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Post by Pipa on Oct 2, 2014 21:06:54 GMT -5
You know what, I actually agree. It never struck me as an Alt song when I first heard it. But it is New Wave, and that's basically what Alternative was. yep but not all new wave was alt That's like looking at the current chart and saying not all grunge was alt. It doesn't make sense.
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Post by Green Baron on Oct 2, 2014 21:08:07 GMT -5
yep but not all new wave was alt That's like looking at the current chart and saying not all grunge was alt. It doesn't make sense. But it does; some of the New Wave acts were so poppy that I wouldn't consider them Alt.
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Post by Pipa on Oct 2, 2014 21:09:00 GMT -5
That's like looking at the current chart and saying not all grunge was alt. It doesn't make sense. But it does; some of the New Wave acts were so poppy that I wouldn't consider them Alt. "Smells Like Teen Spirit" was a pop hit too.
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Post by Devil Marlena Nylund on Oct 2, 2014 21:10:04 GMT -5
she would rather maintain loyal Alternative rock fans , than frivulous fans just waiting for the latest ring tone. Because that's all fans of pop music ever do.
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Post by Green Baron on Oct 2, 2014 21:11:17 GMT -5
But it does; some of the New Wave acts were so poppy that I wouldn't consider them Alt. "Smells Like Teen Spirit" was a pop hit too. yeah, but it's not a pop song
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Post by Devil Marlena Nylund on Oct 2, 2014 21:13:52 GMT -5
Says you. Seriously though. Pop is mainstream. Therefore, an alternative to the mainstream cannot be pop. If you take the literal meaning of both, sure. But there are PLENTY of bands out there who are described as "pop" and in no way are they mainstream, or even popular. Pop is more described as a sound than it is how famous it is.
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Post by American Idiot on Oct 2, 2014 21:14:07 GMT -5
Does every thread need to be a debate on what should and shouldn't be played on Alternative? Everyone's going to have their own opinion on that and as time changes, what gets send over to Pop and is played on Alternative varies greatly. We're not program directors. What is played on Alternative and Pop is different now than just in the last couple of years. That will change in the next few years as trends in music change as well.
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Post by Green Baron on Oct 2, 2014 21:15:39 GMT -5
Seriously though. Pop is mainstream. Therefore, an alternative to the mainstream cannot be pop. If you take the literal meaning of both, sure. But there are PLENTY of bands out there who are described as "pop" and in no way are they mainstream, or even popular. Pop is more described as a sound than it is how famous it is. I agree on that - pop does not necessarily correspond to popular.
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Post by Green Baron on Oct 2, 2014 21:16:02 GMT -5
Does every thread need to be a debate on what should and shouldn't be played on Alternative? Everyone's going to have their own opinion on that and as time changes, what gets send over to Pop and is played on Alternative varies greatly. We're not program directors. What is played on Alternative and Pop is different now than just in the last couple of years. That will change in the next few years as trends in music change as well. i don't like change :( and yes
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Post by shakermaker on Oct 2, 2014 21:16:40 GMT -5
Says you. Seriously though. Pop is mainstream. Therefore, an alternative to the mainstream cannot be pop. The genre distinction "pop" nowadays is so diverse and broad that it's used more to refer to common song structures in various types of music rather than possessing a "mainstream" quality. Should I classify, say, My Bloody Valentine (who have been classified as dream pop) as mainstream, then? Put it simply, pop β mainstream. The thing here is that you're acting on a rather close-minded mindset of what constitutes both pop and alternative. They're both very, very broad terms that have always been overlapping with each other.
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Post by Green Baron on Oct 2, 2014 21:17:53 GMT -5
Seriously though. Pop is mainstream. Therefore, an alternative to the mainstream cannot be pop. The genre distinction "pop" nowadays is so diverse and broad that it's used more to refer to common song structures in various types of music rather than possessing a "mainstream" quality. Should I classify, say, My Bloody Valentine (who have been classified as dream pop) as mainstream, then? Put it simply, pop β mainstream. The thing here is that you're acting on a rather close-mined mindset of what constitutes both pop and alternative. They're both very, very broad terms that have always been overlapping with each other. MY BLOODY VALENTINE IS NOT POP.
YOU TAKE THAT BACK.
THEY ARE SHOEGAZE!
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Post by Deleted on Oct 2, 2014 21:18:42 GMT -5
sshh
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Post by Green Baron on Oct 2, 2014 21:19:09 GMT -5
don't mislabel legends and I WILL!!!
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Post by shakermaker on Oct 2, 2014 21:22:02 GMT -5
The genre distinction "pop" nowadays is so diverse and broad that it's used more to refer to common song structures in various types of music rather than possessing a "mainstream" quality. Should I classify, say, My Bloody Valentine (who have been classified as dream pop) as mainstream, then? Put it simply, pop β mainstream. The thing here is that you're acting on a rather close-mined mindset of what constitutes both pop and alternative. They're both very, very broad terms that have always been overlapping with each other. MY BLOODY VALENTINE IS NOT POP
YOU TAKE THAT BACKWell, like it or not, they've been classified as dream pop. Go straight to their AllMusic biography and that's one of the genres they fall under. And I've read multiple reviews of Isn't Anything that call it a pioneering dream pop / noise pop album. It's a well-known fact that shoegazing itself originated stylistically from dream pop and noise pop. Which should only further my point that pop and alternative have always been overlapping.
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Post by Devil Marlena Nylund on Oct 2, 2014 21:23:15 GMT -5
Wikipedia says they're two types of pop.
