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Post by K. on May 23, 2013 7:20:03 GMT -5
There's not so much time left, but don't know what to do yet. Should I vote for Drag? Not like Cynthia's thoughts must be totally spot on. I'm not in that mood to make decisions so I'll leave my vote on Nightfire. I'm starting to doubt there is any chance he's scum, but won't switch my vote for Drag. I can not give a right reason unlike the RVS votes yesterday and the day before when I didn't even need to do that. Not bye, I'm here for the whole day, tomorrow also. Tuesday will be messy, on Wednesday I'll go to Austria for two weeks. I'll try to find wifi that day. Just wanted to highlight this post of Rocky's again, with the new info that Nightfire is Town. Kurt and Countryrocks seemed to be the first to jump on Nightfire for his change in vote. Kurt obviously was Town. Countryrocks uncertain. Slizzard then chimed in: (ellipses mean I have edited out part of the posts - you can double check to make sure I am not being misleading about it if you don't trust me) ugh countryrocks, 15 seconds too late! Part of me is actually hoping Drag is town now because I know I'll be so mad if we were that close to lynching Drag-scum AGAIN, lol. . . . (2) I'm also side-eying Nightfire for changing to Kurt at the last minute. On one hand I do believe that he might have been debating between the two of them for some time, but it does seem a little fishy that he suddenly changed to Kurt after feeling Drag was a strong target, and what Kurt stated in this post is also something worth keeping in mind: Nightfire's vote is attempting to do this in favor of Drag, and he set that up with an initial post ten hours ago that could have been planned as a fail-safe in case Drag approached the deadline with a majority vote. If Drag is lynched tonight and flips scum, FoS: Nightfire for Day 2. . . . These are in no particular order, and all quite weak. (1) Nightfire - see part 2 of my Q1 response. (2) Those who insisted Kurt suspicion based on The L-2 Flop - see part 1 of my Q1 response. (3) Rocky, as confirmed-town-Juanito voted for him. This is VERY minor, as (a) I don't really find Rocky suspicious by my own readings and (b) as I said earlier in this post I think Juanito was still learning at that point; it's just something I'm keeping in mind. That's all. . . . Cynthia/I was next. oh, a quick correction, as I looked back to page 11 where Nightfire's vote for Drag happened - at the time he had his vote on Slizzard. Posting these three posts for context. I still find Kurt and Slizzard to be the ones that have me the must suspicious, especially considering Kurt's comment of "what can I answer to convince you I'm town and made a stupid move (er, or two, really)?" Which kind of leads me to believe he would do anything to get us to not vote for him. Since he currently has the most votes, though, and the person with the most votes gets killed anyway, I'm going to leave my vote on Slizzard at the moment. I think that one of those two would help bring the most information. If Slizzard is mafia, it is likely that Codex is not mafia, and if Kurt is Mafia, then it's quite possible that Rocky is as well (them being on both lynch trains together, never interacting with one another to my knowledge - good strategy to keep distance, etc.) Not sure where the Drag lynch mob is coming from because I probably missed it, but at this time, I don't find him to be that high on my scum radar, but he's not giving me total town vibes either. @nightfire Drag is kind of playing similarly to how he did last game (agreeing with other people's stated thoughts rather than putting forth his own) but we don't know if that makes him scum or if that's just him falling back on bad game-playing habits. He also was part of the Codex bandwagon so I think that was the first thing that put him under people's suspicions. Also, his vote is currently on Sean for Sean's inactivity, and Slizzard (I think) pointed out that this is not a 'real' suspicion. Drag had a very good explanation for that at first; He wasn't voting for Sean just b/c Sean is quiet, but because gameplay has picked up enough that Sean's quietness stood out, and that he felt Sean may be purposely trying to fly under the radar while we focus on certain other players..I believe he contrasted this with countryrocks, who also hadn't posted much but what he has posted contains a definitive stance on something. With all that being said, immediately after Drag's explanation Sean posted a very long, thorough post. So that pretty much refutes Drag's biggest reason for voting for him, and Drag leaving his vote on Sean does look more suspect now. This just made me realize that Az still has his vote