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Post by irice22 on Feb 16, 2016 0:57:24 GMT -5
Love her attitude on Twitter, but that's what happens when you change the song you rehearsed.
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Post by itsaboutart on Feb 16, 2016 6:57:37 GMT -5
Taylor made a cute pop album and the committee got it wrong. It isn't Taylor's fault though. It should have won for sure based on the impact it had. It just makes me sad that she is our generations biggest star. Like I want an alanis type star to rule. Who pushes boundaries - where that nightmare lyric is considered genius
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Post by Az Paynter on Feb 16, 2016 10:07:48 GMT -5
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Post by Philippe on Feb 16, 2016 12:27:15 GMT -5
Taylor made a cute pop album and the committee got it wrong. It isn't Taylor's fault though. It should have won for sure based on the impact it had. It just makes me sad that she is our generations biggest star. Like I want an alanis type star to rule. Who pushes boundaries - where that nightmare lyric is considered genius We all have our personal opînions on Taylor, but she is not the biggest star of our generation. She's one of them, but clearly not the biggest one.
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Post by jjose712 on Feb 16, 2016 13:43:04 GMT -5
It should have won for sure based on the impact it had. It just makes me sad that she is our generations biggest star. Like I want an alanis type star to rule. Who pushes boundaries - where that nightmare lyric is considered genius We all have our personal opînions on Taylor, but she is not the biggest star of our generation. She's one of them, but clearly not the biggest one. In terms of crossover interest, hit singles, album sales and media interest she is the biggest star right now and the most consistent one by far
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Post by jjose712 on Feb 16, 2016 13:51:39 GMT -5
not performing ur current single on such a big platform like the grammys is bad business. They don't care about nor need to have #1 singles on Pop charts. They know what they're doing. Yes it's bad business. Adele is selling albums like there's no tomorrow, and this album is a big success no matter how happens fom now on, but this album is a big success becuase her last era was simply amazing. Letting your second single struggle when you could give it a big push is not a good idea. Maybe it has no consecuences (she can do no wrong right now), but if the third single fail to impact the era probably end faster than expected and what's worse the hype for the next album will be considerably smaller (smaller compared with 25, of course). She can sell a lot of albums without a hit single on the radio, Sam Smith did it during a good while and she is way bigger (and she did that on UK with 21 for months and months), but that doesn't change that having a long successful era is better for the reception of the next work. Of course (at least right now) most of the business clear rules don't apply to her because she is a very atypical pop star
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Post by Devil Marlena Nylund on Feb 16, 2016 13:55:15 GMT -5
Adele could choose to stop releasing singles from the album right now, do the tour as planned and leave it at that and the album would keep selling. If this album was a success because "the last era was", what happened with Alanis? And Norah? And Hootie & the Blowfish? And on and on and on. The album already has all the buzz it needs and Adele is the music darling she needs to be. Singles aren't necessary. Nice to have, but not necessary because all bases for the album are covered.
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Post by Philippe on Feb 16, 2016 14:53:08 GMT -5
We all have our personal opînions on Taylor, but she is not the biggest star of our generation. She's one of them, but clearly not the biggest one. In terms of crossover interest, hit singles, album sales and media interest she is the biggest star right now and the most consistent one by far You said it: right now. She's the it girl of the moment but she's definitely not the biggest star of the generation (i.e. of the last 15-20 years).
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Post by jjose712 on Feb 16, 2016 15:07:07 GMT -5
In terms of crossover interest, hit singles, album sales and media interest she is the biggest star right now and the most consistent one by far You said it: right now. She's the it girl of the moment but she's definitely not the biggest star of the generation (i.e. of the last 15-20 years). Nobody, absolutely nobody look at 15-20 years to determine who is the biggest pop star. Pop is about the moment. The biggest pop star releasing music in terms of history is Madonna, but she is not popular right now, she is not the biggest pop star right now. And even if we apply that historic perspective, all her albums sold more than 4 million, no other pop star can say that (yes, i know she was a country star first). In terms of long career only Rihanna comes close, in fact Rihanna has more hit singles that anyboy (but her album sales are considerably lower)
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Post by Philippe on Feb 16, 2016 15:31:37 GMT -5
You said it: right now. She's the it girl of the moment but she's definitely not the biggest star of the generation (i.e. of the last 15-20 years). Nobody, absolutely nobody look at 15-20 years to determine who is the biggest pop star. Pop is about the moment. The biggest pop star releasing music in terms of history is Madonna, but she is not popular right now, she is not the biggest pop star right now. And even if we apply that historic perspective, all her albums sold more than 4 million, no other pop star can say that (yes, i know she was a country star first). In terms of long career only Rihanna comes close, in fact Rihanna has more hit singles that anyboy (but her album sales are considerably lower) You are missing the whole point of the discussion. The original comment made was that she was the biggest star of the (current) generation, which I don't agree. She is currently the biggest pop star (even on that I don't agree, knowing that Adele sold 8 millions in the last 4 months) but not of the current generation. And by definition, a generation cannot be less than 15 years.
