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Post by Deleted on Sept 7, 2014 12:08:02 GMT -5
I agree with .indulgecountry that "What We Ain't Got" isn't a lock for an award nomination at all, especially if the record ends up struggling on the airplay chart (which I still think it is/will). Even a star as big as Luke Bryan couldn't get "Drink a Beer" a CMA nomination. If the award shows are starting to "boycott" artists who have bro country songs associated with their names, then Jake Owen's "Beachin'" may keep him from getting any nominations for "What We Ain't Got."
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Post by countrymusic20 on Sept 7, 2014 12:23:11 GMT -5
Luke Bryan's FIFTH single - Roller Coaster ... downloaded 31,793 downloads the 6th week it was on the radio charts. Right, but what did it sell when it was in the 30's on the airplay chart? 16,235 If you want to go by chart position ... when both songs were at mid 30's on the chart What We Ain't Got sold 3,857 compared to 16,235 for Roller Coaster - about 5 times less. Jake's not as big as Luke so this isn't exactly a fair comparison. Luke's bigger hit singles have sold roughly twice as much as Jakes biggest singles. Let's compare Jake to Jake. Week 6 on the charts Beachin' sold 22,006 - 7 times more than What We AIn't Got. Beachin' sold 17,512 the week is was at #32 ... 5 times more than What We Ain't Got. On Jake's last record the single after Barefoot Blue Jean Nights was Alone With You. It certified over 1,million downloads. BFBJN certified 2.1 million downloads. So Jake's single following his biggest career hit sold half as much. Beachin' is at 1.1 million - I'd guess it has a decent shot at makin it to 1.5 million in the next year. That means that What We Ain't Got would have to download 600k - 750k to sell half of where Beachin' will end up. I'd say What We Ain't Got is on a pace to sell 250k - 300k if it makes it into the top 10. Pretty much any way you wanna compare it or look at it What We Ain't Got is a big drop off in sales for Jake and more than likely will continue to be for the life of the song.
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Post by Markus Meyer on Sept 7, 2014 12:31:05 GMT -5
Right, but what did it sell when it was in the 30's on the airplay chart? 16,235 If you want to go by chart position ... when both songs were at mid 30's on the chart What We Ain't Got sold 3,857 compared to 16,235 for Roller Coaster - about 5 times less. Jake's not as big as Luke so this isn't exactly a fair comparison. Luke's bigger hit singles have sold roughly twice as much as Jakes biggest singles. Let's compare Jake to Jake. Week 6 on the charts Beachin' sold 22,006 - 7 times more than What We AIn't Got. Beachin' sold 17,512 the week is was at #32 ... 5 times more than What We Ain't Got. On Jake's last record the single after Barefoot Blue Jean Nights was Alone with you. It certified over 1,million downloads. BFBJN certified 2.1 million downloads. So Jakes the single following is biggest career hit sold half as much. Beachin' is at 1.1 million - I'd guess is has a decent shot at makin it to 1.5 million in the next year. That means that What We Ain't Got would have to download 600k - 750k to sell half of where Beachin' will end up. I'd say What We Ain't Got is on a pace to sell 250k - 300k if it makes it into the top 10. Pretty much any way you wanna compare it or look at it What We Ain't Got is a big drop off in sales for Jake and more than likely will continue to be for the life of the song. Just out of curiosity, what did "The One that Got Away" sell in it's 6th week? (3rd single of his last album).
