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Post by bigfan101 on May 28, 2015 15:21:26 GMT -5
I'm a little confused at everyone's liking of Kelsea. I get that she's a female breaking much-needed barriers for her debut. This is going to be an unpopular opinion, but this song continues to do nothing for me. It's overproduced, the electronic sounding banjo is the only instrumentation remotely country and what she is singing about is just as plain and generic as Canaan Smith's song. If you guys want a female to break through, why can't it be one who is actually making legitimately great country music with awesome instrumentals and real stories...Mickey Guyton, Kacey Musgraves, Jana Kramer... I know beggars can't be choosers, but come on. This is just a girl jumping on the over-produced generic bandwagon--it's no surprise this song is seeing success. I would encourage you to listen to the album. This is lighter song for sure, but it is fun and got her a solid start at radio.
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Post by .indulgecountry on May 28, 2015 16:06:32 GMT -5
I'm a little confused at everyone's liking of Kelsea. I get that she's a female breaking much-needed barriers for her debut. This is going to be an unpopular opinion, but this song continues to do nothing for me. It's overproduced, the electronic sounding banjo is the only instrumentation remotely country and what she is singing about is just as plain and generic as Canaan Smith's song. If you guys want a female to break through, why can't it be one who is actually making legitimately great country music with awesome instrumentals and real stories...Mickey Guyton, Kacey Musgraves, Jana Kramer... I know beggars can't be choosers, but come on. This is just a girl jumping on the over-produced generic bandwagon--it's no surprise this song is seeing success. Musically this song or Kelsea in general may not be your cup of tea, and generally I prefer more neo-traditional material as well (Mickey, Kacey, and Jana have three of my favorite singles out right now), but I also really, really love this and Kelsea's entire album is fantastic to me. She definitely falls on the poppier end of the country spectrum, but vocally, melodically, and lyrically, I feel like her album fits squarely within the genre. The more poppy, modern production on this track just makes her more accessible to radio and I don't think it detracts from the material at all. I get a very strong sense of artistic identity listening to The First Time, and considering it's her debut album, I don't see why she would be jumping on the "bandwagon" ... I feel like she really knows what kind of artist she wants to be here and I sense no identity crisis. Not all females need to sound the same any more than all the boys do (and so many of them do ), and I don't feel like she really crosses the line that much into "is this country?" territory the way Sam Hunt has done, someone I've seen people comparing her to. She reminds me a lot of what Taylor Swift would sound like if she debuted in the country environment today as opposed to about a decade ago.
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Post by kw9461 on May 28, 2015 21:11:07 GMT -5
I'm a little confused at everyone's liking of Kelsea. I get that she's a female breaking much-needed barriers for her debut. This is going to be an unpopular opinion, but this song continues to do nothing for me. It's overproduced, the electronic sounding banjo is the only instrumentation remotely country and what she is singing about is just as plain and generic as Canaan Smith's song. If you guys want a female to break through, why can't it be one who is actually making legitimately great country music with awesome instrumentals and real stories...Mickey Guyton, Kacey Musgraves, Jana Kramer... I know beggars can't be choosers, but come on. This is just a girl jumping on the over-produced generic bandwagon--it's no surprise this song is seeing success. This 1000 times over. The success of this song just baffles me. I find it so remarkably bland and overproduced that it just completely fades into the background for me. How she managed to break through with an indie label when uber talented females are struggling left and right, I just don't know. I'm usually pretty good at identifying what radio will play, even if I don't like it, but I completely whiffed on this one.
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Post by samsager3 on May 28, 2015 22:23:04 GMT -5
So people have been begging for a female singer to breakthrough and be successful for years and one finally does and those same people criticize the song? I understand this would t be many people's favorite song but the reason it broke through is obvious. The song isn't a ballad love song or about cheating like most female songs instead it's a feel good up beat pop type song that sounds a lot like bro country. Radio has been playing this stuff for the males for years which farther works to prove my point that if females released bro country songs instead of trying to stick to the old formula they would get played. This song isn't bad many don't like it becuase if it's pop influences and those influences are exactly why it's been so successful in my opinion.
