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Post by remix on Oct 31, 2011 18:35:20 GMT -5
^^ - Billboard counts the Burlesque Soundtrack sales for X like it also does for the other legend Whitney for The Bodyguard. - Billboard has rules for features, and states it as another classic #1 for X, and all those digital sales go to her too. - The main producer said she's the voice, and wanted her, the show revolves around X. She saved the network, and made the show #1. Try again. Exactly 8 song on the Burlesque album are from Xtina and only 2 from Cher so this is basiclly a Xtina album. The Voice is a Christina show,that's a known fact.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 31, 2011 18:47:31 GMT -5
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Post by Luckie Starchild on Oct 31, 2011 20:50:21 GMT -5
BTW, the Grammy folks have asked Christina to perform on the award show six times in the past decade. Many more performances to come, I am sure! Weak argument. There are tons of artists that are asked to perform each year and simply don't because of a host of reasons. Claiming that because she's performing a lot because she's an icon could totally be flipped into an argument that everybody else is declining and Christina is the only one with time on her hands. Unless you can provide the names of artists who have been asked to perform on the Grammys more than six times in the past decade, we'll chalk your argument off as the weak one.
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Post by PDC1987 on Oct 31, 2011 21:12:41 GMT -5
The Grammys gave Celine Dion an AOTY award, are we really applying weight to who they ask to perform?
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Post by PDC1987 on Oct 31, 2011 21:15:04 GMT -5
Burlesque sold almost as much as Feme Fatale even without an official single and above a million copies worldwide. Deal with it. LULZ. "Almost as much" doesn't mean what you think it does: 11/15/11 Billboard 200 29 RCA 188 107 SPEARS*BRITNEY FEMME FATALE 4,005 43 2,809 695,320 47 RCA 193 185 114 BURLESQUE SOUNDTRACK 3,910 36 2,866 494,633
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Post by Luckie Starchild on Oct 31, 2011 21:21:27 GMT -5
The Grammys gave Celine Dion an AOTY award, are we really applying weight to who they ask to perform? Yes, we are.
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Post by ingrownhairdyke on Nov 1, 2011 0:58:16 GMT -5
150,000,000 audience impressions doesn't mean that no one is hearing her voice. And 150,000,000 audience impressions of people listening to a Maroon 5 song in which Christina appears for 20 seconds doesn't mean people are suddenly into her voice again and are pondering how her voice has changed and developed over the years and that, well by God yes!, she is a legend. Not sure why I expected a reasonable response from you, but now that you've brought me back to reality, I'll be bowing out of this joke of a thread. Christina appears in 1 minute of the song.
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Post by ingrownhairdyke on Nov 1, 2011 1:00:37 GMT -5
Burlesque sold almost as much as Feme Fatale even without an official single and above a million copies worldwide. Deal with it. LULZ. "Almost as much" doesn't mean what you think it does: 11/15/11 Billboard 200 29 RCA 188 107 SPEARS*BRITNEY FEMME FATALE 4,005 43 2,809 695,320 47 RCA 193 185 114 BURLESQUE SOUNDTRACK 3,910 36 2,866 494,633 Yeah Femme Fatale has had 4 singles already. Burlesque none.
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Post by repentyourself on Nov 1, 2011 2:26:19 GMT -5
Christina appears in 1 minute of the song. 25 seconds + four random screams throughout the last chorus =/= one minute bew, lbr.
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Post by ingrownhairdyke on Nov 1, 2011 2:28:47 GMT -5
Christina appears in 1 minute of the song. 25 seconds + four random screams throughout the last chorus =/= one minute bew, lbr. yeah it still counts. Stop being pressed and bitter you're gonna start looking like Kellyphant.
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Post by repentyourself on Nov 1, 2011 2:44:26 GMT -5
yeah it still counts. Stop being moved by weight or force in a certain direction or into a certain position and bitter you're gonna start looking like Kellyphant. Well you certainly got me, sis. I guess I'll just consider my wig snatched. :'(
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Post by Eqbk on Nov 1, 2011 3:16:20 GMT -5
It doesn't really matter how long Christina was on the track for MLJ. That's really beside point. Christina's part contributes very little to what makes the song catchy and likeable by the general public. Maroon 5 has performed the song on multiple occasions w/o Christina or her vocals present and it was completely fine. Sure Christina will get credit but that has more to do w/ label politics than her actual contributions to the song. Several years from now, if MLJ is remembered, it won't be remembered as a Christina song, except by her stans. Yeah Femme Fatale has had 4 singles already. Burlesque none. Lol. Yeah, and all the Burlesque soundtrack had was a movie w/ a multi-million dollar promotional budget.
