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Post by carriekins on Jul 31, 2013 13:40:11 GMT -5
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Post by rsmatto on Jul 31, 2013 14:40:53 GMT -5
Even if they did that, would any of us bother paying attention to it? I still wouldn't, but it would at least be a smidgen less ridiculous if they weren't measuring its 'records' against those from 50+ years ago, especially since back then the chart was compiled ENTIRELY via a different methodology. How entirely different was the old chart? Wasn't it a measure of Singles (45s) sales and 'reported' airplay, part of which was no doubt influenced by something like Payola? While I agree the metrics used for this new chart are different and maybe shouldn't include airplay from other genres, they really only used "Airplay only" from 1991 until the change last year. So charting against the 50+ year old records isn't as 'bad' as we seemingly think it is right now.
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Post by dajross6 on Jul 31, 2013 16:15:01 GMT -5
I understand the comparison to the old 45s included on the old chart to the new one, but the landscape has changed drastically. The new format actually invites songs to crossover to Pop/Hot AC in order to top the chart which in my opinion is something that shouldn't be applauded on the Country Songs chart. If the chart counted country airplay and singles sales, there would be some griping but I think the chart would someday be accepted. Having the final 19 #1 weeks be ONLY because of pop airplay is quite a bit different than jukebox plays and vinyl record sales.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 31, 2013 20:38:48 GMT -5
I still wouldn't, but it would at least be a smidgen less ridiculous if they weren't measuring its 'records' against those from 50+ years ago, especially since back then the chart was compiled ENTIRELY via a different methodology. How entirely different was the old chart? Wasn't it a measure of Singles (45s) sales and 'reported' airplay, part of which was no doubt influenced by something like Payola? While I agree the metrics used for this new chart are different and maybe shouldn't include airplay from other genres, they really only used "Airplay only" from 1991 until the change last year. So charting against the 50+ year old records isn't as 'bad' as we seemingly think it is right now. In addition to the great explanation provided by dajross6, the charts from several decades ago didn't include digital sales, because there was no such thing as the internet back then. Songs weren't circulating around the internet then, so really the only way people heard those songs was by listening to the radio. If they liked them, they went out and bought them. Fans of country music were the ones buying those old 45's and such, when they were making it big on the radio. Nowadays, with digital sales, you have no clue who is buying the song. There is no way that the 5+ million people who bought "Cruise" are actually country fans. Heck, I don't even think the original version (without Nelly) was purchased by mostly country fans. A lot of modern country music doesn't really sound all that country so a lot of people who don't listen to country radio wind up buying the songs. There are a lot of ways of gathering call-out research, and I think that gives a better feel as to what country listeners want. Because some songs sell well but don't test all that well, and so who is actually buying those songs? I just don't like airplay and digital sales going together, because I think they are apples and oranges. But again, the worst part is the inclusion of multi-format airplay. With the current situation, "Cruise" is about to be crowned the biggest country hit of all-time by Billboard and that is simply ridiculous and unacceptable to me, considering the only reason that it's been #1 for the last 19 weeks on this new chart is due to a remix with Nelly and a bunch of non-country radio airplay.
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Post by onebuffalo on Aug 1, 2013 10:35:53 GMT -5
How entirely different was the old chart? Wasn't it a measure of Singles (45s) sales and 'reported' airplay, part of which was no doubt influenced by something like Payola? While I agree the metrics used for this new chart are different and maybe shouldn't include airplay from other genres, they really only used "Airplay only" from 1991 until the change last year. So charting against the 50+ year old records isn't as 'bad' as we seemingly think it is right now. In addition to the great explanation provided by dajross6, the charts from several decades ago didn't include digital sales, because there was no such thing as the internet back then. Songs weren't circulating around the internet then, so really the only way people heard those songs was by listening to the radio. If they liked them, they went out and bought them. Fans of country music were the ones buying those old 45's and such, when they were making it big on the radio. Nowadays, with digital sales, you have no clue who is buying the song. There is no way that the 5+ million people who bought "Cruise" are actually country fans. Heck, I don't even think the original version (without Nelly) was purchased by mostly country fans. A lot of modern country music doesn't really sound all that country so a lot of people who don't listen to country radio wind up buying the songs. There are a lot of ways of gathering call-out research, and I think that gives a better feel as to what country listeners want. Because some songs sell well but don't test all that well, and so who is actually buying those songs? I just don't like airplay and digital sales going together, because I think they are apples and oranges. But again, the worst part is the inclusion of multi-format airplay. With the current situation, "Cruise" is about to be crowned the biggest country hit of all-time by Billboard and that is simply ridiculous and unacceptable to me, considering the only reason that it's been #1 for the last 19 weeks on this new chart is due to a remix with Nelly and a bunch of non-country radio airplay. Songs weren't circulating around the internet then. Excuse me. I remember downloading He Stopped Loving Her Today in 1980 and watching it on YouTube.
