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Post by mrclimbfall20 on Apr 22, 2007 23:25:15 GMT -5
Is it just me, or does anyone else feel the need for the Hot AC chart to change its name? It just seems like more younger people are listening to Hot AC stations now and musically, the chart is changing. It's almost becoming a Pop/Alternative hybrid which seems to be changing the demographic. I dunno, maybe I'm weird and am in the minority in feeling that way.
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Post by Kid Pulse on Apr 23, 2007 17:43:16 GMT -5
I see what you mean by that, but it is still the adult-format. I think that if it does need to be changed, it should be split into two formats; on which will be a Rob Thomas-Goo Goo Dolls like chart and the other which will be a Gwen Stefani-All american Rejects thing.
But honestly, I like it the way it is.
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Post by Marv on Apr 23, 2007 19:02:34 GMT -5
Since your typical adults and baby-boomers who grew up listening to CHR/Pop or Top 40 radio started bailing out of the format in the late eighties, Hot AC has become one of their preferred formats.
It's what CHR/Pop USED to be and was originally designed to be; a MASS-APPEAL format, something which CHR/Pop stations haven't been in well over a decade.
Hot AC is also known as Adult Top 40, so I don't think changing the format's name would change anything.
The format plays a FAR wider range of music than your typical top 40 station does today, or what most of them USED to play back in the glory days of the format, prior to the early nineties.
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Post by mrclimbfall20 on Apr 23, 2007 19:46:32 GMT -5
Well then what's the difference between the Hot AC chart and the AC chart?
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Post by musicfanpete on Apr 23, 2007 22:02:14 GMT -5
Since your typical adults and baby-boomers who grew up listening to CHR/Pop or Top 40 radio started bailing out of the format in the late eighties, Hot AC has become one of their preferred formats. It's what CHR/Pop USED to be and was originally designed to be; a MASS-APPEAL format, something which CHR/Pop stations haven't been in well over a decade. Hot AC is also known as Adult Top 40, so I don't think changing the format's name would change anything. The format plays a FAR wider range of music than your typical top 40 station does today, or what most of them USED to play back in the glory days of the format, prior to the early nineties. That's why I really enjoy this format. It sounds like the Top 40 stations I grew up with during the 80's.
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Post by oscillations. on Apr 24, 2007 0:25:03 GMT -5
Yeah. Hot AC=the new Top 40 Pop.
CHR/Top 40 is basically rhythmic now (with exceptions). Rhythmic, which is supposed to be DANCE, now is poppier Urban. So, shades of urban color every panel now, except Hot AC & Alternative.
Ideally a pop station, or more specifically a CHR station, should look like Radio 1 on BBC. Very diverse & fair to most types of music. Rock, dance, R&B, straight-up pop and SOME rap reside contently, side by side. Radio 2 is rock & pop, no urban.
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Post by Marv on Apr 24, 2007 13:43:25 GMT -5
Ecept that such hasn't been the case since the early nineties, and that evntually led to the creation of the Hot AC charts and countdown shows a year or two later.
Hot AC and Adult CHR (or Adult Top 40) is a much better sounding format than CHR/Pop is today, since the latter has become narrower than it used to be, thanks to being handicapped with a VERY tiny on-air library as compared to all other music formats.
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Post by tico on Apr 24, 2007 14:36:10 GMT -5
Well then what's the difference between the Hot AC chart and the AC chart? The AC chart features music of a lighter fare, a la "soft rock". AC formats target an older demo as well, mainly women 35-54 and is huge on playing familiar songs. That's why you hear a lot of older songs on the format; thus, songs move much more slowly on the chart.
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Post by tico on Apr 24, 2007 15:52:20 GMT -5
I see what you mean by that, but it is still the adult-format. I think that if it does need to be changed, it should be split into two formats; on which will be a Rob Thomas-Goo Goo Dolls like chart and the other which will be a Gwen Stefani-All american Rejects thing. But how would you differentiate the two? I can't really tell a difference in a Rob Thomas/Goo Goo Dolls-like chart and a Gwen/AAR-like chart.