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Post by remix on Nov 1, 2011 3:51:19 GMT -5
I Yeah Femme Fatale has had 4 singles already. Burlesque none. Lol. Yeah, and all the Burlesque soundtrack had was a movie w/ a multi-million dollar promotional budget. World wide tour,4 musiv videos ,promo on TV shows,radio shows,magazimes...Multi million promotional budget.
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Post by Eqbk on Nov 1, 2011 4:06:30 GMT -5
I Lol. Yeah, and all the Burlesque soundtrack had was a movie w/ a multi-million dollar promotional budget. World wide tour,4 musiv videos ,promo on TV shows,radio shows,magazimes...Multi million promotional budget. And Burlesque didn't have tv spots? It didn't have interviews where the cast was promoting? It didn't have the cast making promotional rounds? It didn't have posters and billboards? Please. It had promotional spots on several big shows and Christina had performed tracks from the soundtrack on several high-profile media outlets including Jay Leno, AMA's & Dancing w/ the Stars. And this is on top of the several interviews and other forms of media coverage. As for FF, there wasn't much promo outside of radio airplay in the US and music videos, the promotion for FF was pretty minimal compared to some other eras of big pop stars. But that's besides point. The amount of promotion that went to both of these projects isn't as lopsided as some Christina stans make it out to be. It's not like the Burlesque soundtrack was just dropped out of nowhere. It was a soundtrack from a movie that Sony poured a lot of money and time into promoting.
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Post by leoapp on Nov 1, 2011 11:49:54 GMT -5
It doesn't really matter how long Christina was on the track for MLJ. That's really beside point. Christina's part contributes very little to what makes the song catchy and likeable by the general public. Maroon 5 has performed the song on multiple occasions w/o Christina or her vocals present and it was completely fine. Sure Christina will get credit but that has more to do w/ label politics than her actual contributions to the song. Several years from now, if MLJ is remembered, it won't be remembered as a Christina song, except by her stans. Really? Several radio even introduced the song as Xtina's song. MLJ thread and any MLJ discussion on forums wouldn't have so many pages if Xtina name wasn't on it. Check out the video on youtube, majority of people saw the video because of Xtina and only commented about Xtina. A proof that her name did gained interest for people to check out the song. Although i never say that her part is the best part on the song, cos the song as a whole is already catchy. Xtina's part just makes it more interesting. Don't discredit her contribution on MLJ. Oh and did most haters predict the Burlesque soundtrack to flop because of Xtina name on it? I remember some predicted it'd flop harder than Bionic. It passed gold certification in US and about 1 million WW, without even some successful hits, definitely bigger than expected, especially because of the fact that the movies wasn't really a blockbuster success. Once it's more successful than expected, haters would say, that's because of Cher, not Xtina!
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Post by Deleted on Nov 1, 2011 12:10:59 GMT -5
Can I just highlight how absolutely pathetic it is that an argument is being made for her relevancy based on a soundtrack (that she was only a part of) performing better than her solo studio effort?
As for 'Moves Like Jagger'... pretty much every argument being made for this is baseless. She is a feature on a Maroon 5 song, so yes, she gets credit, and that's fantastic. That does not mean her part is why it's successful, and it's impossible to prove otherwise.
Can I also pose a question to the Christina stans of the moment? Exactly what is it you're arguing for? Are you arguing she's relevant (no one here is really saying she isn't to some degree), are you arguing she's more relevant than we're giving her credit for..? At this point, I don't see anyone attempting to answer the question so much as a bunch of chickens running around with their heads chopped off.
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Post by Hefty Hanna on Nov 1, 2011 13:06:09 GMT -5
It's hilarious being in a car with four people jamming out to 'Moves Like Jagger' and everybody going silent at the 2:15 mark. So...
Regardless, she's still relevant (really hate this word now), and with the right material she could easily get more hits.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 1, 2011 14:34:04 GMT -5
KPASA, you have to be more elementary with these stans. Here, let me show you:
Burlesque - not all Christina Bionic - performed worse than Burlesque MLJ - a Maroon 5 song with X as a feature. The success of MLJ - not just due to X. The Voice - successful, but not JUST because of X. Relevancy - minimal, only here for judging spots, flubbing lyrics, and a 0:30 feature on a song, Stans - the common loons.
Summarized, easy to understand, and all true. You have to be gentle and patient with this breed of neurotics.
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Post by Mr. Wonder on Nov 1, 2011 15:03:44 GMT -5
She'll be grouped right along with the other bubblegum pop acts of the late 90s early 00s.
Aside from that, she'll always be known as "the white girl who can sing".
