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Post by slw84 on Mar 22, 2015 8:37:39 GMT -5
do you all think she'll do another north american leg of the tour?
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Post by Luckie Starchild on Mar 23, 2015 10:46:01 GMT -5
Hey gurls,
I just scored tix to Katy's sold out concert in Tokyo on April 25th! :o
Holla back, y'all!
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Post by tamed09 on Mar 23, 2015 11:00:30 GMT -5
then go away and record an album that shows more maturity and more a/c friendly with the pop element still. I think she'll transition into more songs like choose your battles/double rainbow/spiritual etc. Not sure we'll get any more dark horses and roars as far as maturity is concerned. THey were hits but either teenage friendly and/or relying on cliches. I think she's ready to take it to the next level and she can afford to. Nearly this exact post could have been written while she was making Prism. She wanted to take it darker, but she wasn't able to. She's been itching for her own Jagged Little Pill, but she's part of a machine now and I don't see her ever being able completely shift from the cotton candy songs that have made her what she is. While I appreciate her singer/songwriter side a lot, the record label doesn't seem to. If they did, we wouldn't have had Roar as single #1 and a lame PR message that she "let the light in" and replaced all the dark post divorce songs with Dr. Luke stuff. THIS! Capitol always says she calls the shots as does her management team who say she makes the moves and they follow but I just don't see them allowing her to put out that kind of album and I think she understands that in this day and age of pop stars one wrong move album wise can be it
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Post by KeepDeanWeird on Mar 23, 2015 23:31:33 GMT -5
Nearly this exact post could have been written while she was making Prism. She wanted to take it darker, but she wasn't able to. She's been itching for her own Jagged Little Pill, but she's part of a machine now and I don't see her ever being able completely shift from the cotton candy songs that have made her what she is. While I appreciate her singer/songwriter side a lot, the record label doesn't seem to. If they did, we wouldn't have had Roar as single #1 and a lame PR message that she "let the light in" and replaced all the dark post divorce songs with Dr. Luke stuff. THIS! Capitol always says she calls the shots as does her management team who say she makes the moves and they follow but I just don't see them allowing her to put out that kind of album and I think she understands that in this day and age of pop stars one wrong move album wise can be it It's similar to P!nk situation - after Funhouse/GH, she really wanted to do more acoustic music, but P!nk is not stupid - she knows what her mass success gives her - plus after "TT" and the very slow start (at least in US of IMD), she wasn't going to stop. The solution aka compromise was the "You + Me" side project. It allowed her to make that type of music without hurting the "P!nk Brand." If anything, added to her cred and served as a good bridge to her next effort. I could see KP doing something similar.
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Post by Devil Marlena Nylund on Mar 23, 2015 23:58:07 GMT -5
With Pink though, I think most people knew or believed she could pull off a more 'credible' musician-like album whereas I don't believe Katy has that same benefit to her name. I don't think anyone would take anything too serious from her very seriously.
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Post by Glove Slap on Mar 24, 2015 0:15:19 GMT -5
With Pink though, I think most people knew or believed she could pull off a more 'credible' musician-like album whereas I don't believe Katy has that same benefit to her name. I don't think anyone would take anything too serious from her very seriously. ...and your proof of this is? The argument is also too 2-D. This is where my expectations point comes through. If no one expects much, not much has to be done to impress. Plus this makes it seem like Pink's side project was some valued jewel among the press or the public. It got mostly good reviews, but it wasn't lavished with praise by any means and once the section of her core base who were interested in it got it, it vanished quickly. If you compare the numbers in any market to any of her projects in the past several years, it would be a disaster, but that's not the point. It did what's to be expected of a project like it, it got made. If Katy Perry wants to go around small clubs and venues with an acoustic guitar doing coffeeshop-esque material, she can more than do that at this point. If anyone doubts her ability to sell out ~1.5k venues on her name alone by this point (you know, coming off a world tour that sold out arenas), you're delusional.