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Post by McCreerian on Aug 1, 2013 11:03:58 GMT -5
In addition to the great explanation provided by dajross6, the charts from several decades ago didn't include digital sales, because there was no such thing as the internet back then. Songs weren't circulating around the internet then, so really the only way people heard those songs was by listening to the radio. If they liked them, they went out and bought them. Fans of country music were the ones buying those old 45's and such, when they were making it big on the radio. Nowadays, with digital sales, you have no clue who is buying the song. There is no way that the 5+ million people who bought "Cruise" are actually country fans. Heck, I don't even think the original version (without Nelly) was purchased by mostly country fans. A lot of modern country music doesn't really sound all that country so a lot of people who don't listen to country radio wind up buying the songs. There are a lot of ways of gathering call-out research, and I think that gives a better feel as to what country listeners want. Because some songs sell well but don't test all that well, and so who is actually buying those songs? I just don't like airplay and digital sales going together, because I think they are apples and oranges. But again, the worst part is the inclusion of multi-format airplay. With the current situation, "Cruise" is about to be crowned the biggest country hit of all-time by Billboard and that is simply ridiculous and unacceptable to me, considering the only reason that it's been #1 for the last 19 weeks on this new chart is due to a remix with Nelly and a bunch of non-country radio airplay. Songs weren't circulating around the internet then. Excuse me. I remember downloading He Stopped Loving Her Today in 1980 and watching it on YouTube. Me too! Infact that's the first thing I did when I came home from the hospital after being born in July that year! I was born Country!
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Post by onebuffalo on Aug 1, 2013 11:06:17 GMT -5
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Post by Zazie on Aug 1, 2013 12:01:45 GMT -5
There was rampant corruption in the country airplay tallying for the BB chart in the 1980's. Radio stations invented their airplay lists so that lots of songs could move up 10-9-8-7-6-5-4-3-2-1 and then drop really fast after they got their turn at #1. It was the worst of the "you scratch my back I'll scratch yours" version of corruption. I don't think anybody who studies the history of the country charts comes away impressed by the methods used in the 80's.
But the imperfections of earlier periods don't justify the lapses of the current period, do they?
I don't like hybrid charts that combine sales with airplay. That's been done before and it wasn't a good idea then either.
Still, far worse than the hybrid chart is the designation as the primary country chart something not based on the country genre at all. Why even have a "country" designation if you're going to call Cruise a 20+ week #1 "country" song? Plus, we get to look at the airplay chart and we see all the songs that didn't get to the #1 position, songs that in previous years would have been #1's.
You can defend the new chart in various ways, but I don't believe you can defend it as the main country chart. So after 70+ years of making an attempt to separate country music from other types, Billboard just walks away from it and I'm supposed to say "Let's not forget there were problems in earlier decades too."
P.S. You who were born in 1980 must have been using Napster to download, right? After all, you were taking naps pretty much round the clock.
