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Post by jjose712 on May 25, 2013 7:59:37 GMT -5
The beggining of what hopefully will be their third smash hit
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Post by velaxti on May 25, 2013 8:11:55 GMT -5
AMP 103.3 in Boston has been playing this song for a while. In fact, they have a promo tag for the song where Macklemore states that AMP was the 'first and only' station playing it for a while. I think the song is catchy, and I like it. However, as for performance on the chart, there is no doubt that many markets will not spin the song or do so in limited (overnight) spins. This includes some big markets too like those in Texas because they do have large (rural and urban) listening area, and they will weigh the audience impact versus spins. That will hurt its overall peak. I think the song will get played pretty much everywhere. You have to think about the demographics that listen to top 40 radio, it's mainly women, and let's be honest, a lot of the males that listen to it are probably gay. Even in right-wing areas, the people that listen to pop radio will still probably be more left-leaning than the average population there. The song will get a lot of requests from its audience, and radio stations will all be keen to support this song, because supporting gay rights is ONLY a good thing in this day and age. Any celebrity that says they don't support gay rights instantly become hated by millions of people. It would hurt a radio station a lot if they support Thrift Shop and Can't Hold Us, but don't support Same Love. It'll be obvious, nobody will risk it imo. I think maybe some people will get surprised by the airplay this song receives, but I'm expecting it to be a huge airplay hit just like their other singles. Maybe a bit less than them, because we have to bear in mind the song is less catchy than the other two singles (at least imo), and also 3rd singles tend to be not as big naturally. It's like how in some countries in Asia I think, they censored Born This Way. They received an enormous amount of criticism for that from the US media. But anyway, it's a good song, and I know it'll be a smash.
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Post by JCMF3 on May 25, 2013 8:40:53 GMT -5
AMP 103.3 in Boston has been playing this song for a while. In fact, they have a promo tag for the song where Macklemore states that AMP was the 'first and only' station playing it for a while. I think the song is catchy, and I like it. However, as for performance on the chart, there is no doubt that many markets will not spin the song or do so in limited (overnight) spins. This includes some big markets too like those in Texas because they do have large (rural and urban) listening area, and they will weigh the audience impact versus spins. That will hurt its overall peak. I think the song will get played pretty much everywhere. You have to think about the demographics that listen to top 40 radio, it's mainly women, and let's be honest, a lot of the males that listen to it are probably gay. Even in right-wing areas, the people that listen to pop radio will still probably be more left-leaning than the average population there. The song will get a lot of requests from its audience, and radio stations will all be keen to support this song, because supporting gay rights is ONLY a good thing in this day and age. Any celebrity that says they don't support gay rights instantly become hated by millions of people. It would hurt a radio station a lot if they support Thrift Shop and Can't Hold Us, but don't support Same Love. It'll be obvious, nobody will risk it imo. I think maybe some people will get surprised by the airplay this song receives, but I'm expecting it to be a huge airplay hit just like their other singles. Maybe a bit less than them, because we have to bear in mind the song is less catchy than the other two singles (at least imo), and also 3rd singles tend to be not as big naturally. It's like how in some countries in Asia I think, they censored Born This Way. They received an enormous amount of criticism for that from the US media. But anyway, it's a good song, and I know it'll be a smash. Stations in the South censored The Script's Breakeven regarding the line 'praying to a god that I don't believe in'. I am skeptical that even in 2 years you will see those stations playing a song about gay marriage/relationships - at least, not in super high rotation like Macklemore's previous hits. That is my personal opinion and we will see what happens of course. I also agree that the song is not as catchy as their previous hits, which is also a negative for its performance. Re: Asian market performance of Born This Way- this is the first time I have heard of this criticism from US media. Did that criticism make those stations change their mind and play the song? Did people abandon the radio stations because they didn't play that song? On a related note, how was Born This Way's airplay geographically in the US? I remember the song was a fast peaker and its max spins were somewhat modest for that time. But I am wondering on the data for Born This Way's spins in more 'conservative' states. Did the Salt Lake City market play it heavily, for example?
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Post by Az Paynter on May 26, 2013 6:07:48 GMT -5
POP: 53 50 MACKLEMORE & RYAN LEWIS Same Love f/Mary Lambert 478 357 121 4.649
-2 Spins -63 Bullet +0.049 Audience
ALTERNATIVE: 23 24 MACKLEMORE & RYAN LEWIS Same Love f/Mary Lambert 387 409 -22 2.664
-10 Spins -15 Bullet -0.191 Audience
RHYTHMIC: 48 39 MACKLEMORE & RYAN LEWIS Same Love f/Mary Lambert 617 314 303 4.951
+47 Spins +12 Bullet +0.317 Audience
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Post by ListenToItTwice on May 26, 2013 10:30:17 GMT -5
Well that's a bummer.. I guess this won't really be taking off until "Can't Hold Us" is dead and gone. Which may take a while.