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Post by jjose712 on Feb 16, 2016 15:47:48 GMT -5
Nobody, absolutely nobody look at 15-20 years to determine who is the biggest pop star. Pop is about the moment. The biggest pop star releasing music in terms of history is Madonna, but she is not popular right now, she is not the biggest pop star right now. And even if we apply that historic perspective, all her albums sold more than 4 million, no other pop star can say that (yes, i know she was a country star first). In terms of long career only Rihanna comes close, in fact Rihanna has more hit singles that anyboy (but her album sales are considerably lower) You are missing the whole point of the discussion. The original comment made was that she was the biggest star of the (current) generation, which I don't agree. She is currently the biggest pop star (even on that I don't agree, knowing that Adele sold 8 millions in the last 4 months) but not of the current generation. And by definition, a generation cannot be less than 15 years. Sorry, but what are you talking about? A generation in pop music has absolutely nothing to do with 15 years, not even with 10. In pop music you are at the top of the game today and tomorrow you are totally forgotten. The artists that mark the teenage years of some people had nothing to do with the ones who marked the teenage years of someone 5 years older Anyway, this discussion is pointless here. This is the WWAY thread and this has nothing to do with it, so we better focus on the main point of the thread. I think this song is not dead yet, but without the push of a grammy performance i don't think it will go much further
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Post by Philippe on Feb 16, 2016 15:57:28 GMT -5
A generation is a generation. The definition doesn't vary depending on the subject!! Anyway, we agree to desagree.
I still think there will be a video for that song and there's still the Ellen performance coming up this week.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 16, 2016 16:13:57 GMT -5
Without a new video or some other kind of major promo or cause for a major streaming and/or sales boost, WWWY probably won't make it into the top 10 at this point.
With a new video released before airplay starts declining, it's pretty much a guarantee to spend at least one week in the top 10. Lots of streams + increased sales + top 10 airplay = at least 20k chart points (generally = top 10) and maybe even 30-35k-ish (= potential top 5 territory). If the video goes bonkers on Vevo, it could even potentially reach #1 for a week. EDIT: forgot about Ellen. a nice performance of the song, followed by the video on Friday. BOOM! haha. sorry, I can't help myself.
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Post by Envoirment on Feb 16, 2016 16:50:13 GMT -5
I'm thinking the video will be released to cooincide with the BRITS. The BRITS performance will be on a thursday night and releasing the video on Friday 26th should follow nicely to boost the song hugely.
Its airplay seems to be recovering/gaining again - albeit slowly. So if it keeps this up until then, it should be doing quite well.
I mean, "When We Were Young" would be top 10 on iTunes if it wasn't for the grammys by now (#14 with "Let It Go"/"All I Ask"/"Girl Crush"/"Make Me like You"*/"Thinking Out Loud").
*Got a big boost debuting/recording the video during a grammy commercial break.
Hopefully with the grammy boost will be wearing off a bit once the Ellen performance happens (which'll hopefully be "When We Were Young") to boost it back into the top 10 on iTunes!
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Post by mrchartknowitall on Feb 16, 2016 19:10:46 GMT -5
I am the guy who first told you guys that she would NOT be performing WWWY on The Grammys :.. Here's some new news ... I am hearing NO videO .... It was planned and then scrapped .... Not sure why ....
