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Post by rockmaniac on Aug 31, 2010 19:53:38 GMT -5
it's no question who'll be #1 next week
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Post by tinawina on Aug 31, 2010 21:40:30 GMT -5
Are sales really that bad these days that an album with 2 big hit can not even crack 200k? Its true that sale are down but I do think that excuse gets overused. Others have sold better with less to work with. I think Katy is just not the type of artist people buy an album from. It seems like, these days, people really need to be invested in you artistically to go that far, otherwise they will just buy whatever catchy song they like most. Maybe she's more of a Rhianna type than a Gaga type. And that's fine.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 31, 2010 21:48:47 GMT -5
Nice seeing Katy have the number 1! Of course I wish her sales were better but I'm happy she's doing this well! :) And nice seeing Taylor still on the chart! Cannot wait for "Speak Now" :)
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Post by d.t.m on Aug 31, 2010 21:58:27 GMT -5
Katy shoulda done better. What if she only had one hit single as opposed to 2?
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Post by cartman2002 on Aug 31, 2010 22:11:09 GMT -5
This week, the top 3 albums sold more than the top 3 did last year.
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Post by like2throw on Aug 31, 2010 22:18:26 GMT -5
Nah people just arent fooled with the s**ttiness. Katy Perrys music is generic so quite frankly Im glad it sold this much. It got bad reviews too. Yeah, that's why her singles are selling in the millions and she's scoring the highest female debut of the year so far. Never said they wouldnt buy the singles, but they would know that the album would be plagued with filler. And is 180,000 first week really something to brag about as having a record? When she had two huge songs?
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Post by slicknickshady on Aug 31, 2010 23:29:57 GMT -5
it's no question who'll be #1 next week Disturbed. I will be curious if it will do 200K though. I bought it today at Best Buy. No doubt it will be #1 but i don't think it will do more than 150K.
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Post by HolidayGuy on Sept 1, 2010 0:04:33 GMT -5
So, Usher's re-release counts as a separate album from his latest? I wasn't aware that it would have itso wn title and all- that's good, especially as it has eight new tracks on it. Back in the 80s, that pretty much was an album (as many had juast 9 tracks on them).
I agree that Katy Perry can see some ateady sales. Ke$ha's album, as mentioned, has held on decently, after some thought it would fade by the wayside.
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Post by Minor Scratch on Sept 1, 2010 0:05:38 GMT -5
But bad press did make people notice Blackout and 'Gimme More' way more than they would have without it. Record sales had receded drastically since the early 00s and it wasn't going to sell as much as her earlier records anyway. Blackout may have been her worst selling album, but it made Britney a prolific artist again. She went on to have more hit singles and an even better selling album in 'Circus'. In the same vein as Britney, Fantasia would probably not sold as much this week if it weren't for her whole suicide fiasco. You're forgetting one thing: The album before that (I believe it was In The Zone) sold more than 2 million. Publicity for Brit was non-stop leading to Blackout, but it still flopped compared to its predecessor. Your last 2 sentences are based on flawed logic. How can you apply a statement, regarding an upcoming album's followup ( Circus, Brit's followup to Blackout), to someone else's upcoming album (Tasia's Back To Me)? Well then I guess its flawed logic for Britney being brought up in this discussion in the first place. Or even MJ. I was using Britney as a case to backup the fact that Blackout led to great things for Britney sparked by bad press. I still don't think much attention would have been given to Blackout and 'Gimme More' if the bad press weren't there beforehand. Despite Blackout's poor sales (and this was 07 versus 03's In The Zone when sales were clearly higher), it showed Britney could still make a cohesive product despite her flaws exaggerated by the media. And the public took notice. Circus was then anticipated by fans and was a clear cut hit because of the interest in Britney's music again. Relating to Fantasia, the bad press did make the public interested in her music again enough to actually go out and buy her records.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 1, 2010 0:19:57 GMT -5
So, Usher's re-release counts as a separate album from his latest? I wasn't aware that it would have itso wn title and all- that's good, especially as it has eight new tracks on it. Back in the 80s, that pretty much was an album (as many had juast 9 tracks on them). I agree that Katy Perry can see some ateady sales. Ke$ha's album, as mentioned, has held on decently, after some thought it would fade by the wayside. Raymond vs Raymond deluxe and Raymond vs Raymond original are the same album Versus is a separate album
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Post by Adonis the DemiGod! on Sept 1, 2010 0:22:20 GMT -5
I thought it was established that bad press does not sell albums. It hurts radio airplay and album sales in general. Britney's best album had the lowest sales of all her albums. If she wasn't getting such bad press many people would've bought her album and her singles would've performed much better than they did. There is no doubt on my mind. The Super Bowl established that there is such a thing as bad press can hurt album sales.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 1, 2010 0:27:45 GMT -5
This is contrary to the popular opinion in this thread. The popular opinion in this thread is that the Fantasia press did absolutely nothing to hurt album sales and the people in this thread say that the exposure did nothing to help it either. (since the album did much better than expected)
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Post by I Wish on Sept 1, 2010 0:33:50 GMT -5
^^^ "Slow and steady wins the race", "it's a marathon not a sprint", "it's not about how you start but how you finish", etc, etc Sounds like an excuse. There is no way you can project that. We will see what the drop is next week. If it's over a 50% drop. Game over. Not at all. ROFLMAO.