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Post by dm2081 on Sept 7, 2014 12:36:01 GMT -5
Right, but what did it sell when it was in the 30's on the airplay chart? 16,235 If you want to go by chart position ... when both songs were at mid 30's on the chart What We Ain't Got sold 3,857 compared to 16,235 for Roller Coaster - about 5 times less. Jake's not as big as Luke so this isn't exactly a fair comparison. Luke's bigger hit singles have sold roughly twice as much as Jakes biggest singles. Let's compare Jake to Jake. Week 6 on the charts Beachin' sold 22,006 - 7 times more than What We AIn't Got. Beachin' sold 17,512 the week is was at #32 ... 5 times more than What We Ain't Got. On Jake's last record the single after Barefoot Blue Jean Nights was Alone with you. It certified over 1,million downloads. BFBJN certified 2.1 million downloads. So Jakes the single following is biggest career hit sold half as much. Beachin' is at 1.1 million - I'd guess is has a decent shot at makin it to 1.5 million in the next year. That means that What We Ain't Got would have to download 600k - 750k to sell half of where Beachin' will end up. I'd say What We Ain't Got is on a pace to sell 250k - 300k if it makes it into the top 10. Pretty much any way you wanna compare it or look at it What We Ain't Got is a big drop off in sales for Jake and more than likely will continue to be for the life of the song. Sales don't follow a linear projection though. Some things cannot be calculated. Say for example that Jake gets a chance to perform this song on The Voice, or a Thanksgiving half-time show, or anything like that. Who's to say this song won't catch on fire? Some songs start selling out of nowhere. I still think it's too early to call this a flop yet.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 7, 2014 12:47:27 GMT -5
Now, I don't find it fair that we should compare sales for "What We Ain't Got" to "Beachin," "Alone with You," etc. since those were particularly big digital hits. I do feel that Markus' comparison to "The One That Got Away" is the most reasonable since that would be comparing a third single to a third single. I don't have exact numbers for "The One" but I do know that the record wasn't even certified Gold until two months after it reached #1 on the chart. My opinion isn't that "Ain't Got" will struggle to gain airplay due to low sales, or even that the single will turn out low sales. I just feel the song may sound too dark or dramatic for high radio rotation. Personally, I feel this single would have to catch on with listeners in a big way for radio programmers to respond with decent airplay.
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Post by dm2081 on Sept 7, 2014 12:51:56 GMT -5
Now, I don't find it fair that we should compare sales for "What We Ain't Got" to "Beachin," "Alone with You," etc. since those were particularly big digital hits. I do feel that Markus' comparison to "The One That Got Away" is the most reasonable since that would be comparing a third single to a third single. I don't have exact numbers for "The One" but I do know that the record wasn't even certified Gold until two months after it reached #1 on the chart. My opinion isn't that "Ain't Got" will struggle to gain airplay due to low sales, or even that the single will turn out low sales. I just feel the song may sound too dark or dramatic for high radio rotation. Personally, I feel this single would have to catch on with listeners in a big way for radio programmers to respond with decent airplay. I agree with you on this. This song is definitely an experiment, and will test the current state of country radio to see if they'll tolerate any true ballads these days.
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Post by countrymusic20 on Sept 7, 2014 13:01:06 GMT -5
16,235 If you want to go by chart position ... when both songs were at mid 30's on the chart What We Ain't Got sold 3,857 compared to 16,235 for Roller Coaster - about 5 times less. Jake's not as big as Luke so this isn't exactly a fair comparison. Luke's bigger hit singles have sold roughly twice as much as Jakes biggest singles. Let's compare Jake to Jake. Week 6 on the charts Beachin' sold 22,006 - 7 times more than What We AIn't Got. Beachin' sold 17,512 the week is was at #32 ... 