Rankdowns Last Forever: Cynthia Presents New Jack Swing

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Rankdowns Last Forever: Cynthia Presents New Jack Swing Oct 10, 2017 12:33:21 GMT -5

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1. Rank all the songs from most to least favorite 1-50 and PM me your list
2. For this rankdown, there will be no points system. If I receive more than 20 submissions, the songs will be ranked based on median score, then average, then st. dev. If two songs are still tied after all that, I'll leave the tie as is. If I receive less than 20 submissions, average and median score will be given reverse priority in the ranking system.
3. Let me know if you want/do not want to be tagged. You do not have to be tagged to participate. Feel free to tag anyone you think might be interested!
4. The current deadline is Friday April 6, 2018 at 11:59 pm CST.

Optional: When submitting your rankdown you may also submit up to ten of your favorite NJS songs that didn't appear on this list. Songs with the most mentions will be featured during the rankdown. The only rule here is that the song cannot be a ballad.

On November 27, 1987, Keith Sweat released Make It Last Forever, a debut that is now recognized as the world's first New Jack Swing album. For the next several years, New Jack Swing would dominate the airwaves, merging smooth r&b melodies and harmonies with hip-hop sensibilities. While Teddy Riley is typically credited as the architect of NJS, he is by no means the only producer who was a part of it. Throughout this rankdown I'll talk about NJS's history, the artists and producers who helped mold the new sound or r&b, and how NJS indelibly marked r&b and hip-hop music as a whole.

I have put together a carefully crafted list of 50 NJS songs - some classics, some less-mentioned-but-still-great hits, and one personal favorite that I threw in just for fun. No artist appears more than once here. I did my best to avoid rankdown repeats - at the time I put this list together I believe only one song here appeared in a previous rankdown, although I don't know if that still applies now that more time has passed - but at the same time the vast majority of these songs should be familiar to all r&b heads and even several pop fans. All but four of the songs included were a top 10 hit on the Hot 100, R&B/Hip-Hop, and/or Rap charts; 33 were Hot 100 top 10s. NJS was an extremely popular sound that crossed over many times and at its peak began influencing even the biggest pop stars' music.

There are a few omissions that, if you are familiar with NJS, are pretty notable. I had my reasons for not including those songs/artists in this rankdown but they will be given proper attention during the reveal! I'll also note that there are no ballads on this rankdown - I might do a NJS ballads rankdown some time in the future, but for now I wanted to highlight the more energetic side of NJS.

The songs and Spotify playlist:

Keith Sweat - I Want Her
Pebbles - Girlfriend
Johnny Kemp - Just Got Paid
Vanessa Williams - The Right Stuff
Al B. Sure! - Nite and Day
Paula Abdul - Straight Up
Bobby Brown - Don't Be Cruel
Guy - Groove Me
New Edition - If It Isn't Love
Rob Base & DJ E-Z Rock - It Takes Two
The Boys - Dial My Heart
Karyn White - Romantic
Jody Watley - Real Love
Soul II Soul - Back To Life (However Do You Want Me)
Babyface - It's No Crime
Big Daddy Kane - I Get the Job Done
Michel'le - No More Lies)
En Vogue - Hold On
Bell Biv Devoe - Poison
Kid 'n Play - Fun House
Tony! Toni! Tone! - Feels Good
Father MC - Treat Them Like They Want to Be Treated
Tevin Campbell - Round and Round
Johnny Gill - Rub You the Right Way
Hi-Five - I Like the Way (The Kissing Game)
Ralph Tresvant - Sensitivity
Another Bad Creation - Iesha
LL Cool J - Around the Way Girl
Tracie Spencer - This House
Boyz II Men - Motownphilly
Christopher Williams - I'm Dreamin'
Color Me Badd - I Wanna Sex You Up
Chubb Rock -Treat 'Em Right
DJ Jazzy Jeff and the Fresh Prince - Summertime
Heavy D & the Boyz - Now That We Found Love
Salt 'n Pepa - Let's Talk About Sex
Shanice - I Love Your Smile
TLC - Ain't 2 Proud 2 Beg
Jodeci - Come and Talk To Me (original or remix)
Joe Public - Live and Learn
Wreckx-n-Effect - Rump Shaker
Silk - Happy Days
Portrait - Here We Go Again
Jade - Don't Walk Away
Shai - Baby I'm Yours
Brownstone - If You Love Me
Xscape - Just Kickin' It
SWV - Anything (Old Skool Radio version)
Montell Jordan - This Is How We Do It
Immature - Lover's Groove

