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Post by sabre14 on Jun 4, 2015 14:03:59 GMT -5
Nasty update today!! I want this to make top 40 but today it lost more than half a million in audience. Can this still recover? I just think its lost to much over the week. "Biscuits" made the MB top 40 on the May 4th issued chart. Kacey has actually has lost 2.1 million in audience on MB over the past 25 days (890k this week), so I certainly don't see this doing anything else and I expect a new single shortly after the album comes out.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 4, 2015 20:10:00 GMT -5
Yeah, I think this one is done. It would have gone recurrent on Monday but it was able to get its bullet back (just barely), so it'll get a couple more weeks on the chart yet, but it looks like it's done.
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Post by StrongerThanTheTruth on Jun 5, 2015 10:34:15 GMT -5
She said they will be performing a new song when they are Seth Meyers or Fallon...so I'm wondering if they will start moving on to the next song.
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Post by countrygirl918 on Jun 6, 2015 1:01:48 GMT -5
Apparently the label has been pushing to move the album back to September:
I doubt the album actually will get pushed back to September, as Kacey has already had quite a bit of promo and has lots more coming up (including those TV spots next week). But it's interesting that this is something the label was pushing for. My guess is it's related to the underperformance of "Biscuits" at radio. Perhaps the label wanted to release a different single before dropping the album? It doesn't sound like they're super crazy about "Biscuits," which makes me even more confused as to why it was the lead single.
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Post by .indulgecountry on Jun 6, 2015 1:06:19 GMT -5
Ugh, nooooooooo I can't at this song flopping. The damn music video isn't even out yet. IDGI, this is more accessible to radio than any of her first album's singles and she's clearly connected with the general public and proven she's here to stay. It makes literally no sense for this to not even crack the Top 40. :(
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Post by someguy on Jun 6, 2015 1:12:24 GMT -5
Man I so hope that the album doesn't get pushed back. Kacey has proven herself to be someone who can sell records without much radio play, and I think it would be so dumb for her label to push the album back to September.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 6, 2015 1:28:28 GMT -5
Apparently the label has been pushing to move the album back to September: I doubt the album actually will get pushed back to September, as Kacey has already had quite a bit of promo and has lots more coming up (including those TV spots next week). But it's interesting that this is something the label was pushing for. My guess is it's related to the underperformance of "Biscuits" at radio. Perhaps the label wanted to release a different single before dropping the album? It doesn't sound like they're super crazy about "Biscuits," which makes me even more confused as to why it was the lead single. Very interesting -- thanks for sharing. I think your speculation is right on -- major labels don't like to release albums if the single isn't getting much airplay. But Kacey's one of those unique artists who can (and will) sell without airplay, and I think UMG realizes that, and that this realization is just strong enough to calm their 'nerves' about releasing the album without a hit (top 20 or better). In other words, while they've probably a bit nervous, I think they're optimistic that the music will speak for itself, and that the critical acclaim will lead to good sales, and therefore they're able to overcome their hesitation. Of course, it's super frustrating when you see an artist selling well with only limited airplay. All I can think, in cases like this, is "wow, just imagine how much she would sell if she was getting Jason Aldean-levels of airplay". It really sucks that country radio is so unwilling to take risks. Every once in a while they do -- "Girl Crush" is a shining example of that -- but radio probably would have been content to let "Girl Crush" flounder if the outside variables (sales, social media, overall buzz) never became contributing factors to that song's initial success. I understand why the big business of radio is so risk-averse, but it's still frustrating. I honestly think that if they quit playing such average, samey-sounding material and instead replaced it with meaningful and intelligent material from Kacey as well as Brandy Clark, Lee Ann Womack, Ashley Monroe, Chris Stapleton, Sturgill Simpson, etc, they [radio] would be really surprised at how good the results would be. But it won't happen. Radio stations won't take the risk of radically changing their playlists because they simply don't take risks. I think the only thing that could allow for more intelligent material to get back on the radio would be if the country format fragmented. The whole Nash Icon thing was a decent idea but overall I think it's been poorly executed, and it's just not enough. Ultimately, I think fragmentation hurts the format, but if it were to truly fragment, and one sizable group of stations (and I'm not just talking Cumulus stations, but stations of mixed ownership) started playing more meaningful and intelligent material, perhaps they would get really good ratings...which would lead to a bunch of other stations coming around and thinking "wow, we've been doing it wrong all these years".
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Post by Deleted on Jun 6, 2015 7:23:21 GMT -5
My mid market station has been playing this pretty frequently, but haven't heard it once on the major market station (because they suck). The mid-market also knows who Alan Jackson and George Strait are.
iHeartRadio only HeartsMoney so it doesn't surprise me that they stick with Canaan Smith and Michael Ray.
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Post by layne on Jun 6, 2015 8:23:34 GMT -5
I would like to see Kacey have success at radio but imo this song is just not good. I've been surprised at the people that are surprised this didn't do well at radio. It's the same worn out topic from her and I think it comes across as her trying way too hard to convey the same topic in a more clever way but it's not very clever at all.
