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Post by Donnie5 on Feb 8, 2010 22:41:42 GMT -5
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Post by David on Feb 9, 2010 0:42:32 GMT -5
When you have people like Flo Rida who have MASSIVE hits and albums not selling s**t and then you have people who do AMAZING performances without a hit (Pink, for example) selling, you gotta question how much airplay really has to do with it. Yes, it definitely does influence sales, but I'm not sure its as much as people think.
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Post by Love Plastic Love on Feb 9, 2010 1:02:41 GMT -5
When you have people like Flo Rida who have MASSIVE hits and albums not selling s**t and then you have people who do AMAZING performances without a hit (Pink, for example) selling, you gotta question how much airplay really has to do with it. Yes, it definitely does influence sales, but I'm not sure its as much as people think. It obviously depends on the artist and the song and the circumstances. But, typically higher sales come with successful radio eras. See Lady Gaga-she wouldn't have sold 8 million cds worldwide without any radio hits at all. Same with tons of other artists who saw increased/steady sales with airplay hits/performances. Exceptions always exist, of course. |
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Post by Tanisha Thomas. on Feb 9, 2010 1:09:49 GMT -5
When you have people like Flo Rida who have MASSIVE hits and albums not selling s**t and then you have people who do AMAZING performances without a hit (Pink, for example) selling, you gotta question how much airplay really has to do with it. Yes, it definitely does influence sales, but I'm not sure its as much as people think. It obviously depends on the artist and the song and the circumstances. But, typically higher sales come with successful radio eras. See Lady Gaga-she wouldn't have sold 8 million cds worldwide without any radio hits at all. Same with tons of other artists who saw increased/steady sales with airplay hits/performances. Exceptions always exist, of course. Actually, I think it's more common in this era to have a huge radio hit that doesn't translate into strong or solid album sales. |
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Post by neverduplicated on Feb 9, 2010 5:27:05 GMT -5
Radio play can definitely help generate sales. No doubt that most top-selling albums probably wouldn't have sold so much without radio play. However, I think there's another factor that goes into it: whether people want a song or an artist. While Flo-Rida may have had some massive hits, for whatever reason, he just doesn't interest people. They wanted to buy those songs, but they didn't want to invest in the artist. I'm not sure what exactly accounts for that, but part of it has to do with creating a persona that people connect with. Flo-Rida must not have a persona that connects with people well.
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Post by yosafbridge on Feb 9, 2010 5:46:18 GMT -5
However, I think there's another factor that goes into it: whether people want a song or an artist. While Flo-Rida may have had some massive hits, for whatever reason, he just doesn't interest people. They wanted to buy those songs, but they didn't want to invest in the artist. I'm not sure what exactly accounts for that, but part of it has to do with creating a persona that people connect with. Flo-Rida must not have a persona that connects with people well. ^^^^ I agree with the bolded part especially. I'm not here to get involved in the discussion about the importance of radio airplay in determining album sales.I DO want to to point out though an aspect of neverduplicated's post that I find particularly insightful. There seems to be 2 different psychologies at play when it comes to buying singles vs buying albums. People buy singles when they want some mindless ear candy to distract them for 3-5 minutes. Albums on the other hand are seen,rightly or wrongly, as an artistic statement or manifesto by an artist : " his/her perspective on some aspect of life." Breaking it down into the most SIMPLISTIC TERMS : If you want to be a singles-only artist,fill your songs with as many hooks as possible and try to be novel/shocking in your lyrics in order to attract short-term interest.(in other words,shut up and sing,no one really wants to know what you had for breakfast) If you want to be a viable albums-artist, try to portray yourself an someone whose life people would be interested in following and as someone who has something interesting to say.Get people emotionally invested in YOU as a person.Release humorous little blogs/tweets at regular intervals, keeping your fans updated on what you're doing in your personal and artistic life. Naturally,strategy number 2 requires more time and effort in nurturing a fanbase but the payoff is probably greater buyer loyalty and longevity as an artist. |
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Post by Tanisha Thomas. on Feb 9, 2010 9:54:22 GMT -5
Yes, but the point is radio airplay doesn't guarantee strong sales. There are many things you have to take into account. Radio airplay isn't the only thing that pushes album to Platinum or Double Platinum. This case has been proven time again, and I wish people would stop using it for every case.
