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Post by WotUNeed on Oct 14, 2010 5:58:53 GMT -5
That's alternative for you. You love a band until everybody else does, then you have to hate them. That's just what it means to like alternative music. It's only good if a lot of people don't like it, otherwise it is "sell-out" garbage. You think this is a fairer assessment and/or a more constructive post than the ones which sparked your response? Seems like a pretty gross generalization to me, and certainly not characteristic of the people who regularly post here. |
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Post by thisbeautifulmess on Oct 14, 2010 8:52:44 GMT -5
That's alternative for you. You love a band until everybody else does, then you have to hate them. That's just what it means to like alternative music. It's only good if a lot of people don't like it, otherwise it is "sell-out" garbage. You think this is a fairer assessment and/or a more constructive post than the ones which sparked your response? Seems like a pretty gross generalization to me, and certainly not characteristic of the people who regularly post here. He's spot-on. |
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Post by American Idiot on Oct 14, 2010 13:43:53 GMT -5
I've just never been that fond of them in the front place, I do like about half of "Only By The Night" album and a few songs on "Come Around Sundown." I just think there's many bands that deserve the success more than they do, but I salute any band that does what they love and earns exposure even if I personally may not be so fond of them.
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Post by Ragin on Oct 14, 2010 16:45:57 GMT -5
That's alternative for you. You love a band until everybody else does, then you have to hate them. That's just what it means to like alternative music. It's only good if a lot of people don't like it, otherwise it is "sell-out" garbage. You think this is a fairer assessment and/or a more constructive post than the ones which sparked your response? Seems like a pretty gross generalization to me, and certainly not characteristic of the people who regularly post here. I say that as an alternative fan and as someone that has been guilty of it a time or two. There is a difference in my opinion between what Kings of Leon did in alternative, which is legit crossover in my opinion, I don't think they catered to pop, and what Nickelback did with their last album in rock where they geared intentionally for a pop audience. But obviously, even in that defense, I think that I clearly buy into the whole "sell-out" mentality myself. I just like to think that I'm looking at the music rather than just if it is selling or not. Red Hot Chili Peppers have sold tons of albums, but I don't think they ever really "sold-out" for example. Having said all of that, there are some that are simply going to cry out sell out with any artist they don't like that crosses over, and that's what I'm responding to. |
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Post by atlantaboy on Oct 14, 2010 18:45:52 GMT -5
^Completely disagree with this sell-ing out thing - if bands stay true to Alternative music, like the Chili Peppers, STP, Bush, Pearl Jam, Green Day, Linkin Park, Foo Fighters, etc., then Alternative fans will always love them no matter how popular they get
Some bands start out with an edgier sound, and then later start heading more pop/rock- it's not selling out, it's just adapting their style as the years go on - of course most Alternative fans are gonna be turned off by You And Me by Lifehouse or Far Away by Nickelback, cause there's nothing Alternative about those songs- it has nothing to do with how popular they've become
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Post by jvandyck87 on Oct 14, 2010 18:56:54 GMT -5
^In the case of Lifehouse it does. If "You And Me" hadn't been the success it was, they were well on their way to residing in the 'Where are they now?' category. And considering how good "Spin" was, I think it's a real shame.
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Post by atlantaboy on Oct 14, 2010 19:14:56 GMT -5
^In the case of Lifehouse it does. If "You And Me" hadn't been the success it was, they were well on their way to residing in the 'Where are they now?' category. And considering how good "Spin" was, I think it's a real shame. Not sure what you mean - In other words, Alternative radio IMO wasn't turned off at the popularity of Lifehouse, they were turned off at the pop/rock turn they'd taken in their music Alternative didn't stop playing Linkin Park when they got widely popular - Alt. fans don't mind if music is popular, they just mind if it sounds pop/rock/HAC, cause that would completely defeat the purpose of an "Alternative" station |
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Post by jvandyck87 on Oct 14, 2010 19:26:24 GMT -5
Oh I guess I misunderstood what you were saying. I was arguing that in the case of "You And Me", Lifehouse sort of could be viewed as sell-outs, but it is the decision that allowed them to continue to be relevant to a mass audience.