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Post by rsmatto on Aug 1, 2013 12:02:30 GMT -5
How entirely different was the old chart? Wasn't it a measure of Singles (45s) sales and 'reported' airplay, part of which was no doubt influenced by something like Payola? While I agree the metrics used for this new chart are different and maybe shouldn't include airplay from other genres, they really only used "Airplay only" from 1991 until the change last year. So charting against the 50+ year old records isn't as 'bad' as we seemingly think it is right now. In addition to the great explanation provided by dajross6, the charts from several decades ago didn't include digital sales, because there was no such thing as the internet back then. Songs weren't circulating around the internet then, so really the only way people heard those songs was by listening to the radio. If they liked them, they went out and bought them. Fans of country music were the ones buying those old 45's and such, when they were making it big on the radio. Nowadays, with digital sales, you have no clue who is buying the song. There is no way that the 5+ million people who bought "Cruise" are actually country fans. Heck, I don't even think the original version (without Nelly) was purchased by mostly country fans. A lot of modern country music doesn't really sound all that country so a lot of people who don't listen to country radio wind up buying the songs. There are a lot of ways of gathering call-out research, and I think that gives a better feel as to what country listeners want. Because some songs sell well but don't test all that well, and so who is actually buying those songs? I just don't like airplay and digital sales going together, because I think they are apples and oranges. But again, the worst part is the inclusion of multi-format airplay. With the current situation, "Cruise" is about to be crowned the biggest country hit of all-time by Billboard and that is simply ridiculous and unacceptable to me, considering the only reason that it's been #1 for the last 19 weeks on this new chart is due to a remix with Nelly and a bunch of non-country radio airplay. Well, here's a GREAT article by Wade Jessen which confirmed my suspicions about how the chart worked back then. Jukebox, then Jukebox, sales and Airplay reports. Substitute "Jukebox" with "Streaming." Knowing how the singles were 'charted' by Billboard 'back in the day' to now seems no different, even if Florida Georgia Line had 'crossover' success. Eddy Arnold was a crossover star in his day (this single peaked at #22 at Pop) so the analysis that 'non Country' fans bought/played the FGL track can be said for Eddy Arnold as well. As for callout scores, most of those calls are still to landlines (just like political polling). I also think (hope) that more 'traditional' fare will sell/chart better once internet/streaming is more widely available in rural areas (many of which are just barely getting high speed internet thanks to satellite internet improvements.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 1, 2013 15:01:55 GMT -5
Matt, I understand what you're saying but my problems aren't really with streaming or sales. It's adding them together with airplay that I do not like, because it just seems so silly and pointless to me. And the worst part about the airplay component is that it includes ALL formats. You can't say that Eddy Arnold got his 21 weeks at #1 because of pop airplay. Even if his song was getting played on non-country stations, it wasn't counting towards any audience total back then (and of course they couldn't monitor audience at all, really, prior to Nielsen). FGL has had 19 weeks at #1 on the MAIN country chart because of massive pop radio airplay, which far exceeded the typical #1 total that any country song can get to. And of course that Pop airplay led to a ton of sales.
I would only accept this new chart if 2 things happened. First, no all-genre airplay. A genre chart should only include airplay from that genre. Billboard already has its silly Hot 100 to compile all-genre calculations. Having pop, rap, AC, hip-hop, and country airplay all rolled into one big number for the MAIN country chart is simply absurd. Second, this new Hot Country Songs chart should NOT be the MAIN chart. If it were an equal to the airplay-only chart, I could probably live with that. But please, Billboard, don't tell me that this new Hot Country Songs chart is the best way to measure the biggest country hits because I don't see how that's even possible when such a chart completely compromises the identity of the genre.
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Post by joey2002 on Aug 1, 2013 16:24:10 GMT -5
this new Hot Country Songs chart should NOT be the MAIN chart. That's the biggest problem to me... if they want to do this, go right ahead, just don't make it the main country chart. It's good for comic therapy as a secondary chart, but that's about it.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 5, 2013 21:38:16 GMT -5
There is a great article on why the new record set by "Cruise" is rather meaningless. I could not agree more with this article, and it's nice that they took the time to do all their research. Had this chart methodology been in place several years ago already, "Before He Cheats" would've been a 40-week #1 hit and "Need You Now" would've been a 33-week #1. But leave it to Scott Borchetta and the Republic Nashville team to brag about the record in BOTH the BCU and CAW issues tonight... I just don't see why the current Hot Country Songs chart needs to be a continuation of all the data we had from the 40's through October 2012, considering that the way this new chart is compiled is NOTHING like we've seen before for a country genre chart.
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Post by zaclord 🌈 on Aug 5, 2013 21:58:58 GMT -5
It sure would be interesting to see if the chart would be getting as much hate as it is today if it were implemented back when "Before He Cheats" was around. I personally still wouldn't be a fan of the new chart (because I've been an avid radio chart watcher for 11 years now), but I do admit that having "Before He Cheats" crowned as the biggest country hit of all-time would definitely lessen the sting of this new chart methodology. I feel like part of why everyone dislikes the new chart methodology (definitely not 100% of the reason though) is that songs that aren't well liked on here ("We Are Never..." and "Cruise") are the ones dominating the chart and breaking records.
