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Post by praepos on Feb 19, 2011 20:55:04 GMT -5
Such a shame to see someone so talented dropped. Maybe he'll be picked up by someone who appreciates him more. He'll always have a strong core fan base I think :) I wonder if he was in fact dropped. It may have been a mutual decision. He's smart, he could see he wasn't getting anywhere with Jive. They hadn't even bothered promoting the Xmas album which could easily have made gold had they shown some interest. Anyway, it won't be easy to put him down. This is a guy who can stand on a desk in a book shop and thrill fans with an extemporaneous concert. He's not going to stop singing--or stop touring and his core of fans will stick by him, now more than ever. They're not going anywhere. What he always needed more than anything was some time to take stock. He didn't get that inside the whirlwind of the last three years since AI. You can't force the flowers to bloom--which he tried doing with the second album. Imo he can only benefit from this break. My other thought was this: WEG wouldn't have been miffed by his break with them if they thought David had no future. The fact that they were annoyed speaks well of how they viewed his promise. I think they must have appreciated his potential, given his talent, his youth, and his built-in following.
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Post by atgs on Feb 21, 2011 9:09:08 GMT -5
I have yet to see proof of this. He he talented, I think what he's lacking is a head to move in this industry. I haven't seen any thing that shows me he is smart, actually, the other way around. All his decisions so far have been weak at best.
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Post by praepos on Feb 21, 2011 18:48:24 GMT -5
I have yet to see proof of this. He he talented, I think what he's lacking is a head to move in this industry. I haven't seen any thing that shows me he is smart, actually, the other way around. All his decisions so far have been weak at best. Why would you expect a kid who entered the industry at the ripe age of seventeen to make wise decisions right off the bat? Nobody's born with that kind of wisdom. You wise up as life--and a brutally tough industry--teaches their lessons. He has more than enough good intelligence to correct course.
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Post by atgs on Feb 21, 2011 21:07:43 GMT -5
For one thing, I don't see him as a kid. he's a 18/19/20 years old. And I think he has made more mistakes as he got older than he was doing when we first met him on American Idol. A thing called common sense is not so much to ask. Like, maybe picking a managemente in time and not after the album is ready and sent to the market. Maybe understanding his favorite song is not actually the one he sings the best and it comes cringe worthy on TV. Maybe graduating? Does one have to be really wise to "get" these things?
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Post by clarksodi on Feb 21, 2011 22:58:56 GMT -5
Common sense is really not that common, believe it or not. He has an incredible voice, good looks, and is very marketable. His problem is how sheltered, awkward, and clueless he appears to be about what he's doing--that huge misalignment of goals to a demographic was probably his biggest downfall. He is perfect as a puppet kind of star, but should really not be making any decisions. Just compare him to Bieber, who is way less talented but oozes of star power and confidence.
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Post by praepos on Feb 22, 2011 2:33:26 GMT -5
Anyone who thinks someone in the music business who's twenty years old is not still wet behind the ears--is wet behind the ears.
As for comparing David to Bieber--no thanks. Bieber's not a star, he's this year's flavor. David's talent is geared for the long haul. He'll be filling theaters long after Bieber's faded.
David only months ago appeared in a major Christmas special on NBC and performed on FOX on New Years' Eve. That doesn't sound as if he's had a "dowfall" to me. It sounds like he's got some brand identity--as someone wholesome with a big talent who producers turn to when they want family entertainment with a pinch of class. Not many of that kind around these days. So let's not get carried away by this change in career direction. In my book, it's exactly what he needed. Jive wasn't doing him any favors.
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Post by sugarcube on Feb 22, 2011 12:19:12 GMT -5
I've been a huge fan of David's since his AI days and he is a huge talent. I've seen a couple of his concerts and own all 3 CDs. I think clarsodi makes some good points. Part of the problem is that David has never really experienced life on his own at all until recently. Since he was a young kid he's been trying to break into the business with interruptions in schooling,etc. He can have the talent,love music,love to sing,etc.,but is it really what he wants to do for a living? Only he can answer those questions. Alot of his issues were problems with his label who wanted to make him into a pop star. Their bottom line is a profit and unfortunately David wasn't making them money a la Justin Bieber. I've read where he didn't want to promote himself because the label wanted him to sing songs that didn't fit with his moral values. they wanted radio hits. Most of mainstream CHR music today is all about what David isn't-autotuning,sexual lyrics,etc. I can see where the label would want to capitalize on him and try and get him to JB's level of success.They are a major pop label catering to CHR radio. He's super talented and good looking and can drive teen girls crazy. He can also sing anything. Although he probably could pull it off with image consultants,coaches,etc.,it isn't what he's about at all. I'm one that really believes he should take some time off,go to college,and learn about the world. He's been in a whirlwind for 3 years with AI,writing,recording,and touring. JMO,but I think getting some real life experience would be the best thing for him at this point. He may even return as an even better artist.There will always be a place for him in music. He just needs the time to figure out exactly where that is.
