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Post by Adonis the DemiGod! on Oct 23, 2012 10:34:44 GMT -5
Taylor is a monster.
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Post by meuirmao on Oct 23, 2012 10:59:20 GMT -5
From Hits:
RED TIDE: Taylor Swift's Red now looks solidly north of 1 million in first-week sales, with a chance to possibly top Lady Gaga's 1.1 million-selling debut for Born This Way in May 2011. But that album, of course, included more than 400k in 99-cent sales from Amazon MP3. How about that, boys and girls?! (10/23a)
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Post by Peaches. [Ch, r. is] on Oct 23, 2012 11:02:09 GMT -5
Hope this bisch goes away[image]
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Post by Peaches. [Ch, r. is] on Oct 23, 2012 11:03:02 GMT -5
From Hits: RED TIDE: Taylor Swift's Red now looks solidly north of 1 million in first-week sales, with a chance to possibly top Lady Gaga's 1.1 million-selling debut for Born This Way in May 2011. But that album, of course, included more than 400k in 99-cent sales from Amazon MP3. How about that, boys and girls?! (10/23a) Why won't they just let Gaga live? :'(
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Post by Mark on Oct 23, 2012 11:03:52 GMT -5
What if she just keeps trending higher and sets her sights on Britney's record? :O
Not expecting it to happen, but I'm here for the meltdowns if it does.
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Post by chartfreak on Oct 23, 2012 11:16:30 GMT -5
Cuz Gaga sold for 99 cents, its going to haunt that album forever. Taylor will be frontloaded. Don't mind if she passes Gaga but she's not allowed to touch Britney. :)
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Post by Deleted on Oct 23, 2012 11:36:50 GMT -5
What million debuting album isn't frontloaded? Taylor will sell another million or two by year's end anyway.
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Post by upsidedown on Oct 23, 2012 11:49:31 GMT -5
What if she just keeps trending higher and sets her sights on Britney's record? :O Not expecting it to happen, but I'm here for the meltdowns if it does. I mean even if she did beat Britney's record, it wouldn't be fair. Taylor had a whole extra day of sales.
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Post by Peaches. [Ch, r. is] on Oct 23, 2012 11:51:24 GMT -5
What if she just keeps trending higher and sets her sights on Britney's record? :O Not expecting it to happen, but I'm here for the meltdowns if it does. I mean even if she did beat Britney's record, it wouldn't be fair. Taylor had a whole extra day of sales. Britney had the advantage of a better economy. And so on...
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Post by josh on Oct 23, 2012 11:51:36 GMT -5
I'm curious what Britney's promotion was like, was it minimal promotion, "normal" amount (for either then or now), or huge like Taylor's? Just curious what that was like.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 23, 2012 12:00:22 GMT -5
From wikipedia:
(The album was released on May 16, 2000.)
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Post by Deleted on Oct 23, 2012 12:10:23 GMT -5
Don't worry about Britney's "record". Topping 1.1 million is rarified air.
99 Cent Gaga and 50 Cent the rapper are the only ones to do this in 10 years
No one since 2002 has topped 1.2 million
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Post by neally on Oct 23, 2012 12:15:22 GMT -5
I mean even if she did beat Britney's record, it wouldn't be fair. Taylor had a whole extra day of sales. Britney had the advantage of a better economy. And so on... Exactly, album sales are down over 50% during the past decade thanks to the digital era, where folks can buy individual tracks and pirate music easily. Since Taylor is expected to open with > 1 million album sales for the week, that would translate to ~ 2 million in sales from over a decade ago. No matter how you spin or slice it, Taylor's sales are simply UNBELIEVABLE and IMO, will have significantly exceeded Britney's record with the above sales adjustment factor.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 23, 2012 12:19:17 GMT -5
Britney had the advantage of a better economy. And so on... Exactly, album sales are down over 50% during the past decade thanks to the digital era, where folks can buy individual tracks and pirate music easily. If Taylor opens with > 1 million album sales for the week, that would translate to ~ 2 million in sales from over a decade ago. No matter how you spin or slice it, Taylor's sales are simply UNBELIEVABLE and IMO, will have exceed Britney's record with the above sales adjustment factor. Not a big fan of made up "adjustment factors" Who knows if Taylor's music would have clicked enough a decade ago to sell any copies at all? There is more to consider than "selling 1 million today is like selling whatever 10 years ago" 1 million happens enough these days in "depressed climates" that you can't blame it on that. In any day and age, it takes a hot album from a hot artist to sell one million
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Post by meuirmao on Oct 23, 2012 12:19:46 GMT -5
They updated their predictions, great numbers for Kendrick too:
Meanwhile, Interscope's Kendrick Lamar is also having a big first week, with his album now looking like it will break 200k. (10/23a)
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Post by Deleted on Oct 23, 2012 12:30:14 GMT -5
Album sales are relatively a lot more hyped nowadays, then they burn out fast accounting for lower overall album sales. Lil Wayne, Gaga, Taylor all selling near one million copies... then they end up selling 3 million overall while OIDIA for example sold 10.
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Post by chartfreak on Oct 23, 2012 12:31:58 GMT -5
When I say front loaded I'm talking about just firs t week, not overall. Selling 200 to 300k in the first two days could mean anything, 1 million for sure, 1 million maybe, etc.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 23, 2012 12:34:34 GMT -5
So my point is Lil Wayne, Gaga, Taylor all sold 1 million in depressed climates so this discussion comes up nearly every year.
At some point, we can't keep saying that 1 million in a "depressed climate" is any bigger than 1 million in 2002
Whether it is a "depressed climate" or 2002, 1 million in a week is rare enough that you need to be a hot artist, with perfect timing and stellar hype.