I still understand that people will dislike the chart regardless of what songs hit #1 on it (myself included), but I don't think it wouldn't be as hated if a song like "Before He Cheats" was crowned the title that "Cruise" was just given as the biggest country hit of all-time.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 5, 2013 22:11:15 GMT -5
I obviously prefer BHC and NYN to "Cruise", but I can't like this chart if it's going to be a continuation of the previous methodology on Hot Country Songs. It is just absurd. It rewards cross-over songs way too much. Even if you factor out the non-country airplay, the sales totals will always skew higher for songs that appeal to multiple genres. On genre charts, I prefer to keep my sales and airplay on separate charts.
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Post by Marv on Aug 6, 2013 0:39:27 GMT -5
Zazie is spot on as usual, in Billboard's year-end issue of 1989, there was a fascinating article with explicit details of Billboard's methodology in computing their charts, and the most revealing item for me was that at your typical country station back then, a single would be #1 on the survey at a given radio station one week, and fall off the survey the following week!!!!!
For the corresponding week on the Billboard chart a single-week #1 single from that year such as 'Deeper Than The Holler', or 'Timber, I'm Falling In Love' would be #1 on their top 50 Singles chart, fall all the way into the mid-teens the following week, and be off the chart altogether the next week. Who the heck needed a recurrent rule back then, anyway???
In yet another aspect of their chart which still defies explanation to this date, three songs each spent two weeks at #1 in 1989; 'I'm No Stranger To The Rain' and 'The House On Cumberland Road' were back-to-back two week charttoppers that April, and Ronnie Milsap closed out 1989 with two weeks atop the charts with the equally wonderful 'A Woman In Love'.
In spite of all that, Clint Black somehow wound up with Billboard's top two singles of the year with 'Killin' Time' and 'A Better Man', but neither managed more than a single week in the penthouse; that also propelled him to the #1 slot as the year's top new singles artist, followed by Garth Brooks and Lorrie Morgan.
I also agree with the prevailing opinion that Billboard's assertion that 'Cruise' is 'the biggest country single of all-time' in this week's issue in which they commemorated the 55-year anniversary of the Hot 100 is beyond idiotic, which clearly shows how ridiculously slanted their mongrel chart AND the Hot 100 are in horrendously overemphasizing digital sales over airplay.
While having 'Before he Cheats' receiving all of these 'accolades' as opposed to 'Cruise' would certainly constitute a reason to celebrate since FGL is a really juvenile act with lightweight-and-then-some lyrics permeating their singles, the fact remains that this assertion is asinine and makes no sense whatsoever.
Their acknowledgment of such current irrelevant pop stars as Katy Perry and Rihanna as being among the top 50 pop artists of all time in this commemoration issue gives many of us even less of a reason to take Billboard seriously anymore, including those of us who gave up many years ago.
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Post by dajross6 on Aug 6, 2013 9:48:56 GMT -5
It sure would be interesting to see if the chart would be getting as much hate as it is today if it were implemented back when "Before He Cheats" was around. I personally still wouldn't be a fan of the new chart (because I've been an avid radio chart watcher for 11 years now), but I do admit that having "Before He Cheats" crowned as the biggest country hit of all-time would definitely lessen the sting of this new chart methodology. I feel like part of why everyone dislikes the new chart methodology (definitely not 100% of the reason though) is that songs that aren't well liked on here ("We Are Never..." and "Cruise") are the ones dominating the chart and breaking records. I still understand that people will dislike the chart regardless of what songs hit #1 on it (myself included), but I don't think it wouldn't be as hated if a song like "Before He Cheats" was crowned the title that "Cruise" was just given as the biggest country hit of all-time. Nah, I would definitely still hate the chart for the exact same reasons. Just because the beneficiary is Carrie or Taylor or Garth or George wouldn't change my opinion or many others on why the chart is bad. 40 weeks? My gosh this board would be dead.
