lookinghot
Gold Member
Dupe
Joined: September 2012
Posts: 870
|
Post by lookinghot on May 5, 2014 14:49:05 GMT -5
Okay we'll forward your ideas to her team, guys thank you for your effort. Makes sure she goes back to basics Fame-era Gaga, but also completely re-invents herself, but doesn't tone it down, but also isn't too weird and also gets the GP's interest again without doing anything to garner interest in herself because that's shameless and desperate, and also releases the DWUW video and goes back and releases Gypsy instead of this and re-records Only Wanna Be With You. Did I miss anything? Teach her some choreography and we're set! Where's the billboard article proclaiming Dope was allowed in the top ten, and why would they do that for lil ol gaga?
|
|
kmbgs
7x Platinum Member
Joined: October 2008
Posts: 7,242
|
Post by kmbgs on May 5, 2014 14:50:25 GMT -5
Yeah, but you act like she only had one hit album. TFM was basically a follow up - unless Cyndi also released an EP with three top 10 smashes (including one of the most iconic songs of the past decade) after her debut. I think a broadstrokes picture, like you paint, might be swallowed by some, but I think upon deeper investigation the numbers don't lie.
|
|
Deleted
Joined: January 1970
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on May 5, 2014 14:54:34 GMT -5
Yeah, but you act like she only had one hit album. TFM was basically a follow up - unless Cyndi also released an EP with three top 10 smashes (including one of the most iconic songs of the past decade) after her debut. I think a broadstrokes picture, like you paint, might be swallowed by some, but I think upon deeper investigation the numbers don't lie. you're right about one thing, the numbers do not lie.... have you looked lately?
|
|
|
Post by Devil Marlena Nylund on May 5, 2014 15:46:06 GMT -5
I don't think these 'critics' even know what they want. She needs to 'tone down' yet go back to her Fame days, when she was as antics-heavy as ever. Basically they want her to be boring or like Katy or something. If you aren't interested in the basics of what Gaga has ALWAYS been about, why do you care? I just don't get it.
|
|
|
Post by iggyazealiastan on May 5, 2014 15:52:45 GMT -5
I don't think these 'critics' even know what they want. She needs to 'tone down' yet go back to her Fame days, when she was as antics-heavy as ever. Basically they want her to be boring or like Katy or something. If you aren't interested in the basics of what Gaga has ALWAYS been about, why do you care? I just don't get it. No one wants her to be basic like Katy. Those of us who used to love Gaga want her to go back to making fun, relatable, clever dance pop without the self-importance and delusions of grandeur.
|
|
|
Post by Rocky on May 5, 2014 16:04:04 GMT -5
Lil baby, her 'self-importance' and 'delusion of grandeur' set her to create those 'fun, relatable, edgy dance pop' songs you used to love, but whatever.
|
|
|
Post by iggyazealiastan on May 5, 2014 16:04:39 GMT -5
Lil baby, her 'self-importance' and 'delusion of grandeur' set her to create those 'fun, relatable, edgy dance pop' songs you used to love, but whatever. Huh? Come again?
|
|
|
Post by Devil Marlena Nylund on May 5, 2014 16:31:46 GMT -5
The thing I'm missing here is that you're acting like you're an expert on the Gaga situation. And that's fine because most of us are too but how is your opinion and perspective and "information" any more valid than ours? Why is it that you believe that if Gaga were to give up being 'self-important' and serious all the time, she would suddenly be successful again? In case you missed the ongoing discussions that have been happening on here for the last 4 or 5 months (longer, really), there's a whole bunch of reasons given to try to explain why this era hasn't been as bountiful as her last ones. - She's too serious and thinks too much of her "art"
- People are tired of her antics
- Her outrageous clothing choices is annoying
- Her management team (or lack thereof in some cases)
- Her record label isn't supportive
- Her record label is sabotaging her to make her conform to their wishes
- The quality of her songs have gone down
- R. Kelly
- Her songs/videos/etc are too complicated (or try to be)
- She's pretentious
- She's gotten too predictable
- Her songs aren't in line with what's "in" right now
And so on. And these don't even take into account other external reasons such as the lack of success all divas are experiencing right now. Britney and Christina flopped with their last albums. Rihanna's last album did well enough but that was still over a year ago now. Beyonce can do no wrong but even she's struggling at radio. Gaga's lack of success right now might not even be related to her at all. I think the fact this discussion has been going on for months is enough of an indication that there isn't a single reason to explain why this album has performed as poorly as it has. It's very likely a combination of many of the above but either way, you aren't anymore right than the rest of us but somehow you think you can dictate what she needs to do to set everything right. If it was that easy, I'm sure it would be done. Clearly it's not and clearly that's why you're wasting your efforts on this board rather than working for her label. In other words, you're not right.