on Sean too, I'll have to look back and see what Az' initial reason for it was. Makes sense, Cynthia. I feel comfortable enough to Vote: Drag now because that does make for a convincing argument. - This changed it so that Kurt and Drag both had four votes each, but Kurt had reached those four votes first. - But THEN Codex voted for Drag, moving him up to five. - Drag then changed his vote to Kurt, tying them both at five - Nightfire then stated he was thinking of changing his vote back to Kurt because he had a hunch (last post on page 11) - page 12 - Heartbreak changed his vote from Nick to Drag, making it 6 for Drag and 5 for Kurt - Nightfire changed his vote from Drag to Kurt, reversing their respective vote totals - countryrocks was going to change his vote but was too late Josh and Nick then also chimed in: Sorry guys. Haven't had too much time to sit and read the thread, but I think the best targets are Drag and Nightfire. Drag's playing basically the same as last time when he was a werewolf, and he was part of the Codexmob. Nightfire's switch from Drag to Kurt is extremely suspicious. It was basically a random, last-second hammer. If Drag ends up being scum, I think Nightfire will as well. Countryrocks is slightly suspicious for being 15 seconds late, but not nearly as much as the other two. They may be 3 members of the scum team. So I choose Drag, with Nightfire as a close second. . . . Q3: Who is your biggest suspicion at the moment, and why?Well honestly the whole Nightfire switching his vote at the last second (not literally, but still) was shady as f**k. It also sheds even further bad light on Drag. And then Countryrocks being just a little past deadline... Could be a legit mistake, or a carefully planned event. Just like Krhazy supposedly coming back last game to hammer Kurt but then never actually doing it; this just seems like it could be a similar situation. . . . Az has taken the contrarian view on Nightfire and Countryrocks. Which could make him Town. Or it could make him scum who is taking the contrarian position to distance himself from the actions of the others in his faction. I am not sure where Codex and Sean stood on all of this initially. Who else am I missing?
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Post by nick64 on May 23, 2013 7:31:34 GMT -5
Posting to avoid prod. Havent had time to read through
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Post by Rocky on May 23, 2013 7:54:42 GMT -5
Wanted to post after my last prod, don't want to get another one. Have to help my aunt find a job here so my week was messy. So it was not Nightfire lol. I knew he was town!!!
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Post by LBTrocks on May 23, 2013 9:29:16 GMT -5
I probably won't be on until late tonight or tomorrow, so if I get shot before I return, just know that I'll be back and will be aiming a bullet at one of you.
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Post by Deleted on May 23, 2013 9:33:35 GMT -5
Ok can there be like a rule against posting to avoid prods? What's the point of prods then? nothing.
Rocky & Nick are useless townies/mafia in my eyes so I vote for one of them. I guess Rocky for the quote Krhazy brought up.
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Post by Rocky on May 23, 2013 9:56:32 GMT -5
Could you Codex or someone else write a short post of what we ARE SURE? I did read everything, but it's easy to get past the important happenings. I don't understand you Codex. I may be useless now but that doesn't make me scum. I could be, but so can be Nick, Sean? or someone else. Kisses.
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Post by josh on May 23, 2013 10:25:38 GMT -5
Could you Codex or someone else write a short post of what we ARE SURE? I did read everything, but it's easy to get past the important happenings. I don't understand you Codex. I may be useless now but that doesn't make me scum. I could be, but so can be Nick, Sean? or someone else. Kisses. Well when multiple people don't post anything then there's nothing to go off to choose which of them is the most scummy. You literally have no defense and are asking other people to tell you what's happened. idgi.
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Post by Rocky on May 23, 2013 11:04:12 GMT -5
Well when multiple people don't post anything then there's nothing to go off to choose which of them is the most scummy. You literally have no defense and are asking other people to tell you what's happened. idgi. I got it now. Sorry, it was a lame questing, forgot how many prods we all got tomorrow or a day before. Yeah there is no defense and that's the most frustrating about this game. We should learn something I guess.
