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Post by McCreerian on May 8, 2012 18:27:31 GMT -5
I like this song. I do get amused though reading some of the other threads that seem to indicate Radio is looking for more Country sounding songs. This song, Alan Jackson's song and some others have been clearly non-pop country songs and they all are having to fight their way onto the playing rotation. So when I hear that certain Artists should release something more Country sounding....I have to wonder. Its just more proof that Country radio is pushing traditional music farther away as the years go by, the music and the artists who make it. Most songs overplayed by radio today is nothing but watered down pop and rock. I remember in the 90s I'd complain "If I hear Chatahoochee or Time Marches On one more time I'm gonna scream." Now I miss those days and would love to hear real Country music like that overplayed again. If in the 90s I thought it'd come to the way it is now, I wouldn't have taken advantage of the opportunity to hear those songs when I could. I really doubt it'd ever come back again. That era is over and wanna be pop/rock music is what Country radio is all over and apparently what the fans of today wanna hear. At 32 I already sound like an old fart saying this, but it seems like the best music is in the previous generation no matter what decade you are in. In the 90s people complained cause radio wouldn't play George and Willie and artists didn't record that sound anymore. In the 10's now people complain cause radio won't play the 80/90s stuff and most artists don't record that anymore. I guess by 2025 Country will be so deteriorated that the pop/rock wannabes of today will be considered traditional by that generation. I shudder at the thought.
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Post by Deleted on May 8, 2012 18:59:36 GMT -5
"Traditional" country music will never disappear. Music always evolves and sounds change, becoming more and less popular. There will probably be a time in the future where the cycle comes back to what we see as "traditional" country music.
Genre lines continue to be blurred and there are a lot of pop/rock influenced songs on country radio, but even back in the 70's and 80's, there were pop/rock songs on country radio as well. It's just that the pop/rock sounds from back then were much different than they are today, just like country radio has changed.
One thing I think of is how a song like Kelly Clarkson's "Mr. Know It All" can crossover, because its sound isn't 'one dimensional' or limited to one genre. It works as a pop song, a country song, an AC song, etc. Her smash hit "Stronger" would have no chance at being a country hit. Same thing goes with most of the other big hits on pop radio today. It's the songs that are more "mixed" in sound and appeal to people in multiple genres that can get played on country or pop radio, or AC radio as well.
There are still a number of traditional songs on the radio today (Neon, Lovin' You Is Fun, So You Don't Have To Love Me Anymore, Cowboys And Angels, Drinkin' Man, Time Is Love, Did It For The Girl, and even Tim's Better Than I Used To Be could be thrown in there), and then you have a bunch of songs that really don't ever get labeled as pop-country, yet have some elements of other genres in them, and you get modern contemporary country (Over You, Fly Over States, Drink On It, Somethin' 'Bout A Truck, Springsteen, Got My Country On, Why Ya Wanna, Home Sweet Home, Angel Eyes, The Sound Of A Million Dreams, Shinin On Me, Too Goo To Be True, Missin' You Crazy, Ex-Old Man, etc).
Country always has had traditional sounds and outside sounds as well; you just have to remember that the other genres its pulling its influences from are constantly changing and cycling in sound as well.
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Post by jessy89 on May 8, 2012 19:54:56 GMT -5
Country radio is not Country anymore.. Its just that simple
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Post by Deleted on May 8, 2012 19:55:36 GMT -5
Country radio is not Country anymore.. Its just that simple Absolutely! I should've thought of that.
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Post by McCreerian on May 8, 2012 20:01:58 GMT -5
"Traditional" country music will never disappear. Music always evolves and sounds change, becoming more and less popular. There will probably be a time in the future where the cycle comes back to what we see as "traditional" country music. Genre lines continue to be blurred and there are a lot of pop/rock influenced songs on country radio, but even back in the 70's and 80's, there were pop/rock songs on country radio as well. It's just that the pop/rock sounds from back then were much different than they are today, just like country radio has changed. One thing I think of is how a song like Kelly Clarkson's "Mr. Know It All" can crossover, because its sound isn't 'one dimensional' or limited to one genre. It works as a pop song, a country song, an AC song, etc. Her smash hit "Stronger" would have no chance at being a country hit. Same thing goes with most of the other big hits on pop radio today. It's the songs that are more "mixed" in sound and appeal to people in multiple genres that can get played on country or pop radio, or AC radio as well. There are still a number of traditional songs on the radio today (Neon, Lovin' You Is Fun, So You Don't Have To Love Me Anymore, Cowboys And Angels, Drinkin' Man, Time Is Love, Did It For The Girl, and even Tim's Better Than I Used To Be could be thrown in there), and then you have a bunch of songs that really don't ever get labeled as pop-country, yet have some elements of other genres in them, and you get modern contemporary country (Over You, Fly Over States, Drink On It, Somethin' 'Bout A Truck, Springsteen, Got My Country On, Why Ya Wanna, Home Sweet Home, Angel Eyes, The Sound Of A Million Dreams, Shinin On Me, Too Goo To Be True, Missin' You Crazy, Ex-Old Man, etc). Country always has had traditional sounds and outside sounds as well; you just have to remember that the other genres its pulling its influences from are constantly changing and cycling in sound as well. When these traditional songs out now race to the top 5 in less than 3 months and get an AI of over 30 million for weeks on end staying in high rotation at most of the major markets like so many of these pop/rock wanna be songs do, then I'll be impressed. Same goes for any female artist (other than the 3 we all know), but more important a traditional one like Kellie has become on her latest.
