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Post by Marooned@Midnight on Jan 24, 2017 17:48:52 GMT -5
It's run will end up looking a lot like POM's, albeit, shorter. This will be the test though... is RCA gonna get its s**t together and push a 3rd single relatively soon, or are we gonna have radio silence for the next 2 months while this dies and disappears? Do you really have to ask? I'd love to be surprised, but we all know what's going to happen here.
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Post by upsidedown on Jan 24, 2017 17:51:42 GMT -5
It's run will end up looking a lot like POM's, albeit, shorter. This will be the test though... is RCA gonna get its s**t together and push a 3rd single relatively soon, or are we gonna have radio silence for the next 2 months while this dies and disappears? Do you really have to ask? I'd love to be surprised, but we all know what's going to happen here. I know. :( I just wish we knew sooner than later if we're even getting a single #3. Although I'd imagine we'll be waiting for another 2 months and then they'll say "oh yeah, this era is done."
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Post by divasummer on Jan 24, 2017 21:19:49 GMT -5
Til The World Ends and IWG were undeniable trend-chasers at the time though and they were both hits. I remember specifically people here saying TTWE sounded too much like Ke$ha's Blow. And then you have Hold It Against Me which would've been the trend starter and that's largely (sadly) forgotten. An undeniable smash is exactly what Better is imo. Catchy and infectious with a relatable/feel good message. It is tricky though, your point on Selena kinda makes me believe it may just be Britney's current place in pop culture. MM and SP may have been hits if released anywhere from '09-'13. It may not even matter the quality of the tracks. That's because that trend was still hot. TTWE w/ its woah-ohs and IWGs whistle hook. The tropical thing has been primarily connected to Bieber and Sia + Lean On - and now a small handful of bad Sia remakes. It didn't latch on to an entire Top 40 playlist like every song in 2011-12 being rehashes of each other. Better would've done ~okay~ early last year - mainly because Britney isn't that hot anymore. Now would be a great time for her to put something out that's opposite to trends. + she should not do any kind of DJ mess. That's not going to benefit her in any way in the long run (see : S&S). I think I agree with most of what your saying. Even though I LOVE "Better" and I like "Slumber Party". Something seems slightly stale about them and Britney always had her own sound. I'm not saying I don't like them. The first song I bought from this cd after "Make Me" was "Love me Down" and i'm not even sure about that now. Something against the trend may be best...
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Post by vithor on Jan 24, 2017 22:07:03 GMT -5
It's run will end up looking a lot like POM's, albeit, shorter. This will be the test though... is RCA gonna get its s**t together and push a 3rd single relatively soon, or are we gonna have radio silence for the next 2 months while this dies and disappears? I don't even think there'll be a 3rd single after the treatment we got for this
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Post by Cheese305 on Jan 25, 2017 10:35:07 GMT -5
I don't think there will be a third single and I hope there isn't. After the best song on the album flopped with such an amazing video it's basically hopeless. The best thing her team can do is have her featured in a couple hit singles by some random "hot" DJs to keep her name out there and build some hype for her next album. Britney is Britney, she will never be completely irrelevant like some of her peers but it's clear her name alone isn't enough to push singles to #1 anymore, the young generation see her as a washed up Vegas act, and sadly they're right. Vegas was good for her and fun for a couple years but it's damaging her legacy at this point, she needs to stop. I could still see Britney putting out another couple of amazing albums and #1 singles in the upcoming years and having a huge comeback ala Circus, she's got the body, the energy and seems to be in a good place mentally, but it's time to move on.
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Post by divasummer on Jan 25, 2017 11:36:37 GMT -5
^^^ I kind of agree with your post except I think she lacks a little energy in a lot of her performances.^^^ Britney used to be known for her stage performances. People looked forward to what she was going to do. Now she's known as average to good compared to other performers when she's on a show with other's.
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Post by Marooned@Midnight on Jan 25, 2017 12:03:33 GMT -5
^^What you're both missing out of your assessments is the only factor that even matters - what Britney wants out of all of this. I think making her bankroll in Vegas, while still having ample time for her kids and personal life, and still being able to be creative and record music is much more in line with what she wants out of her life than what most fans would have her do. She doesn't need sales or hits. She's had those, millions of times over. It seems to me like she just wants her happy life that she's built for herself and there's nothing wrong with that.
It's still very frustrating to see single rollouts like we have though. To me, you can have all of the above and still have a proper single campaign, with no more effort than she's already putting in.
