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Post by Lolly on Apr 24, 2012 20:03:04 GMT -5
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Post by josh on Apr 24, 2012 20:38:14 GMT -5
Great news too bad the album will be out by then...
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Post by Lolly on Apr 24, 2012 20:48:14 GMT -5
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Post by foxxden on Apr 24, 2012 22:25:15 GMT -5
On what planet does sending the song to radio 2 weeks after the album release make sense ???
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Post by istemem on Apr 24, 2012 22:43:16 GMT -5
On what planet does sending the song to radio 2 weeks after the album release make sense ??? Could make sense on Gliese 581 c (or d?). Not on earth.
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Post by snowflakes on Apr 25, 2012 5:26:40 GMT -5
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Post by greenlight on Apr 25, 2012 5:47:53 GMT -5
On what planet does sending the song to radio 2 weeks after the album release make sense ??? It is probably easier and cheaper to push a song on a smaller format and use its success on it to move onto a larger one. But I am not sure that HAC is the best format for NCOE, so wondering how it will work out ???
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Post by street on Apr 25, 2012 6:28:03 GMT -5
RCA seems to be mshandling this era for him. Nothing really makes much sense.
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Post by greenlight on Apr 25, 2012 7:40:39 GMT -5
RCA seems to be mshandling this era for him. Nothing really makes much sense. Sony owns the X Factor franchise (or part of) and I have been wondering for a while if they really want to make any recent Idol alum happen :o
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Post by Q3 on Apr 25, 2012 8:56:48 GMT -5
RCA seems to be mshandling this era for him. Nothing really makes much sense. Sony owns the X Factor franchise (or part of) and I have been wondering for a while if they really want to make any recent Idol alum happen :o There is a promotional strategy being used that involves a slow promotion build, album promotion to existing fans at beginning of cycle, trailing big hit single(s) to sell more albums after the release. It only works when the album is good OR if there is an underlying fad/trend building. Most effective when the album is both good and fits an underlying trend. Adam's album is really good from what we have heard. Buzz about it is good. Will it start a return to dance music with song vocals? If so, it could be a major hit album. It worked for Adele. It worked for Kelly Clarkson. That looks like what RCA is doing for Adam. I haven't seen an HAC add date yet -- but maybe they will really surprise everyone and push this track to CHR first. It would be unusual for an ex-Idol, and an established Adult Pop artist to ignore HAC but anything is possible with this promo plan. :) ----- Regarding Sony preferring X-Factor to the ex-Idols on their roster -- that is not really sensible. Sony divisions need to make money. RCA has a ton of money invested in Adam's sophomore album. They did that after Sony inked the X-Factor US deal. X-Factor US artists who get signed to a record deal get a contract with Syco Music who has a deal with Sony Music to partner with larger Sony Music labels to provide marketing, A&R and promotion for artists signed to Syco Music. So far the X-Factor artists are mostly being assigned to Epic Records which makes sense since since Epic Records chairman/CEO L.A. Reid is also an "X Factor" U.S. judge/mentor. No evidence that Sony is ignoring Carrie, Kelly or Adam. They are all artists who can make them money and this is a business about making money.
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Post by greenlight on Apr 25, 2012 10:18:34 GMT -5
Sony owns the X Factor franchise (or part of) and I have been wondering for a while if they really want to make any recent Idol alum happen :o There is a promotional strategy being used that involves a slow promotion build, album promotion to existing fans at beginning of cycle, trailing big hit single(s) to sell more albums after the release. It only works when the album is good OR if there is an underlying fad/trend building. Most effective when the album is both good and fits an underlying trend. Adam's album is really good from what we have heard. Buzz about it is good. Will it start a return to dance music with song vocals? If so, it could be a major hit album. It worked for Adele. It worked for Kelly Clarkson. That looks like what RCA is doing for Adam. I haven't seen an HAC add date yet -- but maybe they will really surprise everyone and push this track to CHR first. It would be unusual for an ex-Idol, and an established Adult Pop artist to ignore HAC but anything is possible with this promo plan. :) You are right there is no HAC adds date yet and I jumped the gun because it got 5 HAC adds v 1 top 40. However, although the idea that they would release the best single late to keep the initial sales going makes sense, it doesn't have to be so late, particulalrly as there is no significant previous single. When will radio play create enough traction to boost the album sales? six weeks aftre the album release? it is a very long void without a single to support it. The hope is that the album is so good that it will sell well for long enough without initial radio play to survive until radio play catches on. This