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Post by kandie on May 11, 2012 18:17:20 GMT -5
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Post by Cody Wants Out... on May 24, 2012 18:49:06 GMT -5
Hmm...not sure what to think. This lost a pretty big chunk of audience this past week and also has a negative bullet (-0.123 AI and -8 bullet); hope this isn't over already since it hasn't even started.
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Post by .indulgecountry on May 24, 2012 19:36:59 GMT -5
I'll be so effin' pissed if this is anywhere near done. It better turn around right quick! EDIT: Kellie Pickler left today to go on another USO Tour in the Middle East (I think this is her fourth?), so it looks like we won't be looking forward to any significant promo for the song in regards to live performances or a music video anytime soon.
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Post by Cody Wants Out... on May 29, 2012 19:25:31 GMT -5
Hate to be the bearer of bad news, but... It doesn't look like it'll bounce back given this update (as of Memorial Day, thanks @diegomarcondes_!): 54 58 KELLIE PICKLER 100 Proof 158 205 -47 0.621 Tonight's BCU also displays a -0.173 AI loss and a -39 bullet at #57. I had a very bad feelin' that they'd just give this an adds date and watch it flop around like a fish out of water. Maybe like jhomes87 mentioned a few pages back, she should switch labels and possibly re-release the album like LBT did with A Place to Land? Just a thought.
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Post by McCreerian on May 29, 2012 19:28:20 GMT -5
This is just sad. Its #11 on the radiofeedback chart but radio PDs don't give a flip about its results apparently!
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Post by tsr on May 29, 2012 21:04:55 GMT -5
As much as I love this song, I wouldn't be surprised if this was done. Kellie isn't very established on radio yet despite having a couple big hits, and while this was a great song, it wasn't one that was automatically going to get her airplay. I honestly think that if she ever gets a #1, it will be with a song like "Best Days of Your Life" or "I'm Gonna Love You Through It." The subject matter of this song is just too risky, too early, imo.
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Post by .indulgecountry on May 29, 2012 21:33:02 GMT -5
They should've gone for an uptempo like Little House on the Highway or Rockaway for the second single and held off on this one. It'll be a shame if this is truly done already and only got to #50. I wonder what will happen now; if they'll still try to salvage this single, or whether they'll try something else or just plain move on from the era? I know Kellie just left for a USO Tour in the Middle East, so promotion is going to be limited for awhile.
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Post by Deleted on May 30, 2012 1:23:51 GMT -5
This will more than likely go recurrent next week. It hasn't gotten any adds in weeks. I know it is #11 on the Radiofeedback chart, but the national callout charts don't do too much for airplay, really. Besides, most regions haven't even played this song to get any solid research back on it.
She just has no momentum. This is a great song, but it's not what radio is playing lately. I mean, her last 2 singles barely scraped the top 30. That's disappointing, because "Tough" was a lead single, and "Making Me Fall In Love Again" needed 30 weeks just to hit the top 30.
You gotta go way back to 2009 for the last time she had a decent hit. As enamored as she is here on Pulse, her album barely sold anything at all, and this song hasn't cracked the top 200 on the iTunes country chart, either. I say that because a lot of lesser established acts including Tyler Farr, JT Hodges, Josh Abbott Band, Jon Pardi, Kristen Kelly, and Josh Thompson have been able to at least sell enough to make the top 200 despite rather limited airplay as well.
I don't know where Kellie goes from here. If she did part ways with her label, I don't know if she'd be able to re-release this album or have another label release singles from it. I just don't know if I see her staying with BNA. But I do think this song is done...radio just isn't playing it. It's gone backwards, much like JT Hodges, James Wesley, David Nail, and even Scotty McCreery have done with their latest releases. Lots of songs trying to move up and there's always a handful of them that go nowhere.