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Post by Kid Pulse on Apr 24, 2007 17:09:40 GMT -5
I see what you mean by that, but it is still the adult-format. I think that if it does need to be changed, it should be split into two formats; on which will be a Rob Thomas-Goo Goo Dolls like chart and the other which will be a Gwen Stefani-All american Rejects thing. But how would you differentiate the two? I can't really tell a difference in a Rob Thomas/Goo Goo Dolls-like chart and a Gwen/AAR-like chart. I was just using them as examples. As we all know, some Hot AC stations stay true to Rob Thomas, Goo Goo Dolls, Sherrel Crow, etc; while other "poppier" Hot AC stations prefer to play "Hipper" bands than GGD and MB20 such as Fall.Out.Boy. and AAR (not that they don't get airplay on the other HAC stations, but still). What I'm saying is there's two types of Hot AC stations. If it weren't for the "true" ones, "Little Wonders" would not be in the top 5 right now. But if it weren't for the "poppier" ones, then neither would Gewn STefani or Nelly Furtado.' I'm saying, some stations should be removed from the Hot AC playlist data maybe, and switched to pop. But, like I said, the chart is fine the way it is.
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Post by shocker on Apr 25, 2007 1:43:33 GMT -5
I'm saying, some stations should be removed from the Hot AC playlist data maybe, and switched to pop. On the flip side, there are some AC stations that should be switched to Hot AC. WHBC in Dayton, Ohio, WMTX in Tampa, Florida, and KVLY in McAllen, Texas come to mind.
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Post by realnewlight on Apr 25, 2007 2:10:15 GMT -5
I think their should be MORE poppier and even urban leaning songs on Hot AC. I find it a bit rediculous that urban songs that become huge hits across the board to all audiences (or did in the past), are not played on Hot AC stations simply for the fact that they are urban leaning.
Urban/Hip-Hop music has had a strong presence, and everyone under the age of 35 grew up with it completely in the mainstreem, so i do not understand why it is not played AT ALL on "ADULT" stations. Now dont get me wrong, im not saying their should be a huge urban presence, but at least something.
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Post by Kid Pulse on Apr 25, 2007 8:14:04 GMT -5
If you want that music, listen to Urban/pop/rythmic, etc. There's no need for it here I'm saying, some stations should be removed from the Hot AC playlist data maybe, and switched to pop. On the flip side, there are some AC stations that should be switched to Hot AC. WHBC in Dayton, Ohio, WMTX in Tampa, Florida, and KVLY in McAllen, Texas come to mind. I agree with that also. They have leaned to Hot AC, while some Hot AC have leaned to pop.
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Post by realnewlight on Apr 25, 2007 11:09:33 GMT -5
^It is not a matter of what their is a need for, it is a matter of what Hot Ac is supposed to be. The fact that Pop and Rhythmic radio have leanded TOO heavily urban, does not make it right for Hot Ac radio to totally disregard urban music in a generation that grew up with it.
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Post by Slinky on Apr 25, 2007 11:47:59 GMT -5
You are seeing that pop/rhythmic shift slowly happen: Gwen/Akon, Gym Class Heroes, Beyonce, Nelly Furtado all top 30. Fergie's "Glamourous' and Akon's "Don't Matter" are not too far outside it.
It's inevitable that Hot AC is going to become more hip-hop friendly as people who grew up with that music move on from CHR.
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Post by Devil Marlena Nylund on Apr 25, 2007 12:02:57 GMT -5
I think their should be MORE poppier and even urban leaning songs on Hot AC. I find it a bit rediculous that urban songs that become huge hits across the board to all audiences (or did in the past), are not played on Hot AC stations simply for the fact that they are urban leaning. Urban/Hip-Hop music has had a strong presence, and everyone under the age of 35 grew up with it completely in the mainstreem, so i do not understand why it is not played AT ALL on "ADULT" stations. Now dont get me wrong, im not saying their should be a huge urban presence, but at least something.
In that case, there should be Hot AC or light rock sounding songs on Urban and Rhythmic stations too, especially when they're big hits like Nickelback and Hinder. Why not? If they're that big.
Some people want to get away from all the hip-hop and beat-based music without going to oldies stations or country music. That's where Hot AC comes in. Just like some people want to get away from any guitar-based or plain and simple rock and rock/pop music so they listen to Urban (and Rhythmic). Besides, Hot AC has let urban-based music on their chart in the recent past. Has Urban and Rhythmic returned the "favour"? I doubt it. Hot AC is slowly moving toward what CHR/Pop was 10 years ago. Remember a time when pop and light rock music ruled the charts and there was the occasional urban and hip-hop hit? So it seems that in the current climate we have all the stations moving toward the urban side of music:
What was Urban then is turning hip-hop? What was Rhythmic then, which consisted of a lot of pop and dance, is turning into what urban used to be. What was CHR/Pop then is turning into what Rhythmic used to be. Hot AC is turning into the old CHR/Pop. Is AC turning into what Hot AC was? And then what is turning into what AC used to be? Perhaps classic rock stations? I dunno.
