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Post by .indulgecountry on Jul 20, 2016 12:52:05 GMT -5
I really hope "The Fighter" doesn't deter them from releasing a fifth single from Storyteller. As much as I'm excited for that to hit radio because I think it'll be a nice hit for both parties (and I enjoy the song), Carrie Underwood is big enough that having a feature out while also charting her own single should be no problem at all (much like Tim McGraw, i.e.) and having Storyteller still running while the Keith Urban feature is a hit could also even help, perhaps, with added visibility for album sales/single sales for the fifth release, too. I'll be gutted if they move on after 4 singles because this is her best album for me yet and there is so much radio potential here, even if she hasn't quite had a "Blown Away" or "Before He Cheats"-sized hit this time around.
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Post by carrieidol1 on Jul 20, 2016 14:09:04 GMT -5
I hope to god "The Fighter" doesn't end the "Storyteller" era... I don't think it will, but that's a terrible thought. At this point I don't think having two songs on the radio at once is a bad thing. It could probably work in Carrie's favor, actually. Exposure is exposure...
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Post by rsmatto on Jul 20, 2016 14:48:53 GMT -5
I hope to god "The Fighter" doesn't end the "Storyteller" era... I don't think it will, but that's a terrible thought. At this point I don't think having two songs on the radio at once is a bad thing. It could probably work in Carrie's favor, actually. Exposure is exposure... In pop it rarely matters. But in country it really does. They don't like artists featured and then leading other singles. It's a rare case when they do. Doubt they (programmers) "allow" her to do that.
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Post by .indulgecountry on Jul 20, 2016 14:54:28 GMT -5
I hope to god "The Fighter" doesn't end the "Storyteller" era... I don't think it will, but that's a terrible thought. At this point I don't think having two songs on the radio at once is a bad thing. It could probably work in Carrie's favor, actually. Exposure is exposure... In pop it rarely matters. But in country it really does. They don't like artists featured and then leading other singles. It's a rare case when they do. Doubt they (programmers) "allow" her to do that. Tim McGraw will have spent the entire year of 2016 with at least two songs at country radio at once though and he's doing just fine (Humble and Kind/Lovin' Lately and then soon to be How I'll Always Be/May We All). I don't see why there'd be an issue with it at all, especially for A-listers. But I guess if it is an issue, there's another example of why radio programmers in the country genre are basically just neanderthals at this point.
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Post by carrieidol1 on Jul 20, 2016 15:08:15 GMT -5
In the very least, I hope the labels work together to time this out. I wouldn't mind if there's a gap between singles #4 and #5 to allow TF to chart and be promoted, but I don't know how willing Arista would be to cooperate with that. Has that happened before where a label waits to release a single while a feature song by another label charts?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 20, 2016 15:26:10 GMT -5
I think the best scenario from a success perspective would've been to have Carrie Underwood release 5 singles ("Dirty Laundry" and "The Girl You Think I Am" preferably and "Choctaw County Affair" gets a particularly special "buzz" video since I have a sneaking suspicion that could ruin Carrie Underwood's Top 5 streak but it'd be featured enough with the CMA fest to warrant a music video. Along with great videos from "Dirty Landry" and "TGYTIA" obviously) and have "The Fighter" as the 6th single from Ripcord while Carrie Underwood is in the studio. That way it serves as a nice bridge in between albums and keeps Carrie Underwood a current radio prescence.
I doubt that Sony could really hold off announcing a new single when "The Fighter" is climbing since whatever Carrie's next single is along with Keith's latest "Blue Ain't Your Color" are gonna probably be climbing real near each other like their last 2 singles have so they'd be leaving around the same time. So if Carrie Underwood is on the charts and it's only with "The Fighter" I believe the Storyteller era would be over as it'd be too long of a gap between single #4 and #5 and I have a suspicion that Carrie Underwood song would take longer to climb than the others (kind of like "Mama's Song").