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Post by Love Plastic Love on Sept 1, 2010 0:59:10 GMT -5
I actually think it would be a GREAT sign if it only dropped 50-60%. Over that would be slightly concerning, but, like I said, I think her true sales will come from steady promo/stacking hits. It will drop down a bit, but rise again with a major performance and third single. I think it will easily pass a million or even more if she manages to get a big hit to float her through November/December (holiday sales). I am assuming that would be a third single and maybe the beginning of a fourth single? If TD peaks by the end of September I am assuming a new Single will be sent in October. That is actually good timing if the third single becomes a massive hit.
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Post by Adonis the DemiGod! on Sept 1, 2010 1:02:03 GMT -5
This is contrary to the popular opinion in this thread. The popular opinion in this thread is that the Fantasia press did absolutely nothing to hurt album sales and the people in this thread say that the exposure did nothing to help it either. (since the album did much better than expected) Short term yes. Long term, maybe not. Time will tell. However, she's not getting publicity for her music. That's a problem going forward. What will happen is this album will probably be her lowest selling unless she has a hit after this.
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Post by $uperb@tDuDe on Sept 1, 2010 1:25:00 GMT -5
Funny how people are questioning Fantasia's ability to sell albums on her own merit. She's huge in the urban community. Just like Mary J. Blige managed to sell millions of albums during the 90's basically unknown at Top 40 radio until '01.
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Post by slicknickshady on Sept 1, 2010 1:33:15 GMT -5
The lady who is suing Fantasia will probably end up with a lot of the royalties from this Fantasia album. I don't feel sorry for home wreckers like Fantasia and Alicia Key's.
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Post by d.t.m on Sept 1, 2010 2:29:39 GMT -5
She hasn't sued her yet.
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Post by #LisaRinna on Sept 1, 2010 7:18:45 GMT -5
Katy isn't exactly releasing the type of music that makes people roar out to the stores and buy in bulk. The point is she's had 2 huge hits and she should have done at least more than 200k. She's as much of an album seller as Jason Derulo or Taio Cruz... she just had more buzz because she isn't new in the industry. The album is a flop so far for the numbers it pulled, but of course it won't be seen as a flop because her label is going to be pimping that she had the #1 album in the country and such stuff. The general public cares about that, they don't care about how much she sold to be #1.
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Post by Jack on Sept 1, 2010 8:00:47 GMT -5
The people in this thread say that the exposure did nothing to help it either. ) No one said that! Stop making stuff up. Just stop.
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Post by Enigma. on Sept 1, 2010 8:01:24 GMT -5
This thread is a big mess.
200k for Katy is good imo.
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Post by pnobelysk on Sept 1, 2010 8:44:06 GMT -5
Katy isn't exactly releasing the type of music that makes people roar out to the stores and buy in bulk. The point is she's had 2 huge hits and she should have done at least more than 200k. She's as much of an album seller as Jason Derulo or Taio Cruz... she just had more buzz because she isn't new in the industry. The album is a flop so far for the numbers it pulled, but of course it won't be seen as a flop because her label is going to be pimping that she had the #1 album in the country and such stuff. The general public cares about that, they don't care about how much she sold to be #1. \1. katys first album went platinum while maybe not an album seller she is more of one than Taio or Derulo. 2/ This album is not a flop. It will most surley go gold and prbly even platinum. Didnt like less than 30 albums go platnium last year. Id be pretty happy if my album was one of the 30
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Post by Deleted on Sept 1, 2010 8:55:09 GMT -5
The people in this thread say that the exposure did nothing to help it either. ) No one said that! Stop making stuff up. Just stop. LOL - you're kidding - whatever It has been said repeatedly the VH1 reality show and the Urban AC radio expposure accounted for virtually all of the 120,000 that bought the album & even without the national non-music exposure, virtually the same would have been sold. I am simply acknowledging popular opinion on this topic
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Post by grandelf on Sept 1, 2010 9:10:40 GMT -5
Katy isn't exactly releasing the type of music that makes people roar out to the stores and buy in bulk. The point is she's had 2 huge hits and she should have done at least more than 200k. She's as much of an album seller as Jason Derulo or Taio Cruz... she just had more buzz because she isn't new in the industry. The album is a flop so far for the numbers it pulled, but of course it won't be seen as a flop because her label is going to be pimping that she had the #1 album in the country and such stuff. The general public cares about that, they don't care about how much she sold to be #1. I don't think the general public actually cares about such stuff. People are not going to buy more copies if the label says it was the #1 for the week. It's absolutely ridiculous to call it a flop though, if she's a flop then every single female artist is a flop this year, including Ke$ha. Just think of how many established female acts from the past 12 months had their debut weeks outdone by Katy now...
