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Post by Adam (UTR) on Nov 11, 2014 11:10:56 GMT -5
ORACULAR SPECTACULAR: Based on early, early sales, it appears that Foo Fighters (Roswell/RCA) will score the weekβs top debut at about 200k. Pink Floyd (Columbia) and Garth Brooks (Pearl/RCA Nashville) are on a collision course for the runner-up slot, with each trending toward 140k. These numbers all but assure that Taylor Swift will spend a third week at #1. Her previous album, Red, experienced a third-week decay of 43% which, if 1989 follows a similar trend, suggests a total somewhere around 225k. Keep in mind, however, thereβs always some uncertainty surrounding Monday projections, and things could look very different tomorrow morning. (11/11a)
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Post by areyoureadytojump on Nov 11, 2014 11:23:23 GMT -5
Good for Pink Floyd.
Bad for Garth Brooks.
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Post by Envoirment on Nov 11, 2014 11:35:32 GMT -5
I was surprised that the Pink Floyd album was mostly instrumental. There's only one song with vocals. Yes. Pink Floyd fans think they'll scan 200k+in their debut week, but it's mostly instrumentals. Only for the die hard fans... I wouldn't be surprised if Pink Floyd did 200k+ or even challenged for the #1 spot. They opened with 75k in the first UK midweek report and look to be on for 120k+ by the end of the week.
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Post by drummerman2009 on Nov 11, 2014 11:46:56 GMT -5
I wouldn't count out the Foo Fighters for #1 just yet. It will be a nail biter between Taylor and them.
Now Garth's numbers have really dropped from yesterday's predictions even if he only gets 150k the first week it would be a huge disappointment for Garth since the first single only made Top 20 on the country charts.
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Post by Clauss on Nov 11, 2014 12:01:56 GMT -5
Yes Taylor!! Get that Buzz from Blank Space!
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Post by kanimal on Nov 11, 2014 13:00:01 GMT -5
Feel like the magnitude of this Garth Brooks disappointment is being understated.
Estimates had been significantly curbed to 250-300,000 based on the lack of interest in the first single and the recent string of country album disappointments. And this number is horrible compared to THAT projection.
It can't even be spoken in the same breath as what was expected prior to the recent adjustments.
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Post by areyoureadytojump on Nov 11, 2014 13:14:44 GMT -5
And Garth is a big chart wh0re so you know he is pissed this afternoon.
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Post by Love Plastic Love on Nov 11, 2014 13:16:46 GMT -5
I assumed Garth would be a pretty easy #1 going against Taylor's third week, but I didn't account for the lack of interest in his new material, Taylor's staying power, or Foo Fighters who I somehow missed would be releasing this week.
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Post by carrieidol1 on Nov 11, 2014 13:17:16 GMT -5
And Garth is a big chart wh0re so you know he is pissed this afternoon. That's what happens when you release garbage... I can't believe he thought 'People' would sell records?
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Post by Glove Slap on Nov 11, 2014 13:20:20 GMT -5
Terrible start for Garth, and this is just a year after he performed very strongly with that box set.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 11, 2014 13:24:44 GMT -5
And Garth is a big chart wh0re so you know he is pissed this afternoon. That's what happens when you release garbage... I can't believe he thought 'People' would sell records? My thoughts exactly. I never feel bad for artists who release crappy material because they think they're untouchable, and radio will literally play anythng they have to offer. I certainly can't object to seeing Garth's ego knocked down by 100 notches....
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Post by popstop on Nov 11, 2014 13:37:16 GMT -5
Four albums over 100K! When was the last time that happened?
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Post by YourFaveIsAFlop on Nov 11, 2014 14:13:54 GMT -5
How will Garth's digital bundle be counted for sales, btw?
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Post by HolidayGuy on Nov 11, 2014 14:49:55 GMT -5
But the Regrets Are Killing Me- Foo Fighters haven't broke 200K yet- there are five and a-half days left in the sales tracking week. Even with all things considered, I expected a higher projection for Garth brooks.
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Post by areyoureadytojump on Nov 11, 2014 18:09:07 GMT -5
www.hitsdailydouble.com/news/rumormill.cgiRAGE AGAINST THE MACHINE: With Garth Brooks' new Pearl/RCA Nashville set, Man Against Machine not on iTunes, the world's biggest digital retailerβit's only downloadable via the Brooks-owned-and-operated Ghost Tunesβthe country icon has possibly cost himself a #1 record. Brooks' PR has always highlighted his astronomical record sales, and his decision to spurn iTunes (the evil "machine" of his album's title) could have cost him another notch on his sales belt. Meanwhile, wonderers are wondering why the Ghost Tunes numbers aren't being reported, especially since other titles on the site apparently are reporting. Meanwhile, are longtime Garth fans even aware he has a new record out? (11/11p)
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Post by YourFaveIsAFlop on Nov 11, 2014 18:43:50 GMT -5
Surprise surprise. His plot to singlehandedly bring down itunes has amounted to nothing.
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Post by Nick on Nov 11, 2014 19:24:11 GMT -5
I assumed Garth would be a pretty easy #1 going against Taylor's third week, but I didn't account for the lack of interest in his new material, Taylor's staying power, or Foo Fighters who I somehow missed would be releasing this week. Who told him to hate on itunes? Good for him and his low sales.