is a really risky strategy in my opinion. But, we'll see... Regarding Sony preferring X-Factor to the ex-Idols on their roster -- that is not really sensible. Sony divisions need to make money. RCA has a ton of money invested in Adam's sophomore album. They did that after Sony inked the X-Factor US deal. X-Factor US artists who get signed to a record deal get a contract with Syco Music who has a deal with Sony Music to partner with larger Sony Music labels to provide marketing, A&R and promotion for artists signed to Syco Music. So far the X-Factor artists are mostly being assigned to Epic Records which makes sense since since Epic Records chairman/CEO L.A. Reid is also an "X Factor" U.S. judge/mentor. No evidence that Sony is ignoring Carrie, Kelly or Adam. They are all artist who can make them money and this is a business about making money. There is no evidence that Sony is ignoring Kellie and Carrie, for sure. They are huge and make a lot of money for them. They are also part of the old Idol era, and not associated the meme that Idols can't create superstars anymore. However, as Sony not only signs the US X Factor acts, but more significantly owns Syco jointly with Simon Cowell, I can imagine why they would not be in a hurry to promote anything that can boost the competition, and disprove this idea that Idol is no longer relevant. I am not sure where Adam fits in this, but as far as I am concerned, so far I don't see much evidence that Sony is doing a good job with him. The album is supposed to be amazing, and it's good, but until it has dropped and we have heard it, I'll take it with a pinch of salt. Wasn't Time For Miracle supposed to be a Classic (until it dropped) and BTIKM a radio PDs favorite (until it dropped). Using only what has happened as evidence, not what might happen in the future, I cannot see anything impressive in this era roll-out. On the other hand, I have no evidence to support my conspiracy theories about Sony either, it is just a possibility in my mind.
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Post by lucytor on Apr 25, 2012 12:48:31 GMT -5
... I am not sure where Adam fits in this, but as far as I am concerned, so far I don't see much evidence that Sony is doing a good job with him. The album is supposed to be amazing, and it's good, but until it has dropped and we have heard it, I'll take it with a pinch of salt. Wasn't Time For Miracle supposed to be a Classic (until it dropped) and BTIKM a radio PDs favorite (until it dropped). Using only what has happened as evidence, not what might happen in the future, I cannot see anything impressive in this era roll-out. On the other hand, I have no evidence to support my conspiracy theories about Sony either, it is just a possibility in my mind. We have longish snips from the album, and I think it is very good, much better than fye. At least it's more fun and def more cohesive for me; I realize this is all subjective. otoh, I also don't see much sense in this release strategy. If they had wanted to create buzz for Trespassing, they wouldn't have released btikm, which doesn't represent the album, or stuck with it long after it had become obvious it wasn't working, or sent Adam on a radio tour with a song that was doa. As you say, ncoe's end of May adds date leaves the album in a void for a few months. I really don't get how that is a smart move for Trespassing.
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Post by poptartz on Apr 25, 2012 14:08:10 GMT -5
well, there is nothing to stop any station from adding BEFORE May 29th. hopefully, RCA is working to get a decent number of early spinners on board. maybe Adam has some good tv promo clustered around the time of the album release to help with initial sales. just gotta wait and see. imo, this song is too good to be ignored by radio the way BTIKM was.
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Post by esoteric76 on Apr 25, 2012 15:31:29 GMT -5
However, as Sony not only signs the US X Factor acts, but more significantly owns Syco jointly with Simon Cowell, I can imagine why they would not be in a hurry to promote anything that can boost the competition, and disprove this idea that Idol is no longer relevant. I see where you're going with this, but as Q3 stated, this is a business about making money, and they have high hopes for all their Idol artists (Daughtry, Kris Allen) and Adam (as well as their divas Carrie/Kelly). Besides, from an international standpoint, Adam's Idol past has very little relevance to those fans. When Leona's "Bleeding Love" went #1 here, we knew that she was from the X-Factor, but we knew nothing of her journey. It was treated as launching a brand new artist without any previous knowledge. This is really a first of sorts for any Idol contestant, in terms of the excitement that Adam has built in many countries. Adam is going to be travelling all over the world on this album (plus the Queen thing) so there is a lot at stake. I know it seems like the whole thing is a hot mess, but I firmly believe that it is all going to come together... Hopefully NCOE is the glue.
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Post by snowflakes on Apr 25, 2012 18:41:05 GMT -5
Adam is taping his AOL sessions today. I'm hoping he also get's another VH1 unplugged.
Shaun Amin @shaunamin Stage Managing AOL "Sessions" today featuring Adam Lambert. #shouldbeinteresting
Don't forget Jimmy Kimmel mini outdoor concert tomorrow night. Jimmy released tickets 4x's so it should be a full house(2000 Capacity).
