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Post by Ten Pound Hammer on Nov 22, 2007 14:06:31 GMT -5
Well, I saw all these negative comments on this board, and I thought "Whoa! This must be an extremely terrible song!", so I took a listen. I don't think it's quite as bad as what everyone else is saying, but I don't think it's really that great either. I haven't heard any of the other songs on Tim's album, so perhaps if I had, I would hate this song as much as everyone else. I don't know. I'm just curious, has anyone else on this board heard Eddie Rabbitt's version? I have. Then again, this board didn't really like "Last Dollar" (I absolutely loathed that song), yet it went to #1 lol. I think that "Last Dollar (Fly Away)" went to #1 for two reasons: 1.) I actually liked it (so sue me), and 2.) I had placed a bet that it wouldn't make Top 10, so of course it had to go #1... So, who knows what will happen. This song does sound different to me than anything Tim has sung, so that could be a good or bad thing. That's one of the reasons that I've grown to like Tim in the past few years -- I've realized that he's actually got balls now.
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Post by S4C on Nov 22, 2007 14:10:07 GMT -5
Yeah, I have. And I guess I should have mentioned that I do like this as much or maybe even more than the Rabbitt version. Not sure about everyone else... most of y'all probably prefer that version, but that's just me.
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Post by drock89 on Nov 22, 2007 19:46:48 GMT -5
Going back to Tim's apparent love for this particular record, it wouldn't surprise me if Curb is doing this to appease him.
The album itself will probably not move many more records in its current life. You could argue that another massive hit would move the album off the shelves, but in the days of iTunes, I would argue that point.
I think the point of this single is just to keep Tim on the radio in some capacity until the beginning of next year. The song shows that Tim does have an "artistic" side to him, and perhaps he's looking to expose that in the lead up to his next album.
I think another valid argument for the short gap between "Let It Go" and his next album is that McGraw wants off Curb. StyleSonic is probably looking very good now, as is any form of micromanagement, and it would not surprise me to see him ditch Mike Curb in form of self-government.
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Post by Marv on Nov 23, 2007 23:51:32 GMT -5
Does anyone know if his next CD due in the spring will be his last for Curb, or does he owe them another CD afterwards?
With the exception of Toby Keith, nobody has released more stiffs as singles over the past 4 years among the format's megastars than Tim has; in the case of two of those songs ('Last Dollar' & 'Do You Want Fries With That?') liked the stories that the songs told, but I couldn't stand either melody.
Eddie Rabbitt's original was a smash back in the early eighties, and I've always liked it.
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Post by S4C on Nov 24, 2007 11:37:12 GMT -5
Anyone else notice that on today's Mediabase update "Falling Into You" passed "Suspicions"? Either Whiskey Falls has a hit on their hands, or this is going to fail miserably! Hey, let me live in my fantasy world...
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Post by WamuFive on Nov 24, 2007 14:47:55 GMT -5
Well, I saw all these negative comments on this board, and I thought "Whoa! This must be an extremely terrible song!", so I took a listen. I don't think it's quite as bad as what everyone else is saying, but I don't think it's really that great either. Well, that's just it. I personally never said this was an awful song--just an awful choice for a single. There's a difference. You're right, few people will accuse this song of being "great", myself included. In my opinion, he has 3 great choices remaining for singles ("Train #10", "Whiskey And You", and "Between The River And Me") along with a couple of other good choices ("Kristoffersen" and "Let It Go"). Throw in the fact that "I'm Workin'", "Nothing To Die For", and "Shotgun Rider" are strong album cuts and you have 8 songs that are clearly better choices than "Suspicions"--this is what is so vexing. In my very humble opinion, Tim's worst songs are as good as most artists' average songs. Don't get me wrong, I somewhat enjoy listening to Suspicions every now and then--but a great single choice should be more than just a song you enjoy every now and then. It should be a cut above the rest--the kind of song you would prolong a drive home for, imo, particularly coming from a superstar. This song is a very poor representation of the caliber of material that is on his album. I wouldn't blame people for not buying his album based on the fact that the two poorest songs were released as singles (the other being Last Dollar). I don't hate either of these songs, but I've come to expect so much more from Tim.
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Post by WamuFive on Nov 24, 2007 14:54:46 GMT -5
That's one of the reasons that I've grown to like Tim in the past few years -- I've realized that he's actually got balls now. There's ballsy for the sake of being different and ballsy for the sake of being better. I think if they were to release "Between The River And Me", it would be a case of the latter. I think "Suspicions" is a case of the former. I think releasing "Drugs Or Jesus" was a pretty ballsy choice. "Suspicions" makes DOJ sound great by comparison. Truth be told, after hearing DOJ on "Cold Case", I've grown a new appreciation for it. I would now say that DOJ leans more towards the latter now. However, I recall someone on this board writing that "Do You Want Fries With That" was also a ballsy choice for a single. There's nothing wrong with a gutsy choice for a single, as long as it doesn't interfere with the great. Clearly, DYWFWT was a poor substitution for "Blank Sheet Of Paper", which would have made a great, if not obvious choice for a single. Once again, we have another case of a gutsy (moronic) choice in "Suspicions" interfering with several great (intelligible) options.
