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Post by DJ General on Sept 20, 2015 22:49:06 GMT -5
Whole album is out!
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Post by JamaicaFunk² on Sept 21, 2015 8:49:47 GMT -5
You want a good nap? Put on that Ryan Adams album.
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Post by Active Aggressive on Sept 21, 2015 8:52:53 GMT -5
Ryan Adams is such an artist. La Cienega Just Smiled is still one of my favorite songs to this day and I loved how he changed the interpretation of these songs to match his style. Props to Taylor too for having songs that are so structurally sound that they can be translated into other styles. I can't wait for this to be released in physical form so I can buy it.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 21, 2015 9:43:58 GMT -5
Wait, Ryan Adams covered the album? Wow, this whole time I thought he was releasing a completely different album called 1989.
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Post by when the pawn... on Sept 21, 2015 12:02:10 GMT -5
I'm halfway through the Ryan Adams album. So far, when he goes upbeat/rocks out, I prefer his versions to Taylor's. But his slower covers are pretty boring.
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Post by Active Aggressive on Sept 22, 2015 10:17:42 GMT -5
Ryan Adams' 1989 currently has a Metacritic rating of 91. #king.
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Post by Devil Marlena Nylund on Sept 22, 2015 10:32:17 GMT -5
Ryan Adams' 1989 currently has a Metacritic rating of 91. #king. Taylor's is 76. I think it's interesting and would like to see other non-pop artists doing covers of albums (written) by pop stars, if only to see how the reviews go. There's always a part of me annoyed that pop music gets such low ratings and even though Taylor's album is considered one of the best pop albums in a few years, it's still a pop album which means it only get such a high rating. I think critics (or anyone) who dislikes pop music probably shouldn't be reviewing pop albums. Of course, it is entirely possible that Ryan Adams could do Taylor's own songs in a more interesting and overall better way than she has, I can't help but wonder if there could ever be a case of a respected pop album being covered by a respected indie or rock artist and it not be as good in the eyes of critics.
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Post by Active Aggressive on Sept 22, 2015 11:23:31 GMT -5
I agree that there is a bias and I didn't read the actual reviews but I feel like even Taylor herself feels that Ryan's interpolations add something truly special to her songs, to the point where she finds herself singing his melodies to HER songs instead while on tour. #theimpact
I love Taylor's album and, like I said, the fact that Ryan could do such an incredible job and get those kinds of reviews is first and foremost a testament to Taylor's songwriting. I am really excited for this to get a physical release so I can pick it up. I won't even listen to it until then.
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Post by cufan7 on Sept 22, 2015 11:26:55 GMT -5
I'll give it a few more listens but 1st listen through Ryan's album didn't do too much for me.
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Post by kmbgs on Sept 22, 2015 11:42:42 GMT -5
I listened to the iTunes preview of OOTW.
Yeah, I'm gonna pass.
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Post by Active Aggressive on Sept 22, 2015 12:15:29 GMT -5
Ryan's level of artistry definitely isn't for everyone so I get that. I wonder how many year-end lists it's gonna sneak onto.
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Post by Max_X5 on Sept 22, 2015 12:57:02 GMT -5
Not a fan of his vocals (or enunciation) at all. Some of his arrangements are interesting, but that's it.
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Post by Taylor. on Sept 22, 2015 13:11:47 GMT -5
Are cover albums eligible for Grammy's? It'd be kind of hilarious (and sad) if he got nominated for AOTY and she didn't, lol.
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Post by when the pawn... on Sept 22, 2015 13:27:39 GMT -5
There's no way Taylor isn't getting nominated for Album of the Year. And I would think (hope) that the review committee for the top field would not allow one album to take up 2 spots in the biggest category.
It should be noted that Ryan Adams has a 90 on Metacritic off of 8 reviews. Taylor has a 76 off of 29 reviews. I imagine if RA had another 20 reviews, the score would go down a bit. Also, the myth of Taylor's 1989 has only intensified since its release. I *think* its representation on critics year-end lists was already better than its reviews indicated, only 2 months later.
