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Post by jenglisbe on Jan 15, 2008 20:06:38 GMT -5
This is a bit off-topic but I don't know where the other thread is; I have a question about "if You're Reading This." I just read that the radio release of the song was changed a bit from the ACM performance. What is different?
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Post by drock89 on Jan 15, 2008 23:53:36 GMT -5
I know it was mastered and the quality was probably enhanced so the audio was better for radio, especially those that are broadcasting in HD these days.
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Post by Marv on Jan 16, 2008 1:03:07 GMT -5
If it were up to me, 'Whiskey And You' would be marching up the charts to #1 right now.
I certainly hope that he does not release a new CD until after Labor Day; 'Let It Go' is one of his very finest CDs, and is far from being done either from a retail standpoint or a single standpoint---there are many worthy candidates still remaning for hit singles IMHO.
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Post by Marv on Jan 25, 2008 22:09:09 GMT -5
His label must be really alarmed that this song is already faltering at radio.
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Post by EmersonDrive13Rocks on Jan 26, 2008 5:00:57 GMT -5
His label must be really alarmed that this song is already faltering at radio. They shouldn't be too alarmed since it isn't that good of a single choice.
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Post by carriefan0209 on Jan 26, 2008 15:30:39 GMT -5
Yea I have NOOOOO idea why they released this song. Its horrible for country radio
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Post by someguy on Jan 26, 2008 17:14:53 GMT -5
I think this will still make the top 10, but not go that much further. It's a shame, because he had 4 or 5 songs left on the album that could've been serious contenders for #1.
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Post by Marv on Jan 27, 2008 0:23:44 GMT -5
With the possible exception of Toby Keith, he's botched more choices when selecting singles for release than anybody else in the format over the past 3 1/2 years.
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Post by zaclord on Jan 27, 2008 9:40:51 GMT -5
With the possible exception of Toby Keith, he's botched more choices when selecting singles for release than anybody else in the format over the past 3 1/2 years. yup! and that is why they dont have big number ones that often anymore... i believe Tim's "Live Like You Were Dying" was his last #1 to go over 2 weeks at #1, and toby's was "As Good As I Once Was". and they are both 3-4 years old. someone correct me if i have forgotten a big hit from either artist since then.
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Post by Marv on Jan 27, 2008 20:45:42 GMT -5
You're 100% correct, as both 'Back When' & 'A Little Too Late' managed just one week at #1.
As Bob Kingsley pointed out on 'CT40' this week, Tim spent five weeks @ #1 in January/February 2000 with his wonderful rendition of Phil Vassar's 'My Next Thirty Years'.
It was also six years ago this week that 'My List' entered the charts; it also spent five weeks at #1, and wound up #1 for the year.
But back then, those guys just couldn't miss with essentially anything they recorded.
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Post by zaclord on Jan 27, 2008 22:19:44 GMT -5
But back then, those guys just couldn't miss with essentially anything they recorded. the difference between now and then is, back then, (almost) everything they recorded was good and now they will get hits (not necessarily big hits, but hits nonetheless) just because of who they are. and because they will get a hit with anything, they don't get as much good material anymore. and that leads to some bad songs being played on radio. good examples are Martina McBride, Faith Hill, Tim McGraw, Toby Keith, Alan Jackson (before "Small Town Southern Man"), Brooks & Dunn, and even Keith Urban with his latest album. (you could also include Gretchen Wilson but she only had one good album so she doesnt quite fit with all these legends)
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Post by rowdawg21 on Jan 27, 2008 22:52:59 GMT -5
But back then, those guys just couldn't miss with essentially anything they recorded. the difference between now and then is, back then, (almost) everything they recorded was good and now they will get hits (not necessarily big hits, but hits nonetheless) just because of who they are. and because they will get a hit with anything, they don't get as much good material anymore. and that leads to some bad songs being played on radio. good examples are Martina McBride, Faith Hill, Tim McGraw, Toby Keith, Alan Jackson (before "Small Town Southern Man"), Brooks & Dunn, and even Keith Urban with his latest album. (you could also include Gretchen Wilson but she only had one good album so she doesnt quite fit with all these legends) I don't think the problem is that those artists don't "get as much good material anymore." I'm sure all the artists you mentioned