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Post by .indulgecountry on Jul 20, 2016 15:26:58 GMT -5
In the very least, I hope the labels work together to time this out. I wouldn't mind if there's a gap between singles #4 and #5 to allow TF to chart and be promoted, but I don't know how willing Arista would be to cooperate with that. Has that happened before where a label waits to release a single while a feature song by another label charts? It wasn't on another label per se, but Taylor Swift's Red era was interrupted by the run of Tim McGraw's "Highway Don't Care," for an example. It's possible, but again, I really think there should be exactly 0 issue with radio playing a Carrie Underwood single from Storyteller while also playing a Keith Urban single with some contributions from Carrie. The fact that radio might even be somewhere apprehensive about that is ridiculous to me. raylatch98 you probably already know this and are just stating your preference, but I'd say there's as close to 0% chance of "The Girl You Think I Am" being a single as possible. The only things I can see them releasing at this point are "Dirty Laundry" (likely next), "Choctaw County Affair," "Renegade Runaway," or "What I Never Knew I Always Wanted." The only other song on the album being performed live is "Clock Don't Stop" and there's no way that one gets released, either.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 20, 2016 15:39:11 GMT -5
In the very least, I hope the labels work together to time this out. I wouldn't mind if there's a gap between singles #4 and #5 to allow TF to chart and be promoted, but I don't know how willing Arista would be to cooperate with that. Has that happened before where a label waits to release a single while a feature song by another label charts? It wasn't on another label per se, but Taylor Swift's Red era was interrupted by the run of Tim McGraw's "Highway Don't Care," for an example. It's possible, but again, I really think there should be exactly 0 issue with radio playing a Carrie Underwood single from Storyteller while also playing a Keith Urban single with some contributions from Carrie. The fact that radio might even be somewhere apprehensive about that is ridiculous to me. raylatch98 you probably already know this and are just stating your preference, but I'd say there's as close to 0% chance of "The Girl You Think I Am" being a single as possible. The only things I can see them releasing at this point are "Dirty Laundry" (likely next), "Choctaw County Affair," "Renegade Runaway," or "What I Never Knew I Always Wanted." The only other song on the album being performed live is "Clock Don't Stop" and there's no way that one gets released, either. It was a preference thing overall. Shame then that won't get released more than likely. Out of all of those you listed I'd do "Dirty Laundry" followed by "What I Never Knew I Always Wanted" as that was my second favorite off the album and might resonate really well with people. I'm afraid "Choctaw" might be too polarizing, and I don't care for "Renegade Runaway" all that much.
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Post by carriekins on Jul 20, 2016 15:46:27 GMT -5
In the very least, I hope the labels work together to time this out. I wouldn't mind if there's a gap between singles #4 and #5 to allow TF to chart and be promoted, but I don't know how willing Arista would be to cooperate with that. Has that happened before where a label waits to release a single while a feature song by another label charts? It wasn't on another label per se, but Taylor Swift's Red era was interrupted by the run of Tim McGraw's "Highway Don't Care," for an example. It's possible, but again, I really think there should be exactly 0 issue with radio playing a Carrie Underwood single from Storyteller while also playing a Keith Urban single with some contributions from Carrie. The fact that radio might even be somewhere apprehensive about that is ridiculous to me.It's completely ridiculous, and if true, could be yet another lame double standard against women in country because as you pointed out, radio has given zero effs about Tim McGraw being literally all over this year.
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Post by onebuffalo on Jul 20, 2016 16:57:53 GMT -5
I hope to god "The Fighter" doesn't end the "Storyteller" era... I don't think it will, but that's a terrible thought. At this point I don't think having two songs on the radio at once is a bad thing. It could probably work in Carrie's favor, actually. Exposure is exposure... It can't end the Storyteller era as it is NOT on the album.
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Post by onebuffalo on Jul 20, 2016 17:00:14 GMT -5
I'll be a little surprised if "Dirty Laundry" isn't the next single because it seems so obvious a radio pick. But, of course, I would be thrilled to see "Choctaw County Affair" get its day. jhomes87 's report that Keith Urban plans to release "The Fighter" after "Blue Ain't Your Color" makes me wonder whether Storyteller will stop at four singles, which would be annoying though not unsurprising. This would be one of the most crushing things to happen to any era of hers, especially given how most of Storyteller is infinitely stronger than "The Fighter". Having said that, I can see it happening, though it would be even more inexcusable than when they stopped the Blown Away era for "The Sound of Music Live". I agree. A fifth Blown Away single would have tied in nicely with The Sound Of Music and the start of her partnership with NBC with Sunday Night Football. A lot of wasted opportunities there.
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Post by bboat11 on Jul 20, 2016 17:25:11 GMT -5
I know it is an unpopular opinion around here, but I completely expect "Renegade Runaway" to be released to radio before this era is through... It was the third pre-release from the album, (after "Smoke Break" and "Heartbeat"), and it is exactly the type of Carrie Underwood song that radio usually gobbles up with indiscriminate fervor.
