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Post by KeepDeanWeird on May 25, 2013 18:00:39 GMT -5
I really love "Cruise," which is why I hate to see such a disrespectful video. It kind of makes me lose respect for FGL and now I won't be able to listen to what used to be one of my favorite songs of 2012 without being reminded of what these guys are really like... You must've missed all the rap videos of the late-90s - mid-2000s. Anyway, why is Billboard still classifying this as "Country"? I'm assuming more than 50% of points (sales, radio and streaming) are coming from the remix. If IKYWT was disqualified, shouldn't this be removed? It's further proof that the Songs chart concept - both Country and R&B - is not working.
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Post by matty005 on May 25, 2013 18:30:11 GMT -5
I really love "Cruise," which is why I hate to see such a disrespectful video. It kind of makes me lose respect for FGL and now I won't be able to listen to what used to be one of my favorite songs of 2012 without being reminded of what these guys are really like... You must've missed all the rap videos of the late-90s - mid-2000s. Anyway, why is Billboard still classifying this as "Country"? I'm assuming more than 50% of points (sales, radio and streaming) are coming from the remix. If IKYWT was disqualified, shouldn't this be removed? It's further proof that the Songs chart concept - both Country and R&B - is not working. I don't see anything disrespectful about either video. It's pretty girls. That's pretty much it. I don't see anyone being disrespected.
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Post by KeepDeanWeird on May 26, 2013 18:53:39 GMT -5
You must've missed all the rap videos of the late-90s - mid-2000s. Anyway, why is Billboard still classifying this as "Country"? I'm assuming more than 50% of points (sales, radio and streaming) are coming from the remix. If IKYWT was disqualified, shouldn't this be removed? It's further proof that the Songs chart concept - both Country and R&B - is not working. I don't see anything disrespectful about either video. It's pretty girls. That's pretty much it. I don't see anyone being disrespected. Agreed. I didn't see the big deal.
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Post by Arabella21 on May 27, 2013 8:50:57 GMT -5
I don't see anything disrespectful about either video. It's pretty girls. That's pretty much it. I don't see anyone being disrespected. Agreed. I didn't see the big deal. If the Cruise video is so degrading I want to know what you would call the one for Tip Drill. I've seen country videos with scantily clad hot girls before Cruise it's not like Florida Georgia Line are breaking new ground for the genre. I think with IKYWT, there was never any country version of it so Billboard decided it wouldn't chart on HCS. Cruise was a country song first and it's like Billboard's stance seems to be that a country song can't be "de-countrified" even though we all know perfectly well that it can.
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Post by onebuffalo on May 29, 2013 10:06:40 GMT -5
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Florida Georgia Line's "Cruise" reaches the Hot 100's top five (6-5) in its 34th week, setting a record for the slowest climb to the region in the chart's nearly 55-year history. It eclipses the 30-week ascent to the top five of Lonestar's eventual No. 1 "Amazed" in 1999-2000. "Cruise" rises 4-2 on Digital Songs (197,000, up 4%), sails into the top 10 (11-9) on Radio Songs (55 million, up 7%) and pushes 17-16 on Streaming Songs (3 million, down less than 1%). It tops Hot Country Songs for a 13th week. Like "Amazed," "Cruise" has charted its steady Hot 100 course by starting at country and crossing over. "Cruise" crowned Country Airplay for three weeks in December. Reworked with vocals by Nelly, it's since made waves at pop radio, ascending 12-10 on Pop Songs and 20-16 on Adult Pop Songs this week.
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Post by rsmatto on May 29, 2013 14:48:06 GMT -5
From Billboard: Florida Georgia Line's "Cruise" reaches the Hot 100's top five (6-5) in its 34th week, setting a record for the slowest climb to the region in the chart's nearly 55-year history. It eclipses the 30-week ascent to the top five of Lonestar's eventual No. 1 "Amazed" in 1999-2000. "Cruise" rises 4-2 on Digital Songs (197,000, up 4%), sails into the top 10 (11-9) on Radio Songs (55 million, up 7%) and pushes 17-16 on Streaming Songs (3 million, down less than 1%). It tops Hot Country Songs for a 13th week. Like "Amazed," "Cruise" has charted its steady Hot 100 course by starting at country and crossing over. "Cruise" crowned Country Airplay for three weeks in December. Reworked with vocals by Nelly, it's since made waves at pop radio, ascending 12-10 on Pop Songs and 20-16 on Adult Pop Songs this week. The pop stations aren't all playing the Nelly Remix though, many, including Sirius XM are playing the original version.
