moore746
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Post by moore746 on Oct 23, 2012 14:02:51 GMT -5
No female even had 2 750k debuts until now. And of the 3 artists with 2 platinum opening weeks, none of those albums were mostly (or, for Speak Now, exclusively) solo written. Taylor rules. Good grief is right, you are out of control! Convenient cut-off: Britney's "Oops..." sold 1.3 mil. and "Britney" sold 746k...
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Post by Mark on Oct 23, 2012 14:05:20 GMT -5
No female even had 2 750k debuts until now. And of the 3 artists with 2 platinum opening weeks, none of those albums were mostly (or, for Speak Now, exclusively) solo written. Taylor rules. Good grief is right, you are out of control! Convenient cut-off: Britney's "Oops..." sold 1.3 mil. and "Britney" sold 746k... Tweaking his criteria to just cut off other artists to make Taylor look better is his specialty.
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Post by josh on Oct 23, 2012 14:07:58 GMT -5
Good grief is right, you are out of control! Convenient cut-off: Britney's "Oops..." sold 1.3 mil. and "Britney" sold 746k... Tweaking his criteria to just cut off other artists to make Taylor look better is his specialty. Yeah, I don't think anyone will ever top him. :'(
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Post by KeepDeanWeird on Oct 23, 2012 14:11:38 GMT -5
Not that it changes any of the raw numbers, but back in *NYSNC and OIDIA, there were no physical singles available (of lead singles) AND people used to buy multiple copies. (Far fewer people had the ability to duplicate one CD at home at that time.) I remember when NSA came out, callers on the release date were say things like they bought two or three copies: 1 for home, 1 for school and 1 for mom's car, etc.! LOL
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Post by Peaches. [Ch, r. is] on Oct 23, 2012 14:11:53 GMT -5
I like how we're all making fun of Taylor fans for being proud of this achievement, as if they're making a big deal out of nothing. But it's actually really impressive that she is able to get 2 +1million debuts in a row, so poke fun all you want.
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Post by slayZ on Oct 23, 2012 14:12:06 GMT -5
Is 1.1 million their officially prediction, or will we get another one later today?
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Post by Devil Marlena Nylund on Oct 23, 2012 14:15:27 GMT -5
In any day and age, it takes a hot album from a hot artist to sell one million Don't forget: even with the help of 99 cent sales, that you ever so conveniently mention at any opportunity.
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Post by Devil Marlena Nylund on Oct 23, 2012 14:18:09 GMT -5
Tweaking his criteria to just cut off other artists to make Taylor look better is his specialty. Yeah, I don't think anyone will ever top him. :'( Not even Taylor Jesuswift herself?
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Post by fridayteenage on Oct 23, 2012 14:18:15 GMT -5
Well, 1 million is much more impressive than 746k to me. Bigger #, worse sales climate, following a 4x platinum as opposed to 10x platinum album.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 23, 2012 14:20:19 GMT -5
In any day and age, it takes a hot album from a hot artist to sell one million Don't forget: even with the help of 99 cent sales, that you ever so conveniently mention at any opportunity. Remove that album, my point is unchanged.
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Post by when the pawn... on Oct 23, 2012 14:22:27 GMT -5
Is 1.1 million their officially prediction, or will we get another one later today? I think we'll probably get updates through Thurs night - at least something tomorrow for all of this week's releases and then the Thurs night rundown. I understand there are many factors at hand but I can't imagine Red would've sold as much or less in 2000 than whatever it sells this week. I know it's always been rare to have million+ debuts but we had 5 albums debut above 1.3 million (using this number since Britney's OIDIA is the disputed album of the week) between 2000-2001. I believe that hasn't happened once since. I agree that the 'depressed climate' has affected long-term sales more than debut weeks but 1999-2002 was certainly a heightened period for album sales in general.
