOD too.
Stomping the Roses was a David co-write w/ Bryce Avary (A Rocket Summer) Produced by Mike Krompass
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Post by « ƒƦǫɠ » on Sept 14, 2010 17:37:46 GMT -5
A girl in it....??? wut?
This could refer to anyone, not just a girl.
Wasting time just Going mindless Watching your charades When you were younger Did it occur to you Ten years from then You’d act the same age?
I cannot carry on this way, Although I’ve carried all your every little thing Carry me away Did you feel like stomping the roses?
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Post by violet on Sept 14, 2010 20:11:35 GMT -5
Yeah it could refer to anyone but in his description he talks about someone is taking advantage of something very valuable and vulnerable in someone else, just stomping on it like it's no big deal. It doesn't say girl but you could take it that way. BTW if anyone has trouble playing the whole preview part 2 video this direct link worked fine for me even though I just couldn't play it all all embedded in a website. link.brightcove.com/services/player/bcpid10172910001?bctid=609167897001
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Post by Rurry on Sept 14, 2010 21:34:34 GMT -5
lol seems kinda hard to tell exactly what the song is about based on the little bit we heard.
I think my favorite part of STR is his vocal performance on it.
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Post by beach1 on Sept 14, 2010 23:18:53 GMT -5
It's hard to pit them against each other with 30 second clips. I don't get a filler vibe at all from this though. Actually, this one possibly sounds more single worthy to me than OSOD although I LOVED that one. I agree. From this clip it sounds like it could be a single-worthy song. And violet, I agree, I LOVE the pre-chorus part too. That part sounds fantastic and may make STR a favorite for me on this album.
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Post by violet on Sept 15, 2010 13:20:11 GMT -5
I am starting to wonder how many love songs (from crush types to breakup types, not about having no love) will be on this album. On the first album's main tracks, only two were not about love (Angels and Desperate). With this album, so far we have heard full or a clip of 6 songs on the album (half of the album) - TOSOD, SBL, Elevator, STR, P&A, TAGGB and only one (P&A) is definitely a love song. Of what's left, most titles sound like not love songs.
Where's the love? He has mostly female fans used to hearing mostly love songs from him. Even the covers he would choose were all love songs. Even as a kid he sang love songs. So far the album seems almost devoid of them.
Many of the songs we've heard so far seem sort-of teachy motivational inspirational. How will they emote, how will they swell emotions in the audience, make people want to own them? I know some people just listen to him for the voice but a lot listen to him for the emotions, the love.
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Post by beach1 on Sept 15, 2010 13:40:17 GMT -5
^ Hmm, not sure how most of his fans will think about this album. Maybe the rest of the songs that haven't been revealed yet are mostly about love.
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Post by « ƒƦǫɠ » on Sept 15, 2010 14:22:26 GMT -5
Or maybe he realizes, that his first cd was mostly love types songs, he didnt want to go that direction again. Theres a lot more to sing about then just love type songs. You can put feeling into other things as well, love isnt the only emotion out there.
He'll have the love type songs from his first album and now the material from his second album. It creates a variety and not just a one theme thing. In concerts he most probably do songs from both, it gives more material to work with. Plus again, he can sing a cover too if he wants to.
We got the love type songs in the first album, im actually glad there arent that many in this one. I actually wanted a more variety in song themes.
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Post by Rurry on Sept 15, 2010 14:37:07 GMT -5
Yeah we had enough love songs on the first CD. Way over them. David has never been in a relationship before (until now? ) so it makes sense that there's less love songs since he said this CD is a reflection of his personality.
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Post by soundUPsceneDOWN on Sept 15, 2010 14:39:00 GMT -5
^^ LOL. I'm not gonna write you a love song, 'cause you ask for it, 'cause you need one. You see, I'm not gonna write you a love song, 'cause you tell me its make or breaking this. If you're on your way, I'm not gonna write you to stay. If all you have is leavin', I'm gonna need a better reason to write you a love song today. He doesn't want to write or sing just about love.
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Post by « ƒƦǫɠ » on Sept 15, 2010 14:40:27 GMT -5
^HAHA
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Post by violet on Sept 15, 2010 15:28:09 GMT -5
I just think a balance would be lovely, instead of a bulk shift to life-advice message songs.
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Post by soundUPsceneDOWN on Sept 15, 2010 15:35:14 GMT -5
I just think a balance would be lovely, instead of a bulk shift to life-advice message songs. I don't really see these songs being "life advice" songs. They're about life - he's not preaching to you, though. These songs aren't self-help songs. They're about his thoughts on his life. The fact that this album seems to have a theme is actually good. Makes it cohesive, something his first album was not. "Love songs" are overrated. A lot of popular songs aren't about love. And to write about love simply because you think you need to do that to win over your fans, well, I see that as more pandering to the fan base than anything else. That's not what a musician should do when they're trying to become an artist.
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Post by Rurry on Sept 15, 2010 15:47:09 GMT -5
Honestly, I'd glad they're cutting back on the generic "omg ur eyes 4 so pretty u the one for me i would climb every mountain 4 u" types of songs. I'd much rather hear fresh original stuff then a theme that has been done by 95 teen singers before him.
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Post by violet on Sept 15, 2010 15:47:54 GMT -5
Yes, so far it's mostly one message - Everybody has downs but he knows it will get better, love has ups and downs but don't give up, life has ups and downs but just go with the flow, life may stump you sometimes but just keep going until you get to the other side (of down). That's 4 of 6 so far.
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Post by Rurry on Sept 15, 2010 15:49:32 GMT -5
Clearly, that's the concept he's going for. Some albums have cohesive concepts to them where a lot of the songs have a similar meaning and flow together. Being the album is called The Other Side of Down I'd say it seems like a safe bet this is one of them.
