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Post by Deleted on Oct 23, 2012 15:14:40 GMT -5
I think they meant fastest for a female solo artist, not overall.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 23, 2012 15:15:32 GMT -5
I think they meant fastest for a female solo artist, not overall. Oh god, it's spreading.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 23, 2012 15:18:17 GMT -5
I think they meant fastest for a female solo artist, not overall. Oh god, it's spreading. Billboard reports every record, no matter how arbitrary, though.
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Post by musik... on Oct 23, 2012 15:19:18 GMT -5
Let me try to assess this Britney versus Taylor Swift debate. The week Britney's "Oops" was released, the population of the U.S. was 282.172 million people and it is 314.635 million today. And the weather in the United States is more volatile in May than it is in October, which may influence album sales if poor weather discourages album buyers from venturing outdoors. America's GDP in 2000 was about $10 trillion as opposed to today's figure of $14 trillion. But we can't forget that internet speeds we're much slower so stealing music was more difficult. The biggest music retailers were actual stores as opposed to the convenience of iTunes today. However, MTV had a huge impact on event albums back in 2000 and not so much today. So if I plug in all of the correct figures into my super complicated sales-adjustment formula, the better selling album is...
....still whoever sells more.
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Post by pnobelysk on Oct 23, 2012 16:20:13 GMT -5
Album sales are relatively a lot more hyped nowadays, then they burn out fast accounting for lower overall album sales. Lil Wayne, Gaga, Taylor all selling near one million copies... then they end up selling 3 million overall while OIDIA for example sold 10. Speak now sold over 4 million
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Post by Sounds from the Other Side on Oct 23, 2012 16:23:04 GMT -5
Go Kendrick! 200K is a good look.
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Post by d.t.m on Oct 23, 2012 16:42:05 GMT -5
Does anyone know SN's second week sales?
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Post by Eloqueenβ’ on Oct 23, 2012 16:45:31 GMT -5
Does anyone know SN's second week sales? 320k.
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Post by strikeleo on Oct 23, 2012 16:56:48 GMT -5
I thought Speak Now had dropped to the 2--s, nice to know that it did 300k, that's awesome! Hopefully it'll be able to keep those sales in Red's second week, too. I wish it would do 400k, but I'm afraid that might be wishing too much.
I'm confident now, after all these reports, that this will outsell Speak Now. Hopefully it'll be able to suppress 1.3m, it'd be amazing for it to do so.
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Post by HolidayGuy on Oct 23, 2012 17:07:19 GMT -5
Incredible selling power.
I didn't know the album is being withheld from Amazon MP3- good, strategic move. Also not on streaming sites.
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Post by areyoureadytojump on Oct 23, 2012 19:07:55 GMT -5
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Post by slicknickshady on Oct 23, 2012 19:32:38 GMT -5
I bought two new CD's that came out today at Best Buy. The new Stone Sour album and the new Kendrick Lamar. Uploaded with ImageShack.us
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Post by Deleted on Oct 23, 2012 19:46:22 GMT -5
Cool.
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Post by franklin on Oct 23, 2012 19:49:32 GMT -5
ewww. WHERE'S RED!?!?!!
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Post by slicknickshady on Oct 23, 2012 19:52:29 GMT -5
That wasnt on my radar. I think that RED will maybe sell decently enough without my purchase. Stone Sour will be lucky to do 50k if that. Taylor will do 4x + the sales of Stone Sour and Kendrick Lamar combined this week.
