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Post by tim on Aug 31, 2015 23:58:49 GMT -5
So I gave "Vacation" a listen and maybe I had set the bar so low I was expecting something very atrocious...and yet I didn't mind it as much as I thought I would. I mean, it's not country and probably nothing thats planned on getting released to radio other than just creating some buzz around the albums release. I just take the song is for what it is.
This is a very random thought, but this era of Thomas Rhett is so far giving me vibes of say Alabama's The Touch album from 1986. If you listen to that album I'm sure many back then would say it wasn't country...but now their sound is considered classic. Maybe it's just because they have a song called "Vacation" on that album, but I got a mental flashback to that specific area of country music in the 80's.
I'll admit that I still find "Crash and Burn" to be a guilty pleasure for myself...and I feel almost ashamed for admitting that considering I'm not a fan of mainstream country lol. But it's true...I love this song!
edit: I felt like adding another random thought regarding the style of "Crash and Burn" and "Live Forever" by TBP as both of these songs are wanting to take country music radio into two different directions, and I think it's this style that will end up encompassing the airwaves going into the next year or two on country radio versus the pop fluff of the latter...same goes for the failing run of "Real Life" by Jake Owen.
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Post by mdouty on Sept 4, 2015 0:55:20 GMT -5
Thomas just released "T-shirt" from the new album...
It's not as bad as Vacation (not saying much), but not really sure how I feel about it just yet. It's more country than Vacation in my opinion, but still pretty out there. If you hate bro country, you won't like this one.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 4, 2015 13:35:32 GMT -5
T-Shirt is amazing, and while it isn't exactly country, it's at least countrier than Vacation. Judging for the songs that he has released so far from this album, I am gonna love it. Still, it will be hard to top Kacey Musgraves and Sam Outlaw for my favorite country album of this year
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Post by dm2081 on Sept 4, 2015 14:26:19 GMT -5
"T-Shirt" is really good actually, a pretty good country/rock mix in my opinion. It's going to be a BIG hit if he releases it as a single. And I agree, it's a lot more organized than Vacation, making it sound a lot better. I actually don't hate "Vacation" though, I could see it becoming a guilty pleasure.
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Post by smokebreak on Sept 6, 2015 9:12:58 GMT -5
Sounds like Moves Like Jagger.
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Post by austin on Sept 6, 2015 10:38:48 GMT -5
He is so good. I don't know what it is about him but I am all aboard. T-Shirt is amazing.
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Post by Kentucky25 on Sept 6, 2015 20:22:35 GMT -5
T-Shirt makes me a bit more optimistic about the album, though my anticipation level is low right now after "Vacation" hit my ears.
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Post by straitouttanashville on Sept 14, 2015 11:11:49 GMT -5
Thomas Rhett and his new I am going to be the half as good, rip off, poser, fake Bruno Mars is pretty annoying. I seen him live a couple times and his dancing is awful at best. If I wanted to see Bruno Mars I would buy tickets to his show. I hate the fact that Chris Stapleton had a part in "Crash and Burn", he is one of my favorite artists, but its not his fault Thomas Rhett made a mockary of a well written song. When I first heard this song I had no doubt that this would be a "Country Radio" #1.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 14, 2015 13:41:23 GMT -5
Big Machine seems to handle #1 songs a bit...differently. This peaked at 8257 spins on the Mediabase published chart. That's lower than "Hell of a Night" (8532), "House Party" (8482), "Young & Crazy" (8494), "Loving You Easy" (8495), "Kiss You in the Morning" (8523), "Kick the Dust Up" (8530), "One Hell of an Amen", (8402), "Tonight Looks Good on You" (8517), "Love You Like That" (8327), "Sangria" (8284), and "Love Me Like You Mean It" (8415). I finally get to #1 songs that had lower peak numbers and two of these three turn out to be Big Machine songs as well, "Sippin' on Fire" and "Smoke." The other was "Wild Child" which peaked with a way lower spins total, but that was arguably the most manufactured #1 of the summer. (It fell 1-7 on Mediabase and 1-8 on Billboard and even Randy Goodman and the Country Aircheck staff noted in an article a few months ago that this was a stretch for a #1 that many had written off as a Top 10 peak.)
I guess it's not necessarily that Big Machine isn't capable of getting a song really high spins, as they did a decent enough job with "One Hell of an Amen." What is more likely is that they focus their attention more on their songs that are struggling at the bottom of the chart (which are quite abundant for Big Machine) and don't do much for a song that they know is a shoo-in for #1 anyway. There was no competition for CAB this week, as there wasn't for "Smoke," "Sippin' on Fire," "Sun Daze," or "Make Me Wanna," so I guess Big Machine just has a bit of a different approach when it comes to #1 songs. Their strategy is more along the lines of investing time and money where it's more needed, while other labels go all out for a #1 push even when it's not necessary. This theory makes sense with the OHOAA outlier, as Brantley actually had to compete with Jason Aldean for that #1 and it ended up being a pretty close race, so it makes sense why Big Machine would've done a bigger push and achieved a higher spin total for that #1 than their other #1 songs. Valory knew they had the #1 for Thomas Rhett in the bag last week, so they probably spent the week working on "Ain't No Trucks in Texas," "Honey, I'm Good.," "Until They Don't Love You," and "Stone Cold Sober."