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Post by violet on Feb 22, 2011 17:06:24 GMT -5
What David says about it all
"Just wanted to fill you guys in on what's been happening lately with some of the decisions that have been on my mind lately. Sorry again for how long it is but wanted to make sure I got everything in. Had a great time with my little sister this weekend going to the Monster Jam, Six Flags, and other things. Been excited about songwriting too and can't wait for you guys to hear what may come from it!"
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Post by praepos on Feb 22, 2011 19:06:15 GMT -5
Songwriting? Uh-oh.
Nice to know Jive didn't drop him. It was his decision. But his strength as an artist has been his interpretative powers as a vocalist, not his writing--which he's not that good at. It's fine he knows he needs to get better at it, though. But he also needs to have something to say--and for that he'll need to get some life experience under his belt. He's going to have to carve out some time to start dating and forming relationships. That's what fans want him to sing about at this stage in his life. That's also what's commercially viable. It may seem shallow to say this--but it's what's pop has always been most about.
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Post by Peaches. [Ch, r. is] on Feb 22, 2011 19:27:27 GMT -5
Are those Banana plants behind him? o.O Sometimes he's annoyingly optimistic and positive. I wish he would've said at least one thing bad about Jive
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Post by Feelin'.$$$hady on Feb 22, 2011 19:47:46 GMT -5
He did 3 albums with them - that's success imo.
anyway...Lee Dewyze - you're next!
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Post by davidprincess on Feb 22, 2011 20:45:08 GMT -5
So Archie confirms that he was offered to stay! and he was the one who decided to leave-That might be true cause despite everything, Archie has sold a lot of records, his first album is Platinum if we count the worldwide sales. And I believe that Christmas from the heart has sold well too. And considering that Archie's music is not too played on the radio, 63,000 people bought 'the other side of down.' and believe it or not, in these times, 63,000 cds are 63,000 cds and without promo is a lot. :). So Archie still has loyal fans, and people still cares about him, when the news that he was dropped came out, these news were among the most popular on TMZ, EW, CNN, msn and others. Archie just needs better producers, because he can write songs i think. I love 'a little too not over you-He co-wrote that song.
I just hope he finds a new label soon. I want him to comeback strong. Archie has a great voice and has potential.
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Post by pnobelysk on Feb 23, 2011 23:18:36 GMT -5
He did 3 albums with them - that's success imo. anyway...Lee Dewyze - you're next! lee may get dropped but he aint jive. next on jives panis list should be: ciara, kris allen, and jordin. jordins 3rd era is starting and if it performs like davids 3rd era she ll be dropped. if kris can get more HOT AC hits he ll stay. ciara should release turn it up...she really should expected this from david :/ oh well. loved his first album, and did like somethin bout love.
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Post by Rurry on Feb 25, 2011 23:12:27 GMT -5
It's pretty obvious that what happened with David was that his contract expired and Jive probably told him that they'd be willing to renew it if he did the next album 'their way', David said no and therefore, they didn't renew his contract. I guess David didn't wanna outright say that but I think that's what he was trying to say. I was always kind of skeptical of the story of Jive outright dropping him because, for as poorly as TOSOD sold, I can't imagine Jive really put that much into it, so I doubt it was much of a loss for them, and his first album and Christmas album surely sold well enough to make up for whatever they *may* have lost on TOSOD - unlike say, Ciara and Jordin, who Jive seemed to at least put some sort of money in their recent projects and didn't get much in return. But obviously if David wanted to keep making less mainstream stuff (even moreso than TOSOD which I think was even sort of a compromise to an extent), there'd be no reason for Jive to keep him. So, this story makes more sense.
Jive is a mess anyway (also something David hinted at but didn't outright say), so it's not a loss. I'm all for him going a more low-key route which is what he seems to want to do. I just don't think David and the current mainstream industry really fit together. I could go into a whole essay on this topic but won't since..well, no1curr. But I'm pretty excited he's out of Jive's clutches and is now free to do what he wants.
As for the WEG thing - I think Jive probably pushed him to sign with them as well, so now that he's not with Jive he may as well get rid of them too. That's no loss either. Melinda did nothing except argue with fans on Twitter.