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Post by pen on Oct 14, 2010 19:45:39 GMT -5
Oh I guess I misunderstood what you were saying. I was arguing that in the case of "You And Me", Lifehouse sort of could be viewed as sell-outs, but it is the decision that allowed them to continue to be relevant to a mass audience. Not sure how "You And Me" was a sellout move considering Lifehouse had songs like that on their first two albums. |
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Post by jvandyck87 on Oct 14, 2010 19:48:06 GMT -5
Yeah, but it marked a shift in sound nonetheless, an abandonment of the sound that made songs like "Simon", "Somebody Else's Song", "Sick Cycle Carousel", and "Spin" so awesome. It's not a coincidence that they haven't had any songs with that dark of of a feel since their first two albums and "You And Me" was the lead single off the third album.
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Post by atlantaboy on Oct 14, 2010 19:57:03 GMT -5
I guess I just don't like the term "sellout" - it implies that the only reason Jason Wade wrote You And Me was to make more money, which (a)isn't true, since HBAM was a slightly bigger hit cross-format anyway, and (b)IMO isn't fair to him as a songwriter - maybe he was just at a point in his life where he wanted to start writing more pop/rock - and it's not like Alternative radio plays less-popular artsts (esp. if you look at CD sales)- they just play artists with edgier, more non-traditional sounds to their music
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Post by pen on Oct 14, 2010 19:58:29 GMT -5
Yeah, but it marked a shift in sound nonetheless, an abandonment of the sound that made songs like "Simon", "Somebody Else's Song", "Sick Cycle Carousel", and "Spin" so awesome. It's not a coincidence that they haven't had any songs with that dark of of a feel since their first two albums and "You And Me" was the lead single off the third album. I disagree with this. I expect you've heard all their material? Personally, examples I think I could point out of the top of my head are "Better Luck Next Time" from Lifehouse, "The Joke" from Who We Are, and "Here Tomorrow, Gone Today" from the new album. There are others but I'm not about to go through the whole catalog. |
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Post by jvandyck87 on Oct 14, 2010 20:11:33 GMT -5
Those songs have a heavier sound than the majority of the songs on their albums, but it's not necessarily a more distorted guitar sound that I'm referring to as what's missing. I have to also remember that a difference is my musical taste, and if "Sick Cycle Carousel" were to be released now, it might not quite have resonated with me as much now as it did nine years ago. But I don't know, there's something just more intense about those songs to me than anything more recent in their catalog. I'm not going to claim to be an expert on any of their albums other than 'No Name Face', but I've spun them each once and 'Stanley Climbfall' twice, to know that I like 'Stanley Climbfall' decently (though not quite as much as the debut, again, probably a product of how old I was when the albums came out and my musical tastes), and don't like the three albums since then enough to listen to them again. But I remembered that the harder edged songs still had an upbeatness whether it be the dance rockness of "Here Tomorrow, Gone Today" or the major key chorus of "Better Luck Next Time", or the swingin' "The Joke". They aren't bad songs, and there are other songs that aren't bad off these albums either. I just miss the intensity. Heck, even though "Everything" was tailor made to be in some cheesy movie, I thought song was very moving. "Trying" is a very mellow track, but it's absolutely gorgeous. I think I'm more just upset with how their more recent music doesn't have that same urgency to me, and feels more geared towards an audience that doesn't want depressing music. And goddammit, I like my music (artfully and genuinely rather than contrived-ly clichéd-ly) depressing.
And to me, three albums without a song that has that potential to move me compared to their first two due to the change in sound that was made for commercial reasons...I gotta call that selling out.
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Post by pen on Oct 14, 2010 20:18:49 GMT -5
Too long, didn't read.
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Post by jvandyck87 on Oct 14, 2010 21:17:29 GMT -5
Summary: nothing on those three albums has the emotional impact of half the songs on No Name Face or the highlights on Stanley Climbfall.
