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Post by ga68153 on Oct 24, 2012 13:42:26 GMT -5
Wasn't NSYNC the last, not Backstreet Boys, to do 2 million debuts? Yes it was NSYNC. NSA sold 2.1 million, Celebrity sold 1.8
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Post by Wavey✨️ on Oct 24, 2012 13:50:24 GMT -5
The prediction thread for T.Swift...
...Look, Kendrick Lamar is killing, didn't know his buzz was that huge!
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Post by slicknickshady on Oct 24, 2012 14:01:42 GMT -5
Roadrunner’s Stone Sour at 24-27k
OUCH, At least i'm one of those. It is a good album.
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Post by when the pawn... on Oct 24, 2012 14:10:15 GMT -5
Honestly, Kendrick Lamar's numbers are FAR more impressive given Taylor's expectations based on her past 1st-week performance and constant success of her iTunes singles. Not to say this isn't very impressive, I'm just far more stunned by Kendrick. I don't know that I'd say it's more impressive. Yes, there were big expectations for Taylor but she's selling 1.1+ for pete's sake. Regardless, amazing for both of them. This fall has been full of great surprises/hits (on varying scales) between Pink, Little Big Town, Mumford & Sons, Miguel, Macklemore, Jason Aldean, Taylor Swift and Kendrick Lamar.
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Post by p0isonparadise. on Oct 24, 2012 14:18:33 GMT -5
Wasn't NSYNC the last, not Backstreet Boys, to do 2 million debuts? Yes it was NSYNC. NSA sold 2.1 million, Celebrity sold 1.8 NSA actually sold 2.4 million in its first week. ;)
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Post by Lockheart on Oct 24, 2012 14:33:40 GMT -5
Wasn't NSYNC the last, not Backstreet Boys, to do 2 million debuts? Are you asking for a 2M debut or 2 million debuts. If first, then definitely NSYNC, but if the latter, then Eminem did with The Eminem Show back in '02
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Post by Deleted on Oct 24, 2012 14:43:42 GMT -5
I don't think The Eminem Show counts as debuting with a million. It sold nearly 300k from street date violations from the weekend before its scheduled release, which was enough to debut at #1, it then sold 1M+ in the following week. So technically it sold 1M+ in week 2.
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Post by strikeleo on Oct 24, 2012 15:18:01 GMT -5
I think the label is definitely going to push for 1.3kk, knowing Scott Borchetta and all.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 24, 2012 15:33:32 GMT -5
I think the label is definitely going to push for 1.3kk, knowing Scott Borchetta and all. itunes has the digital exclusive this week and it is still 1.1+ If they were worried about 1.3 they would open it up
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Post by fridayteenage on Oct 24, 2012 15:38:20 GMT -5
I think 1 mil+ is fine; better to have more longevity + total sales in the long run than blowing the wad on an opening week.
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Post by hazuki on Oct 24, 2012 15:52:27 GMT -5
I knew Kendrick would do 220k. His hype is just as J. Cole was
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Post by babydoll9711 on Oct 24, 2012 16:35:34 GMT -5
can't wait to watch the sales Monday & Tuesday
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Post by slicknickshady on Oct 24, 2012 17:32:45 GMT -5
What hits daily double said is Eminem is like the last artist with two straight albums that sold 1,000,000 in a week. Doesn't have to be first week. I think thats what they meant.
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Post by Devil Marlena Nylund on Oct 24, 2012 17:42:58 GMT -5
If they meant that, they wouldn't have said with debut weeks.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 24, 2012 17:48:04 GMT -5
^That, but I don't know why they said it like that. Only three artists have ever done it at all so I don't really get the point in trying to make some differentiation just based on debut weeks. If anything it's rather impressive that someone could hit 1 million + in the second week even after losing 300k in sales to street date violations. Regardless, they got it wrong anyway as someone pointed out Backstreet was the first to do it, not the last.
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Post by CammyCan on Oct 24, 2012 17:57:10 GMT -5
1.1 - 1.2 million is already outstanding, but I hope she continues to trend upwards like with Speak Now!