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Post by dajross6 on May 30, 2013 12:03:29 GMT -5
Well I've heard a remixed version with non-Nelly vocals as well on pop stations. It's pretty crazy that all versions count the same on the COUNTRY CHART of all places, but hey perhaps we can say Nelly has the #1 country song of all time in two months :)
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Post by ksmit on May 31, 2013 1:33:33 GMT -5
Debuts at #40 on Adult Pop Songs. Great with Nelly....
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Post by thebops on May 31, 2013 14:20:12 GMT -5
Well I've heard a remixed version with non-Nelly vocals as well on pop stations. It's pretty crazy that all versions count the same on the COUNTRY CHART of all places, but hey perhaps we can say Nelly has the #1 country song of all time in two months :) But to the point I made a few weeks back... Nelly is not getting credit on the Country songs chart, even though the majority of the chart points are from the Nelly remix version. The logic seems to be: "take the chart points from all radio, sales, and streaming from all different versions of a song and from all sources, add them up, and therefore Cruise is the #1 Country song in the nation, but oh wait, it doesn't make sense that Nelly is a country artist so let's just ignore that fact on the Country songs chart but use it on the Hot 100". I'm not saying that I want to see Nelly share a #1 Country song but I am saying that Billboard's genre charts are so messed up right now that they need to make special exceptions apparently at their own descretion on a case by case basis in order to preserve what little integrity they have left.
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Post by onebuffalo on Jun 5, 2013 14:44:01 GMT -5
From Billboard:
P!nk's previously noted former three-week No. 1 "Reason" descends 2-4 on the Hot 100, while Florida Georgia Line's "Cruise," featuring Nelly, stays at its No. 5 peak in its 35th week. "Cruise" docks at No. 10 on Radio Songs (down from No. 9, although with an 11% gain to 62 million). It backtracks 2-3 on Digital Songs (196,000, down 1%) and climbs 16-14 on Streaming Songs (although with a 7% loss to 2.8 million). The track tops Hot Country Songs for a 14th week.
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Post by dajross6 on Jun 5, 2013 15:06:54 GMT -5
WOOO HOOO!!
I honestly hopes it spends the rest of 2013 at number one.
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Post by onebuffalo on Jun 13, 2013 10:31:26 GMT -5
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Florida Georgia Line's "Cruise," featuring Nelly, stays at its No. 5 peak in its 36th week on the Hot 100 with across-the-board gains. It returns to its No. 2 peak on Digital Songs (225,000, up 15%) and sails 10-9 on Radio Songs (67 million, up 9%) and 13-9 on Streaming Songs (3.2 million, up 14%). The cut tops Hot Country Songs for a 15th frame, while passing 4 million in digital sales since its release.
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Post by dajross6 on Jun 13, 2013 11:13:33 GMT -5
Although it's hard to tell what the gap is between songs on the Hot 100, I think the difference between Cruise and Blake Shelton is a huge one that can't be made up. Wagon Wheel already had its chance, HDC has peaked, and I doubt Luke Bryan can garner enough sales to even approach Cruise's sales for a single week let alone the 40 million AI difference it would need. There is no stopping this song for probably another 4-5 weeks minimum, and although I would never normally suggest a country song spending 25 weeks @ #1 on any chart, it could happen. Maybe Taylor's new single pushed to both pop and country would have a chance down the road, but Cruise is becoming one of pop's biggest summer songs.
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Post by churchchoir on Jun 13, 2013 14:13:21 GMT -5
This will never end. By the time "Cruise" is no longer #1 on that chart, "Red" will be ready for its enormous stay at the top. This new Hot Country Songs chart is absolutely a joke, and it sort of angers me to read the BCU articles that talk about this chart as if it is the new country chart that everyone takes seriously.