But yes, there is certainly a mental block for critics to properly reward the best pop albums. Beyonce and Justin Timberlake got further than most on their recent albums (Part 1 for Timberlake). But looking at reviews for Adele, Taylor Swift, Gaga at her best, etc., it never reaches the top of the top. Whether that's fair or not is subjective.
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Post by Rican@ on Sept 22, 2015 13:52:17 GMT -5
Was his intention to make this album sound like it came out in 1989? Because it sounds dated as hell. I mean it is cute, but Taylor "1989" is pop perfection and should not be touched (by anyone).
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Post by Kinney on Sept 22, 2015 14:14:07 GMT -5
There's no way Taylor isn't getting nominated for Album of the Year. And I would think (hope) that the review committee for the top field would not allow one album to take up 2 spots in the biggest category. It should be noted that Ryan Adams has a 90 on Metacritic off of 8 reviews. Taylor has a 76 off of 29 reviews. I imagine if RA had another 20 reviews, the score would go down a bit. Also, the myth of Taylor's 1989 has only intensified since its release. I *think* its representation on critics year-end lists was already better than its reviews indicated, only 2 months later. But yes, there is certainly a mental block for critics to properly reward the best pop albums. Beyonce and Justin Timberlake got further than most on their recent albums (Part 1 for Timberlake). But looking at reviews for Adele, Taylor Swift, Gaga at her best, etc., it never reaches the top of the top. Whether that's fair or not is subjective. Yea while 1989's 76 score was actually on the top end for a straight up pop album, it's just "good" in the grand scheme of things. But then two months later (like you said), 1989 was in the top 10 (top 15?) of all albums based on year end rankings. Still though comparing the reviews between the two releases, the bias is pretty apparent. The reviews for both albums were done by the same two people at the LA Times and Boston Globe, and they both cited a problem with the slightly sanitized/generic (for Taylor) lyrics. They gave her 50, and both gave Ryan's 1989 an 80. Like, come on guys.
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Post by when the pawn... on Sept 22, 2015 14:45:34 GMT -5
Was his intention to make this album sound like it came out in 1989? Because it sounds dated as hell. I mean it is cute, but Taylor "1989" is pop perfection and should not be touched (by anyone). It's meant to be in the style of The Smiths, so yes, more-or-less gunning for a mid-80s sound.
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Post by Active Aggressive on Sept 22, 2015 14:58:54 GMT -5
My hopes with this project is that it brings more awareness to artists like Ryan Adams who aren't saturating pop radio and getting lots of attention from the record buying masses.
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Post by DJ General on Sept 22, 2015 15:23:08 GMT -5
Are cover albums eligible for Grammy's? It'd be kind of hilarious (and sad) if he got nominated for AOTY and she didn't, lol. For one, it isn't a cover album. He made the songs his own. For two, why would a cover album not be eligible for Grammys? Either way, Taylor would be up on stage and get an award for writing the album.
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Post by DJ General on Sept 22, 2015 15:23:41 GMT -5
I'm sure Ryan will get the standard "rock" nominations. He'll get rock song, album, etc. I don't think he can sneak into AOTY but it would be hilarious if taylor and him got AOTY.
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Post by lyhom on Sept 22, 2015 15:26:16 GMT -5
Are cover albums eligible for Grammy's? It'd be kind of hilarious (and sad) if he got nominated for AOTY and she didn't, lol. For one, it isn't a cover album. He made the songs his own. but they're still covers? lmao
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Post by DJ General on Sept 22, 2015 15:27:30 GMT -5
Nah, they are reinterpretations. :)
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Post by when the pawn... on Sept 22, 2015 15:36:30 GMT -5
Ryan can't get a Song nomination because he didn't write these songs. And IF Ryan were to win for the Album, Taylor would only go on stage if she were invited by Ryan. I believe AOTY goes to the artist and the producer, not the songwriter.