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Post by dajire4 on May 30, 2012 7:55:12 GMT -5
really sad to see this amazing song go down the kitchen sink like many other good tracks
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Post by picklerclarkson on May 30, 2012 8:05:55 GMT -5
This is just sad, honestly I hope Kellie switches to another label where they can focus on building her career because her current record label has never done much at all.
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Post by Deleted on May 30, 2012 22:53:03 GMT -5
This is beyond depressing. This song is actually really good, and it's not like Kellie is a complete unknown(her last two era's had many top 20's). Something fishy going on, or is country radio just done with her :(
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Post by musicbuff78 on May 31, 2012 1:55:31 GMT -5
They were never really into her to begin with based on her career if you ask me. She has had some decent hits for her success, but I really don't think the genre is into her nor has been.
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Post by dajire4 on May 31, 2012 9:06:33 GMT -5
They were never really into her to begin with based on her career if you ask me. She has had some decent hits for her success, but I really don't think the genre is into her nor has been. Yeah, and her biggest hit was with Taylor, which imo played a huge part in it reaching the top 10
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Post by esoteric76 on May 31, 2012 10:41:14 GMT -5
Could it be that in the beginning, people saw her as a little gimmicky (the Dolly Parton personality etc.) and then once she started shifting to serious fare, the audience doesn't know what to make of her?
Let me be clear, that I love the new album, like most of you on here, and I do think she has serious talent. But with people I talk to that know her peripherally through Idol, they can't take her seriously.
Let me also prove this by saying, that when Skylar Laine mentioned that she was covering Kellie, you could almost hear a collective gasp from the judges, like they were expecting some silly performance. Then Skylar slays "Didn't You Know How Much I Loved You" and the judges loved the song SO much (they were unfamiliar with Kellie's version) that they kept on saying how she could have a hit with it and should be doing this type of music at some point. I don't think it sunk in with anyone, that Kellie is ALREADY doing these songs...it was rather infuriating. (although I LOVE Skylar too!)
Clearly, Kellie couldn't keep up the gimmicky personality shtick forever, but it did help her to gain attention and people liked it at one time. She tries to shift a little, and radio gives up on her. It's a shame.
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Post by grayclay on May 31, 2012 12:01:37 GMT -5
Well, I may be a little biased, but I think this song and this era were completely robbed. This is no doubt the finest material Kellie has released. Is there a good reason why country radio won't play it? Nope. I think she should've released "Rockaway"... everytime I play that song people can't get it out of their head. But anyway, hopefully her big announcement is something TV related. That could work well for her. I just hope she doesn't try to go back in the direction of a pop sound like "Kellie Pickler" album. "100 Proof" is the type of music she should be singing.
Regardless of how much this album sold, I know Kellie won't stop making music. Maybe a smaller label would be good for her. I'll always be a big fan! Not going anywhere :)
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Post by grayclay on May 31, 2012 12:02:58 GMT -5
They were never really into her to begin with based on her career if you ask me. She has had some decent hits for her success, but I really don't think the genre is into her nor has been. Yeah, and her biggest hit was with Taylor, which imo played a huge part in it reaching the top 10 True, but "Red High Heels" and "I Wonder" from her first album had no problem reaching near Top 10. I don't think you can attribute her success completely to Taylor Swift.
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Post by esoteric76 on May 31, 2012 14:13:04 GMT -5
I just hope she doesn't try to go back in the direction of a pop sound like "Kellie Pickler" album. That's not happening. She's evolved and she's doing what's in her blood now. There might be a way to merge the two, but then again, if that were possible, she'd have the answers to life's greatest mystery. I tried to offer above, a reason for why she's not connecting. We know that it has nothing to do with the quality of her music, that is for sure. The problem lies elsewhere...
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Post by dajire4 on May 31, 2012 16:06:32 GMT -5
Yeah, and her biggest hit was with Taylor, which imo played a huge part in it reaching the top 10 True, but "Red High Heels" and "I Wonder" from her first album had no problem reaching near Top 10. I don't think you can attribute her success completely to Taylor Swift. Also true, but I didn't imply that she was only successful because of Taylor (she has talent enough on her own), just that she was never one of radio darlings a la Miranda or Taylor. That's why I think now that she has gone the traditionalist way radio hasn't wasted time in shutting her out since what they want from females is poppy-country.