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Post by countrybamafan on Aug 6, 2013 11:37:51 GMT -5
Nah, I would definitely still hate the chart for the exact same reasons. Just because the beneficiary is Carrie or Taylor or Garth or George wouldn't change my opinion or many others on why the chart is bad. 40 weeks? My gosh this board would be dead. I agree with you. Personally, I am happy that Carrie does not have this "honor" bestowed on her. Although Carrie has her fans, she certainly has her critics as well, and people who aren't big fans of Carrie would be furious about this. Regardless of whether it is the greatest song in the world or the worst, this new method simply does not work. I think I have said this before, but I would be fine with this new chart, even it being the main chart, if three things happened: 1. Eliminate airplay from other genres besides country. I don't know what moron came up with this rule, but how in the world does it make sense for pop, AC, rap, etc. airplay to count on the COUNTRY chart? This one just amazes me. 2. Eliminate streaming (since it can be heavily skewed in multiple ways) and put a caveat on digital downloads. First, determine the total audience impressions for a particular song. Then, determine what percentage of this comes from country radio airplay. For instance, Song A has 100 million audience impressions. 40 million comes from country radio airplay. Therefore, 40% of Song A's total radio airplay comes from country radio. Multiply this percentage by the total digital downloads. For instance, Song A has 100,000 digital downloads for the week. We have already calculated that 40% of Song's A radio airplay comes from country radio, so 40% x 100,000 = 40,000 digital downloads. This is the number that counts on the Hot Country Songs chart. 3. Remix digital downloads should not count (This ties into #2). Therefore, only country airplay and digital downloads (with the caveat I mentioned) count on the Hot Country Songs chart. Airplay and downloads can count 50-50 on the new chart, if Billboard pleases. This would also resolve the issue as to which songs should be classified as country or not. Songs would have to receive country radio airplay in order to chart on the country chart; however, country songs that are not receiving as much country radio airplay but are very popular on the download front would also benefit. In addition, big country hits that are deserving of multiple weeks at #1 would benefit. I think this would be a more fair representation of the country charts as a whole, instead of the ridiculous Hot Country Songs chart and the increasingly political Country Airplay chart.
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Post by rsmatto on Aug 6, 2013 12:14:10 GMT -5
Zazie is spot on as usual, in Billboard's year-end issue of 1989, there was a fascinating article with explicit details of Billboard's methodology in computing their charts, and the most revealing item for me was that at your typical country station back then, a single would be #1 on the survey at a given radio station one week, and fall off the survey the following week!!!!! For the corresponding week on the Billboard chart a single-week #1 single from that year such as 'Deeper Than The Holler', or 'Timber, I'm Falling In Love' would be #1 on their top 50 Singles chart, fall all the way into the mid-teens the following week, and be off the chart altogether the next week. Who the heck needed a recurrent rule back then, anyway???In yet another aspect of their chart which still defies explanation to this date, three songs each spent two weeks at #1 in 1989; 'I'm No Stranger To The Rain' and 'The House On Cumberland Road' were back-to-back two week charttoppers that April, and Ronnie Milsap closed out 1989 with two weeks atop the charts with the equally wonderful 'A Woman In Love'. In spite of all that, Clint Black somehow wound up with Billboard's top two singles of the year with 'Killin' Time' and 'A Better Man', but neither managed more than a single week in the penthouse; that also propelled him to the #1 slot as the year's top new singles artist, followed by Garth Brooks and Lorrie Morgan. I also agree with the prevailing opinion that Billboard's assertion that 'Cruise' is 'the biggest country single of all-time' in this week's issue in which they commemorated the 55-year anniversary of the Hot 100 is beyond idiotic, which clearly shows how ridiculously slanted their mongrel chart AND the Hot 100 are in horrendously overemphasizing digital sales over airplay. While having 'Before he Cheats' receiving all of these 'accolades' as opposed to 'Cruise' would certainly constitute a reason to celebrate since FGL is a really juvenile act with lightweight-and-then-some lyrics permeating their singles, the fact remains that this assertion is asinine and makes no sense whatsoever. Their acknowledgment of such current irrelevant pop stars as Katy Perry and Rihanna as being among the top 50 pop artists of all time in this commemoration issue gives many of us even less of a reason to take Billboard seriously anymore, including those of us who gave up many years ago. The old days of Billboard Charts and other radio charts were heavily 'goosed' by promoters/radio stations. Thats one of the reasons for the airplay monitoring system which hit in the 90s. Billboard's a 'trade magazine' and really not a consumer magazine (Though sometimes they try to act as if they are, not unlike Variety or The Hollywood Reporter). It's Not as if they're Entertainment Weekly chosing the Top 100 of all types of media/entertainment. They based it on their numbers (however "flawed" they may be to some). Their main job is to be in service of the radio industry, not the consumers who listen to radio. --- To Others, What's wrong with these 'trade charts' being heavily influenced by realtime streaming and sales #s? How is that any different for charting songs (which is basically like TV's "Ratings" from Nielsen). These are all ways to measure something's popularity, not their authenticity to a specific genre or not.