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Post by josh on Oct 23, 2012 20:05:44 GMT -5
Still waiting for Amazon to put it up for $5 to purchase it, and her other albums discounted as well. :'(
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Post by Janhova's Witness on Oct 23, 2012 20:07:15 GMT -5
u cheap ***** go buy the Target deluxe
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Post by Deleted on Oct 23, 2012 20:09:31 GMT -5
Is Taylor Swift's 'Red' iTunes Exclusive a Play to Prevent Deep Discounting? October 23, 2012 | By Ed Christman, New York In a possible attempt to ensure that Google Play and Amazon don't use Taylor Swift's just-released Red album as a loss leader priced below $3.49, Big Machine Records has not serviced the album to those stores, a source confirmed to Billboard.biz. In fact, the only digital merchant carrying the album is iTunes, which typically charges full list price on all albums; it has a one-week exclusive on the album's digital sales, Billboard.biz confirms. Business Matters: Why Taylor Swift's 'Red' is Absent From Subscription Services A search for the album on Google Play comes up empty and a track listing of the songs on the album are not featured in the Swift track section on the site. The MP3 album also doesn't come up on the Amazon site either, although that store is carrying the CD version of thealbum. Google confirms it will have the album next week. Both Amazon and Google have been known to price albums under $3.49 -- Billboard's pricing threshold (which, when violated in the first four weeks of an album's release, excludes sales for every unit sold under that price, when computing sales totals that determine the Billboard 200 ranking). But since the Billboard policy went into effect, both Google and Amazon have mainly reserved their loss-leader pricing strategy for titles available for more than four weeks, when they are seeking to drive traffic. Recently, however, Amazon priced Frank Ocean's Channel Orange at $2.99, which means none of the copies sold by that merchant counted toward the Billboard 200 chart that week. That Amazon pricing move was perceived by the industry as a retaliation against the artist and his label, Island Def Jam, for providing iTunes with an exclusive one-week window to sell the album ahead of other outlets. While the CD is widely available, Big Machine has provided Target with an exclusive version of the album that has six extra tracks and is perceived to be superior to the ones sold to other merchants, something that has riled up the indie-store account sector. Walmart also has an exclusive version, containing a 96-page magazine, stickers and other paraphernalia. This may also have factored into their decision not to service the MP3 version of the album to Amazon, which is carrying the CD version but usually doesn't violate the Billboard pricing policy in that format. In any event, it seems that the label is making sure that digital versions of the album priced below $3.49 are not cannibalizing sales from merchants selling the album at a price above that threshold. Every sales needs to count this week if Red is to going to generate 1 million units in sales in its debut week -- as projected -- and become the first woman artist to do so in the SoundScan era. Reps for Big Machine and Amazon either were not available or declined to comment. Additional reporting by Glenn Peoples. Read more at www.billboard.biz/bbbiz/industry/retail/is-taylor-swift-s-red-itunes-exclusive-a-1007988052.story#5AMdypm2pwtT1DAD.99
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Post by Deleted on Oct 23, 2012 20:10:07 GMT -5
Still waiting for Amazon to put it up for $5 to purchase it, and her other albums discounted as well. :'( not gonna happen this week anyway
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Post by Deleted on Oct 23, 2012 20:12:10 GMT -5
Business Matters: Why Taylor Swift's 'Red' is Absent From Subscription Services October 23, 2012 | By Glenn Peoples, Nashville Taylor Swift has joined a litany of artists in holding back a new release from subscription services. Her new album Red is conspicuously absent from Spotify, Rhapsody, Rdio, Mog and Xbox Music this week. The album's absence from subscription services is part of a formula that has worked well in the past. Red is not likely to be available at subscription services until Swift's next album is released, according to a source familiar with the label's strategy with her previous releases. Instead, the focus for Red is a mountain of retail campaigns and promotions at both well-known CD sellers and non-traditional retailers. And, as has happened in the past, "Red" was released on a Monday instead of the typical Tuesday release day. Like some other executives, Big Machine Records founder Scott Borchetta has struggled with the subscription model. "I personally struggle with that model - I don't think that it should be free," Borchetta told Billboard.biz at the iHeartRadio Music Festival in Las Vegas in September. "We've spoken with the services, and spoken with Spotify in particular, and we've talked about a lot of different things. We just haven't hit on the right model that works for us. I don't have thousands and thousands of albums and hundreds and hundreds of artists, I have a finite artist roster and finite number of releases. If you're a big battleship like Sony or Universal and have tens of thousands of masters, that income stream makes sense at a big corporation. It doesn't make sense to a small record company." Whatever size you consider Big Machine to be, the album is hard to miss in the marketplace. "Red," selling for $14.99, has been the #1 album since at iTunes since early Monday. Target is selling a deluxe version of "Red" and giving it a promotional push via a TV campaign. More than 1,600 24-hour Walgreens stores put the title on sale at midnight Sunday and have the CD on display. "Red" is also being displayed at Best Buy and Walmart. From This Week's Billboard: How Taylor Swift's 'Red' Is Getting A Boost From Branding Mega-Deals Even pizza chain Papa John's is selling Red. Customers can buy Red at Papa John's locations or have it delivered with their order. Pizza boxes have been transformed from bland cardboard into a special design featuring the