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Post by slw84 on Feb 9, 2010 10:36:37 GMT -5
However, I think there's another factor that goes into it: whether people want a song or an artist. While Flo-Rida may have had some massive hits, for whatever reason, he just doesn't interest people. They wanted to buy those songs, but they didn't want to invest in the artist. I'm not sure what exactly accounts for that, but part of it has to do with creating a persona that people connect with. Flo-Rida must not have a persona that connects with people well. ^^^^ I agree with the bolded part especially. I'm not here to get involved in the discussion about the importance of radio airplay in determining album sales.I DO want to to point out though an aspect of neverduplicated's post that I find particularly insightful. There seems to be 2 different psychologies at play when it comes to buying singles vs buying albums. People buy singles when they want some mindless ear candy to distract them for 3-5 minutes. Albums on the other hand are seen,rightly or wrongly, as an artistic statement or manifesto by an artist : " his/her perspective on some aspect of life." Breaking it down into the most SIMPLISTIC TERMS : If you want to be a singles-only artist,fill your songs with as many hooks as possible and try to be novel/shocking in your lyrics in order to attract short-term interest.(in other words,shut up and sing,no one really wants to know what you had for breakfast) If you want to be a viable albums-artist, try to portray yourself an someone whose life people would be interested in following and as someone who has something interesting to say.Get people emotionally invested in YOU as a person.Release humorous little blogs/tweets at regular intervals, keeping your fans updated on what you're doing in your personal and artistic life. Naturally,strategy number 2 requires more time and effort in nurturing a fanbase but the payoff is probably greater buyer loyalty and longevity as an artist. You hit it on the nail with this statement. |
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Post by musicrocks on Feb 9, 2010 10:56:49 GMT -5
I love when the conversations here are actually intelligent lol. Just to back up yosafbridge's comment, take Ke$ha for example. Tik Tok just started blowing up and people thought her album would not sell at all and she would be a singles artist like Flo Rida. But I think because she's so damn crazy, she interests people. People wanna found out about all the crazy stuff she did and the music based is in her life, as she said before. And the result: A #1 debut with a great total for early January.
Now we have to see if she can stand the test of time and stay consistent with sales (I feel it might be too early to tell but it does look like people are losing interest BUT we can't forget the effect of a good hit which Blah Blah Blah is turning into so Idk lol).
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Post by Deleted on Feb 9, 2010 15:47:35 GMT -5
CHART DATE: 02/08/2010
LAST UPDATE: 02/09/2010 12:47:19
NOW IN: FINAL
LW TW artist / album label power index % change