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Post by YourFaveIsAFlop on Nov 11, 2014 19:39:14 GMT -5
My guess is his ghost tunes sales are so absurdly low that theyre embarassed to report the numbers.
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Post by H. on Nov 11, 2014 20:46:37 GMT -5
I hope Foo's will get number one, but I am also glad to see Pink Floyd selling well.
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Post by Devil Marlena Nylund on Nov 11, 2014 22:08:27 GMT -5
WTF is Ghost Tunes?
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Post by 14887fan on Nov 11, 2014 22:10:47 GMT -5
In a nutshell, Garth Brooks' attempt at redefining the entire music industry.
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Post by Glove Slap on Nov 11, 2014 22:14:41 GMT -5
What was Garth's main issue with iTunes? Was it that they take a cut? That they decide the price sometimes and can do sales? Something else?
I find it very hard to believe that iTunes wouldn't have made a flexible deal for someone with his level of stature and success. It just seems like such a stubborn move.
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Post by Devil Marlena Nylund on Nov 11, 2014 22:17:34 GMT -5
It just seems like such a.... poor decision. Like, was it legitimately his idea or someone on his team or what? I can understand if he doesn't want to participate in iTunes but to just go off and make his own digital store, what does he hope to achieve? lmao
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Post by 43dudleyvillas on Nov 11, 2014 22:19:10 GMT -5
Surprise surprise. His plot to singlehandedly bring down itunes has amounted to nothing. I'm not sure I agree that was his intention or his hope. Well OK, maybe I'm kidding myself, and the megalomania was that strong. But given the disorganized way the whole rollout has unfolded (including a mid-July press conference teasing new music and a digital store by the end of July, then a delay in the single release/digital store opening to early September) and Garth's own comments that he expected GhostTunes to be a small slice of the market, I think it's possible that GhostTunes really was just about not giving in to iTunes and the way that it chooses to sell digital product. You know the arguments Taylor Swift has been making re: Spotify about the importance of protecting the writers and producers on her albums? Garth has been making similar arguments for years with respect to iTunes. His point has been that the individual availability of tracks meant that writers of album tracks (as opposed to singles) were going to be consigned to lower royalties than deserved because single availability cannibalizes album sales (i.e., consumers would gravitate toward the radio singles instead of buying the full album, generating mechanical royalties for only the writers of the singles instead of for all of the writers on a project). That doesn't sound like a crazy argument to me. Unlike Taylor, of course, it appears that Garth thought he was arguing from a greater position of strength (as a big album seller) than he may actually be in this market. I'm not especially fond of Garth or his music at the moment. But I was kind of rooting for him to succeed on different terms, just because I think it is healthy for market behemoths like iTunes and Spotify to be challenged by content providers, and because I think debate about who should control the availability/packaging of new music is a good thing. ETA: I should really have provided links & quotes. Here's one to start:As I understand it, Garth's issue with iTunes was its insistence on selling individual tracks -- he wanted his albums sold as full units.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 11, 2014 22:33:50 GMT -5
Garth Brooks introduced me to country and for that i'm somewhat grateful even though they don't do it like him. I hope a country legend gets that top spot over the pop queen of today. I support great music and talent.
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Post by Glove Slap on Nov 11, 2014 22:53:50 GMT -5
As I understand it, Garth's issue with iTunes was its insistence on selling individual tracks -- he wanted his albums sold as full units. This is probably a generational thing, but I find launching your own online store to circumvent this to be too much. And considering that most of his audience is older too and initially got to know his music through physical purchases, he would have been better off just doing a deal with Walmart and leaving it at that. If anything, he could have allowed people who purchased a physical copy to receive free digital versions through a code or serial number. With the amount of control he has over his catalog, I don't believe that that was out of the realm of possibility.
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Post by Devil Marlena Nylund on Nov 11, 2014 23:06:14 GMT -5
Doesn't iTunes have the option to make tracks "album only"?
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Post by Love Plastic Love on Nov 11, 2014 23:10:14 GMT -5
Just curious, was Garth also against the physical singles market in the 90s?
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Post by 43dudleyvillas on Nov 11, 2014 23:11:14 GMT -5
As I understand it, Garth's issue with iTunes was its insistence on selling individual tracks -- he wanted his albums sold as full units. This is probably a generational thing, but I find launching your own online store to circumvent this to be too much. And considering that most of his audience is older too and initially got to know his music through physical purchases, he would have been better off just doing a deal with Walmart and leaving it at that. If anything, he could have allowed people who purchased a physical copy to receive free digital versions through a code or serial number. With the amount of control he has over his catalog, I don't believe that that was out of the realm of possibility. That sounds like it would have been a lot more manageable. If there is something that surprises me here, it's that Garth doesn't appear to have done anything special with Walmart this time around? Or maybe I missed it. He doesn't appear to have tried to bundle his new album with his ticket sales, either, which seems like a missed opportunity (one of many during this rollout).
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Post by HolidayGuy on Nov 11, 2014 23:13:49 GMT -5
"Lost in You" was his only physical single, wasn't it? From what I recall, didn't country acts release cassette/CD singles with less frequency than non-country? In the mid-90s, we had Hot 100/Bubbling Under entries from Reba McEntire, Alan Jackson, etc. And then Tim McGraw, Shania Twain and so on.
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