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Post by praepos on Feb 26, 2011 0:54:34 GMT -5
It's pretty obvious that what happened with David was that his contract expired and Jive probably told him that they'd be willing to renew it if he did the next album 'their way', David said no and therefore, they didn't renew his contract. I guess David didn't wanna outright say that but I think that's what he was trying to say. I was always kind of skeptical of the story of Jive outright dropping him because, for as poorly as TOSOD sold, I can't imagine Jive really put that much into it, so I doubt it was much of a loss for them, and his first album and Christmas album surely sold well enough to make up for whatever they *may* have lost on TOSOD - unlike say, Ciara and Jordin, who Jive seemed to at least put some sort of money in their recent projects and didn't get much in return. But obviously if David wanted to keep making less mainstream stuff (even moreso than TOSOD which I think was even sort of a compromise to an extent), there'd be no reason for Jive to keep him. So, this story makes more sense. Jive is a mess anyway (also something David hinted at but didn't outright say), so it's not a loss. I'm all for him going a more low-key route which is what he seems to want to do. I just don't think David and the current mainstream industry really fit together. I could go into a whole essay on this topic but won't since..well, no1curr. But I'm pretty excited he's out of Jive's clutches and is now free to do what he wants. As for the WEG thing - I think Jive probably pushed him to sign with them as well, so now that he's not with Jive he may as well get rid of them too. That's no loss either. Melinda did nothing except argue with fans on Twitter. I agree with all you've said. I worry, though, about the conflict between what David does best vocally and the direction he's headed in creatively. It doesn't seem as if these aspects of his musicianship are compatible. It could be he can do both well. We'll see. But yes, I'm glad he left Jive. It never appreciated his talent.
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Post by pnobelysk on Feb 26, 2011 9:25:45 GMT -5
It's pretty obvious that what happened with David was that his contract expired and Jive probably told him that they'd be willing to renew it if he did the next album 'their way', David said no and therefore, they didn't renew his contract. I guess David didn't wanna outright say that but I think that's what he was trying to say. I was always kind of skeptical of the story of Jive outright dropping him because, for as poorly as TOSOD sold, I can't imagine Jive really put that much into it, so I doubt it was much of a loss for them, and his first album and Christmas album surely sold well enough to make up for whatever they *may* have lost on TOSOD - unlike say, Ciara and Jordin, who Jive seemed to at least put some sort of money in their recent projects and didn't get much in return. But obviously if David wanted to keep making less mainstream stuff (even moreso than TOSOD which I think was even sort of a compromise to an extent), there'd be no reason for Jive to keep him. So, this story makes more sense. Jive is a mess anyway (also something David hinted at but didn't outright say), so it's not a loss. I'm all for him going a more low-key route which is what he seems to want to do. I just don't think David and the current mainstream industry really fit together. I could go into a whole essay on this topic but won't since..well, no1curr. But I'm pretty excited he's out of Jive's clutches and is now free to do what he wants. As for the WEG thing - I think Jive probably pushed him to sign with them as well, so now that he's not with Jive he may as well get rid of them too. That's no loss either. Melinda did nothing except argue with fans on Twitter. i agree with everything minus when you said jordin had a bigger money loss than daivd. i bet they were really close or maybe jordin even less. jordins album sold around triple of what davids did. jordin has a 1.5 million selling single, and im pretty sure her second single sold more than SBL.
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Post by violet on Feb 26, 2011 19:23:07 GMT -5
New charity drive at Angels for a Cause gifting TOSOD to Children's Hospitals
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Post by praepos on Mar 3, 2011 7:04:47 GMT -5
From The Editing Room Floor re an interview with David who will open for Brad Paisley on July 2 for the annual Stadium of Fire concert. I thought this was interesting. A million people wanted tickets to hear David sing. So why didn't they buy his album? Two possible reasons: either they didn't know about it or they just didn't like the album enough to buy it. Obviously there's a market for him out there since people know and appreciate his talent. --He needs to tap into it by finding out what they want from him. I don't think it's Elevator. theeditingroomfloor.blogspot.com/2011/02/david-archuleta-life-is-tough-but-life.html
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Post by sugarcube on Mar 3, 2011 12:01:39 GMT -5
I'm guessing that it was a combination of both-people didn't know about and/or people didn't like some of the songs on it like Elevator. I read on other fansites that he has upcoming gigs before SOF this summer. I'm wondering if he has already signed with a new label and/or management. I was reading some fansites where there was some speculation that he might work with Richard again because Richard has a new studio. JMO,but I hope it's not true. I know David feels the most comfortable with his friends and family members but I just don't think it does alot for his public image. I realize he doesn't want to be a big star but I hope he gets a professional label and management involved so that his next project will be top notch. He has so much talent and if he gets the right songwriters,etc. to work with him I know he can sell. I'm sure he's made alot of good contacts in the industry in the past 3 years and I hope he utilizes them this time around.