5 times more than What We Ain't Got. On Jake's last record the single after Barefoot Blue Jean Nights was Alone with you. It certified over 1,million downloads. BFBJN certified 2.1 million downloads. So Jakes the single following is biggest career hit sold half as much. Beachin' is at 1.1 million - I'd guess is has a decent shot at makin it to 1.5 million in the next year. That means that What We Ain't Got would have to download 600k - 750k to sell half of where Beachin' will end up. I'd say What We Ain't Got is on a pace to sell 250k - 300k if it makes it into the top 10. Pretty much any way you wanna compare it or look at it What We Ain't Got is a big drop off in sales for Jake and more than likely will continue to be for the life of the song. Sales don't follow a linear projection though. Some things cannot be calculated. Say for example that Jake gets a chance to perform this song on The Voice, or a Thanksgiving half-time show, or anything like that. Who's to say this song won't catch on fire? Some songs start selling out of nowhere. I still think it's too early to call this a flop yet. The earliest sound scan I can access is first week of Aug 2012 ... which is week 10 for The One That Got Away. Sales were 15k. Can't see WWAG getting anywhere close to that in 4 weeks. And as far as comparing this song 3rd single to a 3rd single - that's not really a fair comparison either. This isn't a typical 3rd single. Days Of Gold was a dud and didn't sell or perform like a first single. Beachin' feels and sold more like a first single ... once it got going - it got off to a slow start and took a while for it to regain the radio and career momentum that Jake had going that Days Of Gold lost. Beachin' is the 2nd biggest song of Jake's career. Usually the next single will feed off of that momentum. WWAG isn't doing that. Yes - sales aren't always linear. And yes - even though it's very unlikely considering his mid-level artist status, Jake could get a Voice performance or a Halftime show. BUT, I'd guess that if he got a Voice performance, they would want him to play his uptempo smash hit. Haha. It happens all the time on the CMA and ACM awards shows. The show makes the artist play their last big hit - not their new single thats not a hit yet. I also think its kinda funny to be throwing out these unlikely hypothetical situations that in someway could crazily boost WWAG single sells. I'm not calling WWAG a flop. I'm just saying single sells are way off. This could be a #1 radio song eventually and only sell 300k downloads. That's not a flop. That's just a really good radio promo staff doing their job. It will be interesting to see what happens.
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Post by dm2081 on Sept 7, 2014 13:13:26 GMT -5
Sales don't follow a linear projection though. Some things cannot be calculated. Say for example that Jake gets a chance to perform this song on The Voice, or a Thanksgiving half-time show, or anything like that. Who's to say this song won't catch on fire? Some songs start selling out of nowhere. I still think it's too early to call this a flop yet. The earliest sound scan I can access is first week of Aug 2012 ... which is week 10 for The One That Got Away. Sales were 15k. Can't see WWAG getting anywhere close to that in 4 weeks. And as far as comparing this song 3rd single to a 3rd single - that's not really a fair comparison either. This isn't a typical 3rd single. Days Of Gold was a dud and didn't sell or perform like a first single. Beachin' feels and sold more like a first single ... once it got going - it got off to a slow start and took a while for it to regain the radio and career momentum that Jake had going that Days Of Gold lost. Beachin' is the 2nd biggest song of Jake's career. Usually the next single will feed off of that momentum. WWAG isn't doing that. Yes - sales aren't always linear. And yes - even though it's very unlikely considering his mid-level artist status, Jake could get a Voice performance or a Halftime show. BUT, I'd guess that if he got a Voice performance, they would want him to play his uptempo smash hit. Haha. It happens all the time on the CMA and ACM awards shows. The show makes the artist play their last big hit - not their new single thats not a hit yet. I also think its kinda funny to be throwing out these unlikely hypothetical situations that in someway could crazily boost WWAG single sells. I'm not calling WWAG a flop. I'm just saying single sells are way off. This could be a #1 radio song eventually and only sell 300k downloads. That's not a flop. That's just a really good radio promo staff doing their job. It will be interesting to see what happens. I also think it's funny to say a song isn't selling well before it's even made a dent in airplay. I won't try to convince you to give this song a chance, but I certainly will not rule out the possibility of a #1 airplay song or Gold sales yet.