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Post by jebsib on Jun 13, 2013 17:41:38 GMT -5
Do we know for a fact that nobody takes the new chart seriously? I would imagine the labels are critically interested in what aggregate reach their songs hold outside of country radio airplay.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 13, 2013 21:25:01 GMT -5
Do we know for a fact that nobody takes the new chart seriously? I would imagine the labels are critically interested in what aggregate reach their songs hold outside of country radio airplay. Well sure, the labels will tout their sales accomplishments...that's why they get things Gold and Platinum certified. But in all the Billboard and Country Aircheck updates, none of the ads have even mentioned this chart. Not even any from Big Machine/Republic--they haven't bragged about FGL's accomplishment at all. I think the labels accept that this chart exists, and I don't think they detest it like many of us chart-watchers here do, but I don't think they pay any particular interest to it. After all, if they wanted to see the aggregate that their songs reach outside of country radio, I say for the 500th time...the Hot 100. Billboard's new genre charts reflect nothing but the Hot 100...the country chart just takes all non-country songs out (whatever that means these days), the Rock chart takes all non-rock songs out, etc. The airplay charts are based strictly on the relationships that artists and labels have with radio. The relationships within the country industry have always been quite familial. As for "Cruise", yes, it will stay at #1 on the country chart due to immense pop airplay and sales with Nelly. But we can't just assume that Taylor will be the one to knock "Cruise" from the top. Everybody said that Taylor would hit #1 all the time back when "We Are Never Ever Getting Back Together" was topping the mongrel chart. Now, she does typically sell better but she doesn't always get the best airplay at country radio, either. The key to success is cross-over airplay, and the fact that cross-over airplay is key is what diminishes this chart to nothing, in my eyes. Darius did sneak in a couple weeks at #1 in between FGL's reign. "Cruise" was #1 for 3 weeks back in December, I believe (or maybe it was January), and then didn't return until a few months ago. WW did get 2 weeks on top before it was at the top of the radio charts, and before the Nelly remix and the cross-over airplay for "Cruise" really began kicking in. "Boys 'Round Here", "Highway Don't Care", "Crash My Party"...none of them will top the mongrel chart, simply because they all were in the shadow of one massive cross-over hit. In the coming months/years, you could have several songs that were much lesser hits than BRH, HDC, CMP, etc. and get to #1 on the mongrel chart if they aren't so unfortunate to be blocked by a mammoth cross-over hit. Another thing about this new chart, while we're on the topic..."Cruise" is #1 for 15 weeks now. Since Billboard lines up the Hot Country Songs chart history with the airplay-only history (which doesn't make sense, because they also line up the new 'country airplay' chart history with the old chart as well), "Cruise" is the longest-running #1 in several decades. But, who's to say that "Need You Now" wouldn't have been just as big, if not bigger. That one crossed over to Pop AND AC, and went 6x Platinum, not to mention the 5 weeks at #1 on country radio and immense recurrent airplay. I guess you could go back and count how many weeks NYN was the top country song on the Hot 100, and use that to guess how many weeks it would've gotten with this new methodology Hot Country Songs chart, but the fact is, Billboard only recognizes it as a 5-week #1 and that won't change. Changing the charts all the time makes it impossible to compare one era to another, and yet Billboard tries to do so anyway. Better end my rant here now.
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Post by 43dudleyvillas on Jun 13, 2013 23:14:43 GMT -5
Nicely put, jhomes87. "Before He Cheats" is another example of a song that would likely have topped the Hot Country Songs chart for quite a long time with this flawed methodology. I agree with jhomes87 that there is no indication at the moment that the labels care about Hot Country Songs peaks (unless they are Big Machine trying to mount an awards campaign for Taylor Swift), but the release of the musically pointless "celebrity remix" of "Boys 'Round Here" is giving me pause. Perhaps it is just a straight-up cash grab, but I find myself wondering if Warner Brothers Nashville sent it out this week in the hopes of spurring enough sales to try to grab the Hot Country Songs #1 in the week that "Boys 'Round Here" will also ascend to the Billboard Country Airplay #1 (and Mediabase #1). I agree with dajross6 that Florida-Georgia Line's lead seems insurmountable, though -- the audience from "Cruise"'s CHR top-40 airplay is currently slightly lower than what "Boys Round Here" will accumulate from Country airplay, but "Cruise" also has recurrent Country airplay and over 9 million in audience from the Adult Top 40 format, and its combined sales this week still look too big for "Boys 'Round Here" to catch. In any event, the labels already had access to sales and streaming data before Billboard folded those into its Hot Country Songs chart, so labels were perfectly capable of following the multimedia penetration of songs that interested them -- the only added value from the mongrel chart is a ranking, but not everyone agrees with the weights that Billboard assigns, and certainly the recurrent rules and inclusion of pop airplay reduce the value of those rankings. thebops, I agree with you that Nelly ought to be credited on the Hot Country Songs chart since the majority of the Hot Country Songs points for "Cruise" are coming from a remix that includes him.