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Post by sabre14 on Jun 6, 2015 12:23:50 GMT -5
I would like to see Kacey have success at radio but imo this song is just not good. I've been surprised at the people that are surprised this didn't do well at radio. It's the same worn out topic from her and I think it comes across as her trying way too hard to convey the same topic in a more clever way but it's not very clever at all. I'm not really surprised either at "Biscuits" not doing well (peaked at #39 on MB) but is it really a "worn out topic" if she's only had two singles that offer the same subject? Both of those peaking around the top 40, so most don't even get a chance to hear them anyway. I think "Biscuits" failed because of Kacey's more traditional style and the fact she's a female artist that isn't exactly catering to country radio's targeted audience right now. I'm not going to single any artist out but I think we all know that there are countless artists right now having wild success in terms of airplay, with a "worn out topic."
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Post by layne on Jun 6, 2015 13:12:34 GMT -5
I would like to see Kacey have success at radio but imo this song is just not good. I've been surprised at the people that are surprised this didn't do well at radio. It's the same worn out topic from her and I think it comes across as her trying way too hard to convey the same topic in a more clever way but it's not very clever at all. I'm not really surprised either at "Biscuits" not doing well (peaked at #39 on MB) but is it really a "worn out topic" if she's only had two singles that offer the same subject? Both of those peaking around the top 40, so most don't even get a chance to hear them anyway. I think "Biscuits" failed because of Kacey's more traditional style and the fact she's a female artist that isn't exactly catering to country radio's targeted audience right now. I'm not going to single any artist out but I think we all know that there are countless artists right now having wild success in terms of airplay, with a "worn out topic." Well when you have only released 4 singles and 1 with this topic which was well written failed,I don't think coming back with another as a lead single and one that quite frankly isn't well written is a good idea. Yes to me it feels like this topic is worn out coming from her. We gripe all the time about the men doing this on Pulse, I am not signaling her out.
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Post by sabre14 on Jun 6, 2015 13:20:42 GMT -5
I'm not really surprised either at "Biscuits" not doing well (peaked at #39 on MB) but is it really a "worn out topic" if she's only had two singles that offer the same subject? Both of those peaking around the top 40, so most don't even get a chance to hear them anyway. I think "Biscuits" failed because of Kacey's more traditional style and the fact she's a female artist that isn't exactly catering to country radio's targeted audience right now. I'm not going to single any artist out but I think we all know that there are countless artists right now having wild success in terms of airplay, with a "worn out topic." Well when you have only released 4 singles and 1 with this topic which was well written failed,I don't think coming back with another as a lead single and one that quite frankly isn't well written is a good idea. Yes to me it feels like this topic is worn out coming from her. We gripe all the time about the men doing this on Pulse, I am not signaling her out. I never said leading with "Biscuits" was a good idea. I just think that the topic of this song was not the main factor why it failed. While I too think "Follow Your Arrow" was a better song, that's still my opinion and I'm sure that there are many that find "Biscuits" to also be well written. Of course whether or not a song is well written or not well written hasn't stopped songs from being successful before on country radio. I do understand your point though about this song being too similar to "Follow Your Arrow", even though it doesn't bother me near as much. I wouldn't have led the album with it either.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 6, 2015 13:27:44 GMT -5
I'm not a fan of "Biscuts," but I have a hard time believing the quality/topic are what's hindering it.
Kacey's traditional style is hardly in at radio, and she's a female artist who has a few singles and pretty poor radio traction.
Most Country songs all work within the same or similar topics, and don't even get me started on quality.
Even if she does receive more radio support in the future, it's probably going to take time.
She's not Carrie or Miranda, so I could see her sticking with her style and yet still having fan/industry support, much like Miranda's career pre THTBM.
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Post by jesster on Jun 8, 2015 6:19:03 GMT -5
I don't think it's just two songs with a similar theme and point of view. I'd include Merry Go Round.
Follow Your Arrow being the most positive among the three, but all of them have the song narrator doing a lot of critiquing others as narrow-minded / hypocrites. In so many singles in the early stage of a new artist's career, it's too much for me in that vein and it verges on making Kacey seem like a nag. (If you so often call out others as being judge-y or hypocritical, are you not yourself being judge-y?)
Which is unfortunate as she is a very good performer when I saw her live last year, I'd be interested in more music from her with a greater variety of topics.
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Post by wonderstruck on Jun 8, 2015 9:10:48 GMT -5
www.mikeragogna.com/kacey-musgraves-pageant-material-coming/Mercury Nashville’s Kacey Musgraves will debut new music from her sophomore album, Pageant Material, on The Tonight Show with Jimmy Fallon (June 9) and Late Night with Seth Meyers (June 10). Musgraves will perform her current single “Biscuits,” on The Tonight Show and “Family Is Family” on Late Night. Pageant Material, set for release on June 23, is available for digital pre-order tomorrow and includes instant downloads of both “Family Is Family” and “Biscuits.”