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Post by zaclord 🌈 on Sept 7, 2014 13:26:21 GMT -5
I agree with .indulgecountry that "What We Ain't Got" isn't a lock for an award nomination at all, especially if the record ends up struggling on the airplay chart (which I still think it is/will). Even a star as big as Luke Bryan couldn't get "Drink a Beer" a CMA nomination. If the award shows are starting to "boycott" artists who have bro country songs associated with their names, then Jake Owen's "Beachin'" may keep him from getting any nominations for "What We Ain't Got." Well I personally thought "Drink a Beer" was a terrible song, so I'm not surprised at all that it missed getting some noms at the CMAs. Now I'm not saying "What We Ain't Got" will receive attention at award shows in the next year, but its a much better song than "Drink a Beer" ----------------- Also, comparing "What We Ain't Got"'s digital sales to "Roller Coaster"'s is not a valid comparison at all. Luke Bryan is white hot and an 8th single from his album would likely still sell better than the majority of singles from other artists would. I think that its way too early to determine WWAG's success based on the iTunes sales thus far. From my perspective, sales are actually quite good thus far for being so young on radio. Its currently #29 on country and its #22 if you take out all the non-singles and songs that have been recurrent for several weeks. Let's just wait a couple more weeks to see if it continues to grow on radio and in digital sales before we call this fantastic song a failure.
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Post by countrymusic20 on Sept 7, 2014 13:38:29 GMT -5
The earliest sound scan I can access is first week of Aug 2012 ... which is week 10 for The One That Got Away. Sales were 15k. Can't see WWAG getting anywhere close to that in 4 weeks. And as far as comparing this song 3rd single to a 3rd single - that's not really a fair comparison either. This isn't a typical 3rd single. Days Of Gold was a dud and didn't sell or perform like a first single. Beachin' feels and sold more like a first single ... once it got going - it got off to a slow start and took a while for it to regain the radio and career momentum that Jake had going that Days Of Gold lost. Beachin' is the 2nd biggest song of Jake's career. Usually the next single will feed off of that momentum. WWAG isn't doing that. Yes - sales aren't always linear. And yes - even though it's very unlikely considering his mid-level artist status, Jake could get a Voice performance or a Halftime show. BUT, I'd guess that if he got a Voice performance, they would want him to play his uptempo smash hit. Haha. It happens all the time on the CMA and ACM awards shows. The show makes the artist play their last big hit - not their new single thats not a hit yet. I also think its kinda funny to be throwing out these unlikely hypothetical situations that in someway could crazily boost WWAG single sells. I'm not calling WWAG a flop. I'm just saying single sells are way off. This could be a #1 radio song eventually and only sell 300k downloads. That's not a flop. That's just a really good radio promo staff doing their job. It will be interesting to see what happens. I also think it's funny to say a song isn't selling well before it's even made a dent in airplay. I won't try to convince you to give this song a chance, but I certainly will not rule out the possibility of a #1 airplay song or Gold sales yet. "I won't try to convince you to give this song a chance" haha. Every comparison I provided including the ones YOU asked for are based on statistics and timelines and every one shows that sales on WWAG are way off. This has nothing to do with giving or not giving a song a chance. Numbers don't lie. Yes, some "act of god" could occur to change the trend. Darryl Worley and Jo Dee Messina both had monster career songs in the wake of 9/11 ect. I myself in my last post said that this could be a #1 song. It's pretty hard to make a case for it on the sales side. Like I said - we'll see what happens.
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Post by rsmatto on Sept 7, 2014 18:40:45 GMT -5
Sales will approach Gold or better. Sales rise as soon as the song hits top 20. It's the same thing that happened with hits from Brett Eldredge, Frankie Ballard, Thomas Rhett, Eric Paslay, Jon Pardi and more. To say this is a sales bomb is not giving the average fan enough credit. Wait til it's an actual hit with major chart penetration where it doesn't sell. This is a different song from Jake, it's a traditional-leaning song and those have usually not downloaded too well.
If the song download comparables seem off to you, that comparing rising stars to Jake is wrong, well this song isn't exactly like his other songs. So treat it differently.
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Post by kml567 on Sept 7, 2014 19:04:48 GMT -5
Sounds like Jake is getting sick and tired of not getting any awards nominations, much like Justin Moore last year.
Could he pull a Justin Moore and win 2015 ACM Best New Artist award? He's equally as "new" as Moore back in 2014.