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Post by WamuFive on Nov 24, 2007 15:06:19 GMT -5
I'm just curious, has anyone else on this board heard Eddie Rabbitt's version? I have. I was curious as to how the original sounded so I gave it a spin. Honestly, I have to say that I like Tim's version much better, which is not saying much at all. I think the original is awful and I can't see why Tim would have ever liked this song to begin with. Just not my style.
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Post by S4C on Nov 24, 2007 15:58:57 GMT -5
All 3 posts, wamufan, say exactly how I feel. Especially this comment, haha:
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Post by somebody60 on Nov 24, 2007 19:37:57 GMT -5
Well, that's just it. I personally never said this was an awful song--just an awful choice for a single. Just checked, and you do seem to be right. I apologize.
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Post by popesa on Nov 27, 2007 15:24:11 GMT -5
Re: Tim McGraw - "Suspicions"
I think it is great and I think as usual Tim has a pulse on what his public wants to hear, maybe he will revive the interest in more of Eddie Rabbit's music...he was a great artist that didn't live long enough to get his due recognition.
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Post by rowdawg21 on Nov 27, 2007 15:28:04 GMT -5
Re: Tim McGraw - "Suspicions" I think it is great and I think as usual Tim has a pulse on what his public wants to hear, maybe he will revive the interest in more of Eddie Rabbit's music...he was a great artist that didn't live long enough to get his due recognition. Judging by people's reactions here, this is not what the public wants to hear.
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Post by Zazie on Nov 30, 2007 16:27:37 GMT -5
I don't know what the public wants, but country radio wants this to move into the top 40 next week. Might be close, but it should get there.
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Post by rowdawg21 on Nov 30, 2007 16:34:01 GMT -5
I don't know what the public wants, but country radio wants this to move into the top 40 next week. Might be close, but it should get there. Yeah, I think it will get there. I can actually seeing it get as high as #37 next week.
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Post by GiggaWho on Dec 3, 2007 13:32:52 GMT -5
I'm a little late to the party, but add me to the list of people who thinks this is an astonishingly bad choice for a single. The song itself and the arrangement are fine. It's just that it's so obviously out of his range in enough crucial parts of the song that it comes off badly. Contrast that with something like "If You're Reading This", which while not a perfect vocal, is very comfortably in his range. So he's able to more than make up for any minor vocal weaknesses through a strong emotional delivery.
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Post by somebody60 on Dec 3, 2007 17:48:31 GMT -5
Slightly off-topic to this song, but since you all keep talking about how there were so many potential singles that were better than this choice, I now have "Let It Go" on my Christmas list.
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Post by 43dudleyvillas on Dec 3, 2007 18:56:42 GMT -5
I'm a little late to the party, but add me to the list of people who thinks this is an astonishingly bad choice for a single. The song itself and the arrangement are fine. It's just that it's so obviously out of his range in enough crucial parts of the song that it comes off badly. Contrast that with something like "If You're Reading This", which while not a perfect vocal, is very comfortably in his range. So he's able to more than make up for any minor vocal weaknesses through a strong emotional delivery. Exactly! This, by contrast, is a soulless vocal, when what appeals about Tim McGraw is the honesty in his voice.
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Post by Diablo Cody™ on Dec 5, 2007 17:47:54 GMT -5
Finally heard this. It's interesting.
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Post by EmersonDrive13Rocks on Dec 6, 2007 6:25:52 GMT -5
I listened to this also and while it isn't terrible it isn't at the level I would expect for a single and if released by a non superstar this wouldn't make top 40 but released by Tim it takes what 2 weeks?
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Post by PinkyD on Dec 6, 2007 19:59:47 GMT -5
Rowdawg21 pegged it exactly! This week the song jumps from #51 to #37 on the Billboard charts...good job there Miss Cleo! :)
I've noticed this CD hasn't sold so well, even with the addition of IYRT, though some stores still haven't gotten the new versions. I work at Borders and we have three copies of the CD in stock, but it's the old one, not the new stripped one...
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Post by WamuFive on Dec 6, 2007 21:49:49 GMT -5
I've noticed this CD hasn't sold so well, even with the addition of IYRT, though some stores still haven't gotten the new versions. I work at Borders and we have three copies of the CD in stock, but it's the old one, not the new stripped one... "Selling well" is a very relative term these days. While RF and Carrie Underwood's new albums will definitely outsell "Let It Go", it's sales are pretty comparable to Kenny's new album and are favorable when stacked up against the new releases from Brad Paisley and Toby Keith. LIG was one of the top five selling country albums of 2007 (#3 or #4 I think). The issue is the longevity. By releasing a substandard single and prematurely ending the era of the album (his next album is supposedly due this spring, making a for very unusual 1 year turnaround between releases for Tim), his album won't have the time to climb towards double platinum which seems to be the benchmark these days for superior sales.
