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Post by Jack on Dec 13, 2013 14:44:34 GMT -5
So Beyonce will slide everything in the top 15 down a notch? So now Britney is going to be at seventy FOUR? Hpmh.
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Post by ListenToItTwice on Dec 13, 2013 14:51:08 GMT -5
Top 15 with YTD Sales:
1. Garth Brooks (Pearl) 475-485k 2. Kelly Clarkson (RCA) 572-582k 3. One Direction (Syco/Columbia) 774-784k 4. The Robertsons (EMI Nashville) 578-588k 5. R. Kelly (RCA) 100-110k 6. Childish Gambino (Glassnote) 90-95k 7. Eminem (Shady/Aftermath/Interscope) 1406-1411k 8. Katy Perry (Capitol) 766-771k 9. Mary J. Blige (Verve) 182-187k 10. Susan Boyle (Syco/Columbia) ???? 11. Frozen (Walt Disney) 145-150k 12. Luke Bryan (Capitol Nashville) 1,397-1,402k 13. Now 48 (UMe) 336-341k 14. Michael Buble (Reprise) ????? 15. Florida Georgia Line (Republic Nashville) 1,236-1,241k
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Post by anafan on Dec 13, 2013 14:55:23 GMT -5
I'm glad Beyonce will have another #1 album. :)
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Post by Mack on Dec 13, 2013 15:12:19 GMT -5
Definitely not a good week for Britney fans lol. Not a good week for Britney fans? Shit, it hasn't been a good 7 years for Britney fans. I'm so jealous of Beyoncé fans right now. I almost wish I stanned for her instead. :'(
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Post by ListenToItTwice on Dec 13, 2013 15:44:29 GMT -5
I'm glad Beyonce will have another #1 album. :) Her first five studio albums will have all debuted at #1, tying a record set by DMX. Will the record count, though, considering that she had already recorded four albums with Destiny's Child before her solo debut?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 13, 2013 15:45:50 GMT -5
Records can "count" in whatever way you want to look at it
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Post by Dalliance on Dec 13, 2013 15:52:16 GMT -5
I have to say I'm really liking this new, IDGAF attitude Beyonce is having toward her success. Randomly releasing an album without promo is big gamble; doing so in the middle of the week when your chances of continuing your streak of number 1 albums is lessened is pretty big too.
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Post by HolidayGuy on Dec 13, 2013 16:29:40 GMT -5
^And it it may end up at No. 1 regardless, and with an impressive tally for a)digital-only and b) only being available for three days.
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Post by jenglisbe on Dec 13, 2013 17:47:43 GMT -5
I have to say I'm really liking this new, IDGAF attitude Beyonce is having toward her success. Randomly releasing an album without promo is big gamble; doing so in the middle of the week when your chances of continuing your streak of number 1 albums is lessened is pretty big too. It wasn't a gamble; it was a promotional strategy, and it seems to have paid off. It was also a fail-safe because if the album hadn't sold well, there was a ready-made excuse. In other words, it was a win-win strategy. Of course, what remains to be seen is if this affects its long-term sales prospects. The album being well-received should help that.
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Post by brucelover on Dec 13, 2013 17:57:50 GMT -5
How come Eminem is selling so low compared to Recovery? I recall him being at #1 for a long time and selling 100k+ for many weeks in a row last time around.
And now he has an equally huge hit, a more acclaimed album and the holidays.
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Post by jenglisbe on Dec 13, 2013 18:07:16 GMT -5
How come Eminem is selling so low compared to Recovery? I recall him being at #1 for a long time and selling 100k+ for many weeks in a row last time around. And now he has an equally huge hit, a more acclaimed album and the holidays. No one is selling 100k or more for many weeks.
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Post by Linnethia Monique on Dec 13, 2013 20:08:13 GMT -5
How come Eminem is selling so low compared to Recovery? I recall him being at #1 for a long time and selling 100k+ for many weeks in a row last time around. And now he has an equally huge hit, a more acclaimed album and the holidays. Recovery started out the gate with a #1 hit single followed by an even bigger #1 hit. That album was filled with hits. Plus it was a kind of return to form after Relapse.
