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Post by crazyfun1 on Aug 28, 2015 20:08:46 GMT -5
Someone said that with the return of Adele that Sam doesn't stand a chance.
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Post by jred on Aug 28, 2015 20:17:44 GMT -5
Maybe if Adele sang "Where Are U Now", then yes, Sam would have no chance. These types of songs seem to work well for him. The ballads are clearly wearing thin.
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Post by Glove Slap on Aug 28, 2015 20:18:43 GMT -5
Was that someone you?
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Post by crazyfun1 on Aug 28, 2015 21:11:30 GMT -5
No it was not me. It was someone on a Facebook thread that was about Adeles return. And thanks for your smarta$$ remark.
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Post by Daryl the Beryl on Aug 29, 2015 4:55:33 GMT -5
Top 30 on Pop:
32 30 DISCLOSURE Omen f/Sam Smith 1919 1738 181 8.549
+36 Spins +33 Bullet -0.112 Audience
Rhythmic:
46 41 DISCLOSURE Omen f/Sam Smith 597 523 74 1.509
-6 Spins -43 Bullet -0.002 Audience
Dance:
15 12 DISCLOSURE Omen f/Sam Smith 208 190 18 0.103
+1 Spin -8 Bullet +0.005 Audience
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Post by Juan Carlos on Aug 31, 2015 8:32:51 GMT -5
MONDAY 8/31 UPDATE:
CHR/Pop: 31 30 DISCLOSURE Omen f/Sam Smith 2140 1871 269 9.47
+ 121 Spins + 58 Bullet + 0.661 Audience
Rhythmic: 43 41 DISCLOSURE Omen f/Sam Smith 598 570 28 1.462
+ 4 Spins - 16 Bullet - 0.016 Audience
Dance: 14 10 DISCLOSURE Omen f/Sam Smith 219 199 20 0.117
+ 5 Spins + 2 Bullet + 0.009 Audience
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Post by jjose712 on Aug 31, 2015 14:30:37 GMT -5
Someone said that with the return of Adele that Sam doesn't stand a chance. You really really really like him. Let's be serious, Sam was a chubby, not particulary handsome gay guy nobody knew that only needed a live tv performance to break into the american market (take his friend Ed Sheeran and compare the efforts needed to break in america). He made a barely successful house song in UK into a hit in the USA without even trying. Unless he came back with something really bad in his new era he is not going anywhere with or without Adele.
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Post by Juan Carlos on Sept 1, 2015 8:34:05 GMT -5
TUESDAY 9/1 UPDATE:
CHR/Pop: 31 30 DISCLOSURE Omen f/Sam Smith 2145 1886 259 9.301
+ 5 Spins - 10 Bullet - 0.175 Audience
Rhythmic: 42 42 DISCLOSURE Omen f/Sam Smith 598 599 -1 1.445
= Spins - 29 Bullet - 0.017 Audience
Dance: 14 10 DISCLOSURE Omen f/Sam Smith 217 196 21 0.114
- 2 Spins + 1 Bullet - 0.003 Audience
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Post by jred on Sept 6, 2015 15:06:00 GMT -5
29 32 DISCLOSURE Omen f/Sam Smith 2120 2021 99 9.084 -80 spins -182 bullet -0.329 audience Welp.
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Post by jax94 on Sept 6, 2015 15:11:17 GMT -5
Wtf? Hopefully its a fluke and starts gaining soon. Edit: mack biebs and swift are taking spins away from everyone right now so let's wait till they slow down
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Post by jjose712 on Sept 6, 2015 16:37:28 GMT -5
Wtf? Hopefully its a fluke and starts gaining soon. Edit: mack biebs and swift are taking spins away from everyone right now so let's wait till they slow down Black Magic had a bunch of bad updates and seems it will be able to rebound. The truth is this song is more made for clubs than for radio, they are probably charting due to the fact they had a big hit with Latch. The song needs time to grow and itunes position is worrisome, so we'll see if radio gives it the time needed
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Post by crazyfun1 on Sept 6, 2015 18:56:20 GMT -5
Wtf? Hopefully its a fluke and starts gaining soon. Edit: mack biebs and swift are taking spins away from everyone right now so let's wait till they slow down Black Magic had a bunch of bad updates and seems it will be able to rebound. The truth is this song is more made for clubs than for radio, Lots of songs on pop are played in clubs because they're made for clubs remixes and all so thats not a valid reason. Truth is so think Sam's management team is more interested in his success in the UK now and not caring about his success in the States.