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Post by dm2081 on Sept 7, 2014 19:06:49 GMT -5
Sounds like Jake is getting sick and tired of not getting any awards nominations, much like Justin Moore last year. Could he pull a Justin Moore and win 2015 ACM Best New Artist award? He's equally as "new" as Moore back in 2014. Justin Moore had his first charting single in 2009. Jake had his in 2006, meaning he is almost a 10 year vet. He is not going to win a best new artist award. I still don't know Justin won that award, I'm assuming it was due to back room politics and bribery.
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Post by countrymusic20 on Sept 7, 2014 19:35:24 GMT -5
Sales will approach Gold or better. Sales rise as soon as the song hits top 20. It's the same thing that happened with hits from Brett Eldredge, Frankie Ballard, Thomas Rhett, Eric Paslay, Jon Pardi and more. To say this is a sales bomb is not giving the average fan enough credit. Wait til it's an actual hit with major chart penetration where it doesn't sell. This is a different song from Jake, it's a traditional-leaning song and those have usually not downloaded too well. If the song download comparables seem off to you, that comparing rising stars to Jake is wrong, well this song isn't exactly like his other songs. So treat it differently. Isn't WWAG a whole lot like Jake's singles Startin ' With Me and Don't Think I Can't Love You? Jake started out his career with more traditional songs like this that performed well at radio but didn't sell any records. I'm not buying the "this is a new kind of song for Jake so it can't be treated the same sales wise" argument. His first 2 records were more on the traditional country side and he came an eyelash from losing his record deal from lack of sales. BFBJN was a Hail Mary to turn things around and it worked. Now he's taking another shot at the more traditional again. And that's his right. So i disagree that this is a "new sound" for Jake. It's him going back to an old sound.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 7, 2014 20:31:42 GMT -5
Sales don't follow the same progression from single to single, album to album, and artist to artist. Momentum fluctuates all the time and there are just way too many variables. Frankly, I think this is way too small of a sample time to say that WWAG is moving slowly and/or selling poorly. There's plenty of time for this to catch on more, both at radio and at retail.
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Post by hosssulpizio on Sept 7, 2014 21:50:26 GMT -5
I personally think that "What We Ain't Got" will be a huge hit for Jake Owen. It is definitely Traditional Country. I just hope he sticks to what he said about having different songs that are not just about the beach.
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Post by rsmatto on Sept 8, 2014 11:48:49 GMT -5
Sales don't follow the same progression from single to single, album to album, and artist to artist. Momentum fluctuates all the time and there are just way too many variables. Frankly, I think this is way too small of a sample time to say that WWAG is moving slowly and/or selling poorly. There's plenty of time for this to catch on more, both at radio and at retail. That was my whole point that countrymusic20 seemed to shoot down above. The story for this song hasn't been completely written yet and to write it off so early or say it's a sales failure because it's not already selling at least 15k a week? I even provided a good sales example above for how songs that aren't that well known catch on.
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Post by onebuffalo on Sept 8, 2014 12:06:53 GMT -5
I wonder if anyone will remember how this one 'struggled' when it hits top ten or even #1 and poor sales when it reaches gold status. Jake Owen is on a roll here and has nothing to worry about.
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Post by rsmatto on Sept 8, 2014 14:23:21 GMT -5
I wonder if anyone will remember how this one 'struggled' when it hits top ten or even #1 and poor sales when it reaches gold status. Jake Owen is on a roll here and has nothing to worry about. It hit the 8/24 SoundScan chart at #76 (debut) with 3,900 tracks sold (57% increase) it had a total of 40,400 downloads after this week. It jumped to #58 last week with sales of 4,900 tracks sold (a 29% increase). It has now sold over 45,000 tracks as of this week. Clearly it isn't selling and is "struggling" based on early sales for a single that JUST hit the Top 30 after being Top 40 three weeks ago...