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Post by brucelover on Dec 13, 2013 20:21:38 GMT -5
But his first week sales were higher this time around, it doesn't make sense that he's selling less now. Will he even go 3x Platinum?
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Post by ILLUSION on Dec 13, 2013 20:24:21 GMT -5
Nice numbers for Kelly!
How is KP selling so well with Unconditionally flopping? Am I missing something?
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Post by forg on Dec 13, 2013 20:51:11 GMT -5
Impressed with Beyonce's marketing strategy with this one, a game-changer, just what the pop music chart fans need
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Post by slicknickshady on Dec 13, 2013 20:52:29 GMT -5
But his first week sales were higher this time around, it doesn't make sense that he's selling less now. Will he even go 3x Platinum? Yes, it will. Not by much tho. I do think he will stay consistent for a long time tho with this albums. Between 50k-80k for a long time.
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Post by Adonis the DemiGod! on Dec 13, 2013 21:51:49 GMT -5
Im in love with Beys album! Im impressed. Thoroughly impressed!
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Post by Adonis the DemiGod! on Dec 13, 2013 21:57:28 GMT -5
Nice numbers for Kelly! How is KP selling so well with Unconditionally flopping? Am I missing something? Seen Dark Horse skyrocket on iTunes with minuscule airplay?
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Post by jenglisbe on Dec 13, 2013 22:20:27 GMT -5
Impressed with Beyonce's marketing strategy with this one, a game-changer, just what the pop music chart fans need I don't get this "game changer" thing I keep seeing. I'm also seeing "influential" a lot. How can we tell anything yet about whether this has an influence or changes the game? It reminds me of when people said that stuff about Radiohead and how they released In Rainbows. That didn't end up changing much of anything.
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Post by 🅳🅸🆂🅲🅾 on Dec 13, 2013 22:32:48 GMT -5
Impressed with Beyonce's marketing strategy with this one, a game-changer, just what the pop music chart fans need I don't get this "game changer" thing I keep seeing. I'm also seeing "influential" a lot. How can we tell anything yet about whether this has an influence or changes the game? It reminds me of when people said that stuff about Radiohead and how they released In Rainbows. That didn't end up changing much of anything. It's different in that most artists have not released an album and all of the music videos at the same time with no previous announcements hyping it up in advance and no singles before it were sent to radio. It was just put up on iTunes and announced. Time will tell if this is a viable option for other artists in the future, but it definitely shakes things up.
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Post by ZAYN on Dec 13, 2013 22:39:18 GMT -5
I'm no Beyonce fan or hater, but I gotta respect and be thrilled by this interesting curve-ball. I'm rooting for her with this one. What a fun variable for chart watchers!
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Post by jenglisbe on Dec 13, 2013 22:46:56 GMT -5
I don't get this "game changer" thing I keep seeing. I'm also seeing "influential" a lot. How can we tell anything yet about whether this has an influence or changes the game? It reminds me of when people said that stuff about Radiohead and how they released In Rainbows. That didn't end up changing much of anything. It's different in that most artists have not released an album and all of the music videos at the same time with no previous announcements hyping it up in advance and no singles before it were sent to radio. It was just put up on iTunes and announced. Time will tell if this is a viable option for other artists in the future, but it definitely shakes things up. I never denied that it was different. But that doesn't mean it will be influential. Like I said, Radiohead did something different when they released their album on the Internet and let fans dictate the price. It didn't end up leading to any real change and didn't start a new trend, though. I am not saying this Beyonce release won't change things; I am just saying it's too early to tell.