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Post by « ƒƦǫɠ » on Sept 15, 2010 15:51:09 GMT -5
well thats the theme of the album that makes it cohesive. I think its good to have a common theme through out the album, even if the songs are different musically.
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Post by soundUPsceneDOWN on Sept 15, 2010 16:02:52 GMT -5
Before iTunes and buying singles became so popular, a LOT of albums were thematically cohesive. Nowadays, fewer albums do that because labels just want a bunch of radio songs. Artists like John Mayer and Sara Bareilles and Jason Mraz still try to make thematically cohesive albums. Mayer's latest is one such album - if you listen to it full through you get that his theme is about loss in love and the difficulties in relationships. His first album was about growing up and the changes between being young and being an adult.
Tying a theme together allows songs to be more musically diverse, but still have something connecting them.
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Post by lynn on Sept 15, 2010 17:51:15 GMT -5
As much as I love a good love song, I don't need an album full of them. I love the cohesiveness of what I've heard so far. Parachutes and Airplanes is a love song, and I'm guessing that Falling Stars and My Kind of Perfect may be, too. If so, that'll be a quarter of the songs on the album. Good enough for me, and (as someone said) he does have his previous material to perform, most of which seems to be love songs.
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Post by violet on Sept 16, 2010 11:05:24 GMT -5
Just my opinion. I don't need a whole album of love songs either. And I know what theme albums are and have owned plenty since the 70's. I wished David's first album had contained some message songs. But even love songs can fit this album's message - I think P&A does nicely. I think he was deep in the book mindset and it carried over into the album. Regardless, I really enjoy the way he sings love songs and they don't have to be happy ones either, and they certainly could fit the theme. I am hoping for some.
But - OOOOOO this is nice! Somebody put together all of the clips and large parts of full songs we have already heard that are on the album
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Post by praepos on Sept 17, 2010 17:36:33 GMT -5
Yeah we had enough love songs on the first CD. Way over them. David has never been in a relationship before (until now? ) so it makes sense that there's less love songs since he said this CD is a reflection of his personality. The teen years need not so much be a time of actual relationship. But it IS a time of yearning for such a relationship. That's the essence of being young--this insatiable search for a soul-mate. David doesn't have to have had the actual experience--just the normal desire of any young man his age. Yet David avoids such revelations--seems actually uncomfortable about this. This is what seems to me so myopic about David's album, judging by what he's released so far. He says he wants to tell us about himself, but really avoids doing this, except to tell us he prefers to have an optimistic attitude about life and he's somewhat quirky. It's all pretty generic and superficial. David wants to be a pop celebrity known for his artistry. But he doesn't want it to cost him anything personally. But that's not how art comes about. It takes a lot more guts than that. It takes a lot more than a coherent theme to make music true and real. It's not easy to strip the psyche naked for all the world to see and to connect with. David won't do this with his own music apparently--but only when singing covers. In his own work he hides behind platitudes. Even worse, he won't show off those magnificent vocals. What's left for us to find interesting since he's not singing about anything his audience is keen to hear?
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Post by violet on Sept 17, 2010 20:31:10 GMT -5
praepos - I understand your points and it's similar to how I feel. (so that's a big two of us) I'm hoping it will work out well for him but also hoping it's just a phase related to his book and/or to his music as his mission since I think Mormon guys his age are supposed to suppress romantic feelings until they finish their mission. Back when he started this album he said he liked love songs that create a picture and leave the rest up to the listeners' imaginations, but it remains to be seen what love songs beyond PANDA emerge for this album, as well whether anything will showcase his soul and more of his previous vocal styling. from article Priscilla Renea talks about working with David "She was also impressed with the topics David chose to sing about. Instead of looking to get raunchy as he matures in the business, he’s keen on promoting positivity. Priscilla adds: “He doesn’t really like to talk about ‘Ooh girl, I wanna kiss you.’ You know that type of typical stuff. He likes to talk about life and things that will make people wanna get up and do something.”" BTW Justice Catalog ad for TOSOD 3.bp.blogspot.com/_BJwZVgJUeXQ/TJPlYQmQfYI/AAAAAAAAAVQ/IKsdw654-TA/s1600/Screen+shot+2010-09-17+at+6.07.37+PM.png
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Post by Rurry on Sept 17, 2010 20:34:23 GMT -5
I'm just not getting why it's so upsetting that this album isn't saturated in cheesy love songs. I'd rather have songs he can actually relate to. We're probably going to be getting 2-3 anyway, which is plenty considering every single song on the first album (save maybe Angels & Desperate) was about love in some way.
The fact that David has never actually been in a relationship before makes me not want love songs as much anyway. I would rather him sing about something he can relate to then random crap written by someone else that any other teenage male could be singing just to get his fangirls to scream more.
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Post by violet on Sept 17, 2010 20:40:31 GMT -5
RoarE - I think that's because you are reading what you want. I don't want it saturated nor cheesy.
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Post by Rurry on Sept 17, 2010 20:43:33 GMT -5
Well to me, love songs are kind of cheesy in nature most of the time.
Especially coming from David. I mean, You Can and To Be With You were good, but I doubt he was really able to relate to them much from a personal level. I'd rather him be singing songs he can relate to.
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Post by Gravity. on Sept 17, 2010 20:45:42 GMT -5
David needs to do some writing with John Mayer...just sayin'. John can teach David all about heartache. I hope that the entire album isn't "keep your chin up" songs. While I like what I've heard so far, I think that it'd make the album as a whole seem very one note.
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Post by Rurry on Sept 17, 2010 20:48:29 GMT -5
I don't think it will be. We've already heard two that aren't and there are a few others that don't seem like they will be (Falling Stars, My Kind of Perfect, maybe Complain). It will probably be the overall theme of the album but I'm sure not every track will be about it.
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