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Post by .indulgecountry on May 28, 2015 22:29:48 GMT -5
Yeah, I feel like it's pretty clear why this broke through. Not only has Black River done a great job working her to radio, but she released a very radio-friendly and modern single, and it's had great sales and the callout has been pretty good, too. This has definitely connected and while I'd love to see many more females breaking through, I just can't find a problem with this finding a way to the Top 10 (hopefully #1) -- plus, I really like this. We shouldn't be complaining why one female made it this high over another, when there are so many male spots that should be going to females. I'm seeing a lot of people saying this is overproduced, but I don't get that at all from this song. "Overproduced" to me is when the production is really, really loud and cluttery to the point where it drowns out the vocalist or just sounds obnoxious in some way, and I get none of those from this. It's poppier for sure, but it doesn't sound over the top.
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Post by Deleted on May 29, 2015 0:15:25 GMT -5
Yeah, I feel like it's pretty clear why this broke through. In retrospect it's easy to say this, but if you had asked me back when this song was released if I thought it had a chance to go top 10 or even #1, I would have looked at you like you were crazy (and that's partially because Kelsea is a new female artist, and out of all the new females, she didn't seem like a likely candidate to break through. Also, she was a completely unknown artist on a label whose biggest accomplishments were taking a couple of Craig Morgan tunes into the top 15). So in that sense, I can see where kw9461 is coming from. For what it's worth, I'm just as surprised that Canaan Smith's "Love You Like That" has turned into a hit. This song just hung in there, and it kept slipping through the cracks as I call it. After a while, if a song can hang on long enough and get into the 20's, then it will often take care of itself from there. Once this started reaching more people, it just kind of caught on. I feel like a lot of other songs in the 30's and 40's would do the same, but unfortunately many of them won't ever make it out of those parts of the chart.
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Post by .indulgecountry on May 29, 2015 1:12:24 GMT -5
^ True, I was thinking more in terms of now than initially, you're right. But I feel like looking at this song now and comparing it to other female songs on the chart, I think it makes sense why this one appealed to radio more than some of the other options. I did get the impression that once this got into the Top 30 that it was going to become a pretty big hit though, but not until that point did I really feel semi-confident in that, seeing as female chart runs are totally unpredictable.
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Post by LBTrocks on May 29, 2015 3:12:59 GMT -5
So people have been begging for a female singer to breakthrough and be successful for years and one finally does and those same people criticize the song? I understand this would t be many people's favorite song but the reason it broke through is obvious. The song isn't a ballad love song or about cheating like most female songs instead it's a feel good up beat pop type song that sounds a lot like bro country. Radio has been playing this stuff for the males for years which farther works to prove my point that if females released bro country songs instead of trying to stick to the old formula they would get played. This song isn't bad many don't like it because if it's pop influences and those influences are exactly why it's been so successful in my opinion. "A pop type song that sounds a lot like bro-country" is a perfect way to describe this song- it's exactly how I've always felt about it. And I think you basically answered your own rhetorical question as to why some people are complaining about it. I can't speak for others, but that's exactly the style of music I don't want to catch on with the female singers. I'm actually okay with some pop in my country, that's really not my main gripe about this song. My main gripe is that this just sounds like a female version of bro-country to me and I'm personally not here for that. Bro-country running rampant with the male artists is bad enough; I certainly don't want the style to catch on with the females as well. I'm afraid that with a song like this becoming a hit, it will encourage other female artists and record labels to follow suit and release more songs like it. It's true that I'd also like to see more female singers find success in the genre, but them stooping down to bro-country's level is not how I want it to happen.
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Post by Deleted on May 29, 2015 3:54:54 GMT -5
I'm failing to see the bro country in this. Yeah it's a little repetitive but that's about it at least from my viewpoint. I think what made it worked was the label backing this song up. Once it hit the Top 30 the spark underneath it got lit and boom! We have a possible superstar.