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Post by divasummer on Jan 25, 2017 12:54:44 GMT -5
^^What you're both missing out of your assessments is the only factor that even matters - what Britney wants out of all of this. I think making her bankroll in Vegas, while still having ample time for her kids and personal life, and still being able to be creative and record music is much more in line with what she wants out of her life than what most fans would have her do. She doesn't need sales or hits. She's had those, millions of times over. It seems to me like she just wants her happy life that she's built for herself and there's nothing wrong with that. It's still very frustrating to see single rollouts like we have though. To me, you can have all of the above and still have a proper single campaign, with no more effort than she's already putting in. I SO agree with you but it doesn't change anything. She still lacks a lot of energy on stage and her sales and airplay are pretty low now. She's still a superstar. So is Xtina. It's great she's at the point in her career/life where she just wants to make her living and call it a day. She probably doesn't want to play the game anymore but the music she does kind of makes it seems like she does or sometimes her label does? I can tell she's happy and i'm happy she is personally happy too. I like Britney a lot. Most people on this board I'm assuming are like me. Caring about promo appearances, chart sales, airplay, videos etc. Most are always are going to care about what myself and the other poster were missing.
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Post by slayZ on Jan 25, 2017 16:42:54 GMT -5
I don't think there will be a third single and I hope there isn't. After the best song on the album flopped with such an amazing video it's basically hopeless. The best thing her team can do is have her featured in a couple hit singles by some random "hot" DJs to keep her name out there and build some hype for her next album. Britney is Britney, she will never be completely irrelevant like some of her peers but it's clear her name alone isn't enough to push singles to #1 anymore, the young generation see her as a washed up Vegas act, and sadly they're right. Vegas was good for her and fun for a couple years but it's damaging her legacy at this point, she needs to stop. I could still see Britney putting out another couple of amazing albums and #1 singles in the upcoming years and having a huge comeback ala Circus, she's got the body, the energy and seems to be in a good place mentally, but it's time to move on. That's the problem though... Slumber Party has always been a weak choice for single #2. There are at least two tracks on the album that could have followed up Make Me and would have done better - Better and Love Me Down. No one is here for Britney and her midtempos. They want bops...
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Post by upsidedown on Jan 25, 2017 16:53:04 GMT -5
I don't think there will be a third single and I hope there isn't. After the best song on the album flopped with such an amazing video it's basically hopeless. The best thing her team can do is have her featured in a couple hit singles by some random "hot" DJs to keep her name out there and build some hype for her next album. Britney is Britney, she will never be completely irrelevant like some of her peers but it's clear her name alone isn't enough to push singles to #1 anymore, the young generation see her as a washed up Vegas act, and sadly they're right. Vegas was good for her and fun for a couple years but it's damaging her legacy at this point, she needs to stop. I could still see Britney putting out another couple of amazing albums and #1 singles in the upcoming years and having a huge comeback ala Circus, she's got the body, the energy and seems to be in a good place mentally, but it's time to move on. That's the problem though... Slumber Party has always been a weak choice for single #2. There are at least two tracks on the album that could have followed up Make Me and would have done better - Better and Love Me Down. No one is here for Britney and her midtempos. They want bops... This is true. Look at Scream and Shout, even. It did well b/c it was a bop. Same with TTWE and IWG. Same with Womanizer and Circus. Whenever she tries to go down the route of non-bop territory, even with IUSA, it doesn't do as well. Criminal peaked at #20 after she was riding high with HIAM, TTWE and IWG being Top 3 Pop radio hits. Look at Perfume. It sucks, but the public just isn't really here for a Britney midtempo. They want Britney to do the dance pop bops. That's why I'd be really excited to see what her and Max or like her and DJ Snake or something would come up with in 2017.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 25, 2017 17:46:41 GMT -5
^ I was really surprised when Criminal flopped. I still think it's a great song and the video was really good too--
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Post by pnobelysk on Jan 26, 2017 10:21:13 GMT -5
^^What you're both missing out of your assessments is the only factor that even matters - what Britney wants out of all of this. I think making her bankroll in Vegas, while still having ample time for her kids and personal life, and still being able to be creative and record music is much more in line with what she wants out of her life than what most fans would have her do. She doesn't need sales or hits. She's had those, millions of times over. It seems to me like she just wants her happy life that she's built for herself and there's nothing wrong with that. It's still very frustrating to see single rollouts like we have though. To me, you can have all of the above and still have a proper single campaign, with no more effort than she's already putting in. She ll need at least moderate sales to keep releasing pop music. Glory is going to sell about 150k which is on the low end of passable and slightly over a 100k drop from Britney jean. If her next album sells less than 100k her record label is going to lose its incentive to keep releasing albums. Generally mainstream artists who sell under 100k get dropped unless they are widely successful in the singles market which Britney hasn't been latley. I'm a huge Britney fan but I do think she needs to continue to get passable sales to keep releasing high quality music
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Post by SPRΞΞ on Jan 26, 2017 11:09:36 GMT -5
That's the problem though... Slumber Party has always been a weak choice for single #2. There are at least two tracks on the album that could have followed up Make Me and would have done better - Better and Love Me Down. No one is here for Britney and her midtempos. They want bops... This is true. Look at Scream and Shout, even. It did well b/c it was a bop. Same with TTWE and IWG. Same with Womanizer and Circus. Whenever she tries to go down the route of non-bop territory, even with IUSA, it doesn't do as well. Criminal peaked at #20 after she was riding high with HIAM, TTWE and IWG being Top 3 Pop radio hits. Look at Perfume. It sucks, but the public just isn't really here for a Britney midtempo. They want Britney to do the dance pop bops. Britney is like a young Cher.