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Post by luvcountryx10 on Jun 14, 2013 10:33:02 GMT -5
This will never end. By the time "Cruise" is no longer #1 on that chart, "Red" will be ready for its enormous stay at the top. This new Hot Country Songs chart is absolutely a joke, and it sort of angers me to read the BCU articles that talk about this chart as if it is the new country chart that everyone takes seriously. I agree. They changed it to include pop spins just to promote these pop singers and crossovers so they can claim they are #1 on Billboard country even if they don't hit #1 or top 10 on country radio.
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Post by Minor Scratch on Jun 14, 2013 14:04:13 GMT -5
Are any Country stations playing the remix as a recurrent??
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Post by onebuffalo on Jun 26, 2013 14:50:44 GMT -5
You know where:
Florida Georgia Line's fellow steady climber "Cruise," featuring Nelly, also reaches a new highpoint (6-4) in its 38th frame on the Hot 100. ("Radioactive" has crossed from rock to pop and adult radio formats, while "Cruise" has navigated from country to pop and adult.) The song, at No. 1 on Hot Country Songs for a 17th week, returns to its peak to date on Digital Songs (3-2; 244,000, up 19%), holds at No. 10 on Streaming Songs (3.1 million, up 8%) and, despite a 9-10 setback, improves by 6% to 75 million on Radio Songs.
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Post by josephmorgan on Jun 26, 2013 17:21:11 GMT -5
That means "Cruise" is now tied with Elvis' "Heartbreak Hotel", among others. If it spends next week on top as well, it will be in eighth place for all time.
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Post by dajross6 on Jun 26, 2013 22:00:47 GMT -5
That means "Cruise" is now tied with Elvis' "Heartbreak Hotel", among others. If it spends next week on top as well, it will be in eighth place for all time. 21 weeks is in sight now; there's probably no stopping the record from falling. There is still room to grow on pop radio and it's still selling quite well. It will actually be interesting where the single ends up on the best selling digital singles of all-time list (which is a few years old, but still) because it's sold a ton and still selling 200k+ a week. On a side note, you're from Wisconsin Rapids? Pretty cool...I grew up in Minocqua and went to school in Wausau/Stevens Point.
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Post by kml567 on Jun 28, 2013 17:37:32 GMT -5
"Cruise" will easily be the best selling "country" song of all time. It has sold 4.5 million, and it's still selling 200k per week. It'll pass "Love Story" in about 1 month (5.5 million), and pass "Need You Now" (6.1 million) in only about 2 months.
In fact, "Cruise" will likely be top 10 best selling single in Billboard history! It looks likely to sell over 7 million by end of the year, which will put this the top 10 best selling digital single of ALL TIME among ALL GENRES. :o
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Post by onebuffalo on Jul 1, 2013 14:21:52 GMT -5
Debuts at #23 on the adult contemporary chart. Nelly is credited.
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Post by onebuffalo on Jul 3, 2013 12:38:26 GMT -5
Florida Georgia Line's "Cruise," featuring Nelly, regresses to No. 6 from its No. 4 Hot 100 peak, although it reaches a new highpoint (10-8) on Radio Songs (76 million, up 1%). It crowns Hot Country Songs for a whopping 18th week.
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Post by Ten Pound Hammer on Jul 3, 2013 13:52:13 GMT -5
Have I mentioned that I think the remix with Nelly sounds like absolute garbage?
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Post by zaclord 🌈 on Jul 3, 2013 18:30:39 GMT -5
Well Taylor Swift likes this song. That's all that really matters, right?
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Post by .indulgecountry on Jul 3, 2013 18:36:22 GMT -5
Taylor Swift likes everything. I swear she does that at like all the awards shows, lol. But, I really enjoyed that. Her dancing was cute.
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Post by zaclord 🌈 on Jul 3, 2013 18:39:34 GMT -5
Taylor Swift likes everything. I swear she does that at like all the awards shows, lol. But, I really enjoyed that. Her dancing was cute. Cute wouldn't be the word I'd use to describe her dancing, but it was entertaining nevertheless
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