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Post by jessy89 on Jun 4, 2012 15:42:23 GMT -5
there was one surprise i noticed.. BNA records no longer exist and kellies on Columbia records. I wonder how much if any this could help kellie.. perhaps renew her contract for another album i hope.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 4, 2012 15:46:47 GMT -5
^I can't say this for sure, but if they were gonna drop her, they probably would've done so, rather than transfer her. And technically, I guess they didn't really transfer her actually--basically, they just retired the BNA name or imprint, and all the BNA artists and staff are now Columbia artists and staff...they revived Columbia, in order to retire BNA.
Maybe "100 Proof" managed to re-bullet and hang on Billboard...guess we'll see in a few hours. It didn't seem likely, looking at some playlists on AllAccess. In any case, I doubt the song is gonna be a hit and I'm not sure where Kellie goes from here. She has no momentum, and her album and single sales are virtually zero. I honestly think she'd have a better shot becoming a more 'flagship' artist for a smaller label, like we've seen with Jason Aldean, Toby Keith, and the Zac Brown Band, and now also with Craig Morgan, Montgomery Gentry, Phil Vassar, and Darryl Worley.
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Post by .indulgecountry on Jun 4, 2012 15:51:14 GMT -5
there was one surprise i noticed.. BNA records no longer exist and kellies on Columbia records. I wonder how much if any this could help kellie.. perhaps renew her contract for another album i hope. I think it may help her quite a bit. BNA didn't seem to have much power compared to the other Sony imprints, aside from Kenny Chesney, but he's already long-since made a huge name for himself. She just needs a lot of different factors to all work together at the right time for her to get back to the Top 20 with something, and its still very doable. It almost seems like its a coin toss with what non-superstar-female single of the moment is going to be a hit, and then that happening is no guarantee of how the follow-ups will do (Sunny Sweeney, Ashton Shepherd, Jewel, Jessica Simpson, Julianne Hough, etc.). Luckily for Kellie Pickler though, she's had a much better track record than most give her credit for (five Top 20 hits).
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Post by Deleted on Jun 4, 2012 15:58:52 GMT -5
I think it may help her quite a bit. BNA didn't seem to have much power compared to the other Sony imprints, aside from Kenny Chesney, but he's already long-since made a huge name for himself. I doubt it. Like I just posted, BNA basically just became Columbia. The staff and the artist roster are the same. Sony just retired one imprint name, to revive another, but the radio promo people and all the BNA staff are still there, they are just Columbia staff now.
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Post by .indulgecountry on Jun 4, 2012 16:33:58 GMT -5
Regardless, I don't see why Kellie Pickler is in danger on an imprint made up of no-name artists, aside from Kenny Chesney, of course. If they're going to make adjustments to their artists roster, I doubt Kellie Pickler would be getting the same pink slip as failed acts like The Lunabelles.
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Post by jptexas on Jun 4, 2012 16:37:26 GMT -5
I heard the song the other day on our station and it sure is better than alot of the songs in the top 40 right now. Country radio is quickly becoming a man's only genre it seems. The only ones getting airplay and success are Taylor, Carrie, Miranda. I have to admit, that's a hell of a group but compared to their male counterparts, just a few.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 4, 2012 16:42:48 GMT -5
Regardless, I don't see why Kellie Pickler is in danger on an imprint made up of no-name artists, aside from Kenny Chesney, of course. If they're going to make adjustments to their artists roster, I doubt Kellie Pickler would be getting the same pink slip as failed acts like The Lunabelles. I'm not necessarily saying Kellie is in danger, and I'm definitely not saying she's less of a star than most acts on the Columbia imprint. BUT, if you're not making your label money, that's not exactly a good sign. If I were an artist, I'd rather be in Tyler Farr's or Jordyn Shellhart's shoes (or Bush Hawg, The Henningsens, & Brent Anderson from other Sony imprints)...Tyler had 1 single but they haven't tried with Jordyn yet. That, to me, signifies that these artists haven't been given much of a chance yet and labels usually don't sign artists unless they're gonna try to break them through. These new artists will probably get a couple of chances at least, and they'll either break through, or they won't, in which case their contract with the label would be in jeopardy. Kellie, on the other hand, has been around for a while and is currently at a much lower level of success than she once achieved. Downward momentum or no momentum is often what leads to an artist parting ways with his/her label. Kellie's last 3 singles have all under-performed big time, and her label might see it as "we've tried several times now, but haven't gotten a hit. Her glory days are behind her." Again, keep in mind that I'm just discussing/thinking aloud here. I am not from Sony, I'm not Kellie, I'm not an industry expert so I don't know anything for sure about what will happen. Just speculation.
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