I guess this is just a minor beef I have with Big Machine. It doesn't seem fair that when a song is a big enough hit on its own that it's a shoo-in for #1, it ends up getting played 100-300 fewer times during its #1 week than songs that need more of a push. Just kind of seems counter-intuitive.
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Post by rsmatto on Sept 14, 2015 18:07:34 GMT -5
But it really doesn't matter, really, to radio, or labels like BMLG, if a song is a 'natural' or 'manufactured' chart song. It's still a #1 forever in their eyes, which is the goal with every single, is it not? It seems to me that you're looking for a story that's not really there.
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Post by Marv on Sept 14, 2015 18:22:32 GMT -5
^^^^^^Spot on as always: rest assured that NO label on Music Row or anywhere else gives a bleep about how many spins a song hitting #1 gets upon reaching the penthouse, least if all Scott Borchetta.
Getting to the top by any means necessary has been his #1 fixation at country radio, most notably and notoriously with Taylor Swift.
The number of spins that a song reaching #1 needs to get there varies just as much as a song debuting anywhere on CT4, or reaching the top 20, top 10 or any other threshold.
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Post by rsmatto on Sept 14, 2015 18:30:08 GMT -5
^^^^^^Spot on as always: rest assured that NO label on Music Row or anywhere else gives a bleep about how many spins a song hitting #1 gets upon reaching the penthouse, least if all Scott Borchetta. Getting to the top by any means necessary has been his #1 fixation at country radio, most notably and notoriously with Taylor Swift. The number of spins that a song reaching #1 needs to get there varies just as much as a song debuting anywhere on CT4, or reaching the top 20, top 10 or any other threshold. And a song hitting #1 only influences sales. It isn't dependent on any song's sales success. Radio may pay attention to sales as an indicator of success but they also will 'work' songs that never get much in the way of sales.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 14, 2015 20:03:13 GMT -5
But it really doesn't matter, really, to radio, or labels like BMLG, if a song is a 'natural' or 'manufactured' chart song. It's still a #1 forever in their eyes, which is the goal with every single, is it not? It seems to me that you're looking for a story that's not really there. Yes, I know it doesn't matter to anyone and it doesn't make any sort of difference in the long run. It's just something I've noticed this year with the Big Machine songs that have hit #1, and I guess it just gives us a little insight on what a #1 run might look like when a label doesn't do much promotion. I was merely pointing out what seems to be a difference between the way Big Machine handles promotion and the approach other labels take. I guess I personally care about this a bit more because Big Machine's #1 songs tend to be some of the songs I'm most excited about and the fanboy in me likes to see them reach high, competitive audience totals, but obviously a #1 is a #1 and no one keeps record of airplay totals. I didn't really bring in anything about "natural" or "manufactured" chart runs in my post...Were you talking about how I said "Wild Child" was kind of a stretch for a #1 as a justification for why it had a low peak spin total? To Marv's point, the #1 airplay threshold is a bit more constant than Top 10, Top 20, etc. For example, tonight we have "Live Forever" entering the Top 30 with fewer than 6 million AIs, while two weeks ago the song at #30 had over 9 million audience, and I'm sure everyone who follows the charts knows that there are a range of different scenarios that occur at the bottom of the chart. Sometimes you have an off period where a song can sneak into the 50s with 600-800k, and then there are weeks like this week when songs with over a million audience can't even chart. The airplay for songs at the bottom of the chart tends to be not so evenly dispersed. Sometimes there will be tough competition for the songs in the New & Active section and at the bottom of the chart, while low numbers for the songs in the 40s and 30s (i.e. tonight's chart), while other weeks there will be more airplay for the songs in the Top 30 and the songs at the very bottom will have lower audience totals. The general trend seems to be that, as you get higher up the chart, the numbers are more consistent and even from week to week. #1 songs usually have roughly the same audience total each week. May I ask how sales came into the discussion, though? I'm a little confused by Matt's last post. To follow up on my post earlier, this totaled just over 47 million audience on tonight's Billboard chart. That's over a million lower than Dustin Lynch's "Hell of a Night," which was obviously way less of a hit but received a pretty heavy push from Broken Bow Records. Another piece of evidence to support the idea that songs that have an easier time getting to #1 end up with lower totals is that CAB's total is only 200k lower than Sam Hunt's total two weeks ago, and of course Sam was a shoo-in for #1. Again, I'm not saying this is a story Roughstock should publish an article about, it's just something I find interesting as a chart junkie.