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Post by Marooned@Midnight on Jan 26, 2017 12:20:44 GMT -5
^^What you're both missing out of your assessments is the only factor that even matters - what Britney wants out of all of this. I think making her bankroll in Vegas, while still having ample time for her kids and personal life, and still being able to be creative and record music is much more in line with what she wants out of her life than what most fans would have her do. She doesn't need sales or hits. She's had those, millions of times over. It seems to me like she just wants her happy life that she's built for herself and there's nothing wrong with that. It's still very frustrating to see single rollouts like we have though. To me, you can have all of the above and still have a proper single campaign, with no more effort than she's already putting in. She ll need at least moderate sales to keep releasing pop music. Glory is going to sell about 150k which is on the low end of passable and slightly over a 100k drop from Britney jean. If her next album sells less than 100k her record label is going to lose its incentive to keep releasing albums. Generally mainstream artists who sell under 100k get dropped unless they are widely successful in the singles market which Britney hasn't been latley. I'm a huge Britney fan but I do think she needs to continue to get passable sales to keep releasing high quality music So if this comes to pass, then RCA might drop her and we'll be free of them??? Yes please!! How can we make this happen as quickly as possible. Don't pretend like labels won't line up to relaunch the legendary Britney Spears.
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Post by Cheese305 on Jan 26, 2017 13:50:25 GMT -5
I don't think there will be a third single and I hope there isn't. After the best song on the album flopped with such an amazing video it's basically hopeless. The best thing her team can do is have her featured in a couple hit singles by some random "hot" DJs to keep her name out there and build some hype for her next album. Britney is Britney, she will never be completely irrelevant like some of her peers but it's clear her name alone isn't enough to push singles to #1 anymore, the young generation see her as a washed up Vegas act, and sadly they're right. Vegas was good for her and fun for a couple years but it's damaging her legacy at this point, she needs to stop. I could still see Britney putting out another couple of amazing albums and #1 singles in the upcoming years and having a huge comeback ala Circus, she's got the body, the energy and seems to be in a good place mentally, but it's time to move on. That's the problem though... Slumber Party has always been a weak choice for single #2. There are at least two tracks on the album that could have followed up Make Me and would have done better - Better and Love Me Down. No one is here for Britney and her midtempos. They want bops... I really doubt Better or LMD would have performed much better than SP, the problem is not the material - it clearly is outstanding this time around - but Britney: people don't care that much about her anymore. Yes everyone roots for her because she's a sweetheart and an icon, but not like before, she's become a boring mom/Vegas nostalgia act, and the world isn't looking for her 24/7 like they did during her comeback years, when she was huge and controversial; or her prime, when she was just Britney and no one else came close. Slumber Party is without a doubt one of the best songs on the album, and like I said before, had it been released last year by say, Ariana Grande or Rihanna it would have been huge. There's not a single person I've played the song to that hasn't had a positive response and asked who sings it. There's also her team's horrible timing for everything, the truly messy promotion for Make Me, the original video fiasco, Pretty Girls' flop, Britney Jean... all of that definitely contributed to Glory flopping but it ultimately comes down to Britney not being that interesting anymore. But hey if she's happy I'm happy, I can enjoy the music for what it is - good pop music, it's just kinda sad to see her flop, so much wasted potential.