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Post by Chris Ng on Mar 4, 2011 23:26:27 GMT -5
I have yet to see proof of this. He he talented, I think what he's lacking is a head to move in this industry. I haven't seen any thing that shows me he is smart, actually, the other way around. All his decisions so far have been weak at best. Why would you expect a kid who entered the industry at the ripe age of seventeen to make wise decisions right off the bat? Nobody's born with that kind of wisdom. You wise up as life--and a brutally tough industry--teaches their lessons. He has more than enough good intelligence to correct course. But Avril/Britney/Rihanna/Christina/Ciara and even Justin became famous when they were under 20 years old and they have lasted longer than most of the pop stars in the business (Avril/Brit/Christina have lasted for a decade). I agree that he's still young and may make few mistake but there isn't an excuse for being irrelevant at this moment. But like i said, he was still young. He might learn his lesson and may come back stronger in the future. Who knows ? :)
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Post by Sway on Mar 4, 2011 23:41:18 GMT -5
The truth of the matter is, he has no sex appeal, which is a deadly factor in the industry. Sure there are rare examples of having success with no sex appeal, but David wasn't going to be one of them. And David is a very cute guy, but doesn't use his looks to his advantage unfortunately.
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Post by praepos on Mar 5, 2011 2:11:22 GMT -5
But Avril/Britney/Rihanna/Christina/Ciara and even Justin became famous when they were under 20 years old and they have lasted longer than most of the pop stars in the business (Avril/Brit/Christina have lasted for a decade). I agree that he's still young and may make few mistake but there isn't an excuse for being irrelevant at this moment. But like i said, he was still young. He might learn his lesson and may come back stronger in the future. Who knows ? :) Many of the stars you mention have people behind them making the tough decisions. The greatest superstars--Elvis, the Beatles, Michael Jackson--had older business men running the show behind the scenes. Some were business geniuses. But beyond that--many of the greatest performers--Sinatra comes to mind-- made bad decisions too--and learned from them. He went from huge success to huge failure to even greater later-life success. The point is, people aren't born wise, they learn from experience. There's no other way. It's no disgrace to fail when you're just starting out. The disgrace is to make the same stupid mistakes over and over. And I disagree that David is irrelevant at this point. He has sold a lot of records. He's been on the major networks. He's huge in Asia. He's the go-to guy on holidays like the Fourth of July and Christmas--he'll be opening for Brad Paisley, for instance, on July 2 in a Provo stadium. Sure he hasn't hit the pinacle--yet--but is that the only way to judge success in such a crowded field with such few top slots and in such a short time? Besides, if it was David who ended the relationship with Jive--we don't know what the future holds for him. He may already have another label lined up and may be moving on to even greater things. We don't know at this point. So calling him irrelevant is premature. More likely, he's pausing to take stock. But the talent is still there and will always be there and will only get better once he figures things out. He'll always be able to fill theaters with his voice for years to come. In this respect he differs from a flavor-of-the-month singer like the untalented Justin Bieber who will go the way of the Jonas Brothers once he grows a beard. The truth of the matter is, he has no sex appeal, which is a deadly factor in the industry. Sure there are rare examples of having success with no sex appeal, but David wasn't going to be one of them. And David is a very cute guy, but doesn't use his looks to his advantage unfortunately. Sexy is in the eye of the beholder. A lot of girls find not trying too hard pretty sexy. Watch his video of No Air with Jordan Sparks. Lots of sexy energy there. It's never overt, but it's there. David makes love to his fans--he caresses them with his voice. Watch Contigo or No Air with Jordan Sparks or When You Say You Love Me. Very sexy stuff and the girls go wild. He also flirts with them a lot. People who say he lacks sex appeal have never seen him perform live.
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Post by SPRΞΞ on Mar 5, 2011 2:30:03 GMT -5
The truth of the matter is, he has no sex appeal, which is a deadly factor in the industry. Sure there are rare examples of having success with no sex appeal, but David wasn't going to be one of them. And David is a very cute guy, but doesn't use his looks to his advantage unfortunately. exactly. The dude needs to get laid or something.
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Post by clarksodi on Mar 5, 2011 2:31:31 GMT -5
^ Denial, much? The ones Ramona mentioned aren't smart because they run the whole show. They're smart because they know they can't run the whole show alone and surround themselves with experts who understand the business. They follow their advice and are open to it. Archuleta has an incredible voice but he also has the worst possible judgement to be running the whole show or even listen to what the label likely recommended. And his so called songwriting is simply abysmal.