Perhaps this will yield a rock nod or two for Ryan Adams but I'm not expecting much. I think Rock Album will likely go to Foo Fighters. Muse in the mix as well. I figure they'll go for different categories but if eligible, Alabama Shakes and Florence + The Machine would be threats as well.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 22, 2015 17:59:39 GMT -5
Are cover albums eligible for Grammy's? It'd be kind of hilarious (and sad) if he got nominated for AOTY and she didn't, lol. For one, it isn't a cover album. He made the songs his own. For two, why would a cover album not be eligible for Grammys? Either way, Taylor would be up on stage and get an award for writing the album. The Grammys have had some somewhat obscure rules about covers and samples so it's actually not an unreasonable question to ask. They just recently started allowing songs that contain samples to be nominated for SOTY (previously, only the Rap Song category allowed songwriters to be nominated for songs with samples). Though sampling isn't a full on cover, it is safe to assume that same rule applied to cover songs - they couldn't be nominated in any songwriting category since they had already been released before. That rule might still apply for full-on covers, I'm not sure. With that said, I believe cover songs have always been eligible for ROTY and genre performance awards. I'm not sure how an entire cover album would be received since to my recollection there is virtually no precedent for that, especially not for a cover album released in the same nomination period as the original. Normally when people do cover albums it's of Great American Songbook classics and they get a traditional pop album nom. This wouldn't fit the bill. I don't know why one would split hairs between 'covers' and 'reinterpretations' but any rule about cover songs that might prevent them from being nominated, for all intents and purposes, would apply to Ryan's 1989. He is singing songs that were originally sung and released by someone else. That's the definition of a cover. Also, when the pawn is correct; AOTY Grammys go to "the main artist, the featured artist(s), the producer, the engineer and/or mixer and the mastering engineer," and genre award Grammys go to all of those people except the featured artists. If Ryan were to win the only person on stage would be Ryan, since he apparently did all the production and mixing himself. The fallout if the Grammys skipped over Taylor just to reward Ryan for her album would be absolutely hilarious to witness, but I highly doubt the Grammys would go out of their way to snub her for him. The largest part of the appeal in Ryan's 1989 is the very fact that it is an indie cover of a big pop album. Without that aspect I think most of the attention it has now wouldn't be there. With that aspect I think it just makes Taylor look better.
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Post by Au$tin on Sept 22, 2015 18:11:19 GMT -5
Nah, they are reinterpretations. :) ...that doesn't mean they're not covers, though.
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Post by ClevelandRox on Sept 22, 2015 18:23:25 GMT -5
For one, it isn't a cover album. He made the songs his own. but they're still covers? lmao Nah, they are reinterpretations. :)
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Post by DJ General on Sept 22, 2015 18:43:30 GMT -5
Lol I was being silly. I know they are covers. Everyone relax
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Post by yuh yuh on Sept 23, 2015 11:04:11 GMT -5
Does anybody know, why most of her singles are not charting in Sweden? Doesn't release them there or Swedes just don't like her music? Been looking that her 1989 singles (except Shake It Off #3) have not charted there.. And it seems weird as Sweden is also with quite big music industry.
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Post by Mikel Echarri on Sept 23, 2015 11:13:24 GMT -5
Does anybody know, why most of her singles are not charting in Sweden? Doesn't release them there or Swedes just don't like her music? Been looking that her 1989 singles (except Shake It Off #3) have not charted there.. And it seems weird as Sweden is also with quite big music industry. In my country (Spain) Taylor charted with Shake It Off (peaked #2), Out of the Woods (#22) and Blank Space (#3) when the chart was only based on digital sales. Beginning 2015 the streaming was added to the formula (250 streams=1 sale). Taylor dropped out the chart (when Blank Space peaked at #3). Since that Taylor never charted again here (because Spotify, obviously). In Sweden should be the same.
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Post by ¤ Matthea ¤ on Sept 23, 2015 11:21:23 GMT -5
Does anybody know, why most of her singles are not charting in Sweden? Doesn't release them there or Swedes just don't like her music? Been looking that her 1989 singles (except Shake It Off #3) have not charted there.. And it seems weird as Sweden is also with quite big music industry. Spotify is king in Sweden. If you are not on Spotify, you are unlikely to chart there.
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