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Post by Choco on Mar 29, 2010 15:33:14 GMT -5
And then we have one-hit-wonders. People could care less about the album, but they will remember the single. (Sir Mix a Lot's Baby Got Back, for example).
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Post by Love Plastic Love on Mar 29, 2010 15:55:44 GMT -5
20 years from now i doubt if you didnt have a hit album people are going to remember your single.... I think he's saying successful singles are more likely to stay in the public mind more so than successful albums. I certainly think the average person would be more likely to remember the name of a successful single over the album from which it was released. Also, as we all are well aware, you don't have to have a hugely successful album to have a hugely successful single. I think the albums that are easily recognized abroad (over their respective singles) are few and far between. How many average individuals (aka people who don't feverishly research chart positions and music statistics) do you think would automatically associate Irreplaceable with B'Day, or Hero with Music Box, or Since U Been Gone with Breakaway, or Un-Break My Heart with Secrets etc? I'd say most would recognize the singles but wouldn't be able to give you the title of their respective album to save their life. They may not be able to give you a title, but they can name the artist. I think successful albums lead to the longevity and name of an artist. Do you think more people in America could name Taylor Swift or Flo'Rida? If they can name both, which one will last? Is Flo'rida all over the grammy awards? Every awards show? Is he constantly on commercials/print ads? Do you think Taylor would be if her album had just now barely scanned 500K? Why not Flo'rida over Taylor? He has had two of the biggest singles ever. Why isn't Bowling for Soup just as big and respected as pretty much any artist out there? They have had several huge hit singles. People may remember the singles, but very, very rarely does the artist become a part of mainstream culture and lasting forever-known for their NAME and not just a single title-if they cannot sell albums. Labels put a lot more money and effort into developing a lasting career for artists who can sell albums. Public recognition of a hit song is just that-not a career and not an artist. That is why I think album sales are probably more important and why even artists admit they would rather sell millions of cds over millions of digital singles. The relationship is complex, of course. I just don't think it is as clear cut as saying one or the other doesn't matter at all or the average joe can name a song so the song is more important. |
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Post by 👑 Eloquent ™ on Mar 29, 2010 17:49:16 GMT -5
Is Flo'rida all over the grammy awards? Every awards show? Is he constantly on commercials/print ads? Yes, but winning awards (as well as being nominated for awards) can be attributed to album sales as well as successful singles. Also, an artist can acquire ads without selling a ton of albums. Rihanna garnered a Cover Girl contract on the back of what many considered to be average (nothing spectacular) album sales. Meanwhile, she did have a series of hugely successful singles. Do you think Taylor would be anywhere near 6 million had the album not produced a single hit? The buyer typically purchases the album for and because of the singles. We were discussing how well the public retained successful albums as compared to successful singles. Retaining the artist typically requires both and is a different discussion. Yes, I never said album sales didn't matter. I never even said I believed they were inferior to single success. I simply said a successful single, more often than not, will stay with the public longer (or even at any level) over a successful album. Which I believe to be the most important is a totally different discussion. For the record: From a business standpoint (and in my own personal opinion), album sales are obviously more important than single success overall (though I do believe single success is extremely important as well). |
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Post by Tanisha Thomas. on Mar 29, 2010 18:29:52 GMT -5
Two bands that were able to still sell a lot of records without many hits records are Sade and Led Zeppelin.
I think Sade has accumulated a total of 5 top 40 hits and only two of them made the top 10 I believe. Yet all of their studio albums, minus the new one, have been certified 3-5x Platinum. The new one may not scan as much, but it's definitely a huge success for today's standards.
I think it's all relative. But there are several cases where artists were able to sell without hit singles.
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Post by 👑 Eloquent ™ on Mar 29, 2010 18:36:40 GMT -5
I think it's all relative. But there are several cases where artists were able to sell without hit singles. No one said there weren't cases where artists were able to sell albums without hit singles. However, they are absolutely the exception and not the rule. |
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Post by Tanisha Thomas. on Mar 29, 2010 18:40:27 GMT -5
And Sade and Led Zeppelin may not have many "hits," but a lot of people are familiar with their music (tracks, singles, albums, etc.).
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Post by Tanisha Thomas. on Mar 29, 2010 18:45:19 GMT -5
I think it's all relative. But there are several cases where artists were able to sell without hit singles. No one said there weren't cases where artists were able to sell albums without hit singles. However, they are absolutely the exception and not the rule. That's all nice and dandy, and this debate is really tired at this point. At the end of the day, whether the general public cares about singles moreso than albums, won't matter. The label won't care about how many singles you sell if you can't move albums. That's just the truth. |
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Post by 👑 Eloquent ™ on Mar 29, 2010 18:47:49 GMT -5
And Sade and Led Zeppelin may not have many "hits," but a lot of people are familiar with their music (tracks, singles, albums, etc.). Perhaps, though I'd be willing to bet the majority (had they actually heard of Sade) would remember the group for Smooth Operator (arguably their most successful single). On a side note, I didn't even know Sade was a group until this year (and I've been familiar with some of their previous work for quite some time). lol |
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Post by as485y on Mar 30, 2010 9:04:21 GMT -5
No one said there weren't cases where artists were able to sell albums without hit singles. However, they are absolutely the exception and not the rule. . The label won't care about how many singles you sell if you can't move albums. That's just the truth. PREACH! |
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Post by felipe on Mar 30, 2010 18:58:09 GMT -5
But 20 years from now which do you think people will remember, a successful album or a hit song? eg: Whitney Houston's last album sold pretty well, but some years from now, what will that album be remembered for? Unless you can get a big hit out of it, I don't think many people will remember it in the long run... 20 years from now i doubt if you didnt have a hit album people are going to remember your single.... Really? Everybody I know recognizes Unchained Melody when they hear it on the radio, and most of them can't even tell whose song it is. Same goes for Total eclipse of the heart, Macarena, Pretty woman, American pie, Baby can I hold you and so many other songs. Whether they had successful albums or not I won't bother to look up, the fact is that some times the song becomes bigger than the artist that sings it. Now tell me the name of an album that's so huge that everyone knows it, even though they may not know the artist. |
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Post by singingrulebritannia on Mar 30, 2010 22:44:09 GMT -5
Now tell me the name of an album that's so huge that everyone knows it, even though they may not know the artist. The Wall  |
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Post by Black Jesus on Mar 30, 2010 23:14:55 GMT -5
Does anyone know the mathematical formula for calculating Hot 100 positions? Like, how much do digital sales and airplay count percentage-wise?
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Post by Nic (Britney Spears) on Mar 30, 2010 23:15:04 GMT -5
^ everyone knows who Pink Floyd is, but sorry.
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Post by singingrulebritannia on Mar 31, 2010 0:22:34 GMT -5
^ everyone knows who Pink Floyd is, but sorry. Perhaps you should read the quote again? |
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