Either way, I think it's dumb to listen to Hot AC and expect to hear hip-hop songs when every other format except rock and country stations already have them. I think the line should be drawn at whatever it is that separates Hot AC from CHR/Pop.
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Post by realnewlight on Apr 25, 2007 12:10:50 GMT -5
^Lol no. Urban radio is obviously geared towards Urban music, as it says in its name...Adult Top 40 should be just that ADULT TOP 40...nowhere does it say that it is light pop/rock geared towards adults, that is a defenition created based on what Adults listened to a generation ago...but things change. If you look at the average adults TOP 40 playlist these days, i can assure you most will have some urban songs on them.
Urban radio targets a genre audience, while Hot Ac targets an age group...so yea, very different.
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Post by Devil Marlena Nylund on Apr 25, 2007 12:19:30 GMT -5
I can see your point now. I just think if Hot AC became more urban/hip-hop leaning, it would essentially be a replica of what CHR/Pop is with the added Rob Thomas song.
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Post by musicfanpete on Apr 25, 2007 12:26:22 GMT -5
In that case, there should be Hot AC or light rock sounding songs on Urban and Rhythmic stations too, especially when they're big hits like Nickelback and Hinder. Why not? If they're that big. Either way, I think it's dumb to listen to Hot AC and expect to hear hip-hop songs when every other format except rock and country stations already have them. I think the line should be drawn at whatever it is that separates Hot AC from CHR/Pop. [/color][/quote] That's not the point. The point is that the Hot AC/Adult Top 40 format is a mass appeal format for a demographic that grew up on CHR/Pop ten to twenty years ago. The music played currently on Adult Top 40 radio should reflect that. There is no rule that says urban music can't be played on it. At the same time, no one said that every hip-hop song belongs on Adult Top 40 radio either. Obviously a line needs to be drawn, but a few rhythmic titles on the chart will not kill the format. I think the format you like more eyeMax is the Modern AC format, a format that is essentially a light alternative format, with maybe a rare urban song added to the playlist only if it is a massive hit on Hot AC, ala Nelly Furtado or Gwen Stefani. There are still some Modern AC's around, and perhaps this would be the time that these type of stations would take off, especially if most Hot AC's become more rtythmic based. If you really want to see what the format could look like in a few years, just take a look at the Canadian Hot AC charts. They contain a great variety of all genres of music, and are the true CHR station for adults in their 20's and 30's. I think that is where we are heading in this country with our Hot AC stations.
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Post by Devil Marlena Nylund on Apr 25, 2007 12:47:54 GMT -5
Yeah, I always thought of Hot AC as more of a format for light rock/pop as opposed to for an audience that listened to pop 10-20 years ago, which is what Hot AC does seem to look like now. I guess I'm just not good for change. ;)
I wish R&R had a Modern AC chart that you speak of, lol. I supposed Triple A is close to that but honestly, I don't think I could listen to a Triple A station for too long.
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Post by mrclimbfall20 on Apr 25, 2007 12:57:45 GMT -5
Well then what's the difference between the Hot AC chart and the AC chart? The AC chart features music of a lighter fare, a la "soft rock". AC formats target an older demo as well, mainly women 35-54 and is huge on playing familiar songs. That's why you hear a lot of older songs on the format; thus, songs move much more slowly on the chart. That's why it would be safe for Hot AC to switch its name since AC can pick up where Hot AC left off.
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Post by Rumors on Apr 25, 2007 16:47:55 GMT -5
My HotAC stations started leaning very pop a few months ago. It plays Akon. I'm about ready to write the PD and voice my displeasure. I do not like urban leaning pop. I'll start listening to me CDs instead of the radio if it gets much worse. I can't stand that Girlfriend song either and really wish it would stay off HotAC.
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Post by mst3k on Apr 25, 2007 17:55:31 GMT -5
In that case, there should be Hot AC or light rock sounding songs on Urban and Rhythmic stations too, especially when they're big hits like Nickelback and Hinder. Why not? If they're that big. Now you're making me nostalgic for the early days of Rhythmic (I'm talking 1989-90), when the biggest rock-leaning hits did make appearances at that format. Of course, that was back when "Rhythmic" was primarily dance-leaning pop, as opposed to a synonym for "R&B/Hip-Hop".