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Post by HolidayGuy on Dec 13, 2013 23:06:36 GMT -5
How is Queen B. No. 1 on the Building chart (Monday-Thursday), when it was released outside of that four-day window? www.billboard.com/articles/columns/chart-beat/5839720/beyonce-trending-toward-no-1-childish-gambino-top-10-onBeyonce Trending Toward No. 1, Childish Gambino Top 10 On Billboard 200By Keith Caulfield, L.A. | December 13, 2013 The singer's surprise new album should top the Billboard 200, with R. Kelly and Childish Gambino adding top 10 debuts. As previously reported, Beyonce's self-titled fifth solo studio set is likely headed towards a No. 1 debut on the Billboard 200 when the chart's top 10 is revealed next Wednesday, Dec. 18. The release has suddenly thrown off what was expected to be a second week at No. 1 for Garth Brooks recently-released box set, as Beyonce stealthily released her album last night. Beyonce's iTunes-exclusive "visual" album, retailing for $15.99, contains 14 tracks, not available for a la carte purchases until Dec. 20, and 14 accompanying videos, along with other bonus video content. (As of this morning, no set date has been announced for the CD release to physical retailers or of its availability on other digital download sites.) Still, other action should infuse next week's Billboard 200, with Brooks' "Blame It All on My Roots: Five Decades of Influences" likely dipping to No. 2 after a week at the summit. Also as previously reported, R. Kelly is set to collect his 15th top 10 album on the Billboard 200 next week. His "Black Panties" is on course to sell around 100,000 copies by the end of the tracking week on Sunday, Dec. 15, so say industry forecasters. Meanwhile, Childish Gambino could possibly tally his first top Billboard 200 10. The actor/comedian/hip-hop artist's second album, "Because the Internet," might sell around 80,000 to 90,000 copies by the end of the tracking week. That sales sum might be enough to secure him his first top 10. He just missed the region with his debut set, 2011's "Camp." It debuted and peaked at No. 11, bowing with 52,000 in its first week (according to Nielsen SoundScan). On SoundScan's Building chart, Beyonce's set ranks at No. 1, followed by efforts from Brooks (No. 2), R. Kelly (No. 3) Childish Gambino (No. 4) and Kelly Clarkson's six-week-old holiday release "Wrapped in Red" (No. 5). Rounding out the top 10 are titles by One Direction (No. 6), the Robertsons, of A&E's TV series "Duck Dynasty" (No. 7), Eminem (No. 8), Mary J. Blige (No. 9) and Katy Perry (No. 10). The Building tally is a precursor to the final Billboard 200 ranking -- reflecting the first four days (Monday through Thursday) of SoundScan's tracking week as reported by six major merchants. Nielsen SoundScan Building Chart Rank LW BB 200 Artist Title 1 NEW Beyonce "Beyonce" 2 1 Garth Brooks "Blame It On All My Roots" 3 NEW R. Kelly "Black Panties" 4 NEW Childish Gambino "Because The Internet" 5 3 Kelly Clarkson "Wrapped In Red" 6 2 One Direction "Midnight Memories" 7 5 The Robertsons "Duck the Halls: A Robertson Family Christmas" 8 6 Eminem "The Marshall Mathers LP 2" 9 10 Mary J. Blige "A Mary Christmas" 10 9 Katy Perry "PRISM" The Building Chart reflects the first four days (Monday through Thursday) of SoundScan's tracking week (which ends Sunday) as reported by six major merchants: iTunes, Trans World Entertainment, Best Buy, Starbucks, Target and Anderson Merchandisers. Billboard estimates that they make up about 85% of all U.S. album sales.
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Post by jenglisbe on Dec 13, 2013 23:19:21 GMT -5
Wait, Beyonce's album wasn't released on Thursday was it? It was released first thing Friday morning.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 13, 2013 23:30:33 GMT -5
Depends on your time zone
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Post by Love Plastic Love on Dec 13, 2013 23:37:20 GMT -5
How is KP selling so well with Unconditionally flopping? Am I missing something? It might be a flop for Katy, but radio is so in love with her they still flew it top 10 in overall airplay with tons of airplay every week and still play Roar and are currently flying Dark Horse up the charts. So she has three singles going at once with heavy, heavy promo. I would be really concerned if she WASN'T selling like she is.
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Post by jenglisbe on Dec 13, 2013 23:47:47 GMT -5
Depends on your time zone So it's #1 for Monday-Thursday based on 3 hours of PST, 2 hours of mountain time, and 1 hour of central? Wow.