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Post by Green Baron on Oct 2, 2014 21:24:08 GMT -5
MY BLOODY VALENTINE IS NOT POP
YOU TAKE THAT BACK Well, like it or not, they've been classified as dream pop. Go straight to their AllMusic biography and that's one of the genres they fall under. And I've read multiple reviews of Isn't Anything that call it a pioneering dream pop / noise pop album. I thought Loveless was their opus. And I've always known them as shoegaze, not dream pop. You know what pisses me off about MBV the most? The fact that "Only Shallow" peaked at #27 when it should have gone straight to #1. This is a reminder to everyone on this board. Listen to Loveless.
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Post by shakermaker on Oct 2, 2014 21:30:50 GMT -5
Well, like it or not, they've been classified as dream pop. Go straight to their AllMusic biography and that's one of the genres they fall under. And I've read multiple reviews of Isn't Anything that call it a pioneering dream pop / noise pop album. I thought Loveless was their opus. And I've always known them as shoegaze, not dream pop. You know what pisses me off about MBV the most? The fact that "Only Shallow" peaked at #27 when it should have gone straight to #1. This is a reminder to everyone on this board. Listen to Loveless. Don't know if you caught the edit to my previous post in time but: "It's a well-known fact that shoegazing itself originated stylistically from dream pop and noise pop. Which should only further my point that pop and alternative have always been overlapping."
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Post by shakermaker on Oct 2, 2014 21:35:43 GMT -5
Does every thread need to be a debate on what should and shouldn't be played on Alternative? Everyone's going to have their own opinion on that and as time changes, what gets send over to Pop and is played on Alternative varies greatly. We're not program directors. What is played on Alternative and Pop is different now than just in the last couple of years. That will change in the next few years as trends in music change as well. Thank you.
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Post by Cody on Oct 2, 2014 21:37:26 GMT -5
This video completely describes how I feel. Oh man, this guy was speaking so much sense until he said "I don't like much of alternative music these days, other than like maybe Muse and the Black Keys. The Black Keys are going to save music" How ridiculously cliche. Then he said The Black Keys aren't alternative. As our friend novaleks would say: "wut? no. stop" Before the 4 minute mark though he was speaking some sense, then he just lost it after that.
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Post by Shadows in the Dark on Oct 2, 2014 22:17:34 GMT -5
In other, Lorde-related news: And for the record, I'm kinda in the "she belongs on Alternative" train, but I'd still just rather not hear her music simply because I'm not a fan. I also don't think she should become a longtime mainstay.
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Post by shakermaker on Oct 3, 2014 6:06:41 GMT -5
Top 30 on Alternative:
0 27 LORDE Yellow Flicker Beat 510 0 510 3.126
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Post by crash46 on Oct 3, 2014 10:28:58 GMT -5
I was Lorde burnedout (burnouted?) after several months of "Team" but since I never got to hear much of her last two singles, which were pretty great, I've wanted more non-"Team" Lorde hits for awhile now, and this is coming along at just the right time. Yeah, but I'd rather hear this on Pop. I'd rather avoid pop and have everything I'd like to hear in one place, with which Alternative has 2nd best accomplished behind only my Spotify account. That way I can watch pop from afar to root for the occasional crossover track, while never having to hear any of those ridiculous Taylor Swift songs or Iggy Azalia or any of his buddies. Speaking of the Fitz and the Tantrums burnout, that's probably the number one type of burnout for me right now, even though I got excited over the latest single, until I found out "Fools Gold" wasn't a hot Stone Roses remake. Never thought that would ever happen when "MoneyGrabber" was becoming my #6 song of 2011 and was still being played on the radio and in various stores well into 2012.
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Post by Devil Marlena Nylund on Oct 3, 2014 11:57:36 GMT -5
Ok listened to this again and yeah, it fits better on alternative than pop. Just because it has a beat doesn't mean it's a pop song. I also like it. It's not as immediate as her three singles but it does catch you off guard.
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Post by shakermaker on Oct 5, 2014 7:07:24 GMT -5
Top 20 on Alternative:
0 16 LORDE Yellow Flicker Beat 827 0 827 4.415
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Post by Cody on Oct 5, 2014 8:14:04 GMT -5
Ok listened to this again and yeah, it fits better on alternative than pop. Just because it has a beat doesn't mean it's a pop song. I also like it. It's not as immediate as her three singles but it does catch you off guard. But...but...but...but...but...but Saving Abel and Nickelback NEED those spins!
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Post by Green Baron on Oct 5, 2014 9:36:46 GMT -5
Ok listened to this again and yeah, it fits better on alternative than pop. Just because it has a beat doesn't mean it's a pop song. I also like it. It's not as immediate as her three singles but it does catch you off guard. But...but...but...but...but...but Saving Abel and Nickelback NEED those spins! you know what, stop it i don't like those bands. you mean nothing more and ym@6.
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Post by Cody on Oct 5, 2014 11:45:30 GMT -5
But...but...but...but...but...but Saving Abel and Nickelback NEED those spins! you know what, stop it i don't like those bands. you mean nothing more and ym@6. Well, at least there you managed to include at least 1 alternative band.
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Post by Green Baron on Oct 5, 2014 11:56:51 GMT -5
you know what, stop it i don't like those bands. you mean nothing more and ym@6. Well, at least there you managed to include at least 1 alternative band. stop assuming i want generic active on alt i want good active and alt-leaning active
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Post by Cody on Oct 5, 2014 12:14:39 GMT -5
Well, at least there you managed to include at least 1 alternative band. stop assuming i want generic active on alt i want good active and alt-leaning active Oh settle.
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Post by Green Baron on Oct 5, 2014 12:16:19 GMT -5
stop assuming i want generic active on alt i want good active and alt-leaning active Oh settle. SETTLE FOR NOTHING NOW, SETTLE FOR NOTHING LATER!!!!
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