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Post by josh on May 26, 2013 10:38:12 GMT -5
Well that's a bummer.. I guess this won't really be taking off until "Can't Hold Us" is dead and gone. Which may take a while. Memorial Day weekend. Most new songs were quite slow.
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Post by josh on May 27, 2013 6:37:13 GMT -5
Pop: 52 48 MACKLEMORE & RYAN LEWIS Same Love f/Mary Lambert 492 367 125 4.674
+14 spins +4 bullet +0.025 audience
Alternative: 23 24 MACKLEMORE & RYAN LEWIS Same Love f/Mary Lambert 375 413 -38 2.507
-12 spins -16 bullet -0.157 audience
Rhythmic: 45 38 MACKLEMORE & RYAN LEWIS Same Love f/Mary Lambert 658 356 302 5.188
+41 spins -1 bullet +0.237 audience
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Post by Az Paynter on May 28, 2013 6:08:26 GMT -5
POP: 52 47 MACKLEMORE & RYAN LEWIS Same Love f/Mary Lambert 532 373 159 4.985
+40 Spins +34 Bullet +0.311 Audience
ALTERNATIVE: 23 24 MACKLEMORE & RYAN LEWIS Same Love f/Mary Lambert 368 411 -43 2.439
-7 Spins -5 Bullet -0.068 Audience
RHYTHMIC: 43 37 MACKLEMORE & RYAN LEWIS Same Love f/Mary Lambert 704 388 316 5.506
+46 Spins +14 Bullet +0.318 Audience
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Post by Deleted on May 28, 2013 8:40:27 GMT -5
Cant wait for this to SMASH and make history. :)
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Post by Matt4319 on May 28, 2013 21:58:28 GMT -5
Let's remember that this song even charting is already pretty groundbreaking.
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Post by getonthebus on May 28, 2013 22:07:13 GMT -5
Strangely, I think the line that's going to get this song the most grief is the "right-wing conservatives/think that it's a choice."
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Post by Arrow on May 28, 2013 22:18:35 GMT -5
I really like this song and hope it does well. The line "you've loved girls since before pre-K" bothers me, though. Do 3 or 4 year old kids have an attraction to any sex? Isn't that something that manifests itself later in childhood? I feel that the verses in general seem clumsy and wish that they were a bit more polished up as it just seems that for this song in particular that his rap sounds rough. Especially in comparison to the hook Mary Lambert is singing. I also wish the production was a bit more elegant and the melody was a bit prettier, like in the interlude etc. Still a good song though.
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Post by Az Paynter on May 29, 2013 6:08:56 GMT -5
POP: 52 47 MACKLEMORE & RYAN LEWIS Same Love f/Mary Lambert 575 384 191 5.137
+43 Spins +32 Bullet +0.152 Audience
ALTERNATIVE: 24 24 MACKLEMORE & RYAN LEWIS Same Love f/Mary Lambert 375 409 -34 2.421
+7 Spins +9 Bullet -0.018 Audience
RHYTHMIC: 43 36 MACKLEMORE & RYAN LEWIS Same Love f/Mary Lambert 765 429 336 5.940
+61 Spins +20 Bullet +0.434 Audience
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Post by Az Paynter on May 30, 2013 6:30:21 GMT -5
POP: 51 46 MACKLEMORE & RYAN LEWIS Same Love f/Mary Lambert 588 414 174 5.175
+13 Spins -17 Bullet +0.038 Audience
ALTERNATIVE: 24 23 MACKLEMORE & RYAN LEWIS Same Love f/Mary Lambert 389 396 -7 2.434
+14 Spins +27 Bullet +0.013 Audience
RHYTHMIC: 40 34 MACKLEMORE & RYAN LEWIS Same Love f/Mary Lambert 812 486 326 6.257
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Post by Az Paynter on May 31, 2013 6:07:55 GMT -5
POP: 51 46 MACKLEMORE & RYAN LEWIS Same Love f/Mary Lambert 613 447 166 5.261
+25 Spins -8 Bullet +0.086 Audience
ALTERNATIVE: 24 23 MACKLEMORE & RYAN LEWIS Same Love f/Mary Lambert 385 399 -14 2.402
-4 Spins -7 Bullet -0.032 Audience
RHYTHMIC: 39 32 MACKLEMORE & RYAN LEWIS Same Love f/Mary Lambert 891 529 362 6.679
+79 Spins +36 Bullet +0.422 Audience
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Post by jjose712 on May 31, 2013 8:55:15 GMT -5
In rythmic is smashing. I think the slow in pop is due to the fact that Can't hold us still didn't peak
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Post by EPG on May 31, 2013 11:55:15 GMT -5
Currently, "Same Love" is #44 on iTunes. It hasn't even started to pick up on CHR/POP yet. I think it's perfect timing for this song to be released for 2 reasons - (1) It's Pride Month and (2) the two gay rights cases before SCOTUS. It's going to be massive.