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Post by Deleted on Oct 24, 2012 18:14:27 GMT -5
Yes Backstreet Boys was the first, then N Sync then Eminem
Here is the list - hopefully edited appropriately for soundscan sensors
1 4/8/2000 No Strings Attached 'N Sync 2.42 2 8/11/2001 Celebrity 'N Sync 1.88 3 6/10/2000 The Marshall Mathers LP Eminem 1.76 4 12/9/2000 Black & Blue Backstreet Boys 1.59 5 6/15/2002 The Eminem Show Eminem 1.32 6 6/3/2000 Oops...I Did It Again Britney Spears 1.32 7 1/6/2001 1 The Beatles 1.26 8 3/19/2005 The Massacre 50 Cent 1.14 9 6/5/1999 Millennium Backstreet Boys 1.13 10 6/11/2011 Born This Way Lady Gaga 1.11 11 4/10/2004 Confessions Usher 1.11 12 12/5/1998 Double Live Garth Brooks 1.09 13 1/9/1993 The Bodyguard Soundtrack 1.06 14 11/4/2000 Chocolate Starfish Limp Bizkit 1.06 15 11/13/2010 Speak Now Taylor Swift 1.05 16 2/28/2004 Feels Like Home Norah Jones 1.02 17 6/28/2008 Tha Carter III Lil' Wayne 1.01
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Post by Deleted on Oct 24, 2012 19:33:41 GMT -5
Those rounded numbers should be fine, 2m
2000 was such an unusual year - five! I still wonder what was in the water then, or if the TRL era really was just that big of an influence.
Also interesting to note that only four of these 1m+ sellers (Black & Blue, 1, The Bodyguard, and Double Live) were holiday releases. And Garth was a double disc, so he may need the dreaded asterisk next to his name.
Not that it makes much of a difference in the grand scheme of things, but if The Eminem Show had not had those street-date violations it would have just edged into fourth place on that list instead of fifth.
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Post by areyoureadytojump on Oct 24, 2012 20:02:49 GMT -5
^What do you mean about Garth being a double disc? Why would it need an asterick? He sold 1.09 copies of the 2cd album.
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Post by josh on Oct 24, 2012 20:06:48 GMT -5
So then he got 2x plat in the first week?
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Post by areyoureadytojump on Oct 24, 2012 20:12:45 GMT -5
^In a way, yes. Garth knows how to play the RIAA game. That album hasn't even sold 6 million, but it's certified 21xp.
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Post by WotUNeed on Oct 24, 2012 20:13:22 GMT -5
So then he got 2x plat in the first week? You can't certify in your first week, but, this old release shows that, when it did become eligible for certification a month after its release, it was certified 12x platinum. (Its most recent certification, in November 2006, was for 21x platinum.)
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Post by josh on Oct 24, 2012 20:18:08 GMT -5
Yeah, I remember someone bringing up it takes a few weeks to certify, I just meant his first week sales are the equivalent of 2x plat because of the double CD.
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Post by applechic on Oct 24, 2012 20:19:44 GMT -5
Hah! Of course fans of lesser stars are gonna be MAD that their favorites can't touch Taylor's level of success at the moment. She's gonna have back-to-back 1M first week sales...amazing! Enjoy it while you can! The difference is that Taylor is a song-writer and a real artist. She's not like the washed up, manufactured pop stars of the early 2000s...which means her career will have longevity. She may experiment with pop but she will always connect with her fanbase through her personal lyrics. And I remember after Fearless, everyone said it won't last. Then Speak Now came out and did even bigger business. So they said it won't last until the next album. Now Red is on pace to do even bigger business. So yes, I will be enjoying it for a LONG time.