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Post by EmersonDrive13Rocks on Dec 7, 2007 7:23:31 GMT -5
Yeah 2 million these days is the benchmark for superior sales. Tim not selling 2 million though is very underwhelming.
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Post by WamuFive on Dec 7, 2007 13:22:54 GMT -5
Yeah 2 million these days is the benchmark for superior sales. Tim not selling 2 million though is very underwhelming. Right, but I don't think it's because of a lack of qualilty. I think it's a matter of choosing the right singles and letting the album era run it's course. The album has already spawned 3 top 10's and I think you could make a case that there are at least 4 potential top 5's left on the album, a couple of them would be sure-fire #1's back in the good ol' days. I think given another year, the album could definitely reach double platinum status just as his GH Vol. 2 recently did. However, Tim's pulling a Toby and cutting off the legs of the album after just a year, effectively ending realistic hopes of multi-platinum status.
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Post by nncountrykid on Dec 7, 2007 14:10:33 GMT -5
Tim McGraw Greatest Hits Vol. 3 could just be songs that should've been released as singles but weren't. It'd be a ridiculously great CD and probably state the obvious in terms of dropping the ball. Of course it probably wouldn't sell that great, but you get the point.
"The Trouble With Never" "Seventeen" "She'll Have You Back" "Senorita Margarita" "Telluride" "Things Change" "You Get Used To Somebody" "Sing Me Home" "Who Are They?" "Can't Tell Me Nothin" "Something's Broken" "Blank Sheet Of Paper" "I've Got Friends That Do" "Beautiful People" "Whiskey & You" "Between The River And Me" "Train No. 10"
That list is a career for anyone else.
"Telluride", "Blank Sheet of Paper" and "Whiskey & You" are indefensible in terms of not releasing.
Also, A Place In The Sun has to be the deepest CD on the face of the Earth in terms of how many singles could've been top 5
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Post by S4C on Dec 7, 2007 17:11:30 GMT -5
^Haha, I like it. Maybe they could include "Unbroken" (my favorite Tim single) just for kicks since that was left out of his other GHs.
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Post by WamuFive on Dec 7, 2007 18:18:40 GMT -5
I've been compiling a "Greatest Hits That Never Were" cd for years with this guy. I would also add: - "Carry On" - "Somebody Must Be Prayin' For Me" - "A Place In The Sun" - "All We Ever Find" - "Ain't That The Way It Always Ends" Also, don't forget about the fantastic songs that he's sung but never recorded. A few of my favorites include: - "Louisiana" - "The Ride" - "Just When I Needed You The Most"
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Post by Marv on Dec 7, 2007 21:42:50 GMT -5
'Unbroken' also happens to be my favorite Tim McGraw song of all time, and that 'Vol III GH CD' as detailed above would also be ridiculously successful, and indeed a career for someone else.
I'd also add 'That's Why God Made Mexico', which Tim performed on 'The Tonight Show' as 'She's My Kind Of Rain' rose to a two-week non-bulleted stay @ #1 @ R&R, as well as 'Angel Boy', which he performed on Fox's first 'New Years Eve Countdown Show' a few years ago, as other candidates for that GH CD.
But his selections of singles since 'Back When' hit #1 exactly three years ago has been very puzzling, and releasing a new CD in April makes zero sense, since 'Let It Go' has at least three more potential smash singles on it with 'Whiskey & You', 'Between The River And Me', and 'Train #10' standing out IMHO.
But his biggest blunder ever remains not releasing 'I've Got Friends That Do' as the follow-up to 'My Little Girl', followed by not releasing 'Blank Sheet Of Paper' as the followup to 'Back When'.
Either one of those songs would have undoubtedly been a mortal-lock monthlong charttopper, and both would have made very serious runs at being the #1 single of their respective years, something which 'Suspicions' has zero chance of accomplishing.
But then, neither will the equally anemic 'Shiftwork' or that so-so latest snoozefest from Toby Keith, 'Get My Drink On'.
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Post by epjgb on Dec 10, 2007 4:48:40 GMT -5
People that talk about Tim's sales are forgetting one thing he has been competing against himself most of the year. He has had TWO GH albums selling enough to be in the Top 200 all year. His 2000 GH album for many months was selling between 6,000 and 11,000 copies.
There was months that Tim had THREE albums by sales in the Top 15 of the country chart and Top 100 of the Billboard chart.
He is going to be the bestselling Male artsit for the year, and is in the race for Top selling Country artist period. His 2000 GH is going to be the Country Catalog and Pop catlalog album of the year. Many weeks his 2000 GH was selling more than 90% of the country albums on the charts, more than albums from Keith, Dierks and a few others.
So Tim is selling but it is spread over three albums. How many other artsit in all of music can say they had THREE albums by sales in the Billboard Top 100 for months this year.
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Post by drock89 on Dec 10, 2007 11:07:24 GMT -5
Jessie's back.. back again.. guess who's back.. jessie's back!!
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Post by leilamaurizia on Dec 10, 2007 11:23:33 GMT -5
LOL! I was holding back the welcome wagon. My sign would have said "Welcome back, ProudNavyMom!" though. The different usernames are hard to keep track of.
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