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Post by K Newman on Nov 1, 2011 16:01:03 GMT -5
This thread is a mess lol. But seriously, I think there are people on this board that don't give her the credit that she deserves. And there people on this board that give her more credit than she deserves. I think Christina and her stans have rubbed people the wrong way and that has resulted in the first group. This is turn results in the second group. Its an endless cycle. I agree with this post: This is such an odd, disastrous new discussion trend that probably .1% of the Pulse population is in a position to answer somewhat effectively. Anyway. She has one thing going for her: she came out in the early 2000s where there really wasn't anyone huge around that could sing, and so she was touted the best female pop singer and that has somehow carried throughout all these years with the general public (until the last year or so). So I think she'll always have this title of having this amazing voice in spite of the fact that her actual singing technique ran her voice into the ground years ago. Other than that, she hasn't really come out with much in the way of lasting, memorable material outside a few tracks. But I have no idea what her cultural rank in the world is. She's a recognizable name with a good amount of talent, and I believe the general public perceives that talent to be slightly bigger than it is, which works in her favor. And she probably still has some pop music life/relevance in her. But she's not a legend or icon or trendsetter. And she doesn't have to be any of those things to be good or successful or worthy of a large following. It's just that she isn't--it begins and ends there. Also, I just think its hilarious how the Xtina stans are perceived on this board. Its like those zombie movies (28 days later, I Am Legend, Walking Dead) where we try to survive and they just keep coming. You lock the door and even if there's a small hole, they still try to get inside. You shoot them in the head, and there are still more.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 1, 2011 16:04:57 GMT -5
But seriously, I think there are people on this board that don't give her the credit that she deserves. And there people on this board that give her more credit than she deserves. Absolutely.
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Post by Chelsea Press 2 on Nov 1, 2011 18:14:36 GMT -5
I think she has some cultural relevance. I think she does have some household name recognition, moreso at certain times like at the beginning and middle of the 2000's, and a bit recently (maybe for the wrong reason). But those who know who she is even if they aren't fans of hers know that she is known for her voice (regardless of whether they love it or hate it).
I think her songs "Genie In A Bottle", "Lady Marmalade" (I do know that this is a cover of the LaBelle classic), and "Beautiful" are probably her most well-known ones. It is safe to say "Beautiful" is her signature song. On almost every singing competition type show, there will be at least a couple of people who audition with that song. It's up there with all those other obligatory classic audition songs such as "I Have Nothing", "Vision Of Love", "The Power Of Love", and "Natural Woman."
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Post by Mack on Nov 1, 2011 18:57:07 GMT -5
But how is she relevant though? The only thing that could possibly be used to defend that is MLJ, which she's on for literally 20 seconds. That's like saying Nayer and Lauren Bennett are relevant... Oh, come on. You're really comparing Christina to those nobodies? She may not be the A-list artist that she was several years ago, but she's still a hugely recognizable name. No one knows who Nayer and Lauren Bennett are.
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Post by Devil Marlena Nylund on Nov 1, 2011 19:36:42 GMT -5
I think this topic is taking a turn for the worse. I won't lock it yet because the last few posts have saved it but some posts are definitely deserving of warnings for trolling and throwing insults so I'll be going over those shortly.
Keep it clean, friendly and on topic or stay out.
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Post by David on Nov 2, 2011 0:02:28 GMT -5
I Lol. Yeah, and all the Burlesque soundtrack had was a movie w/ a multi-million dollar promotional budget. World wide tour,4 musiv videos ,promo on TV shows,radio shows,magazimes...Multi million promotional budget. But I can guarantee you FF has SLAUGHTERED Burlesque in digital sales. Its outsold it by 200,000 alone. Which is half of its sales. lol Plus FF isn't even done yet. I really don't see how your argument is valid.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 2, 2011 5:20:46 GMT -5
But how is she relevant though? The only thing that could possibly be used to defend that is MLJ, which she's on for literally 20 seconds. That's like saying Nayer and Lauren Bennett are relevant... Oh, come on. You're really comparing Christina to those nobodies? She may not be the A-list artist that she was several years ago, but she's still a hugely recognizable name. No one knows who Nayer and Lauren Bennett are. He's not comparing their relevancy, rather how important they are to the song. Give Me Everything and Party Rock Anthem would be just as big smashes without Lauren Bennett and Nayer. The same goes for MLJ, it would still be a smash without Christina. End.
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Post by leoapp on Nov 2, 2011 5:43:05 GMT -5
Even in her flop career, she's still relevant enough for people to talk about. End.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 2, 2011 6:02:07 GMT -5
Can I just pre-emptively add that 'you're talking about her, she's got your mind. LEGEND', does not count as a contribution.
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Post by Fat Ass Kelly Price on Nov 2, 2011 6:47:38 GMT -5
I honestly don't understand that argument.
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Post by Luckie Starchild on Nov 2, 2011 7:56:53 GMT -5
I honestly don't understand that argument. She still captures people's interest.
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