In fact, I would not be shocked if the next two singles are "Dirty Laundry" and "Renegade Runaway", after the Blown Away era saw tracks 1-2-3-4 become singles, and now Storyteller so far has had 5-4-3-(and 2 rumored next).
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Post by Deleted on Jul 20, 2016 17:50:54 GMT -5
I hope to god "The Fighter" doesn't end the "Storyteller" era... I don't think it will, but that's a terrible thought. At this point I don't think having two songs on the radio at once is a bad thing. It could probably work in Carrie's favor, actually. Exposure is exposure... It can't end the Storyteller era as it is NOT on the album. The Fighter is on Keith's album, but they might decide not to release anymore singles for Carrie once the song is released. It wouldn't be that far-fetched, since Carrie didn't release a 5th single from Blown Away because of TSOM. That said, I would be more surprised if Carrie DID get a 5th single at all.
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Post by carrieidol1 on Jul 20, 2016 18:46:27 GMT -5
I hope to god "The Fighter" doesn't end the "Storyteller" era... I don't think it will, but that's a terrible thought. At this point I don't think having two songs on the radio at once is a bad thing. It could probably work in Carrie's favor, actually. Exposure is exposure... It can't end the Storyteller era as it is NOT on the album. Ok... I don't know if you think I don't know that, but I meant in general... Like TF following Carrie's 4th single with no single releases after that.
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Post by desertfloods on Jul 20, 2016 22:14:21 GMT -5
Are they actually going to release TF to country radio?
Regardless, it's not likely an issue to have both DL and TF as singles at the same time. Carrie's part in TF is quite small.
Personally, I think if they stop Storyteller era at 4 singles, it won't be because of needing to make way for TF, but possibly because of other constraints/cost issue with the label. This era hasn't exactly been a shining example of the label's financial backing and promo efforts.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 20, 2016 23:01:42 GMT -5
It can't end the Storyteller era as it is NOT on the album. What???? We are all well aware that "The Fighter" isn't on Storyteller. But if you read the thread, you will see that some people were thinking/worrying that if Keith Urban and his label release "The Fighter" after "Blue Ain't Your Color", it could increase the chances that Storyteller will end after only 4 singles. Thus, a release of "The Fighter" could potentially cause the end of the Storyteller album. I agree with what .indulgecountry said, though - I don't think radio would have an issue with Carrie being on "The Fighter" and having her own single as well. Now, if it started happening all the time where artists had two songs out all the time, then it would be an issue. But in this case, I don't think it would be a problem for radio programmers. As noted, Tim McGraw will be on 2 singles at one time for most of the rest of the year (potentially 3 for a little while, depending on how long "Lovin' Lately" lasts), and let's not forget that Luke Bryan occupied the top 2 spots a couple years ago with "Play It Again" and as a featured artist on FGL's "This Is How We Roll". There are other examples as well, but those are the 2 big ones I can think of.
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Post by 43dudleyvillas on Jul 21, 2016 10:18:56 GMT -5
I don't believe Carrie has mentioned anything about the next project yet, and unless she surprises us with something like "The Sound of Music" or baby #2, I don't expect her to take a big hiatus between albums. That leaves me to believe that it's possible that we will get single #5. "Dirty Laundry" or whatever is next will likely peak around November/December (20ish weeks) so unless Carrie has been writing, I'd think single #5 will come in January. But maybe Carrie will record this fall/winter and we will get the lead single in late summer. Carrie has made it clear that she likes to take her time in between albums, to get off the "gerbil wheel," so to speak, to live life and to let people miss her -- hence the gap of two and a half years between her third and fourth studio albums, and then the gap of three and a half years between her fourth and fifth studio albums. Granted, there was a greatest hits release in between the fourth and fifth studio albums, but I think that's more of an indication that Carrie won't be completely absent from the market in between studio projects. Carrie has said that she doesn't like to write while on the road, and when she's on tour, she wants to focus on touring. With the added development of a baby on tour with her now, I doubt very much that Carrie has been thinking much at all about a new album, let alone writing for one. And unless some fit of inspiration comes her way after the Storyteller tour runs its course, I will be very surprised if she releases a new studio album of original material in 2017. A Christmas album or the traditional hymns/gospel album she is on the record as wanting to do? Maybe. All of this is to agree with you that a