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Post by .indulgecountry on Sept 8, 2014 15:28:26 GMT -5
Heard this on the radio for the first time last night and I definitely enjoyed that. It's a great song and a welcome change of pace from Jake Owen, whose last single was an instant station-changer for me. Would love to see this become a pretty sizable hit, and I feel like it's off to a good start at radio so far all things considered.
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Post by rsmatto on Sept 10, 2014 12:41:53 GMT -5
I wonder if anyone will remember how this one 'struggled' when it hits top ten or even #1 and poor sales when it reaches gold status. Jake Owen is on a roll here and has nothing to worry about. It hit the 8/24 SoundScan chart at #76 (debut) with 3,900 tracks sold (57% increase) it had a total of 40,400 downloads after this week. It jumped to #58 last week with sales of 4,900 tracks sold (a 29% increase). It has now sold over 45,000 tracks as of this week. Clearly it isn't selling and is "struggling" based on early sales for a single that JUST hit the Top 30 after being Top 40 three weeks ago... Here's This week's update. Clearly it's still 'struggling' and not connecting with fans. Up to #34 with 8,600 downloads for sales now at 53,800. 77% increase over last week. If this song isn't following similar 'hit single' paths, I need to stop following charts like I do.
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Post by countrymusic20 on Sept 25, 2014 13:12:31 GMT -5
It hit the 8/24 SoundScan chart at #76 (debut) with 3,900 tracks sold (57% increase) it had a total of 40,400 downloads after this week. It jumped to #58 last week with sales of 4,900 tracks sold (a 29% increase). It has now sold over 45,000 tracks as of this week. Clearly it isn't selling and is "struggling" based on early sales for a single that JUST hit the Top 30 after being Top 40 three weeks ago... Here's This week's update. Clearly it's still 'struggling' and not connecting with fans. Up to #34 with 8,600 downloads for sales now at 53,800. 77% increase over last week. If this song isn't following similar 'hit single' paths, I need to stop following charts like I do. 8,600 downloads 2 weeks ago, up to 9,431 last week, back down to 7,314 this week. Hmmmm. Feel free to run the percentages ... Chart wise - dropped from 35 to 36 on Aircheck and dropped from 35 to 37 on Billboard. Clearly this is really "connecting with the fans" and downloads are trending into a "hit single path".
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Post by Deleted on Sept 25, 2014 15:16:10 GMT -5
Here's This week's update. Clearly it's still 'struggling' and not connecting with fans. Up to #34 with 8,600 downloads for sales now at 53,800. 77% increase over last week. If this song isn't following similar 'hit single' paths, I need to stop following charts like I do. 8,600 downloads 2 weeks ago, up to 9,431 last week, back down to 7,314 this week. Hmmmm. Feel free to run the percentages ... Chart wise - dropped from 35 to 36 on Aircheck and dropped from 35 to 37 on Billboard. Clearly this is really "connecting with the fans" and downloads are trending into a "hit single path". Jake's definitely getting run over on the charts a bit. I still like this song as a single choice but I never thought that the success of "Beachin'" would mean Jake is suddenly an A-lister, or that the follow-up to "Beachin'" would go screaming up the charts. Obviously if this was top 30 or better by now the sales would probably be higher as a result, but I wouldn't say it's selling poorly. It's simply not selling like an A-lister's single would do at this stage of the game, and that's because, surprise, Jake Owen isn't an A-list artist. "Beachin'" was huge for him but I think that, even if they'd gone with a more radio-friendly choice like "Ghost Town", it would still be facing some issues right now. Of course there's no way to prove that, but with so many other B and C-list male artists in the 20's, 30's, and 40's on the chart, there are bound to be several songs that lose out, and right now Jake is definitely one of the slowest movers among the bunch. That said, though, Jake is still out-selling several of his peers. Again--I'm not saying that he's not scorching the sales chart right now, but WWAG is positioned well ahead of The Swon Brothers, Eli Young Band, and Big & Rich, and those songs all are/were solid top 20 hits. And Jake is also well ahead of Chase Bryant, Rascal Flatts, David Nail, Brothers Osborne, Hunter Hayes, Dan + Shay, Randy Houser, Darius Rucker, Thomas Rhett, and Chris Young. With this song more or less stagnant on the radio charts right now, though, it's tough for new people to be exposed to it. It's just a really tough chart right now and again, I think another song, even one like "Ghost Town" or "Drivin' All Night", would be struggling as well, mainly due to Jake's status (he's simply not an A-lister). Maybe he'd be a few positions higher on the radio charts with a different single choice, but I suspect he wouldn't be all that much higher.