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Post by Devil Marlena Nylund on Mar 24, 2015 1:27:28 GMT -5
With Pink though, I think most people knew or believed she could pull off a more 'credible' musician-like album whereas I don't believe Katy has that same benefit to her name. I don't think anyone would take anything too serious from her very seriously. ...and your proof of this is? The argument is also too 2-D. This is where my expectations point comes through. If no one expects much, not much has to be done to impress. Plus this makes it seem like Pink's side project was some valued jewel among the press or the public. It got mostly good reviews, but it wasn't lavished with praise by any means and once the section of her core base who were interested in it got it, it vanished quickly. If you compare the numbers in any market to any of her projects in the past several years, it would be a disaster, but that's not the point. It did what's to be expected of a project like it, it got made. If Katy Perry wants to go around small clubs and venues with an acoustic guitar doing coffeeshop-esque material, she can more than do that at this point. If anyone doubts her ability to sell out ~1.5k venues on her name alone by this point (you know, coming off a world tour that sold out arenas), you're delusional. I have no proof because it was simply an observation based on what I read, which I admit is probably pretty limited anyway. I just don't see Katy often considered to be a 'credible' artist in the sense that she could pull off an acoustic singer/songwriter side-record the way Pink did. The thing with Pink's side album is that its existence isn't that far out of left field. I think most people who know Pink well enough knew she would eventually record an album of that nature sooner or later, whether it was the folk album it is, or a rock record, or something blues-influenced. Its performance in sales and singles is a whole other issue because it wasn't promoted and there weren't actually any singles from it - I think it could have done decently in appropriate areas if it had been. Katy is much less versatile in her music based on what she's presented so far and I think that has limited what people both expect and want from her. However, I do like your line "If no one expects much, not much has to be done to impress." and it's true. If Katy were to release a folk or singer/songwriter album that centred on lyrics and performance rather than melody and production, it's very possible she could pull it off and do a good job at it. I feel like I should clarify that I'm not talking about numbers and sales and chart stats. I've no doubt that Katy could sell out small venues for an acoustic tour. She has the name to do that and people would be curious. But could she pull off such a tour/album and do so convincingly and win people over doing so, or would she be a laughingstock and fail miserably because nobody can take acoustic-Katy seriously?
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Post by slamina on Mar 24, 2015 5:41:00 GMT -5
^The former
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Post by SHOOTER on Mar 24, 2015 10:29:57 GMT -5
She didn't exactly receive glowing reviews for her Unplugged set either but I think if she truly marketed and treated an acoustic romp as a side project, she'd have nothing to lose.
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Post by Luckie Starchild on Mar 24, 2015 17:28:07 GMT -5
Does anyone know if Katy will have an opening act for the Asia leg of her tour? Hello?
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Post by SPRΞΞ on Mar 26, 2015 12:36:45 GMT -5
Another Summer album would make a lot of sense, but I wouldn't expect anything until 2016. PRISM wasn't a commercial failure, but it didn't hold up. singles-wise no, but after 75 weeks, the album is still #65 on the BB200. So it's definitely holding up in that regard.
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Post by jumpb4uthink on Mar 27, 2015 14:29:24 GMT -5
Hate to beat a dead horse, but is it too late to release Legendary Lovers......so disappointed that it was not released and I read that she wanted.LL out there.
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Post by Devil Marlena Nylund on Mar 27, 2015 15:15:03 GMT -5
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Post by musiciscool on Mar 27, 2015 22:48:32 GMT -5
Hate to beat a dead horse, but is it too late to release Legendary Lovers......so disappointed that it was not released and I read that she wanted.LL out there. I hear you. I'm disappointed that Walking On Air wasn't released either. Legendary Lovers is also a great track that I wouldn't mind getting a release to radio. Oh, such great songs that will probably never see the light of day.
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Post by KissMyAxe on Mar 28, 2015 2:54:32 GMT -5
Walking On Air, it was a smash waiting to happen :'(
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Post by wjr15 on Mar 28, 2015 14:29:47 GMT -5
Walking On Air, it was a smash waiting to happen :'( Maybe there will be a viral video one day with Walking On Air and then it will fly up the charts and her team will push a surprise release to radio...one can only dream lol
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Post by stunnedout on Mar 31, 2015 6:52:51 GMT -5
Walking On Air, it was a smash waiting to happen :'( Cant believe they didn't release that. Her singles this era were foolish.
