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Post by Nyte on Apr 19, 2016 19:41:04 GMT -5
All right that means the current roster is:
Zayn Desiigner Twenty One Pilots Lukas Graham Rozes G-Eazy DNCE Yo Gotti Post Malone Zara Larsson MNEK Travis Scott Kevin Gates Camila Cabello Bipolar Sunshine Tory Lanez Troye Sivan James Bay
Possible newcomers
Ruth B Disturbed Young Dolph Old Dominion
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Post by Nyte on May 3, 2016 8:23:02 GMT -5
Guys, I think we might have jinxed Disturbed. Man, this sucks, I was hoping they would score their first Top 40 hit but it wasn't meant to be thanks to Prince and Beyonce. Anyways, newcomer:
Jack White - Don't Hurt Yourself
To say the least, I think he'll be a one-hit wonder -- but in the same way that Jimi Hendrix, The Grateful Dead, N.W.A, Lou Reed, Cypress Hill, Blink-182, Incubus, and Gorillaz are.
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Zayn Desiigner Lukas Graham Wizkid Kyla Rozes G-Eazy DNCE Yo Gotti Post Malone Zara Larsson MNEK Travis Scott Kevin Gates Camila Cabello Bipolar Sunshine Tory Lanez Troye Sivan Jack White James Bay
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Post by Deleted on May 3, 2016 10:05:23 GMT -5
Erase Kevin Gates name. Even if Really Really does not hit top 40, it is still well known by anyone and I believe has near 50 Mil views on youtube now. He is no way a 1 hit wonder.
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Post by Nyte on May 3, 2016 10:38:31 GMT -5
Erase Kevin Gates name. Even if Really Really does not hit top 40, it is still well known by anyone and I believe has near 50 Mil views on youtube now. He is no way a 1 hit wonder. It doesn't matter how well-known they are or how many views a song gets, if he only hits the Top 40 once, then he's a one-hit wonder. Until Really Really hits the Top 40, he will remain on this list.
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Post by redrooster on May 3, 2016 11:11:09 GMT -5
The official definition is top 40 and it's going to stay that way whether you like it or not. Guys, I think we might have jinxed Disturbed. Man, this sucks, I was hoping they would score their first Top 40 hit but it wasn't meant to be thanks to Prince and Beyonce. TSOS lost its bullet this week. It wasn't going to happen regardless of what Prince and Beyonce did. If it still had its bullet this week I would probably have assumed that it would rebound into the top 40 next week when all of Prince and Beyonce's songs crash.
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Post by Nyte on May 3, 2016 11:25:06 GMT -5
I have read your thread, and even posted in it. But I'm taking Billboard's official definition over your unofficial definition here.
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Post by Gary on May 3, 2016 12:15:15 GMT -5
Erase Kevin Gates name. Even if Really Really does not hit top 40, it is still well known by anyone and I believe has near 50 Mil views on youtube now. He is no way a 1 hit wonder. It doesn't matter how well-known they are or how many views a song gets, if he only hits the Top 40 once, then he's a one-hit wonder. Until Really Really hits the Top 40, he will remain on this list. My favorite counter-example to this is Garth Brooks. Generally has had nothing hit the Hot 100 top 40 but happened to one day release a pop single that went top 10 on the Hot 100. So by the "official" definition, he is a "one hit wonder" but we all know he isn't.
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Post by Deleted on May 3, 2016 13:25:16 GMT -5
Why exactly is it top 40? You can keep Kevin Gates there all you want, but we all know, especially the peeps in the rap community, that Kevin Gates is definitely not a 1 hit wonder.
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Post by Nyte on May 3, 2016 13:38:52 GMT -5
It doesn't matter how well-known they are or how many views a song gets, if he only hits the Top 40 once, then he's a one-hit wonder. Until Really Really hits the Top 40, he will remain on this list. My favorite counter-example to this is Garth Brooks. Generally has had nothing hit the Hot 100 top 40 but happened to one day release a pop single that went top 10 on the Hot 100. So by the "official" definition, he is a "one hit wonder" but we all know he isn't. Billboard's definition, not mine. They themselves stated that no matter how popular a musician is, if they only had one Top 40 hit then they're are (officially speaking) a one-hit wonder (including Jimi Hendrix and Janis Joplin). Now can we get back to the topic?