1 1 LADY ANTEBELLUM CAPITOL NASHVILLE/EMI 201,426 -58%
NEED YOU NOW
-- 2 LIL WAYNE CASH MONEY/UNIV MOTOWN 173,821 --
REBIRTH
-- 3 NICK JONAS & THE ADMINISTRATION HOLLYWOOD 83,963 --
WHO I AM
3 4 LADY GAGA INTERSCOPE 83,520 +25%
FAME
10 5 BLACK EYED PEAS INTERSCOPE 70,462 +77%
E.N.D. (ENERGY NEVER DIES)
8 6 2010 GRAMMY NOMINEES CAPITOL/EMI 69,728 +63%
VARIOUS ARTISTS
12 7 TAYLOR SWIFT BIG MACHINE 52,155 +55%
FEARLESS
6 8 SUSAN BOYLE COLUMBIA 46,716 -16%
I DREAMED A DREAM
-- 9 ROB ZOMBIE ROADRUNNER 44,027 --
HELLBILLY DELUXE 2
23 10 ZAC BROWN BAND ATLANTIC 39,239 +79%
FOUNDATION
39 11 BEYONCE MUSIC WORLD/COLUMBIA 36,922 +158%
I AM... SASHA FIERCE
14 12 LADY GAGA INTERSCOPE 34,316 +11%
FAME MONSTER (EP)
11 13 ALICIA KEYS J RECORDS/RMG 33,739 -13%
ELEMENT OF FREEDOM
-- 14 P!NK LAFACE/JLG 32,630 --
FUNHOUSE
4 15 MICHAEL JACKSON EPIC 32,333 -45%
THIS IS IT
29 16 CARRIE UNDERWOOD 19/ARISTA NASHVILLE 32,047 +76%
PLAY ON
17 17 MARY J. BLIGE GEFFEN 29,860 +3%
STRONGER WITH EACH TEAR
16 18 KE$HA KEMOSABE/RCA/RMG 29,787 -1%
ANIMAL
2 19 HOPE FOR HAITI NOW HOPE FOR HAITI 29,013 -79%
VARIOUS ARTISTS
19 20 JUSTIN BIEBER ISLAND/IDJMG 28,860 +9%
MY WORLD
15 21 LADY ANTEBELLUM CAPITOL NASHVILLE/EMI 25,982 -16%
LADY ANTEBELLUM
20 22 MICHAEL BUBLE REPRISE 25,197 -3%
CRAZY LOVE
21 23 RIHANNA DEF JAM/IDJ 24,543 0%
RATED R
35 24 KINGS OF LEON RCA/RMG 23,863 +61%
ONLY BY THE NIGHT
13 25 KIDZ BOP KIDS RAZOR & TIE 22,992 -28%
KIDZ BOP 17
24 26 ALVIN & THE CHIPMUNKS RHINO 22,970 +5%
THE SQUEAKQUEL
37 27 JAY-Z ROC NATION/ATLANTIC 20,306 +40%
BLUEPRINT 3
26 28 YOUNG MONEY CASH MONEY/UNIV MOTOWN 19,956 +2%
WE ARE YOUNG MONEY
27 29 OWL CITY UNIVERSAL REPUBLIC 19,759 +5%
OCEAN EYES
30 30 NOW THAT'S WHAT I CALL MUSIC SONY MUSIC 19,135 +9%
NOW 32
40 31 EMINEM SHADY/AFTERMATH/INT 19,031 +34%
RELAPSE
33 32 JASON ALDEAN BROKEN BOW 18,734 +17%
WIDE OPEN
43 33 TREY SONGZ ATLANTIC 18,209 +44%
READY
31 34 MICHAEL JACKSON EPIC 18,019 +9%
NUMBER ONES
22 35 VAMPIRE WEEKEND XL/BEGGARS 17,663 -26%
CONTRA
25 36 JOHN MAYER COLUMBIA 17,120 -18%
BATTLE STUDIES
7 37 CORINNE BAILEY RAE CAPITOL/EMI 16,990 -68%
THE SEA
36 38 MELANIE FIONA SRC/UNIVERSAL MOTOWN 16,640 +14%
THE BRIDGE
9 39 CELTIC WOMAN MANHATTAN/EMI 16,044 -60%
SONGS FROM THE HEART
32 40 NOW THAT'S WHAT I CALL LOVE CAPITOL/EMI 15,500 -4%
VARIOUS ARTISTS
42 41 SELENA GOMEZ & THE SCENE HOLLYWOOD 14,942 +15%
KISS & TELL
-- 42 MAXWELL COLUMBIA 14,363 --
BLACKSUMMERS'NIGHT
45 43 NICKELBACK ROADRUNNER 14,091 +14%
DARK HORSE
41 44 ROBIN THICKE STAR TRAK/INTERSCOPE 13,914 -1%
SEX THERAPY
48 45 GUCCI MANE WARNER BROS. 13,848 +28%
STATE VS. RADRIC DAVIS
38 46 ADAM LAMBERT 19/RCA/RMG 13,467 -6%
FOR YOUR ENTERTAINMENT
-- 47 DAVE MATTHEWS BAND RCA/RMG 13,004 --
BIG WHISKEY & THE GROOGRUX KING
-- 48 CRAZY HEART NEW WEST RECORDS 12,935 --
SOUNDTRACK
44 49 DARIUS RUCKER CAPITOL NASHVILLE/EMI 12,747 +1%
LEARN TO LIVE
18 50 SPOON MERGE 12,523 -54%
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Post by cartman2002 on Feb 9, 2010 16:35:25 GMT -5
For the second week in a row, The top 10 albums sold more copies than the top 10 did last year due to the Grammys.