|
|
Kii
3x Platinum Member
Joined: September 2008
Posts: 3,174
|
Post by Kii on May 6, 2014 6:24:49 GMT -5
Whatever. Just waiting for her comeback ala the Paparazzi video tbh. Tired of the circular discussion.
|
|
Keelzit
Diamond Member
Joined: May 2008
Posts: 11,815
|
Post by Keelzit on May 6, 2014 9:06:18 GMT -5
I'm so tired of people claiming she's over. I agree that the next lead single will be very telling as to where her career stands but I'm sure she'll find a way to work everything out. She's still hungry for success and that's very promising at the very least.
|
|
HolidayGuy
Diamond Member
Joined: December 2003
Posts: 33,884
|
Post by HolidayGuy on May 6, 2014 9:10:44 GMT -5
Barring a big turnaround, I gather it's reached its peak.
POP 29 29 LADY GAGA G.U.Y. 1956 1961 -5 6.882
-29 Spins -61 Bullet -0.086 AI
|
|
|
Post by iggyazealiastan on May 6, 2014 9:23:17 GMT -5
I'm so tired of people claiming she's over. I agree that the next lead single will be very telling as to where her career stands but I'm sure she'll find a way to work everything out. She's still hungry for success and that's very promising at the very least. I don't think she's that hungry for success anymore, or else she wouldn't be doing everything in her power to sabotage her career. She's made her career entirely about gays and little monsters and alienated everyone else. The simple fact is that the GP is completely over her - it's very very difficult (but not impossible) to come back from that.
|
|
|
Post by Devil Marlena Nylund on May 6, 2014 10:39:45 GMT -5
It's not simple fact since Applause did as well as it did and Do What U Want was an airplay hit. The latter could be separated from typical Gaga-fare but Applause was straight-up Gaga. You're over her. The "general public" isn't over her. It's not fact. She doesn't cater to you since you aren't interested in what her style and method has been since day 1.
|
|
|
Post by Rocky on May 6, 2014 11:50:22 GMT -5
Also... It's nice to see any kind of discussion going on here, and alternative ideas / your opinion. I'm confiding and assuming you're a pop stan and not a troll account so I suggest you to learn to spell your faves stage name. That would be a better time spent. xoxo
|
|
|
Post by josh on May 6, 2014 11:56:49 GMT -5
Also... It's nice to see any kind of discussion going on here, and alternative ideas / your opinion. I'm confiding and assuming you're a pop stan and not a troll account so I suggest you to learn to spell your faves stage name. That would be a better time spent. xoxo omg i just noticed that
|
|
|
Post by iggyazealiastan on May 6, 2014 12:54:26 GMT -5
Also... It's nice to see any kind of discussion going on here, and alternative ideas / your opinion. I'm confiding and assuming you're a pop stan and not a troll account so I suggest you to learn to spell your faves stage name. That would be a better time spent. xoxo Or perhaps I'm a fan of both Iggy Azalea and Azealia Banks - hence the portmanteau user name. Probably sailed right over your head though.
|
|
|
Post by iggyazealiastan on May 6, 2014 12:55:39 GMT -5
Barring a big turnaround, I gather it's reached its peak. POP29 29 LADY GAGA G.U.Y. 1956 1961 -5 6.882 -29 Spins -61 Bullet -0.086 AI So this is now officially her biggest flop :( Where did MTN peak? #16?