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Post by bigfan101 on May 29, 2015 9:35:03 GMT -5
So people have been begging for a female singer to breakthrough and be successful for years and one finally does and those same people criticize the song? I understand this would t be many people's favorite song but the reason it broke through is obvious. The song isn't a ballad love song or about cheating like most female songs instead it's a feel good up beat pop type song that sounds a lot like bro country. Radio has been playing this stuff for the males for years which farther works to prove my point that if females released bro country songs instead of trying to stick to the old formula they would get played. This song isn't bad many don't like it because if it's pop influences and those influences are exactly why it's been so successful in my opinion. "A pop type song that sounds a lot like bro-country" is a perfect way to describe this song- it's exactly how I've always felt about it. And I think you basically answered your own rhetorical question as to why some people are complaining about it. I can't speak for others, but that's exactly the style of music I don't want to catch on with the female singers. I'm actually okay with some pop in my country, that's really not my main gripe about this song. My main gripe is that this just sounds like a female version of bro-country to me and I'm personally not here for that. Bro-country running rampant with the male artists is bad enough; I certainly don't want the style to catch on with the females as well. I'm afraid that with a song like this becoming a hit, it will encourage other female artists and record labels to follow suit and release more songs like it. It's true that I'd also like to see more female singers find success in the genre, but them stooping down to bro-country's level is not how I want it to happen. Again, please take a chance to listen to her album. So many artists now go with lighter singles to get album runs started and get her name out there with something that radio might play, so when it is time for single two they actually have a chance. Her album is filled with fun radio jams and serious impressive ballads, which mind you she wrote (every song on the album is penned by Kelsea). I do not think there is any way that we can complain that they are playing women, because once they start playing one female hopefully that opens the door for more women on radio. Again, listen to XO, Peter Pan, The First Time, Secondhand Smoke and Stilettos. Those five songs will change your mind, no doubt.
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Post by samsager3 on May 29, 2015 12:06:41 GMT -5
So you don't want this style to catch on yet you want females to have success and you do realize this is what radio executives want to play right? Im just saying that seems a little counterintuitive. I actually like this song and have rooted for her since day one becuase it proves females can have hits if they release what radio wants to hear whether anyone thinks it's pandering or not guess what it works. The song though actually reminds me of later taylor swift songs right before she went pop completely so maybe they will take that approach with Kelsea. Or something similar to Cole Swindell would work too were two light hearted singles are released then a serious song.
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Post by .indulgecountry on May 29, 2015 15:35:24 GMT -5
I think people are being really loose with their interpretation of what bro-country is if this falls into that category. I mean, lyrically the song is about a girl saying "I've been let down before by guys who weren't what I thought they were, so if you're gonna love me, you better be serious about it." In no way do I find that comparable to gross objectification of the opposing gender (like in "Get Me Some of That" or "Ready Set Roll") and it doesn't cover any of the stereotypical bro lyrics we get from songs like "That's My Kind of Night" or "Boys 'Round Here" or "Cruise," etc. nor does it sound anything like those musically, imo. I actually heard this on the radio a few days ago and the poppier elements had been replaced with violins/fiddles and more organic stuff -- idk if that's an official remix that's out there or if the station did it themselves -- but the song sounded basically the same with those elements swapped out. If you threw a bunch of fiddles and steel guitar on "That's My Kind of Night" in place of the production it has now, it would just sound weird.
Haley Georgia's new psuedo-rap, LCD-lyric of a song "Ridiculous" is the only female song I've heard thus far that I would say truly sounds like a bro-country song to me. From the lyrics to the vocal performance to the production, everything about that sounds like her going "how do I make a song that sounds like FGL from the female perspective?" Kelsea's song sounds like she went with "how do I make a pop-country anthem that'll sound like something from Taylor Swift or LeAnn Rimes?"