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Post by Devil Marlena Nylund on May 3, 2016 13:41:29 GMT -5
Oh, another discussion over the definition of "one hit wonder"?
Good luck
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Post by Gary on May 3, 2016 13:42:52 GMT -5
My favorite counter-example to this is Garth Brooks. Generally has had nothing hit the Hot 100 top 40 but happened to one day release a pop single that went top 10 on the Hot 100. So by the "official" definition, he is a "one hit wonder" but we all know he isn't. Billboard's definition, not mine. They themselves stated that no matter how popular a musician is, if they only had one Top 40 hit then they're are (officially speaking) a one-hit wonder (including Jimi Hendrix and Janis Joplin). Now can we get back to the topic?
Do you have a source for that?
Too my knowledge, there is no standard definition which is why each one of these threads ends up this way.
Everyone has their own thought about what a "one hit wonder" is. You are entitled to use any definition you want. You can even call brand new 2016 acts hitting big with their first single a "one hit wonder" if you want. Doesn't matter
I have seen Billboard one-hit wonder lists use other definitions.
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Post by lyhom on May 3, 2016 13:48:24 GMT -5
lol there's no one "official" definition of one hit wonder
like I think the whole "it has to go top 40 and if it's top 40 it's a hit no matter what" logic is dumb as hell to me but if someone else wants to define it that way be my guest
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Post by Deleted on May 3, 2016 13:50:02 GMT -5
Billboards definition is wrong. I gave lots of examples in the other thread why a top 40 hit on charts can not be an actual hit while a song that was not a top 40 hit could be an actual hit.
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Post by Gary on May 3, 2016 13:53:31 GMT -5
Correct, no two definitions are the same. No two opinions are the same. Even Billboard has no "official" definition.
All one-hit wonder threads in the history of this site have ended up the same way. Everyone thinks they have THE definition but what often happens is that for each definition, there are plenty of counter examples.
So for the "top 40 is a hit" and nothing else is definition. Why there? Why is a song peaking at #41 not a hit?
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Post by Gary on May 3, 2016 13:54:26 GMT -5
Billboards definition is wrong. I gave lots of examples in the other thread why a top 40 hit on charts can not be an actual hit while a song that was not a top 40 hit could be an actual hit. Billboard does not have a definition. No one does. No two lists are the same. No two definitions are the same.
if Billboard generates a list they make define it but that does not mean it is the OFFICIAL definition. The next list could be different.
Example: Their decade end top one-hit wonders of the 00s list was defined as top 10 with your first hit and nothing higher than #25 with anything that followed.
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Post by Nyte on May 3, 2016 14:00:13 GMT -5
Billboard's definition, not mine. They themselves stated that no matter how popular a musician is, if they only had one Top 40 hit then they're are (officially speaking) a one-hit wonder (including Jimi Hendrix and Janis Joplin). Now can we get back to the topic?
Do you have a source for that?
Too my knowledge, there is no standard definition which is why each one of these threads ends up this way.
Everyone has their own thought about what a "one hit wonder" is. You are entitled to use any definition you want. You can even call brand new 2016 acts hitting big with their first single a "one hit wonder" if you want. Doesn't matter
I have seen Billboard one-hit wonder lists use other definitions.
The Billboard Book of One-Hit Wonders defines it as: "An act that has won a position on the national, pop, Top 40 just once" /discussion
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Post by Gary on May 3, 2016 14:06:10 GMT -5
Do you have a source for that?
Too my knowledge, there is no standard definition which is why each one of these threads ends up this way.
Everyone has their own thought about what a "one hit wonder" is. You are entitled to use any definition you want. You can even call brand new 2016 acts hitting big with their first single a "one hit wonder" if you want. Doesn't matter
I have seen Billboard one-hit wonder lists use other definitions.
The Billboard Book of One-Hit Wonders defines it as: "An act that has won a position on the national, pop, Top 40 just once" /discussion Written by a guy that does not work for Billboard but licensed the name in 1997. Lot of other lists have come out since using other definitions, INCLUDING lists out out by Billboard themselves. It is all in how you define it. Feel free to use whatever one you want. My point is there is no right or wrong definition. Simply because there are tons of ways to define this. So feel free to use whatever you like. But there is not an OFFICIAL definition
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Post by Devil Marlena Nylund on May 3, 2016 14:06:22 GMT -5
Good luck calling Garth Brooks or Led Zeppelin or Janis Joplin one hit wonders. You'd rightfully be laughed out of whatever room you're standing in.