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Post by jred on Sept 6, 2015 19:03:24 GMT -5
Wtf? Hopefully its a fluke and starts gaining soon. Edit: mack biebs and swift are taking spins away from everyone right now so let's wait till they slow down Black Magic had a bunch of bad updates and seems it will be able to rebound. The truth is this song is more made for clubs than for radio, they are probably charting due to the fact they had a big hit with Latch. The song needs time to grow and itunes position is worrisome, so we'll see if radio gives it the time needed The iTunes position seems fairly normal, actually. "Firestone" and "Hold Each Other" each have about 1M more and 1M less than this, respectively, and Hold Each Other is #137 and Firestone is #134 on iTunes. It's doing alright there. Streaming and airplay are my main concerns for this.
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Post by jjose712 on Sept 7, 2015 8:52:27 GMT -5
Black Magic had a bunch of bad updates and seems it will be able to rebound. The truth is this song is more made for clubs than for radio, Lots of songs on pop are played in clubs because they're made for clubs remixes and all so thats not a valid reason. Truth is so think Sam's management team is more interested in his success in the UK now and not caring about his success in the States. Sorry, but what are you talking about? Sam is on holidays. He has some performances in Europe, and he is not promoting in UK or the USA because he released all his singles, and the albums continue to sell fairly well. Being a constant presence on the media is not a good idea, probably next year he will release his second album and then is when he needs to put all his efforts, because the second album is what will be decisive for his career and not a collaboration single. He was quite generous during Latch era, he promoted the song (when he had his own song on the radio). Right now what he has to do is rest, end his tour and prepare new album. If he is in the country and they book a tv performance i'm pretty sure he will do it, but he is a feature artist here (i don't know if he has writing credits like Latch), so it's Disclosure the ones who have to promote their song. The good thing about collaborations is that the feautured artist benefit from the song's success but it doesn't really affect his/her career if the song flops (and we have plenty examples of that, Rihanna is a good one, or Bruno Mars who can't even him could save Mirror) And of course there are club songs that have airplay, but most club songs don't. Latch was an anomaly, in the USA there'a one house hit by decade (and generally small hits) it's not something radio usually play. Maybe now are more receptive, but expecting this to be a hit out of the gate just because they have a hit last year is expecting too much
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Post by jred on Sept 7, 2015 11:27:22 GMT -5
30 32 DISCLOSURE Omen f/Sam Smith 2077 2141 -64 8.868 -43 spins -163 bullet -0.216 audience
Fuck.
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Post by popbox on Sept 8, 2015 2:10:41 GMT -5
Noooooooooooo!! This was supposed to be the sexy chill song of Autumn damn it!
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Post by crazyfun1 on Sept 8, 2015 6:59:05 GMT -5
Noooooooooooo!! This was supposed to be the sexy chill song of Autumn damn it! Exactly and even Entertainment Weekly named it one of the top songs for Fall. I guess they were wrong about this AND Like I Can.
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Post by allow that on Sept 10, 2015 10:07:56 GMT -5
Bled spins today. Over so soon?
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Post by The Upper Hand on Sept 10, 2015 10:41:40 GMT -5
Hopefully not yet.
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Post by jred on Sept 10, 2015 15:02:33 GMT -5
If it is done, this had a nearly identical run to Kendrick's "i" on Pop.
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Post by Elusive Chanteuse on Sept 10, 2015 16:31:05 GMT -5
I'm disappointed with this. I mean, Like I Can flopped and now this appears to be flopping as well. Hopefully Capitol do something and push this because I feel like if more people heard this, this would be doing so much better.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 10, 2015 18:05:23 GMT -5
I like it, but it's not nearly as good as "Latch," and I don't see it doing nearly as well either. This is looking to be the case, at least in the US. The main reason it's probably doing better than "Latch" in many other countries is because Disclosure and Sam are both way more established now than they were a few years ago. For US audiences, I feel like this comes off similar enough to "Latch" without really standing out on its own. I think in countries where deep house has been more of a force at radio, the similarities may not be as obvious but in the US it's like "Sam Smith/Disclosure/deep house" = same song.
