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Post by Devil Marlena Nylund on Apr 11, 2012 9:04:12 GMT -5
Total ticket buyers - total number of albums redeemed = total number of potential albums still to be redeemed
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Post by Safado on Apr 11, 2012 9:08:01 GMT -5
Meh, saying something once is fine, but saying it over and over and over again, I mean really.
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Post by Adonis the DemiGod! on Apr 11, 2012 11:37:29 GMT -5
Who's gonna say not to something that's free? I imagine there were plenty of ticket holders who didn't redeem. Are there stats for that? I don't know but putting something out there for free with no additional cost of 3.49 or greater should constitute a sale. Might as well put it in walmart for free and say each one taken counts for a sale.
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Post by gracelessheart on Apr 11, 2012 11:49:31 GMT -5
I imagine there were plenty of ticket holders who didn't redeem. Are there stats for that? I don't know but putting something out there for free with no additional cost of 3.49 or greater should constitute a sale. Might as well put it in walmart for free and say each one taken counts for a sale. Not even going to get into this whole debate about extra costs, looking back it was pretty well covered during release week.
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Post by Devil Marlena Nylund on Apr 11, 2012 11:58:11 GMT -5
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Post by Adonis the DemiGod! on Apr 11, 2012 12:01:06 GMT -5
Billboard changed their rules as a result and implemented the gaga rule. Gaga had no control whereas Madonna did. So there is some important differences here.
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Post by closeyoureyes on Apr 11, 2012 13:55:20 GMT -5
I imagine there were plenty of ticket holders who didn't redeem. Are there stats for that? I don't know but putting something out there for free with no additional cost of 3.49 or greater should constitute a sale. Might as well put it in walmart for free and say each one taken counts for a sale. It's not quite the same as a free product when you have to buy a $55 (minimum) concert ticket to get your FREE ALBUM... BUT OF COURSE NO ONE SEEMS TO COMPREHEND THAT.
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Post by chartfreak on Apr 11, 2012 14:13:09 GMT -5
The article was inaccurate madonna only sold 174k last week not 179k She sold 359,000. Plain and simple. That is what's on the books.
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Post by Devil Marlena Nylund on Apr 11, 2012 14:33:44 GMT -5
I don't know but putting something out there for free with no additional cost of 3.49 or greater should constitute a sale. Might as well put it in walmart for free and say each one taken counts for a sale. It's not quite the same as a free product when you have to buy a $55 (minimum) concert ticket to get your FREE ALBUM... BUT OF COURSE NO ONE SEEMS TO COMPREHEND THAT. Many things come with free gifts. It's added incentive to buy the product. Haven't you ever seen an infomercial?
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Post by closeyoureyes on Apr 11, 2012 14:42:22 GMT -5
It's not quite the same as a free product when you have to buy a $55 (minimum) concert ticket to get your FREE ALBUM... BUT OF COURSE NO ONE SEEMS TO COMPREHEND THAT. Many things come with free gifts. It's added incentive to buy the product. Haven't you ever seen an infomercial? My entire point was - those redeemed albums didn't just appear out of thin air and get handed to people. Billboard, Live Nation, and countless of other reputable publications have confirmed that the album is part of what you pay for when you get the concert ticket, and when people are paying minimum amounts of $55 to go to a Madonna concert (most people pay up to $375), you can hardly say that MDNA was a hand out. I mean if people want MDNA, they go get MDNA. They don't pay for a concert ticket to get it. The fact that so many people chose to redeem it shows that there was curiosity for the album, just like the near half-million people who flocked to amazon to get Born This Way for less than a dollar. With MDNA, however, the album was rewarded to people who had already shelled out some big money for Madonna. Also, the incentive to get MDNA with the tour ticket isn't even disclosed to the customer until they've bought their tickets. I speak from experience.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 11, 2012 14:50:08 GMT -5
This thread at least won't be releveant next week for this stuff. Concert giveaways and 87% drops should be old news by then
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Post by Devil Marlena Nylund on Apr 11, 2012 14:55:16 GMT -5
Many things come with free gifts. It's added incentive to buy the product. Haven't you ever seen an infomercial? My entire point was - those redeemed albums didn't just appear out of thin air and get handed to people. Billboard, Live Nation, and countless of other reputable publications have confirmed that the album is part of what you pay for when you get the concert ticket, and when people are paying minimum amounts of $55 to go to a Madonna concert (most people pay up to $375), you can hardly say that MDNA was a hand out. I mean if people want MDNA, they go get MDNA. They don't pay for a concert ticket to get it. The fact that so many people chose to redeem it shows that there was curiosity for the album, just like the near half-million people who flocked to amazon to get Born This Way for less than a dollar. With MDNA, however, the album was rewarded to people who had already shelled out some big money for Madonna. Also, the incentive to get MDNA with the tour ticket isn't even disclosed to the customer until they've bought their tickets. I speak from experience. If I wanted a copy of the album, I'd go and buy it rather than buy a concert ticket. People that got a ticket wanted a ticket, or at most killed two birds with one stone. I'm mostly playing devil's advocate at this point because this entire topic has been killed over and over and despite why 2m just said, already is old news. People will believe what they want because frankly, this situation is one that really can go either way no matter who reports what. It's not even how it was bundled but whether it should count in the future if the same thing happens again. There's nothing you can say to change people's minds just like there's nothing that can change your mind. So just drop it already.