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Post by Gary on May 3, 2016 14:10:40 GMT -5
So for the definition on the table, besides the Garth Brooks and Janis Joplin examples
Why would we say #40 is a hit but not #41? Or is it simply because the music journalist who wrote the book in 1997, licensing the name "Billboard" decided to use that?
Why would someone charting big with their very first hit with no time to release a second one, also be considered a "one hit wonder"?
The industry does not call Twenty One Pilots a 'one hit wonder' threads like this one do that.
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Post by Nyte on May 3, 2016 14:12:26 GMT -5
The Billboard Book of One-Hit Wonders defines it as: "An act that has won a position on the national, pop, Top 40 just once" /discussion Written by a guy that does not work for Billboard but licensed the name in 1997. Lot of other lists have come out since using other definitions, INCLUDING lists out out by Billboard themselves. It is all in how you define it. Feel free to use whatever one you want. My point is there is no right or wrong definition. Simply because there are tons of ways to define this. So feel free to use whatever you like. But there is not an OFFICIAL definition Billboard defines "one-hit wonder" as literally only having one hit. If you really have to know my definition, there's two types -- "Billboard" and "Cultural". There's artists who are Billboard OHWs but not Cultural (Jimi Hendrix, Grateful Dead, N.W.A, Cypress Hill, Beck, Blink-182, Incubus, Gorillaz, and The White Stripes) and artists who Cultural but not Billboard (Robin Thicke, PSY, Carly Rae Jepsen, Far East Movement, Kelis, Tommy Tutone, Sisqo, Snow, Vanilla Ice)
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Post by Nyte on May 3, 2016 14:13:02 GMT -5
Good luck calling Garth Brooks or Led Zeppelin or Janis Joplin one hit wonders. You'd rightfully be laughed out of whatever room you're standing in. But LZ isn't a one-hit wonder. Anyways, if I were to say that, I'd point out that it's Billboard's definition and not mine.
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Post by Gary on May 3, 2016 14:17:05 GMT -5
Written by a guy that does not work for Billboard but licensed the name in 1997. Lot of other lists have come out since using other definitions, INCLUDING lists out out by Billboard themselves. It is all in how you define it. Feel free to use whatever one you want. My point is there is no right or wrong definition. Simply because there are tons of ways to define this. So feel free to use whatever you like. But there is not an OFFICIAL definition Billboard defines "one-hit wonder" as literally only having one hit. If you really have to know my definition, there's two types -- "Billboard" and "Cultural". There's artists who are Billboard OHWs but not Cultural (Jimi Hendrix, Grateful Dead, N.W.A, Cypress Hill, Beck, Blink-182, Incubus, Gorillaz, and The White Stripes) and artists who Cultural but not Billboard (Robin Thicke, PSY, Carly Rae Jepsen, Far East Movement, Kelis, Tommy Tutone, Sisqo, Snow, Vanilla Ice) Disagree that Billboard has a definition. I do agree that if they put lists out they will come up with one. But yours wasn't even written by Billboard.
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Post by Gary on May 3, 2016 14:21:41 GMT -5
Your definition - not from Billboard. --- This is...but even then I am sure you could come up with others. Also I am sure Billboard could...and has. Joel Whitburn, who also writes books with the name Billboard on it, uses other definitions btw. www.billboard.com/articles/news/266487/one-hit-wonders-of-the-2000s-page-1"They came, they conquered... they were never heard from again. After reaching the Hot 100's Top 10 with their very first singles, none of these acts managed to crack the Top 25 for the rest of the decade. But hey, four minutes of fame is better than nothing. The one-hitmakers on this list have been ranked by how high their big song climbed on the chart compared to how far down the tally their subsequent highest-charting effort peaked." Basically -- feel free to use whatever definition you want. Just saying there is no official definition
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Post by Nyte on May 3, 2016 14:21:45 GMT -5
Billboard defines "one-hit wonder" as literally only having one hit. If you really have to know my definition, there's two types -- "Billboard" and "Cultural". There's artists who are Billboard OHWs but not Cultural (Jimi Hendrix, Grateful Dead, N.W.A, Cypress Hill, Beck, Blink-182, Incubus, Gorillaz, and The White Stripes) and artists who Cultural but not Billboard (Robin Thicke, PSY, Carly Rae Jepsen, Far East Movement, Kelis, Tommy Tutone, Sisqo, Snow, Vanilla Ice) Disagree that Billboard has a definition. I do agree that if they put lists out they will come up with one. But yours wasn't even written by Billboard. The writer was officially approved by the Billboard magazine, therefore that is the official definition.