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Post by bat1990 on Mar 31, 2015 10:47:31 GMT -5
My single order for Prism: Roar Dark Horse Unconditionally Walking on Air Birthday Legendary Lovers
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Post by ILLUSION on Mar 31, 2015 10:52:08 GMT -5
Whatever happened to the single after Birthday? Did they just change their minds and yank it? I thought they were sending LL to radio.
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Post by SPRΞΞ on Mar 31, 2015 10:59:13 GMT -5
I think she should've scrapped the pre-order tracks idea (or released the mid-tempo tracks) and went:
Roar Legendary Lovers Dark Horse Walking On Air Birthday Unconditionally
the whole "this era is messy" situation began when Dark Horse was released as a pre-order track. Had they saved it, they could've snuck LL in there after Roar, and that would've done a hell of a lot better, if not #1, than Uncle.
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Post by ILLUSION on Mar 31, 2015 11:33:25 GMT -5
I think Unconditionally was the better choice over LL for single #2 but I do agree that releasing DH as a pre-order track hurt Unconditionally's chances for a higher peak.
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Post by Glove Slap on Mar 31, 2015 12:42:22 GMT -5
Unconditionally got bad callout scores, it was never going to be massive with such a response. The good thing was that none of her momentum was broken because of Roar's longevity and Dark Horse rising on its own. She essentially had 3 very different songs out there getting traction somewhere in Q4 2013, a golden ticket showcasing the variety of her album on the airwaves.
I thought Birthday was a fine single choice and still do, it just didn't take. I maintain also that TIHWD would have done better as the 4th single. I wish they'd tried LL with Drake if it actually happened, but on the other hand a collaboration would not be a bad way to open the next album campaign. She proved with Roar that she's capable of launching a big project with just her name so it won't really do anything negative.
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Post by kmbgs on Mar 31, 2015 13:04:47 GMT -5
RIP WOA
Add it to the list of smashes that never were
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Post by Live Your Life on Apr 1, 2015 12:01:26 GMT -5
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Post by Devil Marlena Nylund on Apr 1, 2015 13:18:56 GMT -5
Wow @ her hair! I like it!
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Post by StrongBreakaway on Apr 1, 2015 14:36:22 GMT -5
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Post by KeepDeanWeird on Apr 1, 2015 16:56:14 GMT -5
Unconditionally got bad callout scores, it was never going to be massive with such a response. The good thing was that none of her momentum was broken because of Roar's longevity and Dark Horse rising on its own. She essentially had 3 very different songs out there getting traction somewhere in Q4 2013, a golden ticket showcasing the variety of her album on the airwaves. I thought Birthday was a fine single choice and still do, it just didn't take. I maintain also that TIHWD would have done better as the 4th single. I wish they'd tried LL with Drake if it actually happened, but on the other hand a collaboration would not be a bad way to open the next album campaign. She proved with Roar that she's capable of launching a big project with just her name so it won't really do anything negative. Birthday was a fine fourth single choice, but they had two mistake: 1) unexpected DH longevity - waiting four more weeks would've helped; 2) not issuing a 'single' edit of the video (perhaps combining all the different videos) would've been helped - as you might recall, the lyric video did really well - I still like that one. The most important thing is that KP didn't issue some type of 'fan' emergency or lose it when UnC didn't meet expectations, etc. Instead, she just kept doing her thing and, oh, was rewarded with a nice spot on the SB. Could the era have been better, yes, but there are far more examples of artists who pretty much bomb after having a massive project along the lines of TD.
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Post by Mack on Apr 1, 2015 17:28:48 GMT -5
Wow, I actually love that style on her. It looks a bit like a wig, though.
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Post by allow that on Apr 1, 2015 23:53:16 GMT -5
She looks just like a black haired Olly Alexander... And lo and behold, she was with him yesterday.
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Post by skizzo on Apr 24, 2015 23:47:42 GMT -5
I actually really like Unconditionally and was disappointed when it underperformed. I didnt like Birthday nor This Is How We Do, at all, so wasnt surprised when they bombed (for her standards). I think she had much stronger material on the album to release instead, such a shame. Walking On Air being the best example.
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