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Post by Devil Marlena Nylund on Oct 23, 2012 14:23:16 GMT -5
I like your method of looking only at the hard data, even despite all of the speculation and theories surrounding the whole "what would happen if...?" It's really the only way to measure and compare. 99 cents or no 99 cents, Born This Way still sold 1 million copies so there's no point in mentioning that fact every time it comes up. Otherwise, we may as well bring up the fact that Britney's albums were released in a different time under a better economy and a music industry where sales were double what they are now.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 23, 2012 14:25:08 GMT -5
I like your method of looking only at the hard data, even despite all of the speculation and theories surrounding the whole "what would happen if...?" It's really the only way to measure and compare. 99 cents or no 99 cents, Born This Way still sold 1 million copies so there's no point in mentioning that fact every time it comes up. Otherwise, we may as well bring up the fact that Britney's albums were released in a different time under a better economy and a music industry where sales were double what they are now. Fair enough
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Post by Deleted on Oct 23, 2012 14:28:44 GMT -5
I like your method of looking only at the hard data, even despite all of the speculation and theories surrounding the whole "what would happen if...?" It's really the only way to measure and compare. 99 cents or no 99 cents, Born This Way still sold 1 million copies so there's no point in mentioning that fact every time it comes up. Otherwise, we may as well bring up the fact that Britney's albums were released in a different time under a better economy and a music industry where sales were double what they are now. But it's not like it's just 2m or Pulse mentioning. Billboard, Hits, Paul, ect ect ect bring it up every damn time too lol Amazing for Taylor(but expected from me). The album is really good, and I'm glad she's selling huge even with the minor backlash from some country fans!! Best Tay Tay album yet(in my glorious, right, opinion).
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Post by slw84 on Oct 23, 2012 14:29:51 GMT -5
I mean even if she did beat Britney's record, it wouldn't be fair. Taylor had a whole extra day of sales. Britney had the advantage of a better economy. And so on... Britney had the disadvantage of Napster which was at its peak in 99/00, though.
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Post by Devil Marlena Nylund on Oct 23, 2012 14:30:09 GMT -5
They also bring up occasionally the speculation of the different sales periods sometimes too.
I think all the speculation are worthy points of discussion because it's interesting to be able to try and compare but at the end of the day, all you have are the numbers that you're given so sometimes seeing people argue over what they think would have happened seems so pointless because no one knows for sure.
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Post by Peaches. [Ch, r. is] on Oct 23, 2012 14:32:36 GMT -5
Britney had the advantage of a better economy. And so on... Britney had the disadvantage of Napster which was at its peak in 99/00, though. But Taylor has the disadvantage because the "complete my album" feature wasn't working so people started buying individual songs. She likely lost 400k on that alone :(
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Post by Fat Ass Kelly Price on Oct 23, 2012 14:36:17 GMT -5
I like how we're all making fun of Taylor fans for being proud of this achievement, as if they're making a big deal out of nothing. But it's actually really impressive that she is able to get 2 +1million debuts in a row, so poke fun all you want. It's not the fact that they're proud of the achievement. It's the fact that a certain Taylor stan goes out of his/her way to point out arbitrary "achievements."
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Post by Deleted on Oct 23, 2012 14:39:00 GMT -5
I like your method of looking only at the hard data, even despite all of the speculation and theories surrounding the whole "what would happen if...?" It's really the only way to measure and compare. 99 cents or no 99 cents, Born This Way still sold 1 million copies so there's no point in mentioning that fact every time it comes up. Otherwise, we may as well bring up the fact that Britney's albums were released in a different time under a better economy and a music industry where sales were double what they are now. But it's not like it's just 2m or Pulse mentioning. Billboard, Hits, Paul, ect ect ect bring it up every damn time too lol Amazing for Taylor(but expected from me). The album is really good, and I'm glad she's selling huge even with the minor backlash from some country fans!! Best Tay Tay album yet(in my glorious, right, opinion). His point was reasonable If I am arguing that "depressed climate" is not a good reason to say selling x today is like selling y in 2002 then using other "market conditions" is not good either.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 23, 2012 14:54:57 GMT -5
Britney had the disadvantage of Napster which was at its peak in 99/00, though. But Taylor has the disadvantage because the "complete my album" feature wasn't working so people started buying individual songs. She likely lost 400k on that alone :( She had an extra day tho to make up for the bug.
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Post by Rodze on Oct 23, 2012 14:58:29 GMT -5
This thread, as usual... lol www.billboard.com/#/news/taylor-swift-s-red-to-sell-1-million-in-1007987962.storyTaylor Swift's 'Red' to Sell 1 Million in First WeekAccording to industry sources, first-day sales for "Red" (Monday, Oct. 22) surpassed 500,000 units, including a record opening day sum at Target, as the mass-merchant scored exclusive rights to the album's deluxe version which includes three additional songs and three remixes. According to sources, Target shifted more than 160,000 units. Though not confirmed, unit sales at the iTunes Music Store appears to have also been record-setting. The digital retailer reportedly accounted for nearly half of all units sold on "Red's" first day of availability.