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Post by LBTrocks on May 29, 2015 16:44:28 GMT -5
So you don't want this style to catch on yet you want females to have success and you do realize this is what radio executives want to play right? Im just saying that seems a little counterintuitive. I actually like this song and have rooted for her since day one becuase it proves females can have hits if they release what radio wants to hear whether anyone thinks it's pandering or not guess what it works. The song though actually reminds me of later taylor swift songs right before she went pop completely so maybe they will take that approach with Kelsea. Or something similar to Cole Swindell would work too were two light hearted singles are released then a serious song. I get where you're coming from, and can even agree that strategically you're likely right on point, but I stand by what I said in my previous post. I understand that songs like this are what radio executives want from females- it's what they want from the males too. I personally don't want it from either gender. Let me put it this way: it's hard for me to root for having more females on country radio if they're just going to be singing the same type of bro-country drivel that the males are. I want the guys themselves to get away from that sound and I don't want the females coming around to embrace it. A fear I've always had is that the powers that be will come to the conclusion that since the bro-country style is working for the guys, it can work for the ladies as well. And that fear of mine is bigger than just this individual song. I had the same fear when "Famous" by Kelleigh Banenn was released. "Love Me Like You Mean It" reminded me of that one because I think they sound extremely similar. Now, as far as if this song is really bro-leaning or not, that part is subjective and no one person is right or wrong with how they feel about it. For me, it's not so much the lyrics as it's how the song sonically sounds. Everything about it sounds bro to me. The guitar, the production, the beat... I personally would describe the song as a fusion of pop music and bro-country.
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Post by .indulgecountry on May 29, 2015 17:34:46 GMT -5
Now, as far as if this song is really bro-leaning or not, that part is subjective and no one person is right or wrong with how they feel about it. For me, it's not so much the lyrics as it's how the song sonically sounds. Everything about it sounds bro to me. The guitar, the production, the beat... I personally would describe the song as a fusion of pop music and bro-country. Still don't see how the production makes it bro-country. To me it doesn't sound anything like any other bro-country songs. It reminds me more of "Little Toy Guns" than anything production-wise.
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Post by Deleted on May 29, 2015 17:37:43 GMT -5
I think it sounds between pure pop and a pop-country mix and the production fits the song like a glove.
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Post by bigfan101 on May 29, 2015 17:58:38 GMT -5
Now, as far as if this song is really bro-leaning or not, that part is subjective and no one person is right or wrong with how they feel about it. For me, it's not so much the lyrics as it's how the song sonically sounds. Everything about it sounds bro to me. The guitar, the production, the beat... I personally would describe the song as a fusion of pop music and bro-country. Still don't see how the production makes it bro-country. To me it doesn't sound anything like any other bro-country songs. It reminds me more of "Little Toy Guns" than anything production-wise. How can this be bro country? She is bashing a "bro" for not loving her the way it should. A female song should not be qualified as bro. Is this pop leaning? Yes. Is it particularly deep lyrically? No But what it has done had established a relationship with radio and given them something they are willing to play, so when she releases her next single she has a better shot of being played. Again, listen to the album before jumping to conclusions. If you don't like the pop country sound, that's fine, it's a preference, but to say this girl has no lyrical depth, is a fault. She deserves to be played; I'm stunned that this is the song they chose, but I am glad they did. Her album is EXCELLENT.
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Post by Deleted on May 29, 2015 18:13:38 GMT -5
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Post by trebor on May 29, 2015 18:14:15 GMT -5
No fan of Kelsea's, still very happy for her at how this all unfolds to be huge! :) As others have pointed out I do not consider this to be bro in any way. It's country pop IMO. Don't know about the version with country instrumentation; so I'm judging by the known release. This track here is the closest what I would consider to be bro (bra) country: Morgan Stanley: "Rowdy Shoutin' Cowboys"Traditionalists beware as it's really genre bending and lyrically challenging.
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Post by LBTrocks on May 29, 2015 20:40:55 GMT -5
Still don't see how the production makes it bro-country. To me it doesn't sound anything like any other bro-country songs. It reminds me more of "Little Toy Guns" than anything production-wise. How can this be bro country? She is bashing a "bro" for not loving her the way it should. A female song should not be qualified as bro. Is this pop leaning? Yes. Is it particularly deep lyrically? No But what it has done had established a relationship with radio and given them something they are willing to play, so when she releases her next single she has a better shot of being played. Again, listen to the album before jumping to conclusions. If you don't like the pop country sound, that's fine, it's a preference, but to say this girl has no lyrical depth, is a fault. She deserves to be played; I'm stunned that this is the song they chose, but I am glad they did. Her album is EXCELLENT. Just wanted to respond to a couple things in this post. I'm not necessarily applying what I'm about to say to this specific song- I respect those who say this doesn't sound at all bro to them, and as with most differing opinions about music, I'm more than happy to agree to disagree about it. This post is more about some general points I'd like to make. First of all, IMO, lyrics are not the only thing that determines if a song is "bro-country" or not. You also have how the song sounds sonically. Things such as the melody, production, beat, and vocal arrangement have to play a big part in it. Bro-country has a fairly distinctive sound IMO. Secondly, why can't a female or a song by a female be classified as 'bro' by someone if the song sonically or lyrically sounds like that style of music to them? I mean, it's not the best term to use for a lady, but if a song sonically and lyrically sounds like that style to them, I'm not sure what else to call it right now. Lastly, I agree with you that people need to listen to the album before jumping to conclusions on who Kelsea is as an artist, but you don't need to hear the rest of the songs to come to a conclusion about this one. With that said, I had already previewed the album because I kept reading how good it was. "Sirens" was my favorite.