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Post by wonderstruck on Jun 9, 2015 7:39:00 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Jun 10, 2015 1:03:28 GMT -5
I think it's safe to say that "Biscuits" is done. It fell 4 spots to #48 on Billboard last night, with a decrease of 470k in audience. On Mediabase today, it lost another 22 spins and 470k, and it's bullet is -130. It almost certainly won't be able to recover from that.
The silver lining here is that Pageant Material is #1 on the iTunes country albums chart based off pre-orders alone.
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Post by .indulgecountry on Jun 10, 2015 2:56:07 GMT -5
It didn't even make it to the music video or album release. Seriously what the eff country radio. :( :'(
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Post by Deleted on Jun 10, 2015 6:34:31 GMT -5
Well the chart clog is taking victims left and right. First Eric Paslay [Iknow his song was ending but still wanted it to do better then Gloriana [It couldn't hold on for the album release Grr] Gary Allan now Kacey and probably EYB. I'm willing to bet it will claim Raelynn Cam Logan Mize wont re enter and I see Toby falling soon. Ok people who is the next victim due to the chart clogging.
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Post by jrb56 on Jun 10, 2015 7:46:03 GMT -5
There just doesn't seem to be enough spins to go around with so many being given to those near the top. It's sad because there are a lot of good songs that most country radio listeners will never hear. I guess it may have always been this way but it sure seems like it's getting harder to get to a position to get a song heard as the chart runs become longer.
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Post by wonderstruck on Jun 10, 2015 8:01:35 GMT -5
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Post by bjer127 on Jun 10, 2015 8:55:03 GMT -5
The label would be stupid to push this back, September will be SO crowded with other releases, as it usually is, it could hurt sales or chart positions. Regardless of the lead single, this album will sell very well. She has a following and traditional country fans will buy it. I predict it will sell more than her debut, possibly 65-75k range for first week. if the album is as good as all the critics are saying, they won't have to worry about end of year awards lists. It will still make those lists, along with "Traveller"
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Post by countrygirl918 on Jun 10, 2015 10:16:08 GMT -5
Full video is now up here. It really could not be any more country. ;)
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Post by wonderstruck on Jun 10, 2015 12:20:12 GMT -5
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Post by rjz on Jun 10, 2015 19:58:04 GMT -5
Aww, love the video-she does traditional country so CUTE, IMO and gets Kitschy without being demeaning :)
I agree with jrb56 and raylatch98-I think the chart is so clogged and radio is in love with pop/R&B blends along with party songs that there is very little room for songs like this-traditional-especially from a woman.
Doubt it has anything to do with this song's lyrical theme (not that I think it is the same as her previous singles anyway: Merry Go Round 'dare to point out the more difficult aspects of small town life', Follow Your Arrow 'be true to yourself' , Blowing Smoke 'wishful dreams/hopes and reality' and certainly the Keep It To Yourself 'don't drunk dial me for a booty call' singles)-this is a 'don't be mean and judgmental' lyrical theme. Even if her singles had been similar in theme, we all know country radio likes its repeating themes-God, Patriotism, Broken Hearts and Party hearty (this last of course seems to prevail recently).
But was this the right single? Probably not. I think something different, very radio friendly might have grabbed more attention.. But some artists march to their own artistic drummer without compromising for radio (Chris Stapleton, Jamey Johnson, Kacey and others) so hopefully she can keep on collecting an audience (and awards!). Looking forward to the album.
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Post by Gabe on Jun 10, 2015 20:23:21 GMT -5
Great video! Country fans and radio complain that country these days isn't "country" enough, yet a single like this, that screams old-school country is released and they over look it.
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Post by sabre14 on Jun 10, 2015 20:27:05 GMT -5
Great video! Country fans and radio complain that country these days isn't "country" enough, yet a single like this, that screams old-school country is released and they over look it. Radio overlooks it, not the fans. The fans that complain about the lack of actual country music on the radio say that because their local stations overlook songs like "Biscuits."
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Post by cufan7 on Jun 10, 2015 23:15:17 GMT -5
Love the video. When she shows personality it reminds me so much of Teenage Dream era Katy Perry.
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Post by someguy on Jun 10, 2015 23:36:22 GMT -5
The video is so good. It's easily one of the best of the year.
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Post by .indulgecountry on Jun 11, 2015 1:00:18 GMT -5
What an adorable music video! I love everything about it and I think the over-the-top whimsical approach fits the song like a glove, so I'm very happy with the way it turned out. Kacey looks amazing and she shows a lot of personality off in the video, which was nice to see since I know she's been criticized by some for seeming too serious. You can also tell that she really has a deep respect for the genre's roots that I feel was on full display in the video, even though it was so intentionally goofy.
It's a damn shame that this coming out now is probably too little, too late though. I still can't believe "Biscuits" fared so poorly at radio. :'(
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