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Post by Gary on May 3, 2016 14:27:20 GMT -5
Disagree that Billboard has a definition. I do agree that if they put lists out they will come up with one. But yours wasn't even written by Billboard. The writer was officially approved by the Billboard magazine, therefore that is the official definition. Joel Whitburn also does one-hit wonder lists from time to time with different definitions and he is "officially approved" by Billboard.
Why would he not use the "official definition"?
the link I posted above, really did come from Billboard staff rather than independent contractors licensed to use the name.
Can we complain to them because they did not use the "Official Billboard Definition" that an independent book author came up with long ago?
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Post by Nyte on May 3, 2016 14:29:39 GMT -5
The writer was officially approved by the Billboard magazine, therefore that is the official definition. Joel Whitburn also does one-hit wonder lists from time to time with different definitions and he is "officially approved" by Billboard.
Why would he not use the "official definition"?
the link I posted above, really did come from Billboard staff rather than independent contractors licensed to use the name.
Can we complain to them because they did not use the "Official Billboard Definition" that an independent book author came up with long ago?
The official definition is one hit on the Top 40, that's how the Billboard approved book of one-hit wonders defined it, and that's how the Wiki uses it to define OHWs. Jesus Christ, I thought this was universally accepted knowledge. I mean, seriously, this shouldn't even be a debate.
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Post by Gary on May 3, 2016 14:35:43 GMT -5
It is far from universally accepted knowledge. It is far from the "official definition" even Billboard has put out other lists (I gave you a link to one). Your definition is a definition that was used in a two decade old book.
I accept that this is the 'nyte' definition. I accept that you can use any definition you want. However, others may disagree if you call this the Billboard definition or the industry definition or even the Wiki definition. Wiki can be edited by anybody so just because you read it inWiki does not mean it is true.
Fact is there is lots of definitions. Even Billboard is not tied to one.
The list is defined by the one who creates it. There is no right or wrong answer
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Post by Nyte on May 3, 2016 14:40:32 GMT -5
It is far from universally accepted knowledge. It is far from the "official definition" even Billboard has put out other lists (I gave you a link to one). Your definition is a definition that was used in a two decade old book. I accept that this is the 'nyte' definition. I accept that you can use any definition you want. However, others may disagree if you call this the Billboard definition or the industry definition or even the Wiki definition. Wiki can be edited by anybody so just because you read it inWiki does not mean it is true. Fact is there is lots of definitions. Even Billboard is not tied to one. The list is defined by the one who creates it. There is no right or wrong answer The Wiki defines the OHW based off that -- the industry standard. Until Billboard specifically says anything otherwise, that's what we're going on for this topic and any discussion of official OHWs.
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Post by Gary on May 3, 2016 14:45:22 GMT -5
It is far from universally accepted knowledge. It is far from the "official definition" even Billboard has put out other lists (I gave you a link to one). Your definition is a definition that was used in a two decade old book. I accept that this is the 'nyte' definition. I accept that you can use any definition you want. However, others may disagree if you call this the Billboard definition or the industry definition or even the Wiki definition. Wiki can be edited by anybody so just because you read it inWiki does not mean it is true. Fact is there is lots of definitions. Even Billboard is not tied to one. The list is defined by the one who creates it. There is no right or wrong answer The Wiki defines the OHW based off that -- the industry standard. Until Billboard specifically says anything otherwise, that's what we're going on for this topic and any discussion of official OHWs. The Billboard writer in 2009 should be fired then for daring to put out a list that did not conform to the Wikipedia/Industry/nyte standards. Anyway, have fun with that.
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