But ... I truly think with ELLEN and increasing sales and streaming this song will go top 10
Praying
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Post by Devil Marlena Nylund on Feb 16, 2016 19:21:58 GMT -5
I actually think Beyoncé might be the pop star of the present generation.
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Post by Caviar on Feb 16, 2016 20:30:20 GMT -5
Beyoncé can't even go top 10 on the pop chart so she's hardly a pop star.
Anyway is she still singing this on Ellen?
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Post by Devil Marlena Nylund on Feb 16, 2016 20:37:31 GMT -5
Beyoncé can't even go top 10 on the pop chart so she's hardly a pop star. Yes because today's generation is based on what is dictated by radio, a decidedly last generation form of entertainment. Bringing it back to this discussion thread, apparently neither can Adele so I guess by default, she's out of the equation too.
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Post by mrchartknowitall on Feb 16, 2016 21:52:56 GMT -5
Beyoncé can't even go top 10 on the pop chart so she's hardly a pop star. Anyway is she still singing this on Ellen? Yes She is performing on ELLEN should almost definitely be YOUNG but I'm hearing NO video
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Post by musicfan134 on Feb 16, 2016 21:57:25 GMT -5
Beyoncé can't even go top 10 on the pop chart so she's hardly a pop star. Yes because today's generation is based on what is dictated by radio, a decidedly last generation form of entertainment. Bringing it back to this discussion thread, apparently neither can Adele so I guess by default, she's out of the equation too. In that case, neither can Taylor.
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Post by Caviar on Feb 16, 2016 22:07:34 GMT -5
Beyoncé can't even go top 10 on the pop chart so she's hardly a pop star. Anyway is she still singing this on Ellen? Yes She is performing on ELLEN should almost definitely be YOUNG but I'm hearing NO video Thanks. I wasn't even expecting a video so no surprise there.
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Post by foxxden on Feb 16, 2016 23:24:18 GMT -5
i live in nyc and there are posters up at the corner of my block advertising this single - quite unusual for a second single. which makes it even stranger why she wouldnt promote this on the grammys.
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Post by balletgirlmom on Feb 17, 2016 0:03:06 GMT -5
I'm hearing this more and more on the radio but of course still hearing Hello all the time.
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Post by Az Paynter on Feb 17, 2016 6:03:10 GMT -5
POP: 14 12 ADELE When We Were Young 8269 8101 168 41.529
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Post by HolidayGuy on Feb 17, 2016 15:03:26 GMT -5
Jumps to No. 20 on the new Hot 100 chart.
Still baffled as to why she didn't perform this the other night, but, like someone said, the single not seeing huge chart positions (compared to "Hello") is not likely to have a negative impact on the album sales. I mean, WWWY has ~15,000 Mediabase spins- it's getting played/heard.
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Post by irice22 on Feb 17, 2016 15:29:04 GMT -5
With all that has been going on with this single, it not having a video, it not being featured in James Corden's show, it not having an adds date, it not being performed at the Grammy's makes me wonder if the label promised the "All I Ask" writers that it would be the second single.
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Post by Kurt on Feb 17, 2016 15:45:10 GMT -5
With all that has been going on with this single, it not having a video, it not being featured in James Corden's show, it not having an adds date, it not being performed at the Grammy's makes me wonder if the label promised the "All I Ask" writers that it would be the second single. "When We Were Young" was officially delivered to radio, though, and has been in Columbia's weekly pop radio update newsletters for several weeks - I feel like they wouldn't even "push" it that much if it wasn't planned as the second single, right? They successfully pushed radio away from "Rumour Has It" when "Set Fire To The Rain" was chosen instead as the official third single from 21, so I feel like they could have easily done that again if they needed.
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Post by DJ General on Feb 17, 2016 16:26:54 GMT -5
She should just release all the songs. Most of Them would be great. I just hope they don't squander wutb and sml. Sml will be an epic #1 in the summer. Radio is ready for uptempo Adele.
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Post by NeRD on Feb 17, 2016 18:23:49 GMT -5
I really hope the AIA performance does in no way mean she will release that next. Its great, but...
SML needs to be next, then WUTB. She really needs to switch things up a bit. Not because she's not selling, which she clearly is, but three balads in a row will be somewhat monotonous.
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Post by Az Paynter on Feb 18, 2016 5:57:33 GMT -5
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