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Post by Old Fart In NC on Aug 6, 2013 23:50:25 GMT -5
Zazie is spot on as usual, in Billboard's year-end issue of 1989, there was a fascinating article with explicit details of Billboard's methodology in computing their charts, and the most revealing item for me was that at your typical country station back then, a single would be #1 on the survey at a given radio station one week, and fall off the survey the following week!!!!! For the corresponding week on the Billboard chart a single-week #1 single from that year such as 'Deeper Than The Holler', or 'Timber, I'm Falling In Love' would be #1 on their top 50 Singles chart, fall all the way into the mid-teens the following week, and be off the chart altogether the next week. Who the heck needed a recurrent rule back then, anyway??? As an extreme example, the three biggest falls from #1 all took place within a period of just over two months in 1981. On the Aug. 1 chart Alabama's "Feels So Right" fell from #1 to #43. On Sept. 26 Mickey Gilley's "You Don't Know Me" outdid that by tumbling all the way to #47. And just one week later, on Oct. 3 Conway Twitty's "Tight Fittin' Dreams" matched Alabama's #1 to #43 drop. Also, in both 1985 and 1986 there were 51 #1 songs. In both years the last #1 of the year automatically got credited with two weeks at the top due to the frozen chart policy that was in effect at that time. The only song during either year that spent two weeks at the top without the aid of the frozen chart was Ronnie Milsap's "Lost In The Fifties Tonight (In The Still Of The Night)" in Oct. 1985. And in the entire decade only four songs spent three weeks at #1 (Kenny Rogers' "Coward Of The County," Ronnie Milsap's "My Heart," and Johnny Lee's "Looking For Love," all in 1980, and Randy Travis' "Forever And Ever, Amen" in 1987). Not one song during the entire decade managed four or more weeks at the top.
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Post by rbundy1987 on Aug 7, 2013 0:27:54 GMT -5
[quote source="/post/4441480/thread" On the Aug. 1 chart Alabama's "Feels So Right" fell from #1 to #43. On Sept. 26 Mickey Gilley's "You Don't Know Me" outdid that by tumbling all the way to #47. And just one week later, on Oct. 3 Conway Twitty's "Tight Fittin' Dreams" matched Alabama's #1 to #43 drop. "Tight Fittin' Jeans"
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Post by dajross6 on Aug 7, 2013 9:40:00 GMT -5
I've actually heard the Nelly remix on The Highway the last few days, and once on a local country station. I wonder if the label is trying to push that version around to try and drum up additional sales/chatter about the single or if this is just a coincidence. Does anyone have access to old Hot 100 charts that can see how long Amazed would have been #1? I know its pop run was separate from its Country run, although it would never approach the 40 weeks Carrie would have had.
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Post by onebuffalo on Aug 7, 2013 18:00:34 GMT -5
For all of you who hate Cruise, it has left the top ten on the Hot 100 chart. Would not surprise me to see it at #1 on the mongrel chart tomorrow.
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Post by dajross6 on Aug 7, 2013 19:45:53 GMT -5
I think Cruise will still be at number one tomorrow, although the gap is definitely closing. At this point I don't see how Randy Houser knocks them off, but Hunter Hayes definitely has them in his sights. I imagine we'll see Cruise around #16, Houser maybe #19, Hayes #25. Those are just guesses but shows about how close the songs are. Cruise still leads in overall AI, and sales is close. The problem with singles sales is that none of the songs are selling 100k+ a week so the difference is fairly negligible if FGL has a lead in AI (which it does). How many weeks are left? I'm guessing week #24 will be the last if this is #23.