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Post by Love Plastic Love on May 31, 2013 13:44:54 GMT -5
I am not sure if this will be huge, but I hope it is. Even a minor hit out of this would feel like a huge victory.
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Post by downsouth on May 31, 2013 22:02:35 GMT -5
I love this song! I am pulling for it! Oh please smash hard!!
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Post by Az Paynter on Jun 1, 2013 6:17:04 GMT -5
POP: 50 46 MACKLEMORE & RYAN LEWIS Same Love f/Mary Lambert 629 480 149 5.306
+16 Spins -17 Bullet +0.045 Audience
ALTERNATIVE: 24 23 MACKLEMORE & RYAN LEWIS Same Love f/Mary Lambert 389 397 -8 2.472
+4 Spins +6 Bullet +0.070 Audience
RHYTHMIC: 39 31 MACKLEMORE & RYAN LEWIS Same Love f/Mary Lambert 955 570 385 7.058
+64 Spins +23 Bullet +0.379 Audience
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Post by tommymonster44 on Jun 1, 2013 13:38:35 GMT -5
Stations in the South censored The Script's Breakeven regarding the line 'praying to a god that I don't believe in'. I am skeptical that even in 2 years you will see those stations playing a song about gay marriage/relationships - at least, not in super high rotation like Macklemore's previous hits. That is my personal opinion and we will see what happens of course. I also agree that the song is not as catchy as their previous hits, which is also a negative for its performance. On a related note, how was Born This Way's airplay geographically in the US? I remember the song was a fast peaker and its max spins were somewhat modest for that time. But I am wondering on the data for Born This Way's spins in more 'conservative' states. Did the Salt Lake City market play it heavily, for example? Your very worried about right-winged conservatives supporting this song, but I don't understand why they should even be considered. I'm pretty sure that the success of Thrift Shop and Can't Hold Us can't be attributed to the overwhelming support of conservatives. Macklemore has already alienated these people. Same Love doesn't need the help of Houston or an old farmhouse in Kansas to become a hit. It'll need stations in huge urban areas such as DC, LA, NYC, Chicago, San Francisco, etc. Sure, support from Southern powerhouses like Dallas, San Antonio, and Salt Lake City would help. But these areas don't need to support the song for it to be successful. There are plenty of liberal cities out there that can be attributed to the success of his first two singles. If anything, I'd be worried about the fact that this song has no flow and is lacking his infectious hooks.