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Post by Deleted on May 29, 2015 20:48:45 GMT -5
How can this be bro country? She is bashing a "bro" for not loving her the way it should. A female song should not be qualified as bro. Is this pop leaning? Yes. Is it particularly deep lyrically? No But what it has done had established a relationship with radio and given them something they are willing to play, so when she releases her next single she has a better shot of being played. Again, listen to the album before jumping to conclusions. If you don't like the pop country sound, that's fine, it's a preference, but to say this girl has no lyrical depth, is a fault. She deserves to be played; I'm stunned that this is the song they chose, but I am glad they did. Her album is EXCELLENT. Just wanted to respond to a couple things in this post. I'm not necessarily applying what I'm about to say to this specific song- I respect those who say this doesn't sound at all bro to them, and as with most differing opinions about music, I'm more than happy to agree to disagree about it. This post is more about some general points I'd like to make. First of all, IMO, lyrics are not the only thing that determines if a song is "bro-country" or not. You also have how the song sounds sonically. Things such as the melody, production, beat, and vocal arrangement have to play a big part in it. Bro-country has a fairly distinctive sound IMO. Secondly, why can't a female or a song by a female be classified as 'bro' by someone if the song sonically or lyrically sounds like that style of music to them? I mean, it's not the best term to use for a lady, but if a song sonically and lyrically sounds like that style to them, I'm not sure what else to call it right now. Lastly, I agree with you that people need to listen to the album before jumping to conclusions on who Kelsea is as an artist, but you don't need to hear the rest of the songs to come to a conclusion about this one. With that said, I had already previewed the album because I kept reading how good it was. "Sirens" was my favorite. Ok I'm getting into this fray sorry in advance. The production is like something from Taylor Swift. The beat is a safe pop country beat. The melody is also I guess you could argue there but she sounds so happy and carefree I can't help but smile. What vocal arrangement sounds pretty authentic. Call it Pop-country which it is. not trying to offend you :(.
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Post by LBTrocks on May 29, 2015 21:18:25 GMT -5
Just wanted to respond to a couple things in this post. I'm not necessarily applying what I'm about to say to this specific song- I respect those who say this doesn't sound at all bro to them, and as with most differing opinions about music, I'm more than happy to agree to disagree about it. This post is more about some general points I'd like to make. First of all, IMO, lyrics are not the only thing that determines if a song is "bro-country" or not. You also have how the song sounds sonically. Things such as the melody, production, beat, and vocal arrangement have to play a big part in it. Bro-country has a fairly distinctive sound IMO. Secondly, why can't a female or a song by a female be classified as 'bro' by someone if the song sonically or lyrically sounds like that style of music to them? I mean, it's not the best term to use for a lady, but if a song sonically and lyrically sounds like that style to them, I'm not sure what else to call it right now. Lastly, I agree with you that people need to listen to the album before jumping to conclusions on who Kelsea is as an artist, but you don't need to hear the rest of the songs to come to a conclusion about this one. With that said, I had already previewed the album because I kept reading how good it was. "Sirens" was my favorite. Ok I'm getting into this fray sorry in advance. The production is like something from Taylor Swift. The beat is a safe pop country beat. The melody is also I guess you could argue there but she sounds so happy and carefree I can't help but smile. What vocal arrangement sounds pretty authentic. Call it Pop-country which it is. not trying to offend you :(. You didn't offend me, but you also can't demand that I say what you think I should say, just like I can't (nor would I attempt) to demand you to say what I think you should. I'm sorry if that's how it came across in any of my previous posts, but really I was just stating my own opinion and was trying to be as respectful as I could to those who felt differently while doing so. And, if you re-read my first statement in the post you quoted, you will see that I was responding to some general points that bigfan101 made and said that I wasn't specifically applying my response to this song. Basically, I just replied to bigfan's general points with some general points of my own.