Edit: Looks like Cruise does indeed spend a 23rd week at top, and Hayes stays ahead of Houser based on streaming/Vevo plays. I thought Houser would have enough for #2 this week, but it looks like he's destined to not hit the top with one of the biggest airplay songs of the year :(
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Post by Old Fart In NC on Aug 8, 2013 16:24:35 GMT -5
[quote source="/post/4441480/thread" On the Aug. 1 chart Alabama's "Feels So Right" fell from #1 to #43. On Sept. 26 Mickey Gilley's "You Don't Know Me" outdid that by tumbling all the way to #47. And just one week later, on Oct. 3 Conway Twitty's "Tight Fittin' Dreams" matched Alabama's #1 to #43 drop. "Tight Fittin' Jeans" D'oh; I can't believe I did that. I know better. "And partner, there's a tiger in these tight fittin' dreams jeans." :)
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Post by kml567 on Aug 8, 2013 17:47:55 GMT -5
I think Cruise will still be at number one tomorrow, although the gap is definitely closing. At this point I don't see how Randy Houser knocks them off, but Hunter Hayes definitely has them in his sights. I imagine we'll see Cruise around #16, Houser maybe #19, Hayes #25. Those are just guesses but shows about how close the songs are. Cruise still leads in overall AI, and sales is close. The problem with singles sales is that none of the songs are selling 100k+ a week so the difference is fairly negligible if FGL has a lead in AI (which it does). How many weeks are left? I'm guessing week #24 will be the last if this is #23. Edit: Looks like Cruise does indeed spend a 23rd week at top, and Hayes stays ahead of Houser based on streaming/Vevo plays. I thought Houser would have enough for #2 this week, but it looks like he's destined to not hit the top with one of the biggest airplay songs of the year :( I disagree. "Cruise" looks likely to be #1 for 28-30 weeks. The problem is the lack of competition. All the country songs with high airplay right now are selling poorly (in the 30k-55k range). It'd take about 6-8 weeks for sales of "Cruise" to fall to the 50k range, so that's why I think it'll be #1 for at least 6 more weeks. Sales 1. Cruise - 108k 2. Crash My Party - 62k The sales gap is gigantic between Cruise and the #2 song (Crash My Party....which is already recurrent on country radio.) The problem is that all of the songs that will hit #1 on Country Airplay soon are selling poorly (Carrie, Keith, Brett, etc) Airplay 1. Cruise - 68 million AI (Pop+HotAC+AC+Country airplay total on Mediabase) 2. Runnin' Outta Moonlight - 66 million AI (Country airplay on Mediabase) Interesting that the airplay gap is very small, so there is hope. If only there's another country song that can sell 100k. Streaming 1. Cruise - #18 on all-genre chart 2. I Want Crazy - not on all-genre chart (it's around #38 on Spotify) Cruise still has a gigantic lead in Streaming and Sales. I'm sticking with my prediction that it'd take another 6 weeks or so until it's knocked out of #1 on the mongrel chart.
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Post by josephmorgan on Aug 10, 2013 13:48:47 GMT -5
It looks like another record may fall thanks to this song: most weeks on the Hot Country Songs chart. Hunter Hayes' "Wanted" and "Love Like Crazy" by Lee Brice spent 56 weeks on the chart. "Cruise" is at 54 weeks and counting, tying the Eddy Arnold song "Bouquet Of Roses" from 1948.
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dajross6
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Post by dajross6 on Aug 11, 2013 10:44:06 GMT -5
That is a certainty now since the recurrent rule is #50 on the hot 100.
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Post by Zazie on Aug 11, 2013 20:54:03 GMT -5
That is a certainty now since the recurrent rule is #50 on the hot 100. I think josephmorgan might have been referring to the Hot Country Songs chart, where Cruise just finished week #54. There the recurrent rule kicks in below #25, and I'm sure that's a record that Cruise will extend by quite a bit. I think it has a great shot at 75 weeks.
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dajross6
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Post by dajross6 on Aug 12, 2013 7:09:30 GMT -5
Is the Country Songs chart recurrent rule different than the Hot 100? I thought that the master chart recurrent rule superceded the others once the charts got mixed up. I know the Hot 100 recurrent rule is at #50 which is why I figured it would chart until it went recurrent on the Hot 100. If it needs to drop below #25 on the Country Songs chart, then it will definitely be awhile.
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Post by onebuffalo on Aug 22, 2013 10:36:57 GMT -5
I suppose Billboard will say Cruise has matched Love Like Crazy as the longest charting single in country music. Cruise is now spending its 56th week on the mongrel chart.
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