get pitched the best songs Nashville has to offer. I think there are a couple of problems - one is that some of these artists aren't picking good songs to record and the other is that some of these artists aren't taking advantage of Nashville's writers. I'll go through each artist you mentioned a little bit: 1. Martina - I think her latest album had 3 good single choices ("Anyway," "Everybody Does," "House Of A Thousand Dreams"). Only one of these songs has been released so far, and I have a feeling Martina pushed for "How I Feel" to be released since she wrote it. 2. Faith - I liked all her singles from Fireflies although "Stealing Kisses" probably shouldn't have been released since it wasn't radio friendly. The two singles from her Greatest Hits album shouldn't have been picked to be recorded (in my opinion of course). 3. Tim - I think Tim's only problem has been bad single choices. I've enjoyed all his recent albums, but it seems like Tim/Curb always release one or two of each album's worst songs. 4. Toby - I think Toby is a talented songwriter, but I'd like to see him record more songs from Nashville's writers. "Love Me If You Can" hit #1, and it was the only single released from Toby's current album which he did not co-write. 5. Alan - I think Alan just wanted to do something different with Like Red On A Rose, and I like the way that album came out. It didn't have radio friendly songs, but I don't think Alan was worried about that. I have a feeling his upcoming singles from his new album will do well on radio. 6. Brooks & Dunn - They've had some bad single choices too. I think their current album has 3-4 good single choices (Cowboy Town, Johnny Cash Junkie, Cowgirls Don't Cry, and maybe American Dreamer). 7. Keith - I think his situation is similar to Alan's. His lastest album has radio friendly songs, but not to the same extent as his previous albums. Keith might care more about being artistic than radio friendly though, and he'll be successful with whatever he does. One more point - You have to realize that these artists won't be popular forever. Most top artists seem to drop off in radio popularity after 10-12 years. Of course there are rare exceptions to that with George Strait being the obvious example.
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Post by ClevelandRox on Jan 28, 2008 13:55:12 GMT -5
Is anyone hugely surprised that this song is dying at #15?
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Post by hoosy on Jan 28, 2008 14:11:01 GMT -5
^in a word...no.... Several songs from this album would have been better singles....especially Whiskey and You.
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Post by S4C on Jan 28, 2008 16:08:17 GMT -5
I must be one of the only ones then. This is going to sound a little shallow, but he is Tim. The Tim who managed to hit the top with "Last Dollar (Fly Away)." And even if this isn't a lead-off song, I'm still surprised.
Of course, remakes do sometimes do worse off at radio. But I don't think that is the case with this. Just exploring other possibilities, though, since I don't think wheather or not a majority of people liked a song had anything with a song getting top 5 or 10.
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Post by rowdawg21 on Jan 28, 2008 16:16:48 GMT -5
With four songs in the top 10 dropping quickly, I think Curb could easily push this to the top 10. Whether they will or not is a completely different question. The song is still pretty young, but maybe they just want to let it die and get a lead single from his next album out.
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Post by EmersonDrive13Rocks on Feb 6, 2008 7:39:04 GMT -5
This is now starting to drop.
15 14 TIM MCGRAW Suspicions 2539 2671 -132 19.433
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Post by Marv on Feb 6, 2008 11:43:01 GMT -5
Barring a miracle, this appears to be on its way to being his worst-performing chart single in at least THIRTEEN years.
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Post by Jonsolo on Feb 6, 2008 12:01:14 GMT -5
Barring a miracle, this appears to be on its way to being his worst-performing chart single in at least THIRTEEN years. Thirteen years? 2005's Drugs Or Jesus peaked at #14 on Billboard. I know Hit Predictor's been wacky the last couple of weeks, but it's showing Suspicions at #12 this week. Even if that's wrong, I think the song at least made it to #14 this week, equaling that Drugs Or Jesus peak, before it presumably begins to head down. But it does look like it will become Tim's third top 40 song (after Drugs and the non-released Things Change) to miss the top 10. And it's one that all of us saw coming from a mile away.
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Post by someguy on Feb 6, 2008 16:10:21 GMT -5
Tim keeps his bullet and does indeed jump to #12. He could possibly rebound, but that doesn't appear too likely at this point.
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Post by Marv on Feb 6, 2008 18:27:18 GMT -5
I was utilizing R&R for my remark; 'DOJ' peaked at #11 on their chart, matching the peak of 'Indian Outlaw'.