fifth Storyteller single would be nice, but Carrie has taken long breaks between albums before without Sony being interested in shortening the gap with a fifth single from an album. Personally, I think if they stop Storyteller era at 4 singles, it won't be because of needing to make way for TF, but possibly because of other constraints/cost issue with the label. This era hasn't exactly been a shining example of the label's financial backing and promo efforts. On the other hand, Carrie's ACM and CMT Awards performances of "Church Bells" certainly didn't look cheap, and even if the "Church Bells" video was a live video, the production value was pretty high. Also (and I will say that I don't fully understand his thinking here), you might be interested to read UMG Nashville chairman/CEO Mike Dungan's recent comment to Hits Daily Double on video expenditures:Doesn't really change my view about the wisdom of a live video for "Church Bells," but that comment struck me, because my going assumption was that a video can be a valuable marketing tool for a single. Maybe labels have come to think that, in country, at least, the ROI isn't there at the moment. I don't know. We are all well aware that "The Fighter" isn't on Storyteller. But if you read the thread, you will see that some people were thinking/worrying that if Keith Urban and his label release "The Fighter" after "Blue Ain't Your Color", it could increase the chances that Storyteller will end after only 4 singles. Thus, a release of "The Fighter" could potentially cause the end of the Storyteller album. I agree with your assessment, but I would put the causal arrows in the other direction. It's well-known (from the 2006 "Find Out Who Your Friends Are" Sony cease & desist mess among other things), that collaborations between artists on different labels, at least in the country world, can be tricky in terms of single releases because all labels are supposed to approve the release. So my thought is that if Capitol Nashville has "The Fighter" lined up for release after "Blue Ain't Your Color," at least on country radio, then Sony Nashville has probably already granted permission for that to happen. And so if Sony Nashville has already granted permission for "The Fighter" to be released next (if it is to be released to country radio), then there's a question of how Sony Nashville thinks that might bear on any possible future Storyteller single releases. Of course, there's also the possibility that Capitol Nashville has a different female singer lined up to sing Carrie's part if Sony Nashville doesn't grant permission -- I tend to think it won't come to that, but one never knows. By the time "Blue Ain't Your Color" and Carrie's next single have completed their radio runs, it will be early 2017, with Storyteller's second holiday shopping season in the books. Carrie could still potentially have 2017 Grammy and ACM performances to plan, but those wouldn't necessarily turn on having her own single to radio. And while it's certainly true that male A-listers like Luke and Tim have simultaneously had a solo single and a feature single on the country radio charts, there's no guarantee that a female A-lister will be treated similarly. One bit of empirical evidence in this regard saw "Somethin' Bad" go Billboard recurrent in "Something in the Water"'s third week charting. Granted, "Somethin' Bad" was over twenty weeks old at that point and it was a full-fledged duet. So it's perhaps not completely comparable. We also saw Miranda's "All Kinds of Kinds" charting at the same time as the Keith/Miranda duet "We Were Us," but it was clear, at least to me, that "All Kinds of Kinds" was treated as a filler single replacing Pistol Annies' "Hush Hush," with no expectation that it would be a contender for the top. Given Carrie's chart record, how likely is it that a solo single from her would be treated similarly? Of the remaining Storyteller album tracks, the ones that I would like to see get major exposure are "Choctaw County Affair" (a priority for Carrie as well, it appears) and "Like I'll Never Love You Again," (which doesn't seem to be on the radar). I love "Chaser" as well, but not for the country world, obviously. And there are other viable options for other reasons -- "Relapse" is not a personal favorite of mine but remains one of Storyteller's top streaming album tracks and both "What I Never Knew I Always Wanted" and "The Girl You Think I Am" have a heartwarming sweetness that people will easily connect to Carrie, her life and outlook (and are each pulling in solid daily streams). I'll be interested to see how it all plays out. While I have definite preferences for a fifth Storyteller radio single and what it would be, I think I might be at least as interested in Carrie and her team finding effective and creative ways to expose several of the album's standout tracks via platforms other than radio.
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Post by sabre14 on Jul 23, 2016 12:01:37 GMT -5
Barring something drastic, "Dirty Laundry" will be Carrie Underwood's next single. The Highway added it to regular rotation this week and my contact in radio said its what he's expecting to be announced in the coming days.