Red album cover. And the Papa John's website has a page dedicated to Swift that streams audio clips of the new album. Fans can get a large one-topping pizza and Red CD for $22. Adding the CD to any order costs $13. Swift's visibility goes beyond the album release. Keds is offering a limited-edition, $50 Red sneaker in honor of the album release (Swift and the album are currently promoted on the Keds home page). Swift has brand deals with Elizabeth Arden, American Greetings and CoverGirl, and she is featured in a Macy's TV campaign. Red sold 262,000 units at iTunes on Monday -- that's more than most albums sell in all formats at all retailers in an entire week -- and is projected to top a million in first-week sales. The album's heightened awareness blunts one of the primary roles of the subscription service. A subscription service is a place to discover music and listen before buying. The more people listen, the more likely they are to buy the music -- or a concert ticket or some other item. The argument makes more sense with unknown artists. A superstar artist like Swift has an unparalleled amount of awareness for her releases. Or, a subscription service would argue, at least it provides a legal, ad-supported alternative to piracy. Of course such a service can also be used as a substitute for buying music, but so far the evidence in the U.S. points to subscription services and download stores existing in harmony. The idea that services such as Spotify cannibalize sales has not yet been put to rest, but recent news that Mumford and Sons' Babelsmashed Spotify's single-week streaming record while selling 600,000 units probably will do it. Cannibalization could be a factor here. As Billboard reported Tuesday, Big Machine has held Red back from Amazon's MP3 store and Google Play. iTunes has a one-week exclusive and is selling a "Mastered for iTunes" version for $14.99. The theory is that Big Machine wanted to take no chance that deep discounting by either Amazon or Google would take away from getting as many first-week sales as possible. A sale price under $3.50 does not count toward Billboard's album chart. What if streaming were included in the product mix? For the sake of argument, if Red surpassed the Spotify single-week streaming record set by Babel by a factor of three (which Babel did to its predecessor), Red would generate $120,000 in royalties at 0.5 cents per stream. If Spotify et al were additive rather than substitutive, Big Machine would come out slightly ahead. But if Spotify et al were substitutive rather than additive, Big Machine would lose the equivalent of 11,436 digital album sales. Artists and labels have a toolkit available to them when deciding how to release an album. Taylor Swift can choose from one of the most impressive toolkits in the music business. With all due respect to some great and innovative companies, subscription services just don't rank high on a list that also contains Walgreens, Papa Johns and Target. Additional reporting by Andrew Hampp. Read more at www.billboard.biz/bbbiz/industry/digital-and-mobile/business-matters-why-taylor-swift-s-red-1007988042.story#bHf0iUEKTqiM8QFg.99
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Post by Deleted on Oct 23, 2012 20:14:06 GMT -5
Glad the Deluxe Edition isn't a Target exclusive here ^^
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Post by josh on Oct 23, 2012 20:21:05 GMT -5
Welp. Guess that mean's Amazon is selling the album for below $3.49 next week. I wouldn't expect anything less after Frank's album.
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Post by Au$tin on Oct 23, 2012 20:25:51 GMT -5
This really pisses me off. I can see waiting a week or even a month, but the entire era? Are they trying to make it harder for her to peak higher on the Hot 100?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 23, 2012 20:27:21 GMT -5
LOL - Don't think that is a consideration
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Post by Au$tin on Oct 23, 2012 20:31:58 GMT -5
LOL - Don't think that is a consideration Not now anyway. Hype is going to make sales huge for the first couple of weeks for the songs, but in the coming months when more singles are released, it may hurt their chances. Although, I don't think her label cares. If they did, they would've handled the Speak Now era much better when it came to the singles.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 23, 2012 20:38:39 GMT -5
'Red' will have a bazillion singles with 'Glee'-like chart runs but they will move a whole bunch of albums
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Post by strikeleo on Oct 23, 2012 20:44:53 GMT -5
I think they may release a few tracks to the service so it can place better on the hot 100 when released as singles. It'd be just stupid to hinder one song performance because they don't agree it should be free. Singles are used to sell an album, and putting it on Spotify will make more people buy the record. It's that simple.
I also fear that both Google Play and Amazon MP3 are going to do deep discounts next week, but I'm still hopeful they won't. I wouldn't put it past Scott to make a way for that not to happen, though.
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Post by Devil Marlena Nylund on Oct 23, 2012 21:03:26 GMT -5
Wow. It's interesting that they aren't giving the album to those digital outlets for the first week. I think it says a lot about how important charts are to the label but also that even though the labels are getting the money, despite discounts, they aren't willing to risk the stigma that comes with heavy discounting even though they have nothing to do with it.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 23, 2012 21:03:34 GMT -5
"With Red, Taylor has set a new record for the most rapid accumulation of 50 Top 100 hits in history" Glee did it faster It's such a bogus record to begin with.
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Post by josh on Oct 23, 2012 21:07:57 GMT -5
My question is have Amazon and/or Google done deep discounts early enough to not have the sales count, besides Frank? I can't think of a single other instance, so I don't see why they would do it with Taylor if given the album THIS week.
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