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Post by closeyoureyes on Apr 11, 2012 15:46:02 GMT -5
My entire point was - those redeemed albums didn't just appear out of thin air and get handed to people. Billboard, Live Nation, and countless of other reputable publications have confirmed that the album is part of what you pay for when you get the concert ticket, and when people are paying minimum amounts of $55 to go to a Madonna concert (most people pay up to $375), you can hardly say that MDNA was a hand out. I mean if people want MDNA, they go get MDNA. They don't pay for a concert ticket to get it. The fact that so many people chose to redeem it shows that there was curiosity for the album, just like the near half-million people who flocked to amazon to get Born This Way for less than a dollar. With MDNA, however, the album was rewarded to people who had already shelled out some big money for Madonna. Also, the incentive to get MDNA with the tour ticket isn't even disclosed to the customer until they've bought their tickets. I speak from experience. If I wanted a copy of the album, I'd go and buy it rather than buy a concert ticket. People that got a ticket wanted a ticket, or at most killed two birds with one stone. I'm mostly playing devil's advocate at this point because this entire topic has been killed over and over and despite why 2m just said, already is old news. People will believe what they want because frankly, this situation is one that really can go either way no matter who reports what. It's not even how it was bundled but whether it should count in the future if the same thing happens again. There's nothing you can say to change people's minds just like there's nothing that can change your mind. So just drop it already. Hey I wasn't the one who brought it up again. lol
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Post by asg4 on Apr 11, 2012 16:17:03 GMT -5
Many things come with free gifts. It's added incentive to buy the product. Haven't you ever seen an infomercial? My entire point was - those redeemed albums didn't just appear out of thin air and get handed to people. Billboard, Live Nation, and countless of other reputable publications have confirmed that the album is part of what you pay for when you get the concert ticket, and when people are paying minimum amounts of $55 to go to a Madonna concert (most people pay up to $375), you can hardly say that MDNA was a hand out. I mean if people want MDNA, they go get MDNA. They don't pay for a concert ticket to get it. The fact that so many people chose to redeem it shows that there was curiosity for the album, just like the near half-million people who flocked to amazon to get Born This Way for less than a dollar. With MDNA, however, the album was rewarded to people who had already shelled out some big money for Madonna. Also, the incentive to get MDNA with the tour ticket isn't even disclosed to the customer until they've bought their tickets. I speak from experience. If there was true demand for the album it wont have tanked in the 2nd week. The reason gaga and mdna fell so much was coz of inflated marketing otherwise we would have seen the typical drop off of 70%. ppl like to get things for free. Ticketmaster said the album was being given for free to i am just using their own words.
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Post by Tea-why on Apr 11, 2012 17:37:43 GMT -5
So Madonna sold 174k? Redemptions counted for 185k? Is that correct? Lionel and company did 199k. Madonna would have needed to sell 26k more to come out ahead of Lionel. So people think out of the 185k who spent all that money on concert tickets, if the bundle hadn't been available, 14% of those fans wouldn't have went to the store or downloaded the album? Come on people. Exactly!!!! Well said. If they paid that money to buy a concert ticket, most (if not all) of those people would've probably bought the album lol But anyways..... Congrats to Nicki. Two #1 albums in a row is muy impressive.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 12, 2012 6:11:38 GMT -5
If they paid 100$ to buy a concert ticket, I'm pretty sure they'd be big enough fans to buy a physical copy to put in their collection, and then just download the free version so they have it on their computer as well, accounting for 2 sales. But yeah, she probably would have still been #1.
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Post by Devil Marlena Nylund on Apr 12, 2012 12:39:21 GMT -5
Again, that's a lot of "if"s. It's a logically guess but at the same time, you can't really use them if you want to have an actual discussion that doesn't result in everyone going around in circles. ...oh wait, that's what's happened over the last two weeks.
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Post by seaguy27 on Apr 12, 2012 18:54:17 GMT -5
My entire point was - those redeemed albums didn't just appear out of thin air and get handed to people. Billboard, Live Nation, and countless of other reputable publications have confirmed that the album is part of what you pay for when you get the concert ticket, and when people are paying minimum amounts of $55 to go to a Madonna concert (most people pay up to $375), you can hardly say that MDNA was a hand out. I mean if people want MDNA, they go get MDNA. They don't pay for a concert ticket to get it. The fact that so many people chose to redeem it shows that there was curiosity for the album, just like the near half-million people who flocked to amazon to get Born This Way for less than a dollar. With MDNA, however, the album was rewarded to people who had already shelled out some big money for Madonna. Also, the incentive to get MDNA with the tour ticket isn't even disclosed to the customer until they've bought their tickets. I speak from experience. If there was true demand for the album it wont have tanked in the 2nd week. The reason gaga and mdna fell so much was coz of inflated marketing otherwise we would have seen the typical drop off of 70%. ppl like to get things for free. Ticketmaster said the album was being given for free to i am just using their own words. No offense, but you do not understand business and hidden charges and prices being rolled in to larger ones. That is called marketing. A good portion of the people who went out to buy Madonna concert tickets, now they may have not purchased the album the first week. The redemption inflated first week sales but not the overall sales of the album overall. Some of the first week sales would have gone to later weeks most likely. Without speculation she had 179k in non redemption sales and Lionel had 199k. So without the redemption only 21k of the 180k who did the redemption would have had to purchase the album for her to be #1. I think that would be very very conservative LOL.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 12, 2012 18:58:28 GMT -5
Smh ya'll are a mess. Anyways, how long do we have to wait til we get some f*cking news about how Madonna's new album is doing? Gawsh.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 12, 2012 19:18:44 GMT -5
I vote for a lock of this thread
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Post by ListenToItTwice on Apr 12, 2012 20:11:28 GMT -5
Seconded. This is going nowhere.
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