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Post by Devil Marlena Nylund on Dec 14, 2013 0:14:43 GMT -5
It's a game changer because it completely changes the boundaries and limits of what's considered to be the standard of new releases. While Beyonce may not be the first to completely release a new album out of the blue like this, she may just be the biggest and the first in pop, which is big because pop music is so HEAVILY based in promo and marketing and hype. Beyoncé's hype has been building for some time based on her doing absolutely nothing. She turned anticipation into retroactive hype. These months of speculation and waiting were building into something and nobody knew it. It was the complete lack of anything that has resulted in a whole lot of everything, the complete opposite of everything everyone else has been doing.
The two or three months leading up to a standard high-profile pop release date is the most important for that particular era. Beyonce has shattered that by skipping it and taking all of that traditional hype and compacting that into mere hours. That's massive. Very few could have gotten away with doing that. Rihanna couldn't. I don't think Gaga could have had she released ARTPOP in this style. I do think JT could have had 20/20 part 1 come out completely out of the blue like this. It takes a very specific type of anticipation and desire in a pop star. Beyonce has the perfect blend of style to have been able to pull this off and so far, it has been deemed successful.
Today's album release has rewritten the rules of pop music promotion, hype and how to unveil an album. I doubt it will become the norm in any way because as I said before, very few could pull this off. What it will very likely do is make other pop stars rethink their strategies. More and more we're having big-named artists put out albums in non-traditional ways. This strategy is going to force others to rethink how they will unveil their eras.
It's all about creativity. Creativity and talent goes beyond the songwriting and recording studio. I've said it before with Gaga's Born This Way era. Creativity goes into the marketing and the promo and the actual methods in which an album is released. I'm saying all of this and I haven't even heard a single lick of anything from this album yet I'm already blown away by it.
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Post by jenglisbe on Dec 14, 2013 0:19:50 GMT -5
It's a game changer because it completely changes the boundaries and limits of what's considered to be the standard of new releases. While Beyonce may not be the first to completely release a new album out of the blue like this, she may just be the biggest and the first in pop, which is big because pop music is so HEAVILY based in promo and marketing and hype. Beyoncé's hype has been building for some time based on her doing absolutely nothing. She turned anticipation into retroactive hype. These months of speculation and waiting were building into something and nobody knew it. It was the complete lack of anything that has resulted in a whole lot of everything, the complete opposite of everything everyone else has been doing. But we don't know if it will actually change anything. This type of release may not be done again, and thus it won't have changed anything. But if by your own admission most other artists couldn't get away with it and it won't become the norm, then it hasn't necessarily changed anything for anyone except Beyonce. I am not trying to discredit Beyonce and her team here. It was an inventive strategy and it seems to have worked, at least for the first few days. But that doesn't inherently mean it has changed the business. As I've said before, Radiohead also got innovative with their release of In Rainbows, but it didn't ultimately change releases or pricing long-term. Jay-Z had an inventive release strategy for Magna Carta, but we have't yet seen that have any sort of long-term effect. In general artists are looking for new ways to release music, but that was true before this Beyonce release.
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Post by Devil Marlena Nylund on Dec 14, 2013 0:27:47 GMT -5
But the boundaries have been pushed. The line has been erased. Even with Kanye and Jay-Z's releases this year, there was still promotion and expectation, even if there weren't singles beforehand. They built up hype in traditional ways even if they went about it differently. We often say so-and-so didn't do enough "promo". This redefines what promo even is. What is considered promotion? Is promotion even necessary?
I don't think this *particular* scenario will become the norm. I think *this* scenario will make others rethink their strategies. Beyonce has upped the game. She's skipped over traditional radio. She hasn't even gone for traditional CD format (as sucky as that is, imo). This is a very forward-thinking strategy. Planning ahead for the future.
Again, this won't be norm because it can't be. If anyone else tried this strategy again, it would be predictable. But it's still a test that succeeded by defying nearly all methods of traditional rollouts for an album. I'm simple saying this has changed the game because it is redefining so much of what we think of when we think of how an album is promoted.
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