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Post by tinawina on Sept 1, 2010 9:26:33 GMT -5
LOL - you're kidding - whatever It has been said repeatedly the VH1 reality show and the Urban AC radio expposure accounted for virtually all of the 120,000 that bought the album & even without the national non-music exposure, virtually the same would have been sold. I am simply acknowledging popular opinion on this topic Nah, with only a few exceptions, people said that it wasn't all attributable to her recent publicity because she has been popular in R&B for a while. Now, what you are doing IMO is making a leap from "not all attributable" to "virtually all" of her sales being based on her pre-existing fanbase. I don't think most people said it had NO (or even PRACTICALLY NO) effect, they just said it wasn't MOSTLY about her suicide attempt. In other words, the suicide publicity had some effect, but not enough to say she wouldn't have had good sales without it. You are exaggerating what is being said. I still don't understand what the big deal is frankly. Monica and Keysha Cole both had popular reality shows, urban media buzz and hit songs before their last albums dropped and they opened to similar numbers/chart positions. So why is so hard to believe? Is it really that serious? The whole Fanny with a married man thing has been on black blogs for MONTHS, its kinda old news on that scene. I'm sure she got back on some people's radar with the scandal but not so much in her core market. Yeesh.
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Post by Jack on Sept 1, 2010 9:35:56 GMT -5
LOL - you're kidding - whatever It has been said repeatedly the VH1 reality show and the Urban AC radio expposure accounted for virtually all of the 120,000 that bought the album & even without the national non-music exposure, virtually the same would have been sold. I am simply acknowledging popular opinion on this topic Nah, with only a few exceptions, people said that it wasn't all attributable to her recent publicity because she has been popular in R&B for a while. Now, what you are doing IMO is making a leap from "not all attributable" to "virtually all" of her sales being based on her pre-existing fanbase. I don't think most people said it had NO (or even PRACTICALLY NO) effect, they just said it wasn't MOSTLY about her suicide attempt. In other words, the suicide publicity had some effect, but not enough to say she wouldn't have had good sales without it. You are exaggerating what is being said.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 1, 2010 9:39:37 GMT -5
Can someone who believes that the national exposure received from the "sucide attempt" did nothing and she would have achieved these sales anyway explain further as to why? It is well documented that exposure on the non-music variety that lands you in the national headlines exposes you to people who would not have otherwise bought the music. Are we really saying the VH1 exposure is more powerful than a front page story on CNN? How so? No one's saying that Fantasia's suicide attempt did not generate news/publicity albeit bad publicity. What we're saying is that interest in her MUSIC actually has generated the majority - if not all - of her SALES. Here is one - when I have time I am sure I can find others
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Post by popindustrialist on Sept 1, 2010 9:43:20 GMT -5
Funny how people are questioning Fantasia's ability to sell albums on her own merit. She's huge in the urban community. Just like Mary J. Blige managed to sell millions of albums during the 90's basically unknown at Top 40 radio until '01. MTV, BET and the music video drove music sales in the 90's, not radio. She was a superstar by '96.
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Post by tinawina on Sept 1, 2010 9:49:14 GMT -5
Here is one - when I have time I am sure I can find others I said MOST people. MOST. I still don't know why its such a hard thing to acknowledge though. What's the big deal? How much do you think was about the publicity anyway?
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Post by Push The Button on Sept 1, 2010 9:55:28 GMT -5
Katy isn't exactly releasing the type of music that makes people roar out to the stores and buy in bulk. The point is she's had 2 huge hits and she should have done at least more than 200k. She's as much of an album seller as Jason Derulo or Taio Cruz... she just had more buzz because she isn't new in the industry. The album is a flop so far for the numbers it pulled, but of course it won't be seen as a flop because her label is going to be pimping that she had the #1 album in the country and such stuff. The general public cares about that, they don't care about how much she sold to be #1. What? Selling 200k and debuting at #1 is certainly bigger than any album by Taio Cruz or Jason Derulo have released. She's a singles artist. Compared to other female singles artists - Rihanna, for instance, she's already opened bigger than any of her releases and peaked higher as well. This album will outpace One of the Boys, which has sold 1.3 million copies. It's done its job.
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