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Post by jred on Sept 12, 2015 9:47:31 GMT -5
32 34 DISCLOSURE Omen f/Sam Smith 1828 2200 -372 8.067 -78 spins -101 bullet -0.406
Welp. I don't get it. It was doing fine last week, it had a +280 bullet.
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Post by tommymonster44 on Sept 12, 2015 21:47:00 GMT -5
I think this song's problem is that people are going to be comparing it to Latch, and Disclosure will never be able to recreate the same feeling that Latch gave people when it was first released. I remember someone commenting that Disclosure shouldn't have started with a Sam Smith lead, and I have to agree with them. You can't beat the original, so they needed to go in a new direction.
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Post by jjose712 on Sept 13, 2015 6:37:02 GMT -5
That's a good idea in theory, but i don't know if it would worked.
Disclosure sound is not commercial, they are not David Guetta or Calvin Harris. The number of house songs that were hits in the USA in the last two decades is very small.
Latch struggled for a good while before becoming a big hit, and only became a big hit after Sam released Stay with me. Sam was everywhere and he promoted latch even when he had a solo song in the charts (and we know he is probably one of the artist who benefited more of live tv, everytime he appears his songs rise on the charts).
Now he is ending his tour, taking some rest, and probably preparing to promote his Bond song which means he is not going to promote this (the same way he didn't promoted his last single which probably would have benefited a lot of a live performance). The problem with releasing another song with another feautured artist is that at least in terms of airplay they probably won't be getting the expossure this had, so there's no real guarantee of working.
Unfortunately it seems radio is done with this and the sales are not good enough to make them have second thoughts
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Post by allow that on Sept 15, 2015 9:55:25 GMT -5
For US audiences, I feel like this comes off similar enough to "Latch" without really standing out on its own. I think in countries where deep house has been more of a force at radio, the similarities may not be as obvious but in the US it's like "Sam Smith/Disclosure/deep house" = same song. I think this is a great point. I actually think "Omen" sounds way more like a typical pop song than "Latch," which was more upfront in house elements and also had some R&B undertones. For that reason, I go back and forth in terms of how "similar" they are. If any other vocalist sang "Omen," I don't think anyone would be quick to draw comparisons to "Latch" based on melody/structure/production. But the fact that the same vocalist is on both songs definitely skews the scale to the "same song" side of things. And Disclosure's label is quite dumb to fall into that trap honestly. They have tracks with Lorde and The Weeknd coming up on their album, so why not launch the era with one of those? I think "Omen" could have been bigger if it had another hit buffering it from "Latch." It's a catchy song but audiences REALLY needed to know that Disclosure isn't a one trick pony first.
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Post by H. on Sept 19, 2015 8:23:58 GMT -5
Why is this flopping?
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Post by The Upper Hand on Sept 19, 2015 18:06:49 GMT -5
Read the post above yours. It's a decent explanation.
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Post by H. on Sept 19, 2015 20:07:48 GMT -5
I think this happened with Clean Bandit last year. Rather Be followed by Real Love.
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Post by jjose712 on Sept 20, 2015 14:33:30 GMT -5
I think this happened with Clean Bandit last year. Rather Be followed by Real Love. Real love was not really pushed to pop radio. In fact Real love (with Years and years' King) is probably one of the worst strategies by a label to make a song success in recent years. Let's be frank, Latch was an anomaly, they are destined to be adored by club music fans, to have great reviews but not to dominate pop charts. When Latch was released (apart of the obvious quality of the song which is very special) the Sam Smith's phenomenon was exploding, and they benefited from that. At that moment the song was promoted with live performnaces, something it didn't happened this time. This will be purged tonight, but even if it wasn't with the James bond theme release it would probably lose all the chances anyway (even when probably that song probably will explode and implode in a question of a couple of weeks)
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