|
|
|
Post by Rocky on May 6, 2014 13:00:29 GMT -5
Also... It's nice to see any kind of discussion going on here, and alternative ideas / your opinion. I'm confiding and assuming you're a pop stan and not a troll account so I suggest you to learn to spell your faves stage name. That would be a better time spent. xoxo Or perhaps I'm a fan of both Iggy Azalea and Azealia Banks - hence the portmanteau user name. Probably sailed right over your head though. Oops, pardon. I could have figure that out. Barring a big turnaround, I gather it's reached its peak. POP29 29 LADY GAGA G.U.Y. 1956 1961 -5 6.882 -29 Spins -61 Bullet -0.086 AI So this is now officially her biggest flop :( Where did MTN peak? #16? Yes it is, MTN peaked at #14, "Judas" at #15.
|
|
|
Post by iggyazealiastan on May 6, 2014 13:18:39 GMT -5
Despite what you may think from my abrasive comments, I genuinely like Gaga. I used to be an all-out stan from 2008-2010. I want to see her be successful and happy again, which is why this current spiral is so frustrating to watch.
|
|
|
Post by Devil Marlena Nylund on May 6, 2014 13:31:09 GMT -5
Despite what you may think from my abrasive comments, I genuinely like Gaga. I used to be an all-out stan from 2008-2010. I want to see her be successful and happy again, which is why this current spiral is so frustrating to watch. Implying that happiness can only come from traditional pop radio success? My issue with the comparison of Gaga to Cyndi Lauper is the implication that Cyndi was a failure from 1989 onward when I really don't see that as the case. I guess the problem that comes with all of the Madonna comparisons is that Madonna is *THE* definition of pop diva success so Gaga not matching that level is seen as a failure on her part. But Gaga has already had more success than most pop divas ever have. If she never had another pop hit for the rest of her career, it doesn't undo the success she's already achieved. Just because Alanis Morissette didn't have any major hits after Thank U in 1998, it doesn't undo the fact that Jagged Little Pill is one of the biggest album eras of all time. Success doesn't unravel because it trails off, whether it trails off quickly or over a longer period of time. As I've said before, if Gaga's career continues on a similar trajectory that Cyndi's has, it's not a bad thing at all. She's continue making music and continue touring and probably end up having more control over what she does and probably create more interesting music than if she has to maintain an impossible level of success. Personally, I don't think she'll ever see the level of popularity she saw with The Fame and The Fame Monster leading into the beginning of Born This Way. That was massive success. But just because she doesn't, doesn't mean she's a flop or on a downward spiral or unhappy or unworthy. If you aren't interested in the direction she has taken her music and career in, that's fine. But not everyone feels that way and I think she's more than earned the right to evolve her career the way she wants.
|
|
August
3x Platinum Member
Joined: March 2008
Posts: 3,294
|
Post by August on May 6, 2014 13:42:04 GMT -5
Ok, I think that if we took a business approach and created the Powerpoint chart that charted the data on Cyndi Lauper's Hot 100 performance and Lady Gaga's Hot 100 performance..the trend line would be similar. Of course there would be a couple of outliers, but the overall trend would be similar.
Folks need to stop being so literal..its an overall comparison between Gaga and Cyndi at similar points in their career. The exact chart positions are not going to be identical to each other, but the general trend of "Starting Huge" and "Trailing Off" by their 3rd album is very similar. Also including the facts that they had a similar quirkiness and reaction from the public when they came on the scene as compared to the traditional pop ladies.
I don't think Gaga is done..finished...kaput...bargain bin ready...but thus far, the trends are similar.