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Post by praepos on Mar 5, 2011 2:45:50 GMT -5
^ Denial, much? The ones Ramona mentioned aren't smart because they run the whole show. They're smart because they know they can't run the whole show alone and surround themselves with experts who understand the business. They follow their advice and are open to it. Archuleta has an incredible voice but he also has the worst possible judgement to be running the whole show or even listen to what the label likely recommended. And his so called songwriting is simply abysmal. Actually, I agree with half of what you say. He's too inner-directed and is making bad musical decisions. But sooner-or-later he'll realize this--because that's where the money is, in his vocals. But he was right to pass on Jive. Jive never "got" David who has a broad demographic appeal. They tried to market him exclusively to very young kids--and that strategy was a disaster.
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Post by Sway on Mar 5, 2011 6:22:20 GMT -5
Sexy is in the eye of the beholder. A lot of girls find not trying too hard pretty sexy. Watch his video of No Air with Jordan Sparks. Lots of sexy energy there. It's never overt, but it's there. David makes love to his fans--he caresses them with his voice. Watch Contigo or No Air with Jordan Sparks or When You Say You Love Me. Very sexy stuff and the girls go wild. He also flirts with them a lot. People who say he lacks sex appeal have never seen him perform live. His fans might find his sex appeal, but the rest of the public doesn't. That's the problem. Not to mention he doesn't own it. Like I said, he's cute, and has a wonderful voice, but he really needs to own it if he wants to have a chance at a career. I mean, all the male singer/song-writers have some level of sex appeal, because they know it's good for them. Also because it's just natural. It's like David actually tries not to be sexy.
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Post by praepos on Mar 5, 2011 6:41:41 GMT -5
Own it--no. Sex appeal is something you either have or haven't got. By having it, you already own it. You're confusing having it with flaunting it. But people who flaunt it cheapen what they've got.
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Post by Dammn Baby on Mar 5, 2011 7:22:06 GMT -5
The truth of the matter is, he has no sex appeal, which is a deadly factor in the industry. Sure there are rare examples of having success with no sex appeal, but David wasn't going to be one of them. And David is a very cute guy, but doesn't use his looks to his advantage unfortunately. He's unf**kable - practically asexual, really. He's "cute" in the way that Aaron Carter was "cute" when he was 14.
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Post by Chris Ng on Mar 5, 2011 8:07:10 GMT -5
The truth of the matter is, he has no sex appeal, which is a deadly factor in the industry. Sure there are rare examples of having success with no sex appeal, but David wasn't going to be one of them. And David is a very cute guy, but doesn't use his looks to his advantage unfortunately. What ??? I don't think it's even a matter if you're truthly talented. Look at Adele, Kelly Clarkson, Norah Jones...for example. Otherwise, i think he's good-looking enough (and i'm not even a fan). The problem is his songs are medicore. In my opinion, they didn't bring anything fresh into this business. I love Crush and espcially Something about love. But the on the first listen, i knew that SAB wouldn't be a hit for him. I hoped that he at least did ok with that song but i was shocked when it didn't even debut in Top 100
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Post by praepos on Mar 5, 2011 16:55:31 GMT -5
The truth of the matter is, he has no sex appeal, which is a deadly factor in the industry. Sure there are rare examples of having success with no sex appeal, but David wasn't going to be one of them. And David is a very cute guy, but doesn't use his looks to his advantage unfortunately. What ??? I don't think it's even a matter if you're truthly talented. Look at Adele, Kelly Clarkson, Norah Jones...for example. Otherwise, i think he's good-looking enough (and i'm not even a fan). The problem is his songs are medicore. In my opinion, they didn't bring anything fresh into this business. I love Crush and espcially Something about love. But the on the first listen, i knew that SAB wouldn't be a hit for him. I hoped that he at least did ok with that song but i was shocked when it didn't even debut in Top 100 I agree the album was mediocre. Not bad, just not that good when he needed something terrific to break through to the next level. That he pushed Elevator when so many people disliked it was an indicator of his poor judgment. Which is why I've always thought he was something of an egotist--despite his reputation for humility. So, yeah, he needs somebody to tell him he's wrong--and there's nobody around who does that--except fans like myself who didn't buy his album on principle. On the other hand, he's basically a good kid and what he needed most of all was a huge flop to rein in his runaway ego, a good kick-in-the-pants. He was taking himself too seriously as a moral model--and sending self-conscious messages through his music--maybe because he had nothing else to give. That's no way to be a pop star. If he couldn't be honest with himself, then he needed to lean on other, more experienced, better writers for his material. The important thing should have been showcasing his vocals and his soulfulness.
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