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Post by sabre14 on Sept 14, 2015 21:01:58 GMT -5
This was from Billboard tonight. Some radio personalities were discussing "Crash and Burn" and its success:
Sadly, they're right. Although, the country format does not have a demographic of country music fans listening to their radio stations, so this song being not polarizing in the grand scheme of what has transpired to be hit records lately isn't a surprise at all.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 14, 2015 21:23:38 GMT -5
Billboard's not counting this as Thomas' fourth consecutive #1, since he was featured on "Small Town Throwdown," which peaked at #8 on Country Airplay. For the same reason, they won't say Luke Bryan has a streak of five #1s (as he was featured on "This Is How We Roll" which peaked at #2) or that Carrie Underwood has never missed the Top 3 with a country single (as she was featured on "Somethin' Bad" which peaked at #7). I doubt record labels lose any sleep over what Billboard counts as a streak and they'll still advertise their artists' success however they want, as evidenced by Valory's ad bragging that this was Thomas' fourth #1 in a row, but officially this won't go on the books as a string of four #1 singles on Billboard Country Airplay, even though STT was a Brantley Gilbert song, not a Thomas Rhett song.
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Post by rsmatto on Sept 15, 2015 10:49:07 GMT -5
Billboard's not counting this as Thomas' fourth consecutive #1, since he was featured on "Small Town Throwdown," which peaked at #8 on Country Airplay. For the same reason, they won't say Luke Bryan has a streak of five #1s (as he was featured on "This Is How We Roll" which peaked at #2) or that Carrie Underwood has never missed the Top 3 with a country single (as she was featured on "Somethin' Bad" which peaked at #7). I doubt record labels lose any sleep over what Billboard counts as a streak and they'll still advertise their artists' success however they want, as evidenced by Valory's ad bragging that this was Thomas' fourth #1 in a row, but officially this won't go on the books as a string of four #1 singles on Billboard Country Airplay, even though STT was a Brantley Gilbert song, not a Thomas Rhett song. That makes no sense at all for "Small Town Throwdown" except maybe the fact that it's a Valory Record Co. song and Thomas Rhett is also from there. Billboard will have to clarify that, no way should it count. He wasn't the lead artist (and label won't count it either).
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Post by drummerman2009 on Sept 15, 2015 13:59:02 GMT -5
I read an article from last night's Billboard Country Update that actually compared Thomas Rhett with Brett Eldredge and their soulful voices. That made me LOL into them thinking that Thomas Rhett has a soulful voice where at best it's mediocre. Brett can run rings around Thomas with his soulful voice. It's like they think that Thomas is this paragon of soul and R & B music that has sprung up all of the sudden.
While I like Thomas' version of Bruno Mars' "When I Was Your Man" I really don't think he's a soul singer. That distinction belongs to Brett not Thomas.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 24, 2015 14:41:13 GMT -5
This will definitely go recurrent on the next Billboard chart, as it's already one day away from falling to #11 in spins on Mediabase. "Die a Happy Man" is already picking up some pretty decent airplay, and it's already the #1 country song on iTunes.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 25, 2015 14:51:01 GMT -5
Well, Thomas did it. I know you guys might think I am making a big deal of a very manipulated chart, but it's still so good to see this amazing song being a number one. <3
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Post by mus1cr0w on Sept 25, 2015 17:45:05 GMT -5
Well, Thomas did it. I know you guys might think I am making a big deal of a very manipulated chart, but it's still so good to see this amazing song being a number one. <3 Thomas had little to do with it. Credit his promotion team. And, "amazing song" is debatable. I am more than happy this one is being shows the door. I hope it is not a heavy recurrent. I really like "Die A Happy Man" though. Another #1 for sure. MR
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Post by Deleted on Sept 25, 2015 18:28:38 GMT -5
^What do you mean Thomas had little to do with getting his song to #1? He's the one who found and recorded the song. All the promo team really did was ship this to radio.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 25, 2015 19:51:29 GMT -5
Well, Thomas did it. I know you guys might think I am making a big deal of a very manipulated chart, but it's still so good to see this amazing song being a number one. <3 Thomas had little to do with it. Credit his promotion team. And, "amazing song" is debatable. I am more than happy this one is being shows the door. I hope it is not a heavy recurrent. I really like "Die A Happy Man" though. Another #1 for sure. MR Well, Thomas was the public face who brought this song to radio and country music, so yes, he's responsible (if not completely 100%) for the success. No one said Crash And Burn is a perfect song in everyone's eyes, and didn't mean to suggest it, so there's no need for your "debatable" part of the comment. However, I'm glad you like Die a Happy Man! I keep liking it more and more <3
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Post by mus1cr0w on Sept 25, 2015 20:58:31 GMT -5
Thomas had little to do with it. Credit his promotion team. And, "amazing song" is debatable. I am more than happy this one is being shows the door. I hope it is not a heavy recurrent. I really like "Die A Happy Man" though. Another #1 for sure. MR Well, Thomas was the public face who brought this song to radio and country music, so yes, he's responsible (if not completely 100%) for the success. No one said Crash And Burn is a perfect song in everyone's eyes, and didn't mean to suggest it, so there's no need for your "debatable" part of the comment. However, I'm glad you like Die a Happy Man! I keep liking it more and more <3 You said it was an amazing song. I quoted amazing. Semantics. Glad we can agree on Happy Man. MR
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Post by missbehaving on Sept 27, 2015 12:19:00 GMT -5
I listened to this once and won't listen again. This song is so bad. Sounds like something the Jonas Brothers would release in 2008. His vocals are grating. Can't believe a song like this went #1... terrible.
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