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Post by Deleted on May 23, 2013 11:11:02 GMT -5
#Mod: Less than 24 hours remain in this Day Phase. Also note that many of you have racked up a fair number of prods; with Day Phases already having been shortened, expect modkills to happen if the inactivity keeps up.
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Post by Lozzy on May 23, 2013 11:13:51 GMT -5
Ok can there be like a rule against posting to avoid prods? What's the point of prods then? nothing. To hopefully avoid being modkilled, as I'm sure y'all would rather a useless townie than a dead townie. @Mod: Would it help if I requested replacement? Probably not, but just asking.
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Post by Deleted on May 23, 2013 13:58:41 GMT -5
#Mod: Prod counts are added to the OP via asterisks by player names. Requests for replacements will not be honoured at this point unless you find someone to specifically replace yourself. Otherwise it's just forced-replacement with the one remaing/modkills~
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Post by Az Paynter on May 23, 2013 23:52:21 GMT -5
Is it 5 prods to modkill? I don't know the last time Rocky posted, but if it's 5 then he's gonna be modkilled soon. If he's Mafia then I imagine we'd still continue til the end of the Day phase or until Nightfire shoots someone, but if he's Town then IDK. Would Nightfire die as well for failing to shoot, or would he still be Gunbearer because there was a death?
I'm in no way saying go for the people with the most prods; that's not proof of scum that's just proof of inactivity. I do think we should keep Codex in mind based on previous actions, but maybe not as our top suspect because he HAS gotten snippy about attention being shifted to him. Either it's because he's Town and he's annoyed that his efforts to 'help' us are turning against him, or he's scum trying to appear as an annoyed Townie to divert our attention.
Where are Heartbreak and Sean? I'd like to hear something, ANYTHING from them. Also, Nick, it'd be nice if you could find some time to post a reflection or something.
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Post by Deleted on May 24, 2013 0:07:09 GMT -5
#Mod: Forced-replacements will be done before modkills.
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Post by K. on May 24, 2013 6:03:17 GMT -5
Would it help if Nightfire said like the top 3 people he is thinking about shooting, and then everybody gave their opinions on those three?
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Post by Deleted on May 24, 2013 6:04:19 GMT -5
Would it help if Nightfire said like the top 3 people he is thinking about shooting, and then everybody gave their opinions on those three? I think that would be best. I'm at a total loss.
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Post by Az Paynter on May 24, 2013 6:54:22 GMT -5
Is Nightfire even gonna be HERE in time to make the shot? Xiivi said 19 hours ago that we had less than 24 hours. I don't know how much longer we've got.
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Post by Deleted on May 24, 2013 6:57:00 GMT -5
Is Nightfire even gonna be HERE in time to make the shot? Xiivi said 19 hours ago that we had less than 24 hours. I don't know how much longer we've got. I'm here... I can still make the shot.
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Post by Deleted on May 24, 2013 7:25:20 GMT -5
I said I would post my top suspicions, so here they are. You guys weren't much help with coming up with your own stuff (except for Krhazy, so thanks haha). Countryrocks - Drag placed a really early vote on him, maybe trying to provide a link of "yeah, I'm not afraid to kill that person"
- Obviously, the whole deal where he voted for Drag after he was dead. This is really fishy to me.
- The only problem I have with shooting him is that he's actually been useful here.
Codex - Not only did Drag vote for him early, but he also actually defended him against Countryrocks. He said: "Codex ALWAYS is very polarizing day 1 (from what I noticed from both of the games that I played with him). Whether his intentions are good or bad in this case, it always gets posters talking" when Countryrocks was talking about Codex tricking Az and sending a PM to Slizzard.
- I'm thinking that while the PM may have been about something he really felt, I also think that it's possible that it's something that was said in the mafia quicktopic. I've been thinking that for a while, too. Slizzard saying it was a PM could very well be a cover up.
- He's laying low.