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Post by Typo on Feb 9, 2010 16:41:21 GMT -5
My baby's sales increase.  |
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Post by Tanisha Thomas. on Feb 9, 2010 16:43:46 GMT -5
^ Um, Grammy effect?  |
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Post by Typo on Feb 9, 2010 16:48:13 GMT -5
^ Um, Grammy effect?  Do you think I didn't know that? Stay pressed.  Get ready for that Super Bowl affect this week. |
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Post by HolidayGuy on Feb 9, 2010 17:00:45 GMT -5
Gaga and Swift didn't gain as much, percentage-wise, as other acts. Pink's percentage gain probably is something like 250% (if she did around 9K last week).
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Post by slw84 on Feb 9, 2010 17:00:46 GMT -5
^ Um, Grammy effect? Do you think I didn't know that? Stay pressed. Get ready for that Super Bowl affect this week. Ouch...I love it.  |
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Post by slw84 on Feb 9, 2010 17:04:03 GMT -5
Gaga and Swift didn't gain as much, percentage-wise, as other acts. Pink's percentage gain probably is something like 250% (if she did around 9K last week). Yeah, it might have to do with the fact that Gaga, Taylor and others were already charting high. Considering Pink and even Beyonce were kinda lower on the chart so a boost would appear even more drastic. I am glad that BEP are having longevity. I really didn't expect it from them (album wise). Congrats to all the grammy winners. |
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Post by Tanisha Thomas. on Feb 9, 2010 17:06:22 GMT -5
Gaga and Swift didn't gain as much, percentage-wise, as other acts. Pink's percentage gain probably is something like 250% (if she did around 9K last week). Yeah, it might have to do with the fact that Gaga, Taylor and others were already charting high. Considering Pink and even Beyonce were kinda lower on the chart so a boost would appear even more drastic. I am glad that BEP are having longevity. I really didn't expect it from them (album wise). Congrats to all the grammy winners. Yes, that's probably what it is. |
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Post by HolidayGuy on Feb 9, 2010 17:28:06 GMT -5
Yeah, I thought that as well. Pink looks to have gained 20K and change- same for Gaga and Swift, I think. Beyonce gained a bit morethan 20K, though, no?
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Post by Black Jesus on Feb 9, 2010 17:40:10 GMT -5
WOW @ Lady A staying above 200k! Smash!
I'm so happy with GaGa's over 110k combined sales :)
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Post by musicjunky318 on Feb 9, 2010 17:41:12 GMT -5
How much do you have to sell to be certified Gold?
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Post by Tanisha Thomas. on Feb 9, 2010 18:12:08 GMT -5
How much do you have to sell to be certified Gold? Is this a sarcastic question? The question should be "how much do you have to ship to be certified Gold?" |
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Post by pnobelysk on Feb 9, 2010 18:12:51 GMT -5
How much do you have to sell to be certified Gold? well to be certified gold 500,000 must be shipped out. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 9, 2010 18:15:35 GMT -5
12 7 TAYLOR SWIFT BIG MACHINE 52,155 +55%
FEARLESS
Top 10 Again :)
39 11 BEYONCE MUSIC WORLD/COLUMBIA 36,922 +158%
I AM... SASHA FIERCE
Almost top 10 again :)
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Post by Creme de la Creme on Feb 9, 2010 18:49:39 GMT -5
LADY EFFIN' A
Lil Wayne, Nick Jonas, Rob Zombie Bow in Top 10, but It's All About the Grammy Spikes
February 9, 2010
In a week filled with impressive Grammy spikes, Capitol Nashville’s Lady Antebellum continue to rule the roost, spending a second week at #1 with 200k+ sold, sending the album close to 700k total.