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Post by countrymusic20 on Oct 4, 2014 8:43:08 GMT -5
8,600 downloads 2 weeks ago, up to 9,431 last week, back down to 7,314 this week. Hmmmm. Feel free to run the percentages ... Chart wise - dropped from 35 to 36 on Aircheck and dropped from 35 to 37 on Billboard. Clearly this is really "connecting with the fans" and downloads are trending into a "hit single path". Jake's definitely getting run over on the charts a bit. I still like this song as a single choice but I never thought that the success of "Beachin'" would mean Jake is suddenly an A-lister, or that the follow-up to "Beachin'" would go screaming up the charts. Obviously if this was top 30 or better by now the sales would probably be higher as a result, but I wouldn't say it's selling poorly. It's simply not selling like an A-lister's single would do at this stage of the game, and that's because, surprise, Jake Owen isn't an A-list artist. "Beachin'" was huge for him but I think that, even if they'd gone with a more radio-friendly choice like "Ghost Town", it would still be facing some issues right now. Of course there's no way to prove that, but with so many other B and C-list male artists in the 20's, 30's, and 40's on the chart, there are bound to be several songs that lose out, and right now Jake is definitely one of the slowest movers among the bunch. That said, though, Jake is still out-selling several of his peers. Again--I'm not saying that he's not scorching the sales chart right now, but WWAG is positioned well ahead of The Swon Brothers, Eli Young Band, and Big & Rich, and those songs all are/were solid top 20 hits. And Jake is also well ahead of Chase Bryant, Rascal Flatts, David Nail, Brothers Osborne, Hunter Hayes, Dan + Shay, Randy Houser, Darius Rucker, Thomas Rhett, and Chris Young. With this song more or less stagnant on the radio charts right now, though, it's tough for new people to be exposed to it. It's just a really tough chart right now and again, I think another song, even one like "Ghost Town" or "Drivin' All Night", would be struggling as well, mainly due to Jake's status (he's simply not an A-lister). Maybe he'd be a few positions higher on the radio charts with a different single choice, but I suspect he wouldn't be all that much higher. Aircheck update - back down to #38 +39 spins ... still going the wrong direction. Downloads - This week 6,551 -10% from last weeks 7,318 77,181 total
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Post by Deleted on Oct 4, 2014 9:18:25 GMT -5
Jake's definitely getting run over on the charts a bit. I still like this song as a single choice but I never thought that the success of "Beachin'" would mean Jake is suddenly an A-lister, or that the follow-up to "Beachin'" would go screaming up the charts. Obviously if this was top 30 or better by now the sales would probably be higher as a result, but I wouldn't say it's selling poorly. It's simply not selling like an A-lister's single would do at this stage of the game, and that's because, surprise, Jake Owen isn't an A-list artist. "Beachin'" was huge for him but I think that, even if they'd gone with a more radio-friendly choice like "Ghost Town", it would still be facing some issues right now. Of course there's no way to prove that, but with so many other B and C-list male artists in the 20's, 30's, and 40's on the chart, there are bound to be several songs that lose out, and right now Jake is definitely one of the slowest movers among the bunch. That said, though, Jake is still out-selling several of his peers. Again--I'm not saying that he's not scorching the sales chart right now, but WWAG is positioned well ahead of The Swon Brothers, Eli Young Band, and Big & Rich, and those songs all are/were solid top 20 hits. And Jake is also well ahead of Chase Bryant, Rascal Flatts, David Nail, Brothers Osborne, Hunter Hayes, Dan + Shay, Randy Houser, Darius Rucker, Thomas Rhett, and Chris Young. With this song more or less stagnant on the radio charts right now, though, it's tough for new people to be exposed to it. It's