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Post by It's me, bitch. on Jan 26, 2017 13:51:19 GMT -5
Better needs to be released next. Should've been released as first.
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Post by Revelry on Jan 26, 2017 14:55:00 GMT -5
I hope she releases at least 1 more single from the album. I'm not expecting anymore hits from her or any other female in their 30s/40s (with the exception of P!nk & Sia). The focus needs to be great videos to keep her name out there and to keep the hardcore fans happy.
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Post by Jack on Jan 26, 2017 15:13:41 GMT -5
Better is completely anodyne. Is nothing, and will do nothing.
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Post by B. army on Jan 26, 2017 16:14:46 GMT -5
Heard BOMT on a variety station yesterday and agree the GP wants the upbeat catchy pop songs from her. I also agree with what others have posted on where she is in her life at this time. Experiment it's fine but maintain your legacy Brit. Glory could've included a hot pop song with a great visual given she's in the best shape in awhile. Theresa give and take with labels so why not mutually agree to a couple of hot songs the label wants in conjunction to her wants... Glory RIP.
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Post by upsidedown on Jan 26, 2017 17:51:50 GMT -5
I mean, Glory only sold 140k b/c nothing was done with it. It did well opening week b/c there was some promo but then there was virtual silence for 2+ months when she had no song on the radio and did no promotional appearances. Given that, it's not shocking that the album dropped off the charts. Then SP came over 2 months later, but they didn't maximize it like they could've, especially for the holidays.
They've pretty much done nothing for the album on a national promotional scale since the album came out, other than releasing the SP video. So given they've barely done anything, 140k isn't a shocking/surprising result. Also means I doubt she's in jeopardy of anywhere close to getting dropped, considering they know she can sell when she puts effort into it (album came back onto BB200 week of SP video), but they don't most of the time...
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Post by pnobelysk on Jan 26, 2017 19:11:44 GMT -5
I hope she releases at least 1 more single from the album. I'm not expecting anymore hits from her or any other female in their 30s/40s (with the exception of P!nk & Sia). The focus needs to be great videos to keep her name out there and to keep the hardcore fans happy. Don't forget Katy Perry! (And hopefully Kelly Clarkson)
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Post by franzjoseph on Jan 27, 2017 0:59:23 GMT -5
Heard this on the radio, really not feeling it.
I agree with what people are saying, Britney is really only good for upbeat songs which hide her terrible vocals.
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Post by Marooned@Midnight on Jan 27, 2017 6:18:19 GMT -5
which hide her terrible vocals. No one is saying that, but thanks for your contribution.
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Post by Eqbk on Jan 27, 2017 18:42:17 GMT -5
Britney won't be leaving RCA anytime soon b/c of the fact that she supposedly signed a 360 deal when she re-signed with them. Anytime the label takes a hit financially, they can recoup any losses by simply taking a cut of Team Britney's profits from her other revenue streams. So as long as Britney can still make money from Vegas, perfumes, etc. she will remain on RCA's roster.
As for the next single, I think it should be "If I'm Dancing". It's uptempo, which multiple people have said is what's needed. Plus, it's a fan favorite. All of the momentum this era had at the beginning is pretty much gone at this point, so right now her team needs to focus on trying keep the fan base happy and continue working on restoring their faith in the Britney brand.
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Post by Unhinged on Jan 27, 2017 18:56:16 GMT -5
As much as I love "Slumber Party" I was a little surprised they didn't go with "Do You Wanna Come Over" second.
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Post by It's me, bitch. on Jan 30, 2017 11:15:37 GMT -5
It's officially over. Send out the next single.
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Post by It's me, bitch. on Jan 31, 2017 20:45:56 GMT -5
Tracking so far:
41-36-32-30-30-29-31-29-35
Dead.
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Post by NeRD on Jan 31, 2017 22:57:02 GMT -5
Better or bust.
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Post by It's me, bitch. on Jan 31, 2017 23:30:22 GMT -5
It's sorry 2.0. So, why not. It still sounds fresh on the radio to me.
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Post by Glove Slap on Feb 1, 2017 0:13:53 GMT -5
Yeah while the majority of Glory takes current trends and works them to Britney's style and strengths, Better is essentially a Purpose leftover that happens to have her singing it instead of Justin. I don't prefer it to MM or this, but I am curious as to how it may have done had it gone first.
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