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Post by maladroit on Jun 2, 2013 0:04:32 GMT -5
Stations in the South censored The Script's Breakeven regarding the line 'praying to a god that I don't believe in'. I am skeptical that even in 2 years you will see those stations playing a song about gay marriage/relationships - at least, not in super high rotation like Macklemore's previous hits. That is my personal opinion and we will see what happens of course. I also agree that the song is not as catchy as their previous hits, which is also a negative for its performance. On a related note, how was Born This Way's airplay geographically in the US? I remember the song was a fast peaker and its max spins were somewhat modest for that time. But I am wondering on the data for Born This Way's spins in more 'conservative' states. Did the Salt Lake City market play it heavily, for example? Your very worried about right-winged conservatives supporting this song, but I don't understand why they should even be considered. I'm pretty sure that the success of Thrift Shop and Can't Hold Us can't be attributed to the overwhelming support of conservatives. Macklemore has already alienated these people. Same Love doesn't need the help of Houston or an old farmhouse in Kansas to become a hit. It'll need stations in huge urban areas such as DC, LA, NYC, Chicago, San Francisco, etc. Sure, support from Southern powerhouses like Dallas, San Antonio, and Salt Lake City would help. But these areas don't need to support the song for it to be successful. There are plenty of liberal cities out there that can be attributed to the success of his first two singles. If anything, I'd be worried about the fact that this song has no flow and is lacking his infectious hooks. I'm not aware of anyone who has expressed dislike for Macklemore's first two singles for political reasons. They contain no political or social messages other than "spending excessively on fashion might not be the wisest choice" and "independent artists are cool". So far he hasn't alienated anyone except for those who have a preconceived idea of what hip hop should be (and who are generally more liberal than conservative). A song which goes far, far beyond "Born This Way" in terms of its gay rights activism will be perceived by many as an complete left turn, and I think it's perfectly reasonable to worry about how the mainstream audience who knows nothing of Macklemore beyond his lighthearted party raps will respond to this. My guess is that it will soon begin flying up the charts once more people start taking notice, but then it'll stall in the high reaches of the top 10 due to persistent complaints from a small minority of listeners. To my understanding, these listeners exist in all markets, even San Francisco. I don't think many stations will go so far as to blacklist the song, which would be too obviously homophobic, but that doesn't mean they have to come out in full-throated support of it. It's hard to think of a reason why any station, when given a choice between playing an inherently/intentionally divisive song or the newest Maroon 5 single, will not opt for the latter nine times out of ten. Unless... Unless the positive reaction to the song is so strong that it outweighs any worries about conservative reaction. Maybe the backlash against it will generate a backlash of its own, like the people who supported Cheerios after the negative reactions to its ad featuring an interracial couple. Maybe it will become a Generation Y rallying cry of sorts, something CHR stations will have to play often if they want to maintain their youth identity and credibility. I'm hoping this will be the case, but nothing's a guarantee at this point.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 2, 2013 4:21:27 GMT -5
After giving this a chance, I actually like it more than Same Love :o I'm fine with it being the second single now. Same Love needs to be third though. I hope this smashes and gives more momentum to Same Love, because I think it'll be controversial so it'll need it. It would be a historical song though if that managed to smash. Check! Now it's time for step 2! I really hope this goes top 5 now after all this momentum. Anything more would be icing on the cake.
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Post by Lozzy on Jun 2, 2013 4:48:43 GMT -5
I'm not aware of anyone who has expressed dislike for Macklemore's first two singles for political reasons. They contain no political or social messages other than "spending excessively on fashion might not be the wisest choice" and "independent artists are cool". So far he hasn't alienated anyone except for those who have a preconceived idea of what hip hop should be (and who are generally more liberal than conservative). A song which goes far, far beyond "Born This Way" in terms of its gay rights activism will be perceived by many as an complete left turn, and I think it's perfectly reasonable to worry about how the mainstream audience who knows nothing of Macklemore beyond his lighthearted party raps will respond to this. My guess is that it will soon begin flying up the charts once more people start taking notice, but then it'll stall in the high reaches of the top 10 due to persistent complaints from a small minority of listeners. To my understanding, these listeners exist in all markets, even San Francisco. I don't think many stations will go so far as to blacklist the song, which would be too obviously homophobic, but that doesn't mean they have to come out in full-throated support of it. It's hard to think of a reason why any station, when given a choice between playing an inherently/intentionally divisive song or the newest Maroon 5 single, will not opt for the latter nine times out of ten. Agreed.