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Post by Eloqueen™ on Oct 23, 2012 15:00:00 GMT -5
This thread, as usual... lol www.billboard.com/#/news/taylor-swift-s-red-to-sell-1-million-in-1007987962.storyTaylor Swift's 'Red' to Sell 1 Million in First WeekAccording to industry sources, first-day sales for "Red" (Monday, Oct. 22) surpassed 500,000 units, including a record opening day sum at Target, as the mass-merchant scored exclusive rights to the album's deluxe version which includes three additional songs and three remixes. According to sources, Target shifted more than 160,000 units. Though not confirmed, unit sales at the iTunes Music Store appears to have also been record-setting. The digital retailer reportedly accounted for nearly half of all units sold on "Red's" first day of availability. That's insane.
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Post by Taylor. on Oct 23, 2012 15:00:02 GMT -5
:'(
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Post by Deleted on Oct 23, 2012 15:00:14 GMT -5
So, it sold the same as Britney on her first day. Add the extra day this has, and subtract the fact that OIDIA had better longevity, this is going to be very close.
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Post by josh on Oct 23, 2012 15:07:11 GMT -5
So, it sold the same as Britney on her first day. Add the extra day this has, and subtract the fact that OIDIA had better longevity, this is going to be very close. I totally thought you were talking about Femme Fatale.
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Post by Verisimilitude on Oct 23, 2012 15:07:17 GMT -5
A RED PRIMER: SWIFT'S MEDIA CONQUEST
Taylor Swift’s Album Will Debut with More Than One Million Sold Next Week
October 23, 2012
Taylor Swift’s fourth Big Machine studio album Red came out yesterday accompanied by an unprecedented marketing campaign that promises to send first-week sales past 1 million. The release topped the all-genre albums chart at iTunes within 36 minutes of release, and first-day sales alone topped 262k albums, according to label sources. Taylor scored 13 of the Top 20 songs on iTunes, with the song “Everything Has Changed” taking the #1 position on the Top Songs chart. Red has sold 4.5 million song downloads to date at iTunes in the U.S. alone. At Target, Taylor’s Speak Now album had the highest one-week sales in the retailer’s history. Red has now set the record for one-day sales and is on pace to exceed Speak Now’s one-week results.
Worldwide, Red reached #1 at iTunes on the first day of release in 32 countries, including the UK, Australia, Singapore, Brazil, Canada, Italy, Hong Kong, Taiwan, Vietnam, Denmark, Venezuela, Thailand, and Ireland.
With Red, Taylor has set a new record for the most rapid accumulation of 50 Top 100 hits in history, reaching the milestone only six years and one month after her 2006 chart debut, topping Aretha Franklin’s record, with her stretch of just over 14 years and six months. Taylor is one of only five women in the 54-year history of the chart to reach this milestone, joining Franklin, Madonna, Connie Francis and Dionne Warwick.
Red has also received critical acclaim. Rolling Stone calls her “a turbine of artistic and ambition and superstar drama… a 16-song geyser of willful eclecticism.” Entertainment Weekly raves, “Sublime…Red should be required listening.” The L.A. Times says: “Red burns with confidence. She seems to have crossed some sort of emotional threshold to the assured words and music of a star… There are no bumps on Red...only clean, perfectly rendered American popular music.” The Washington Post called the album “another winner… She connects with clear, concise, relatable love songs that are thrown like punches and steeped in everyday details.”
Taylor is making multiple television appearances this week in support of Red. Her Times Square Concert this morning was the largest in the history of Good Morning America, and tonight she appears on the Late Show with David Letterman. Tomorrow, she will be live on ABC’s The View, and on Thursday she will make a special concert appearance on The Ellen DeGeneres Show. Friday, she will be a guest on ABC’s Katie with Katie Couric, and that night she will be featured on ABC’s All Access Nashville with Katie Couric A Special Edition of 20/20. On Tuesday, Oct. 30, Taylor will perform on ABC’s Dancing with the Stars and also on the network’s 41st Annual CMA Awards Nov. 1.
Taylor is featured on the covers of the current issues of Rolling Stone and Glamour magazines.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 23, 2012 15:08:46 GMT -5
Damn woman.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 23, 2012 15:09:33 GMT -5
"With Red, Taylor has set a new record for the most rapid accumulation of 50 Top 100 hits in history"
Glee did it faster
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Post by Adonis the DemiGod! on Oct 23, 2012 15:11:01 GMT -5
This is Taylor's world and I am just lucky to be living in it!
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Post by Cerbius on Oct 23, 2012 15:14:02 GMT -5
Hmm I wish they revealed how much Speak Now sold in its first day.
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