Az - Voted for Sean out of the blue, but that was RVS, so this point is weak other than to show that there could be a connection there depending on what one of them flips. HOWEVER, he did keep his RVS vote on him for a really long time.
- Az is probably the weakest suspicion I have at the moment, though.
- I think that if countryrocks is mafia, he could be mafia as well. I don't think he's on the same team as Codex, though. Not sure about that one since, like I said, the reasons for my suspicions are pretty flimsy on Az.
Sean - I just... I dunno, I feel like he's bad news. I really don't know why, but something is telling me that we shouldn't let him slip by.
- He went from listing me as his #2 scum suspicion after Drag to his #1 suspicion before Drag was killed, which I just found really... odd. The only reason people even thought I was scum was because I didn't vote for Drag, but he put me #1 on his suspicion list without even knowing if Drag was scum despite the evidence on me relying on what Drag flipped. I don't know, maybe I'm crazy, but I just think that's really fishy.
- Put his vote on one person only, and he kept it there the whole time: Kurt.
I think that if it turns out Codex is mafia, there's a good chance Slizzard is as well, which is why I'm leaning more towards shooting Codex than anyon else. Or Slizzard. Slizzard could have just been trying to throw Codex under the bus and get him modkilled, but who knows. Josh has also been acting weird by flying under the radar in regards to posting not much about actual suspicions, just stuff about people being inactive. I dunno if that means anything, though. Krhazy also has made some really good points about Rocky. Also, who did he replace? lol Aaaaand now I'm leaning towards shooting Sean because my gut is just telling me to do it. Okay, so that's my analysis that I was planning on posting when I made my shot, buuut nobody has said anything except for Krhazy, so I don't have anything to go off of there.
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Post by Az Paynter on May 24, 2013 7:26:04 GMT -5
Krhazy replaced Cynthia, I believe.
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Post by Deleted on May 24, 2013 7:28:24 GMT -5
Krhazy replaced Cynthia, I believe. ohhh yeah. Well, I don't think he's mafia.
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Post by Deleted on May 24, 2013 7:40:09 GMT -5
Codex Not only did Drag vote for him early, but he also actually defended him against Countryrocks. He said: "Codex ALWAYS is very polarizing day 1 (from what I noticed from both of the games that I played with him). Whether his intentions are good or bad in this case, it always gets posters talking" when Countryrocks was talking about Codex tricking Az and sending a PM to Slizzard. I'm thinking that while the PM may have been about something he really felt, I also think that it's possible that it's something that was said in the mafia quicktopic. I've been thinking that for a while, too. Slizzard saying it was a PM could very well be a cover up. He's laying low.
1. Drag defended me because he was thinking logically. I always do the same things on Day 1 and people still keep thinking that it's because I'm mafia. Also I voted for him from the beginning, I think that's pretty good proof that I'm a townie. Sure, I could have stabbed him in the back to prove my innocence but I mean we still have like 10 people left in the game, I'd think that would put me at least above half of them on the safe list. 2. Are you serious? You really think Slizzard would have confused a mafia quicktopic with a thread? PM's look the same as a thread, therefore it's easy to see how he would confuse it since he had multiple tabs open. There is NO way he would have confused a mafia quicktopic.
For that reason I don't see why we should kill Slizzard, so out of your targets I pick Sean.
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Post by K. on May 24, 2013 7:42:13 GMT -5
This isn't very helpful, but just want to say I think the suspicious against all four of those people make sense.
I agree that Sean is giving off kind of weird vibes. He doesn't really contribute unless forced to. And then when he does it's with these long posts that essentially name every single person in the game with noncommittal points about each. I feel like that's what I did last game, because I was afraid that if I named just a few people, it would become too obvious who my compatriots were if I were lynched. I guess that's not a very strong point, but it does make me suspicious.
I can't say anybody on the list gives me really strong Town vibes. For whatever reason, I've gotten strong Town vibes from a few posters in games past, but not so much in this game.