Unfortunately if you want my justification for that statement, it involves reading. I don't think it's worth your time though.
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Post by pen on Oct 14, 2010 22:07:21 GMT -5
Summary: nothing on those three albums has the emotional impact of half the songs on No Name Face or the highlights on Stanley Climbfall. Unfortunately if you want my justification for that statement, it involves reading. I don't think it's worth your time though. Truth is I actually did read it, I just have nothing to say that's worth taking the time to say it. You have your opinion, I have mine. But I'm right. ;) |
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Post by Samer on Oct 15, 2010 13:06:00 GMT -5
wow, the haters are disgusting. Where the hell did they come from!? Take your username. JUST LOOOOOOOOL |
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Post by Ragin on Oct 15, 2010 15:32:39 GMT -5
I guess I just don't like the term "sellout" - it implies that the only reason Jason Wade wrote You And Me was to make more money, which (a)isn't true, since HBAM was a slightly bigger hit cross-format anyway, and (b)IMO isn't fair to him as a songwriter - maybe he was just at a point in his life where he wanted to start writing more pop/rock - and it's not like Alternative radio plays less-popular artsts (esp. if you look at CD sales)- they just play artists with edgier, more non-traditional sounds to their music Some of it is fair and some of it isn't fair. There are a fair number of alternative fans that will use the "sell-out" attack when tehy don't like a band though, and that's just part of being a fan of alternative which is what I was saying in the first place. It's ridiculous to say these bands aren't writing music to make money though. If they weren't they'd never sign deals with labels in the first place. |
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Post by Franck on Oct 15, 2010 16:03:46 GMT -5
This song is kind of epic, I love it.
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Post by atlantaboy on Oct 15, 2010 20:09:38 GMT -5
It's ridiculous to say these bands aren't writing music to make money though. If they weren't they'd never sign deals with labels in the first place. Same goes for Alternative bands though - Linkin Park's in it for the money just as much as Nickelback or Lifehouse |
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Post by Lozzy on Oct 16, 2010 6:56:45 GMT -5
This might be the worst song of the year.
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Post by pen on Oct 16, 2010 7:30:57 GMT -5
This might be the worst song of the year. the worst song of the year. |
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Post by mcbrearty on Oct 16, 2010 7:56:25 GMT -5
This might be the worst song of the year. the worst song of the year. I mean I don't like this song aswell, but surely a Katy Perry or Kesha song should be nearer to that honor. |
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Post by Devin on Oct 16, 2010 9:27:37 GMT -5
You're the worst song of the year. I mean I don't like this song aswell, but surely a Katy Perry or Kesha song should be nearer to that honor. Not Katy Perry, Ke$ha (maybe Blah Blah Blah or her new song  ) |
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Post by Devin on Oct 16, 2010 13:21:06 GMT -5
Haven't heard any of the Kesha or Katey Perry songs, but I'd bet any vital organ that Radioactive trumps anything they'd put out! This is slowly evolving into my favorite song of the year. Not even "I Kissed a Girl" by Katy Perry? That one charted on alternative.  There was a rock remix of the song that peaked at #31 or around there. |
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Post by (Artie Ziff) on Oct 16, 2010 14:17:56 GMT -5
Sorry, missed that one. I do vaguely remember the Jill Sobule version from a ways back.
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Post by Gravity. on Oct 16, 2010 16:49:21 GMT -5
This might be the worst song of the year. I don't know, I think that "Like a G6" mess comes close. I didn't like this at first, but yesterday it clicked for me. |
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Post by Lozzy on Oct 17, 2010 0:15:05 GMT -5
This might be the worst song of the year. the worst song of the year. I'm a song? |
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Post by Lozzy on Oct 17, 2010 0:15:22 GMT -5
This might be the worst song of the year. I don't know, I think that "Like a G6" mess comes close. I didn't like this at first, but yesterday it clicked for me. Like a G6 is awesome! |
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Post by chillpill on Oct 17, 2010 1:58:52 GMT -5
You're the worst song of the year. I'm a song? Yes, you're not human. |
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