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Post by Kid Pulse on Apr 25, 2007 18:15:27 GMT -5
My HotAC stations started leaning very pop a few months ago. It plays Akon. I'm about ready to write the PD and voice my displeasure. I do not like urban leaning pop. I'll start listening to me CDs instead of the radio if it gets much worse. I can't stand that Girlfriend song either and really wish it would stay off HotAC. Nice job!! Which GF song do you mean? The Avril one? Or Gym Class Heroes?
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Post by Hot AC Archiver on Apr 25, 2007 18:39:22 GMT -5
I don't mind some songs that are more R&B rather than hip-hop lite. In the 80s I liked some of the R&B songs that crossed over and were played on AT40. I don't want the HAC chart to turn into today's CHR/Pop. However, I believe, as others have posted, it is the natural evolution of the format as the audiences age. Once HAC does that, I don't want to have to be banished to the wasteland known as the AC chart. I like more currents (and no Delilah! )
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Post by shocker on Apr 26, 2007 1:30:42 GMT -5
I think the format you like more eyeMax is the Modern AC format, a format that is essentially a light alternative format, with maybe a rare urban song added to the playlist only if it is a massive hit on Hot AC, ala Nelly Furtado or Gwen Stefani. There are still some Modern AC's around, and perhaps this would be the time that these type of stations would take off, especially if most Hot AC's become more rtythmic based. Modern AC is just a nickname for a Hot AC that is more modern-rock sounding - that's where the "modern" name is derived from. Mix 94.1 in Las Vegas is a good example of a Modern AC - they play a huge amount of current hits frequently throughout the day much like a top 40 outlet does, but very little in the way of urban or hip-hop. Lots of alternative-sounding songs are spun by artists like the Killers, Fallout Boy, and Blue October.
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Post by shocker on Apr 26, 2007 1:38:00 GMT -5
Yeah, I always thought of Hot AC as more of a format for light rock/pop as opposed to for an audience that listened to pop 10-20 years ago, which is what Hot AC does seem to look like now. I guess I'm just not good for change. ;)
I wish R&R had a Modern AC chart that you speak of, lol. I supposed Triple A is close to that but honestly, I don't think I could listen to a Triple A station for too long. Light rock & pop is now reserved primarily for regular AC. Only when a light song goes "pop" will Hot AC embrace it. An example is James Blunt's "You're Beautiful" last year. Normally, this would be an AC-only song, but since it was so widely popular, Hot AC had to pick it up as well. Triple-A is adult-oriented, but it's NOT Modern AC! You'll find a good share of songs on Triple-A that you hear on Hot AC, but there is a difference. Triple-A will still play Bob Dylan & Eric Clapton - old and new. I don't know of any Hot AC station that will spin Clapton or Dylan.
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Post by shocker on Apr 26, 2007 1:42:38 GMT -5
I like more currents (and no Delilah! ) Agreed 100%! I can't stand Delilah and that sappy love-dedication stuff for more than about 30 seconds - and that's including the commercial breaks!
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Post by musicfanpete on Apr 26, 2007 21:42:01 GMT -5
I like more currents (and no Delilah! ) Agreed 100%! I can't stand Delilah and that sappy love-dedication stuff for more than about 30 seconds - and that's including the commercial breaks! Another problem with Delilah is that she is heard on AC stations that are becoming progressively brighter. When 7 PM hits, it's almost like these stations flip formats! I think the inconsistency between the type of music that Delilah plays versus the music played during the rest of the dayparts will ultimately either spell the end of Delilah, or at least mark a wholesale change in the panel of stations that carry her show. Either 70's and 80's oldie type stations will be the only format that will embrace her in the future, or more likely, Delilah will have to adapt to changing times and widen her playlist to include more uptempo songs.
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Post by shocker on Apr 27, 2007 0:42:53 GMT -5
Agreed 100%! I can't stand Delilah and that sappy love-dedication stuff for more than about 30 seconds - and that's including the commercial breaks! Another problem with Delilah is that she is heard on AC stations that are becoming progressively brighter. When 7 PM hits, it's almost like these stations flip formats! I think the inconsistency between the type of music that Delilah plays versus the music played during the rest of the dayparts will ultimately either spell the end of Delilah, or at least mark a wholesale change in the panel of stations that carry her show. Either 70's and 80's oldie type stations will be the only format that will embrace her in the future, or more likely, Delilah will have to adapt to changing times and widen her playlist to include more uptempo songs. I know! Between the hours of 7 pm & midnight, the "brighter" stations that run Delilah's show might as well call themselves K-Snooze, or K-Yawn.
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