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Post by Deleted on May 24, 2013 7:48:01 GMT -5
@nightfire since i gotfor to quote
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Post by Deleted on May 24, 2013 8:22:11 GMT -5
Always go with logic over gut in this game. My gut told me to kill Chica over Drag last game.
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Post by Deleted on May 24, 2013 8:25:30 GMT -5
I would say the suspicions on your list make most since for Countryrocks. I don't find Az really suspicious, and I'm torn when it comes to Codex and Sean.
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Post by Lozzy on May 24, 2013 9:33:01 GMT -5
Wait really? Crap. Give me a moment to do some reading-
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Post by Sean on May 24, 2013 9:53:17 GMT -5
I said I would post my top suspicions, so here they are. You guys weren't much help with coming up with your own stuff (except for Krhazy, so thanks haha). Sean - I just... I dunno, I feel like he's bad news. I really don't know why, but something is telling me that we shouldn't let him slip by.
- He went from listing me as his #2 scum suspicion after Drag to his #1 suspicion before Drag was killed, which I just found really... odd. The only reason people even thought I was scum was because I didn't vote for Drag, but he put me #1 on his suspicion list without even knowing if Drag was scum despite the evidence on me relying on what Drag flipped. I don't know, maybe I'm crazy, but I just think that's really fishy.
- Put his vote on one person only, and he kept it there the whole time: Kurt.
Okay, here I am sorry about that. One my best friends' mom fell and broke her hip and she's been in the hospital all week for surgeries/recovery and I've spent a lot of time there. Ugh, this has not been my week. First of all, I feel like most of us have lost interest in this game. It might just be me, but the whole not voting is hard to do with. All the power lies in you Mitch, and I just feel like we're all waiting for you to post something just so we can post. It doesn't make sense, but that's what it looks like reading back these past couple of pages. I just find that the voting stage of the day can bring up more discussion. Idk, but I am learning a lot more in this game. Except for the past few real life days, I've realized that you seriously need to be on here at least once or twice a day before you get lost/behind in the game and those damn prods aren't helping! So sorry again! lol Okay, I'm going to rebuttal your points with my points and then if you want me to give my thoughts on the other three (Countryrocks, Codex, and Az) I will. I'm beyond sure (I'll go back and check) that I never made you my #1 person. (Okay, I see how it got confusing, in my second big post I had the #1 by your name, but I said in my first big post that the numbers didn't mean anything and they still didn't with that one. That is totally my fault! When I was going through names, I was just setting them in the areas I chose (town, middle, mafia) and the numbers just helped me. So I wasn't putting you above Drag. I had you both equally in that column. And if you read afterwards, I said I was torn between you two and didn't really want to choose, but I leaned more towards Drag still. And second, my vote on Kurt stayed that way because (as I listed many times) during the first day he was the only one I found most suspicious (with Drag a possibility too). We really had nothing going on for the first day, and it was crazy, but he seemed most scummish to me (which I later realized he wasn't) so I was clearly wrong. Idk, I hope that makes sense and I explain myself well on that lol! If you have questions, I'm here!
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Post by Deleted on May 24, 2013 10:04:55 GMT -5
Ugh, this is so hard.
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Post by Lozzy on May 24, 2013 10:06:00 GMT -5
Well reading up was completely useless and I still have no idea; yay! Out of Nightfire's listed suspicions, I suppose Sean is the best? I don't think the reasoning for any of the four is solid, but Sean seems the most likely one to me, partly because Sean was also listed by Kurt as one of his recommended suspicions for D4. But honestly I'm not convinced he's scum at all really; it's just that he seems marginally better than the other potential targets. idfk. Do what you want. - As for your suspicion of me @nightfire, why must we still focus on a minor flop from D1? I'm not going to bother to respond to anything relating to that because I've carefully explained it several times and it just seems like pointless dragging-out to me. If you want to shoot me (I don't think you do, but if you change your mind) I won't complain since at least it will get the stress of prods and the game in general off my back, but I really don't think you have anywhere near passable reasoning for me.
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