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Post by Az Paynter on Jun 2, 2013 5:58:31 GMT -5
POP: 48 45 MACKLEMORE & RYAN LEWIS Same Love f/Mary Lambert 669 478 191 5.487
+40 Spins +42 Bullet +0.181 Audience
ALTERNATIVE: 22 22 MACKLEMORE & RYAN LEWIS Same Love f/Mary Lambert 402 387 15 2.538
+13 Spins +23 Bullet +0.066 Audience
RHYTHMIC: 39 31 MACKLEMORE & RYAN LEWIS Same Love f/Mary Lambert 1038 617 421 7.509
+83 Spins +36 Bullet +0.451 Audience
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Post by jjose712 on Jun 2, 2013 7:03:14 GMT -5
i'm not worried (yet) the song is doing well, but even the general consensus is that pop radio is gay friendly, that doesn't seem the case in the USA where radio seems pretty conservative. Can be totally causal, but the fact that in the last ten years i can only think on three top 40 songs sang by openly gay singers. Rythmic and Urban had a lot warmer reaction to Frank Ocean's thinking about you than pop (of course the song is not exactly the most radio friendly song ever, but there was a lot of good buzz about it and it was barely top 50 on pop)
Of course Same love has two advantages, it comes after two smashes, and Macklemore is straight
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Post by tommymonster44 on Jun 2, 2013 9:09:32 GMT -5
Your very worried about right-winged conservatives supporting this song, but I don't understand why they should even be considered. I'm pretty sure that the success of Thrift Shop and Can't Hold Us can't be attributed to the overwhelming support of conservatives. Macklemore has already alienated these people. Same Love doesn't need the help of Houston or an old farmhouse in Kansas to become a hit. It'll need stations in huge urban areas such as DC, LA, NYC, Chicago, San Francisco, etc. Sure, support from Southern powerhouses like Dallas, San Antonio, and Salt Lake City would help. But these areas don't need to support the song for it to be successful. There are plenty of liberal cities out there that can be attributed to the success of his first two singles. If anything, I'd be worried about the fact that this song has no flow and is lacking his infectious hooks. I'm not aware of anyone who has expressed dislike for Macklemore's first two singles for political reasons. They contain no political or social messages other than "spending excessively on fashion might not be the wisest choice" and "independent artists are cool". So far he hasn't alienated anyone except for those who have a preconceived idea of what hip hop should be (and who are generally more liberal than conservative). A song which goes far, far beyond "Born This Way" in terms of its gay rights activism will be perceived by many as an complete left turn, and I think it's perfectly reasonable to worry about how the mainstream audience who knows nothing of Macklemore beyond his lighthearted party raps will respond to this. My guess is that it will soon begin flying up the charts once more people start taking notice, but then it'll stall in the high reaches of the top 10 due to persistent complaints from a small minority of listeners. To my understanding, these listeners exist in all markets, even San Francisco. I don't think many stations will go so far as to blacklist the song, which would be too obviously homophobic, but that doesn't mean they have to come out in full-throated support of it. It's hard to think of a reason why any station, when given a choice between playing an inherently/intentionally divisive song or the newest Maroon 5 single, will not opt for the latter nine times out of ten. Unless... Unless the positive reaction to the song is so strong that it outweighs any worries about conservative reaction. Maybe the backlash against it will generate a backlash of its own, like the people who supported Cheerios after the negative reactions to its ad featuring an interracial couple. Maybe it will become a Generation Y rallying cry of sorts, something CHR stations will have to play often if they want to maintain their youth identity and credibility. I'm hoping this will be the case, but nothing's a guarantee at this point. Yes, there has been no political issues with the first two singles, but that's hardly the point. The more important question is who is Macklemore's music targeted too? Even if right-winged conservatives didn't have a problem with his first two singles, I highly doubt that they were jamming out to Thrift Shop in their car. No, his success so far can already be attributed to a slightly more liberal fan base who doesn't have a problem with a song about gay rights. We are in the Chr/Pop forum, and I don't know many conservatives who endorse top 40 radio. These people listen to country, HAC, rock, 80's, Catholic radio, etc. A gay rights songs trying to gain on pop radio isn't going to phase them because they don't listen to pop in the first place. In the same sense, lacking support from conservatives isn't going to hurt Macklemore's sales because the conservatives haven't been buying Macklemore's singles anyways. I go back to my previous statement that if this stalls on Chr/Pop, while the gay rights issue should definitely be attributed to this because it is a sensitive issue, it should also be considered that this song isn't nearly has catchy as his last two hits.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 2, 2013 9:15:47 GMT -5
lol @ conservatives not listening to pop www.publicpolicypolling.com/pdf/2011/PPP_Release_Music_050913.pdfPop Favorability Democrat Republican Independent/Other Favorable 59% 64% 61% 50% Unfavorable 26% 22% 26% 32% Not sure 15% 14% 14% 18% Republicans and Democrats have very similar numbers in their opinions on pop music. I don't even know why it'd be expected for them not to.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 2, 2013 9:18:31 GMT -5
SO EXCITED! Im here for the song and updates, not the political bs. :)
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Post by Devil Marlena Nylund on Jun 2, 2013 9:19:07 GMT -5
Right-wing areas can still have an impact on how well a song does though. I'm not saying it WILL happen but certain areas might be hesitant on account of the political landscape of the area, even if the target audience aren't right-wing, that doesn't mean enough right-wingers who are anti-gay marriage don't listen to it. Even a small percentage who kick up a fuss can be enough to get results if it has the potential to influence advertising dollars. Madonna's music isn't targeted at Christian audiences but they still get riled up every few years with whatever she does.
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