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Post by Lolly on Apr 25, 2012 20:04:09 GMT -5
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Post by snowflakes on Apr 27, 2012 1:50:18 GMT -5
Adam performance Jimmy Kimmel- NCOE
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Post by moodswings on Apr 27, 2012 11:37:09 GMT -5
He was so amazing on Kimmel last night. Who else can sing like that live? Just incredible.
Do we have a definite date for when he'll be on Idol yet? I cannot WAIT.
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Post by Hussy on Apr 27, 2012 23:07:18 GMT -5
why this isn't even in the top 100 on itunes :O
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Post by divasummer on Apr 28, 2012 9:30:44 GMT -5
Airplay hasn't really kicked in so I wouldn't expect it to stay in the Top 100 at ITunes to long.
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Post by Rumors on Apr 29, 2012 9:07:12 GMT -5
...and the same story continues...great, great vocals with disposable pop songs.
I think Adam will have a very nice opening week as he does have a dedicated (mainly female) fanbase in the US. However, if this song doesn't catch up, I don't expect much longevity. People out there are kind of like me. We know Adam has the vocal talent but is he ever going to deliever a great song. I'm still waiting....yeah, maybe there have been great unreleased songs. I don't know. I'm not going to vest any time to find out as I'm just a casual observer. That's the way most people are with most artists until something makes them stand and take notice. Vocals alone don't do it for me as I'm not a female fawning over his image - looks - bad boy/good boy persona, etc.
The song, the song, the song....
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Post by KMJ1 on Apr 29, 2012 10:15:59 GMT -5
^ totally great points. For me the 'music' has been very underwhelming. Hes the type of personality/image who had the momentum initially to really raise the bar and put out some innovative, hot jams. Theyve all been lackluster-meh far as Im concerned. There is however one new song on his album that got produced by Nile Rodgers who was a mega hit producer in the 70s and 80s but his style is very old school disco/funk. So far, (forget the name of the song) thats actually the hottest song on the album lol but prob. has the least chance of getting released as a single or to radio. Theres def. clips of it on You Tube and most people agree with me and say its a really sexy, hot song, one of, if not, the best on the album but (again) radio would prob. never play it.
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Post by lucytor on Apr 29, 2012 11:02:17 GMT -5
...and the same story continues...great, great vocals with disposable pop songs. I think Adam will have a very nice opening week as he does have a dedicated (mainly female) fanbase in the US. However, if this song doesn't catch up, I don't expect much longevity. People out there are kind of like me. We know Adam has the vocal talent but is he ever going to deliever a great song...Vocals alone don't do it for me as I'm not a female fawning over his image - looks - bad boy/good boy persona, etc. The song, the song, the song.... "Great" and "disposable" are subjective terms, and I disagree that these are key issues. Forget existential definitions of great art; they go nowhere. Pop is full of "disposable" songs, and for all we know, those disposable songs will be considered classics in 2050. What Adam or any other artist going for pop success needs is a song, "disposable" or not, that works on radio and sells the album. A few other problems with this post: Why stress the "female" fan base "fawning" over the guy? As a woman, I find that objectionable, in that the implication is that a female fan base is by definition inferior, irrational, and oh so laughable in its ridiculous "fawning." Also, conflating vocals with image does not make sense: "Vocals alone don't do it for me as I'm not a female fawning over his image - looks - bad boy/good boy persona, etc." It should be obvious that going for vocals is not the same as going for image, and neither of those is the same as going for the music.
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Post by tambien on Apr 29, 2012 11:11:25 GMT -5
I think you are referring to "Shady", and I agree that it will be one the best off that album. Love what I have heard from the snippet and can't wait to hear the entire thing. It is so different from what is out there now...
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Post by Feelin'.$$$hady on Apr 29, 2012 12:17:53 GMT -5
Naked Love should have been a single, it's a summer smash. If nothing else, at least Canada seems to be mildly excited about NCOE.
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Post by perfectsmile on Apr 29, 2012 14:44:19 GMT -5
Hope he is filming his MV for NCOE this week! His vids always help the song move. :)
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Post by graffeodl on Apr 29, 2012 17:24:21 GMT -5
FYI Shady is not produced by Nile Rogers, he plays guitar on it. It was produced by Lester Mendez and written by Adam and Sam Sparro. They were working on the track and Adam thought it needed some Nile Rogers style guitar and Sam said let's tweet him so they did and he agreed and two days later he laid down guitar tracks for it.
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Post by Lolly on Apr 30, 2012 4:40:14 GMT -5
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Post by street on May 1, 2012 16:33:36 GMT -5
Has this been released in Australia or NZ yet? I know those were big markets for Adam for the FYE era. Just wondered what the response was to this single.
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