|
|
|
Post by iggyazealiastan on May 6, 2014 13:45:56 GMT -5
Despite what you may think from my abrasive comments, I genuinely like Gaga. I used to be an all-out stan from 2008-2010. I want to see her be successful and happy again, which is why this current spiral is so frustrating to watch. Implying that happiness can only come from traditional pop radio success? My issue with the comparison of Gaga to Cyndi Lauper is the implication that Cyndi was a failure from 1989 onward when I really don't see that as the case. I guess the problem that comes with all of the Madonna comparisons is that Madonna is *THE* definition of pop diva success so Gaga not matching that level is seen as a failure on her part. But Gaga has already had more success than most pop divas ever have. If she never had another pop hit for the rest of her career, it doesn't undo the success she's already achieved. Just because Alanis Morissette didn't have any major hits after Thank U in 1998, it doesn't undo the fact that Jagged Little Pill is one of the biggest album eras of all time. Success doesn't unravel because it trails off, whether it trails off quickly or over a longer period of time. As I've said before, if Gaga's career continues on a similar trajectory that Cyndi's has, it's not a bad thing at all. She's continue making music and continue touring and probably end up having more control over what she does and probably create more interesting music than if she has to maintain an impossible level of success. Personally, I don't think she'll ever see the level of popularity she saw with The Fame and The Fame Monster leading into the beginning of Born This Way. That was massive success. But just because she doesn't, doesn't mean she's a flop or on a downward spiral or unhappy or unworthy. If you aren't interested in the direction she has taken her music and career in, that's fine. But not everyone feels that way and I think she's more than earned the right to evolve her career the way she wants. Agreed on most of this. Though it is quite clear that commercial success is still very important to her (I can provide receipts if needed). She admitted herself that she was in a very low place from October - December when ARTPOP was flopping. I don't believe Gaga is okay being just another average middle tier pop girl. Three years ago she was the biggest pop star in the world and I think she still sees herself that way.
|
|
|
Post by Devil Marlena Nylund on May 6, 2014 13:46:36 GMT -5
I don't even think Cyndi is done at this point either, tbh
|
|
|
Post by iggyazealiastan on May 6, 2014 13:48:06 GMT -5
I don't even think Cyndi is done at this point either, tbh Lol girl
|
|
|
Post by Devil Marlena Nylund on May 6, 2014 13:55:35 GMT -5
She admitted herself that she was in a very low place from October - December when ARTPOP was flopping. You say that as if she was in a low place BECAUSE Artpop was flopping. Hasn't she said she was in a low place because of the breakdown of her professional relationships with her manager and label and stuff? I don't think she's that hungry for success anymore Though it is quite clear that commercial success is still very important to her (I can provide receipts if needed). Which one is it???? I don't even think Cyndi is done at this point either, tbh Lol girl I guess if your definition of success and a career is pop radio, then sure. But she just published an autobiography and contributed music and lyrics to a Broadway musical. Her last album was released 3 or 4 years ago and I think she got a few club hits out of it. Obviously it's a drop in the bucket compared to her glory days of the 80s but she's continuing to do well for herself beyond pop radio success.
|
|
|
Post by iggyazealiastan on May 6, 2014 13:58:33 GMT -5
She admitted herself that she was in a very low place from October - December when ARTPOP was flopping. You say that as if she was in a low place BECAUSE Artpop was flopping. Hasn't she said she was in a low place because of the breakdown of her professional relationships with her manager and label and stuff? I don't think she's that hungry for success anymore Though it is quite clear that commercial success is still very important to her (I can provide receipts if needed). Which one is it???? Lol girl I guess if your definition of success and a career is pop radio, then sure. But she just published an autobiography and contributed music and lyrics to a Broadway musical. Her last album was released 3 or 4 years ago and I think she got a few club hits out of it. Obviously it's a drop in the bucket compared to her glory days of the 80s but she's continuing to do well for herself beyond pop radio success. Lol girl this is a pop radio forum. Everyone has a book deal nowadays Though I will say I'm really excited to see her open for Cher this weekend
|
|
August
3x Platinum Member
Joined: March 2008
Posts: 3,294
|
Post by August on May 6, 2014 14:12:35 GMT -5
(I am going to the Cyndi / Cher concert this weekend as well, Saturday night!
|
|
|
Post by Devil Marlena Nylund on May 6, 2014 14:14:00 GMT -5
Lol girl this is a pop radio forum. And yet you speak in such absolute overall terms. Now does Gaga care about success or doesn't she?
|
|
Deleted
Joined: January 1970
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on May 6, 2014 15:58:13 GMT -5
lady Gaga wants to rule the world but it has slipped from her reach for the simple reason that her image is not mainstream and the population at large is just not into it.
|
|
|
Post by Devil Marlena Nylund on May 6, 2014 18:01:50 GMT -5
*sigh*
We'll add that to the list of "simple reasons", neither single one the explanation.
|
|