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Post by onebuffalo on Jul 23, 2016 12:04:41 GMT -5
Barring something drastic, "Dirty Laundry" will be Carrie Underwood's next single. The Highway added it to regular rotation this week and my contact in radio said its what he's expecting to be announced in the coming days. I was the first to hint that Dirty Laundry would be the next single: Dirty Laundry as next single? Someone's playing it: DARIUS RUCKER If I Told You 42 373 DUSTIN LYNCH Seein' Red 3 59 LUKE BRYAN Move 1 40 ELI YOUNG BAND Saltwater Gospel 4 39 CARRIE UNDERWOOD Dirty Laundry 1 39
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Post by sabre14 on Jul 23, 2016 12:10:23 GMT -5
"Dirty Laundry" has 15 new spins this week so far according to allaccess.com. So since "Church Bells" run will possibly end in the next couple weeks I'm going to say this could possibly be the next single. "Dirty Laundry" has 15 new spins this week so far according to allaccess.com. So since "Church Bells" run will possibly end in the next couple weeks I'm going to say this could possibly be the next single. It's looking like the next single, unless they have a last minute change of heart. The 15 spins came from KCYY in San Antonio. They're usually on top of these things. Barring something drastic, "Dirty Laundry" will be Carrie Underwood's next single. The Highway added it to regular rotation this week and my contact in radio said its what he's expecting to be announced in the coming days. I was the first to hint that Dirty Laundry would be the next single: Dirty Laundry as next single? Someone's playing it: DARIUS RUCKER If I Told You 42 373 DUSTIN LYNCH Seein' Red 3 59 LUKE BRYAN Move 1 40 ELI YOUNG BAND Saltwater Gospel 4 39 CARRIE UNDERWOOD Dirty Laundry 1 39 Nope.
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Post by .indulgecountry on Jul 23, 2016 13:42:20 GMT -5
But at least onebuffalo was the first to let us know that "The Fighter" was NOT a track on Storyteller though!
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Post by CoJoFan on Jul 23, 2016 15:27:01 GMT -5
"Dirty Laundry" has 15 new spins this week so far according to allaccess.com. So since "Church Bells" run will possibly end in the next couple weeks I'm going to say this could possibly be the next single. It's looking like the next single, unless they have a last minute change of heart. The 15 spins came from KCYY in San Antonio. They're usually on top of these things. I was the first to hint that Dirty Laundry would be the next single: Nope. So if it's not "Dirty Laundry" then what will it be?
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Post by sabre14 on Jul 23, 2016 15:35:40 GMT -5
So if it's not "Dirty Laundry" then what will it be? You missed the joke. Next single is "Dirty Laundry." lol
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Post by 14887fan on Jul 23, 2016 15:46:32 GMT -5
I was the first to hint that Dirty Laundry would be the next single: Dirty Laundry as next single? Someone's playing it: DARIUS RUCKER If I Told You 42 373 DUSTIN LYNCH Seein' Red 3 59 LUKE BRYAN Move 1 40 ELI YOUNG BAND Saltwater Gospel 4 39 CARRIE UNDERWOOD Dirty Laundry 1 39 Thank God we have you.
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Post by Dustin J. on Jul 26, 2016 7:17:11 GMT -5
Thumbs down for "Dirty Laundry"...yet another song whose production absolutely drains Carrie's outstanding vocals.
I simply don't understand why producers want to completely drown out some of these wonderful vocalists with unnecessary, over-the-top production.
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Post by 14887fan on Aug 10, 2016 3:03:38 GMT -5
What kind of random TBT post? Slick move, Carrie. Single #4 has to be DL.
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Post by Massikur2 on Aug 10, 2016 7:40:19 GMT -5
What kind of random TBT post? Slick move, Carrie. Single #4 has to be DL. I thought we essentially had confirmation that "Dirty Laundry" would be the next single.
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Post by camaroguy on Aug 10, 2016 8:50:09 GMT -5
"Dirty Laundry" is definitely the next single, and I'm quite confident "Renegade Runaway" will close out the era.
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Post by 14887fan on Aug 10, 2016 9:35:43 GMT -5
I thought we essentially had confirmation that "Dirty Laundry" would be the next single. We've never had confirmation. Just credible suspicion.
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Post by sgtoddball on Aug 10, 2016 9:37:02 GMT -5
The next project is clearly underway with her having several songs on hold. Doesn't mean she's recording anything but she definitely has started on the next era as far as picking out potential songs etc.
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