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Post by Deleted on May 29, 2015 21:27:46 GMT -5
Ok but what were your favorite songs off the album.
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Post by LBTrocks on May 29, 2015 21:51:45 GMT -5
Ok but what were your favorite songs off the album. :) "Sirens" and "XO" were the two that I was the most fond of, in that order. bigfan101 did a good job of suggesting which songs to listen to, as I also found them to be the stronger cuts off the album. I don't think this is a bad album and it will be interesting to see what songs are chosen as singles after "Dibs"
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Post by bigfan101 on May 29, 2015 21:56:46 GMT -5
Ok but what were your favorite songs off the album. :) "Sirens" and "XO" were the two that I was the most fond of, in that order. bigfan101 did a good job of suggesting which songs to listen to, as I also found them to be the stronger cuts off the album. I don't think this is a bad album and it will be interesting to see what songs are chosen as singles after "Dibs" I'm not 100% sure they are going to stick with Dibs. CMT is playing XO, while having the opportunity to play Dibs. The last two CMT Listen Up artists Tyler Farr and RaeLynn, they have played what ended up being single two. So I don't know, but I am hoping for XO...I think it is the stronger of the two.
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Post by .indulgecountry on May 29, 2015 22:46:47 GMT -5
:) "Sirens" and "XO" were the two that I was the most fond of, in that order. bigfan101 did a good job of suggesting which songs to listen to, as I also found them to be the stronger cuts off the album. I don't think this is a bad album and it will be interesting to see what songs are chosen as singles after "Dibs" I'm not 100% sure they are going to stick with Dibs. CMT is playing XO, while having the opportunity to play Dibs. The last two CMT Listen Up artists Tyler Farr and RaeLynn, they have played what ended up being single two. So I don't know, but I am hoping for XO...I think it is the stronger of the two. "Dibs" is on the CD sticker though and The Highway has been playing that already. I still think it'd be the perfect follow-up and the instrumentation on it sounds countrier, but I do love "XO" as well.
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Post by sabre14 on May 29, 2015 23:14:55 GMT -5
I can tell you from some in the know sources that "Dibs" is set to be the follow-up single. But I must stress that things can change as The Highway has been spinning "Dibs" for quite a long time now and Black River might change that decision by the time "Love Me Like You Mean It" peaks. :)
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Post by Deleted on May 30, 2015 12:33:45 GMT -5
If Kelsea can hold on to where she's at today. She could launch herself into the Top 5. Becoming the first woman other than Miranda Taylor Carrie to have a Top 5 since Jana Kramer. Also she would net Black River their very first Top 5. Safe to say Kelsea Ballerini Love Me Like You Mean It will be considered a success.
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Post by bigfan101 on May 30, 2015 13:27:18 GMT -5
Yeah, she blew by Easton and Carrie today, while continuing to hold Blake at bay to land at #5. Can't say I saw that coming.
I don't want to jinx it but I don't see how this misses #1 at this point.
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Post by onebuffalo on May 30, 2015 13:33:09 GMT -5
I'm sure sabre14, Zack97, myeverythingku, and straitfan87 will agree with me on this: We want Kelsea Ballerini to hit the top because of who owns Black River-Terry and Kim Pegula, who own the Buffalo Sabres and Buffalo Bills. A little bit of Western New York is riding with this one.
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Post by Deleted on May 30, 2015 13:41:54 GMT -5
See but she's still in the little zone with Blake Carrie and Easton. I think her chances of a MB #1 increased. But BB is another story she is also right in the race with Blake but all 4 of them are so close maybe Kelsea could manage to pull ahead of them on BB and MB let's hope so.
Go Kelsea!
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