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Post by Verisimilitude on Oct 24, 2012 20:20:03 GMT -5
Taylor Swift Ready To Paint Billboard 200 'Red,' Kendrick Lamar Heading For No. 2 October 24, 2012 | By Silvio Pietroluongo, New York As previously reported, Taylor Swift's "Red" is trending toward a 1 million-plus sales week and a non-surprising Billboard 200 No. 1 debut, as industry sources seem certain that the album will eclipse the seven-figure sales threshold. Indications are that "Red" will mostly likely race past the first-week sum of Swift's previous set, "Speak Now" (2010), which began with 1.046 million in 2010, according to Nielsen SoundScan. With two days of sales under its belt through Wednesday (the Big Machine title was released on Oct. 22, bypassing the normal Tuesday-release cycle), "Red" has reportedly shifted more than 600,000 units. By the time the sales week is complete (SoundScan will tally totals through Oct. 28), "Red" will most likely have set single-week sales records at digital retailer iTunes Music Store and mass-merchant Target. The former retailer holds the first-week digital exclusive for the title, while the latter has created pop-up Swift stores in its locations and is the sole source for the deluxe edition of "Red," which contains three bonus track and three additional remixes. Swift is casting a large shadow on what is set to be a rather noteworthy bow on the Billboard 200 by relative newcomer Kendrick Lamar, whose major-label debut "Good Kid M.A.A.D. City" (Interscope) looks locked into a No. 2 debut with a sales sum north of 220,000. That would put Lamar in range for the highest sales total by a male rapper this year, an honor currently held by Young Jeezy, who shifted 233,000 with "TM:103: Hustlerz Ambition" in January. Other albums on course for top 10 entries next week include Stone Sour's "House of Gold & Bones Part One," Tony Bennett's "Viva Duets" and Gary Clark Jr.s "Blak & Blu." The new Billboard 200 chart's top 10 will be revealed on the morning of Oct. 31. Read more at www.billboard.biz/bbbiz/industry/retail/taylor-swift-ready-to-paint-billboard-200-1007990442.story#9jtgrWIJh6Rh6xZS.99
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Post by areyoureadytojump on Oct 24, 2012 20:29:17 GMT -5
Yeah, I remember someone bringing up it takes a few weeks to certify, I just meant his first week sales are the equivalent of 2x plat because of the double CD. Albums can be certified after 30 days so I hope Pink's label is applying for that Gold certification now!
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Post by p0isonparadise. on Oct 24, 2012 20:48:36 GMT -5
^In a way, yes. Garth knows how to play the RIAA game. That album hasn't even sold 6 million, but it's certified 21xp. How is it possible for him to be certified 21xp when he hasn't even sold 6 million? Last time I checked 6x2=12. Unless they're counting each disc as a separate "shipment"?
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Post by jughead on Oct 24, 2012 21:07:57 GMT -5
Wow @ Taylor. Now, where are the people who counted her off after Fearless?
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Post by areyoureadytojump on Oct 24, 2012 21:26:48 GMT -5
^In a way, yes. Garth knows how to play the RIAA game. That album hasn't even sold 6 million, but it's certified 21xp. How is it possible for him to be certified 21xp when he hasn't even sold 6 million? Last time I checked 6x2=12. Unless they're counting each disc as a separate "shipment"? Actually, Double Live crossed 6 million sold recently. His boxset included Double Live and that sold 2 million so that's another 4xp. I think I figured out the asterik comment. Walmart changed their reporting week to match SoundScan so that enabled Garth to sell 1 million units in a week.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 24, 2012 23:42:37 GMT -5
Yeah, what I meant by "may" need the asterisk is that I wasn't sure if he actually sold over 1 million albums, or if he just sold 1 million discs (which would mean ~500k albums, give or take one of the discs possibly selling more than the other). Some would have no problem with that - I personally don't care - but others would argue it's a "cheat." The only thing I found on how the RIAA certifies multiple-disc albums is this: ( Double Live is 100 minutes and 11 seconds long, lmao) Garth's wiki says he is certified 21x platinum but then has album sales at 10.5 million, I just wasn't sure if BB also applied this rule when talking about his opening week numbers. While searching on it, I did come across this old Idolator writeup that claimed Garth tried to use Soundscan's double-disc rule several times in a failed attempt to pass the Beatles for most certified act. I don't know how true that is though.
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