Cash Money/Universal Motown rapper Lil Wayne will have to celebrate the #2 debut of his rock album, Rebirth, with 174k behind bars on his gun possession charge. After he takes a trip to the dentist, of course. Wouldn’t want to risk that grill in prison.
The week’s other top newcomer is Hollywood’s moonlighting Nick Jonas & the Administration’s Who I Am, a #3 bow numbering 84k, while Roadrunner’s Rob Zombie sequel, Hellbilly Deluxe 2, comes in at #9.
A pair of albums from Jimmy Iovine’s Interscope label, Lady Gaga’s The Fame deluxe edition (#4) and Black Eyed Peas’ resurgent The E.N.D. (#5, +77%) round out the Top 5.
Capitol/EMI’s 2010 Grammy Nominees (#6, +63%), Big Machine’s Taylor Swift (#7, +55%), Columbia’s Susan Boyle (#8) and Atlantic’s Zac Brown Band (#10, +79%) complete the leader board.
Biggest winner of the week is LaFace/JLG’s Pink, who literally climbed to the ceiling to catapult Funhouse back to #14, where it went up almost 400%, thanks to the superstar’s performance of “Glitter in the Air” at the Grammys.
Columbia six-time winner Beyonce’s I Am… Sasha Fierce leads the other gainers, up a whopping 158%, #39-11, with 19/Arista Nashville’s Carrie Underwood (#29-16, +76%), RCA/RMG’s Kings of Leon (#35-24, +61%) and Roc Nation/Atlantic’s Jay-Z (#37-27) all getting post-Grammy love.
Columbia’s Maxwell (#42), RCA/RMG’s Dave Matthews Band (#47) and New West’s Oscar-nominated Crazy Heart soundtrack (#48) each return to the Top 50.
Epic’s Sade tops the list of releases in-store and online this week, along with MCA Nashville’s Josh Turner, RCA/RMG’s Dave Matthews/Tim Reynolds live album, Atlantic’s Jaheim and Big Machine’s Valentine’s Day soundtrack.
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Post by galvanize on Feb 9, 2010 18:56:47 GMT -5
GET IT Sade! If they go to #1 and Massive Attack sneak into the top 20/30, that's enough to make me happy.  |
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Post by areyoureadytojump on Feb 9, 2010 19:28:13 GMT -5
How much do you have to sell to be certified Gold? I would say around 350-375k SoundScaned. Albums have been certified for less. |
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Post by aTunes on Feb 9, 2010 20:17:19 GMT -5
So happy for Pink. Talk about a Grammy spike! Even more amazing, she was hardly up for anything. It was all her performance that did it.
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Post by Oprah on Feb 9, 2010 20:54:41 GMT -5
So you guys are saying that airplay hits have absolutely nothing to do with selling an album in any case? No, I don't think having hit singles guarantees a hit album, and several artists are a testament of that. Of course it does for some, but not necessarily the majority or all. Lil Wayne clearly isn't Flo Ridah so that point is moot. Most artists need airplay hits to sell their albums to people besides hardcore st@ns. |
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Post by Tanisha Thomas. on Feb 9, 2010 21:47:21 GMT -5
No, I don't think having hit singles guarantees a hit album, and several artists are a testament of that. Of course it does for some, but not necessarily the majority or all. Lil Wayne clearly isn't Flo Ridah so that point is moot. Most artists need airplay hits to sell their albums to people besides hardcore st@ns. Neither is Jay Sean or anyone else who had a hit song but flopped album. I didn't say Lil Wayne was a Flo Rida (I didn't mention him in that particular post), but you said that a hit radio single sells albums, and that is clearly not the case for many artists. Flo Rida is not the only artist who saw failure with a hit radio single. He's just one of many. You need more than just an iTunes or CHR/Pop hit to sell records. Everyone should know that by now. |
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