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Post by Peaches. [Ch, r. is] on Oct 23, 2012 12:44:41 GMT -5
So my point is Lil Wayne, Gaga, Taylor all sold 1 million in depressed climates so this discussion comes up nearly every year. At some point, we can't keep saying that 1 million in a "depressed climate" is any bigger than 1 million in 2002 Whether it is a "depressed climate" or 2002, 1 million in a week is rare enough that you need to be a hot artist, with perfect timing and stellar hype. Sure. But 1.1 million in a "depressed climate" is a lot more impressive than 1.1 million at the peak of album sales.
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Post by GivesYouHell on Oct 23, 2012 12:48:16 GMT -5
Exactly, album sales are down over 50% during the past decade thanks to the digital era, where folks can buy individual tracks and pirate music easily. If Taylor opens with > 1 million album sales for the week, that would translate to ~ 2 million in sales from over a decade ago. No matter how you spin or slice it, Taylor's sales are simply UNBELIEVABLE and IMO, will have exceed Britney's record with the above sales adjustment factor. Not a big fan of made up "adjustment factors"Who knows if Taylor's music would have clicked enough a decade ago to sell any copies at all? There is more to consider than "selling 1 million today is like selling whatever 10 years ago" 1 million happens enough these days in "depressed climates" that you can't blame it on that. In any day and age, it takes a hot album from a hot artist to sell one million Me neither. Noone except NSYNC was ever able to sell over 2 Million first week in the US, so assuming Taylor would've sold over 2 Million doesn't seem right with me. It's easy to assume Taylor would have 'significantly exceeded Britney's record' but let's remember the important fact that in 13 years not one female artist, including some that were bigger than Taylor is now, managed to do it. That's like a Britney stan saying 'Circus' would've outsold 'Britney' or Shania Twain's highly anticipated 'Up!' first week had it been released back then. We don't know........... I agree that Taylor's selling power in the US is ridiculously amazing though and I wouldn't be surprised if she did break Britney's record. I wish it was her best album 'Speak Now' smashing this hard though. :'(
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Post by Deleted on Oct 23, 2012 12:50:22 GMT -5
So my point is Lil Wayne, Gaga, Taylor all sold 1 million in depressed climates so this discussion comes up nearly every year. At some point, we can't keep saying that 1 million in a "depressed climate" is any bigger than 1 million in 2002 Whether it is a "depressed climate" or 2002, 1 million in a week is rare enough that you need to be a hot artist, with perfect timing and stellar hype. Sure. But 1.1 million in a "depressed climate" is a lot more impressive than 1.1 million at the peak of album sales. Sitting here looking back, sure. However, if we were still sitting in 2002 we would see that 1 million was a pretty rare event even then. It seems to me that "depressed climates" won't have any impact on what the hottest abums of the year will sell. If it is the right album at the right time by the right artist people will show up in droves. A rare event in ANY climate. You see the bigger effect on "depressed climates" on what the lower albums are doing, not the top one
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Post by moore746 on Oct 23, 2012 12:54:46 GMT -5
Britney had the advantage of a better economy. And so on... Exactly, album sales are down over 50% during the past decade thanks to the digital era, where folks can buy individual tracks and pirate music easily. Since Taylor is expected to open with > 1 million album sales for the week, that would translate to ~ 2 million in sales from over a decade ago. No matter how you spin or slice it, Taylor's sales are simply UNBELIEVABLE and IMO, will have significantly exceeded Britney's record with the above sales adjustment factor. Not a fair comparison, because Oops!...I Did It Again sold for $14.99 (in the year 2000, no less). There's no saying how high it would have gone had it too sold for $9.99, like Taylor.
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Post by GivesYouHell on Oct 23, 2012 12:55:31 GMT -5
I've always wondered, why is it that Taylor always releases on Mondays but other artists don't? If it adds an extra day of sales why doesn't everyone just release on a Monday instead of a Tuesday?
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Post by moore746 on Oct 23, 2012 12:58:47 GMT -5
Food for thought for all the T-Swift stans: what if Britney, or *NSYNC for that matter, released their albums on a Monday for $9.99 vs. Tuesday for $14.99?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 23, 2012 12:59:27 GMT -5
I've always wondered, why is it that Taylor always releases on Mondays but other artists don't? If it adds an extra day of sales why doesn't everyone just release on a Monday instead of a Tuesday? In theory it adds a "full day" but not in reality. The bulk of the sales happen in the first couple days after release and then taper off. The high impact sales just get shifted back a day and then what you are adding is day 7 which is going to be a lot less than day 1.
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Post by chartfreak on Oct 23, 2012 12:59:50 GMT -5
I would love to know what her SDV were.
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Post by fridayteenage on Oct 23, 2012 13:37:37 GMT -5
No female even had 2 750k debuts until now.
And of the 3 artists with 2 platinum opening weeks, none of those albums were mostly (or, for Speak Now, exclusively) solo written. Taylor rules.
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Post by josh on Oct 23, 2012 13:42:54 GMT -5
Except she has 7 co-writes on this album...
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Post by Verisimilitude on Oct 23, 2012 13:43:31 GMT -5
No female even had 2 750k debuts until now. And of the 3 artists with 2 platinum opening weeks, none of those albums were mostly (or, for Speak Now, exclusively) solo written. Taylor rules.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 23, 2012 13:50:32 GMT -5
Queen Taylor has just released the 'album of our generation' and is the only Pennsylvania-born pop-country crossover artist in chart history to relase two albums to cross a million, while Obama was President, under a full moon, during a depressed sales climate. Not even the Beatles did that ;)
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