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Post by Ten Pound Hammer on Feb 6, 2008 19:50:41 GMT -5
I was utilizing R&R for my remark; 'DOJ' peaked at #11 on their chart, matching the peak of 'Indian Outlaw'. So Indian Outlaw didn't make Top 10 on R&R (it was a #8 on BB)? That's interesting.
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Post by Zazie on Feb 11, 2008 15:21:22 GMT -5
Looks like Suspicions drops to #16, at least it does if we can believe the recently unbelievable Hit Predictor.
However, Hazel Smith over at CMT predicts Suspicions will go to #1! Stop all this negativity -- success is assured.
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Post by rowdawg21 on Feb 11, 2008 16:50:22 GMT -5
Looks like Suspicions drops to #16, at least it does if we can believe the recently unbelievable Hit Predictor. However, Hazel Smith over at CMT predicts Suspicions will go to #1! Stop all this negativity -- success is assured. I projected it to be #16 and Hit Predictor looks reliable this week, so I think that's right. It would would be nice if they removed all the recurrent songs so we don't instances like four songs at #8 and four songs at #9. And assuming Hazel Smith wrote that in the last week or so, someone needs to tell her that a loss of around 2 million in week #14 while stalling outside the top 10 is not a good formula for a future #1 song.
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Post by lasvegaskid on Feb 18, 2008 14:46:22 GMT -5
Why didn't this do better? I am not a fan of McGraw, remakes in general, or even most Country music, but I thought this was an amazing song.
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Post by zaclord on Feb 18, 2008 15:18:38 GMT -5
^well that makes you one of the 20 people in the world that liked it. not trying to be rude but this was an awful song and 95% of the people here hated it and so did pretty much everyone else. that is by the song bombed
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Post by S4C on Feb 18, 2008 15:36:18 GMT -5
I'll also come out and admit it grew on me.
I don't know why it missed top 10. I still don't believe the whole "Most people didn't like it so it 'flopped'" theory. IDK, that may be the reason why though.
I'm kind of thinking that they wanted to pull it to get on with his next single. Isn't his album scheduled for April 1st? Even if they release the next single inside this week they'd still have to push that back I'd bet. I'd assume that the sooner they got the album out the happier Tim would be.
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Post by rowdawg21 on Feb 18, 2008 15:41:40 GMT -5
I'm kind of thinking that they wanted to pull it to get on with his next single. Isn't his album scheduled for April 1st? Even if they release the next single inside this week they'd still have to push that back I'd bet. I'd assume that the sooner they got the album out the happier Tim would be. I doubt his next album is going to be released on April 1st. Even if they released a great song this week and got it into the top 10 by the week of April 1st, they still have to do promotion for the album. I just don't think six weeks is enough to schedule television appearances and get all that other promotional stuff together.
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Post by Marv on Feb 18, 2008 19:46:28 GMT -5
I agree 100%; there is no way that his next CD, which shouldn't be released until the fall IMHO, can be released six weeks after his next single; that's half the long-running industry-standard practice.
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Post by somebody60 on Feb 18, 2008 20:16:04 GMT -5
I'll also come out and admit it grew on me. I don't know why it missed top 10. I still don't believe the whole "Most people didn't like it so it 'flopped'" theory. IDK, that may be the reason why though. I'm kind of thinking that they wanted to pull it to get on with his next single. Isn't his album scheduled for April 1st? Even if they release the next single inside this week they'd still have to push that back I'd bet. I'd assume that the sooner they got the album out the happier Tim would be. I said a while ago that the song was growing on me, and it still is (I still hear it quite frequently on my stations, so if I didn't follow the charts, I wouldn't have known it had already went recurrent). Also, as I've said, I think this song is much better than "Last Dollar." Having said that, I don't think this song was #1 worthy; however, in my opinion, it was worthy of at least Top 10 status, if not Top 5. I like this song much better than Kenny Chesney's "Shiftwork", which is now in the Top 5. One thing I've noticed is until just recently, "Suspicions" was actually ahead of "Shiftwork" on the R&R Call-out Chart (they both weren't that high, though), yet "Shiftwork" is the song that is flying up the charts. I understand that Kenny is a more popular artist right now than Tim, but I still find that very interesting.
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