just a really tough chart right now and again, I think another song, even one like "Ghost Town" or "Drivin' All Night", would be struggling as well, mainly due to Jake's status (he's simply not an A-lister). Maybe he'd be a few positions higher on the radio charts with a different single choice, but I suspect he wouldn't be all that much higher. Aircheck update - back down to #38 +39 spins ... still going the wrong direction. Downloads - This week 6,551 -10% from last weeks 7,318 77,181 total I don't know why you're quoting me...I said the song was struggling, didn't I? Looking at all the big releases moving up quickly (Brad, Tim, Darius, Carrie, and now Eric and Kenny too), I don't know why anyone would expect Jake Owen to move up as fast as those other artists are. Still, WWAG is selling on par with Justin Moore, Thomas Rhett, and Randy Houser, and all of those artists are coming off multiple #1 hits. And Jake is out-selling Hunter Hayes, Dan + Shay, Rascal Flatts, and several other songs that are in the top 30 at radio. WWAG was a risky single choice--I don't believe I've ever said anything to contradict that.
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Post by dm2081 on Oct 4, 2014 9:55:30 GMT -5
Aircheck update - back down to #38 +39 spins ... still going the wrong direction. Downloads - This week 6,551 -10% from last weeks 7,318 77,181 total Did Jake Owen cut you off in traffic once or something? You really seem to take enjoyment in this song struggling haha
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Post by countrymusic20 on Oct 4, 2014 13:06:07 GMT -5
Aircheck update - back down to #38 +39 spins ... still going the wrong direction. Downloads - This week 6,551 -10% from last weeks 7,318 77,181 total I don't know why you're quoting me...I said the song was struggling, didn't I? Looking at all the big releases moving up quickly (Brad, Tim, Darius, Carrie, and now Eric and Kenny too), I don't know why anyone would expect Jake Owen to move up as fast as those other artists are. Still, WWAG is selling on par with Justin Moore, Thomas Rhett, and Randy Houser, and all of those artists are coming off multiple #1 hits. And Jake is out-selling Hunter Hayes, Dan + Shay, Rascal Flatts, and several other songs that are in the top 30 at radio. WWAG was a risky single choice--I don't believe I've ever said anything to contradict that. There hadn't been a comment on this thread since Sept 25 ... just updating the progress ... that's all.
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Post by hosssulpizio on Oct 5, 2014 21:16:45 GMT -5
I'ts really sad that "What We Ain't Got" is struggling. I really love this song and I wish it would do better.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 6, 2014 13:54:21 GMT -5
I think this just wasn't the right single choice for radio. Sure Jake Owen's no A-lister but he's had five #1 records out of his past six radio singles. I don't think Jake's still at the point where he'll have a 25-30 week climb to #1 (which "Beachin'" didn't even have, taking 24 weeks to hit the top) and I also don't think "Ghost Town" would be having the same problems on the chart that "What We Ain't Got" is having. RCA was probably hoping to get Jake Owen more critical acclaim and possibly some award nominations by releasing this instead of an obvious, radio-friendly song, but this single looks like it won't make nearly enough of an impact on radio to even be considered for an award. RCA Nashville will surely stick with this Jake Owen record for a few more weeks rather than just pulling it, but I do expect "What We Ain't Got" to peak in the upper 30's or lower 20's by the end of November and a new single (probably "Ghost Town") to be put out in December or January.
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Post by rsmatto on Oct 6, 2014 15:57:39 GMT -5
It's already in the "upper 30s." It also has GREAT Callout America scores with only 3% dislike and 8% 'fatigue' on it. So it may take a little while but I doubt it's done by the end of November.
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