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Leigh Moderator Quietly better than you since 2005 Joined: February 2005 Posts: 3,773 Pronouns: he/him Staff	Rankdowns Last Forever: Cynthia Presents New Jack Swing Oct 10, 2017 12:38:20 GMT -5 via mobile Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Member Give Gift Back to Top Post by Leigh on Oct 10, 2017 12:38:20 GMT -5 <3 great rankdown Cynthia! Can’t wait to work my way through that playlist.
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Deleted Joined: January 1970 Posts: 0	Rankdowns Last Forever: Cynthia Presents New Jack Swing Oct 10, 2017 12:43:53 GMT -5 Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Member Give Gift Back to Top Post by Deleted on Oct 10, 2017 12:43:53 GMT -5 A...where is Someday by Mariah ? :)
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Deleted Joined: January 1970 Posts: 0	Rankdowns Last Forever: Cynthia Presents New Jack Swing Oct 10, 2017 12:53:31 GMT -5 Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Member Give Gift Back to Top Post by Deleted on Oct 10, 2017 12:53:31 GMT -5 Oct 10, 2017 12:43:53 GMT -5 @phillippe said: A...where is Someday by Mariah ? :) You can give her one of your optional mentions! :))

Ky 4x Platinum Member Joined: December 2004 Posts: 4,477	Rankdowns Last Forever: Cynthia Presents New Jack Swing Oct 10, 2017 13:11:16 GMT -5 Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Member Give Gift Back to Top Post by Ky on Oct 10, 2017 13:11:16 GMT -5 yes yes yes

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Sherane Lamar 2x Platinum Member Banned Long live XXX Joined: February 2016 Posts: 2,900	Rankdowns Last Forever: Cynthia Presents New Jack Swing Oct 10, 2017 15:07:02 GMT -5 Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Member Give Gift Back to Top Post by Sherane Lamar on Oct 10, 2017 15:07:02 GMT -5 I want to participate in this, but it's a lot of songs, and I'm probably not familiar with most of them. I'll have to set some time aside to listen to them all.
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Deleted Joined: January 1970 Posts: 0	Rankdowns Last Forever: Cynthia Presents New Jack Swing Nov 6, 2017 11:21:25 GMT -5 Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Member Give Gift Back to Top Post by Deleted on Nov 6, 2017 11:21:25 GMT -5 Is this still happening?

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Nov 6, 2017 11:21:25 GMT -5 @walker9 said:

Is this still happening?

I was just coming in here for a tag reminder!

Deadline is still 11/20 for now, and I received a couple of submissions almost as soon as I opened it. But as I mentioned before, if participation is low (I prefer at least 15 submissions) I'll push it back to 2018 when hopefully more people will have time/interest.

If anyone doesn't want to be tagged let me know!

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bat1990 Diamond Member Joined: July 2004 Posts: 12,961 Pronouns: he/him	Rankdowns Last Forever: Cynthia Presents New Jack Swing Nov 6, 2017 20:22:01 GMT -5 Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Member Give Gift Back to Top Post by bat1990 on Nov 6, 2017 20:22:01 GMT -5 But there's no Janet....

Deleted Joined: January 1970 Posts: 0	Rankdowns Last Forever: Cynthia Presents New Jack Swing Nov 7, 2017 4:23:02 GMT -5 Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Member Give Gift Back to Top Post by Deleted on Nov 7, 2017 4:23:02 GMT -5 Nov 6, 2017 20:22:01 GMT -5 bat1990 said: But there's no Janet.... There is a reason for that (actually a few reasons). She'll definitely get her due mentions.

newpower 3x Platinum Member Joined: December 2005 Posts: 3,532	Rankdowns Last Forever: Cynthia Presents New Jack Swing Nov 7, 2017 6:07:33 GMT -5 Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Member Give Gift Back to Top Post by newpower on Nov 7, 2017 6:07:33 GMT -5 Count me in! I know almost all the songs. It’s going to be hard this one.
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Rankdowns Last Forever: Cynthia Presents New Jack Swing Nov 7, 2017 7:30:24 GMT -5

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Post by craziaskowboi on Nov 7, 2017 7:30:24 GMT -5

I'll gladly participate in this rankdown, especially since I know most of the songs. New Jack Swing is underrated. Nothing against the slow jams, but they can't be all that R&B is about. We haven't had enough uptempo R&B in the last 20 years.

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craziaskowboi 2x Platinum Member Joined: September 2015 Posts: 2,673	Rankdowns Last Forever: Cynthia Presents New Jack Swing Nov 22, 2017 16:05:33 GMT -5 Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Member Give Gift Back to Top Post by craziaskowboi on Nov 22, 2017 16:05:33 GMT -5 I submitted my list yesterday.

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Rankdowns Last Forever: Cynthia Presents New Jack Swing Nov 24, 2017 1:10:12 GMT -5

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Post by Deleted on Nov 24, 2017 1:10:12 GMT -5

I'm garbage and I apologize :( I am going to have to postpone this rankdown for now. I only have five submissions at the moment anyway (which is my fault for not doing weekly reminders) but also, my time on Pulse lately has been so spotty that there's no point in me pretending I have time to handle both this and my 12 Days of Christmas Rankdowns. Holiday-related rankdown takes precedence, obviously.

On the bright side this will be something to look forward to in the new year, so if you haven't submitted yet keep sending them in anyway! For now I'll set a 1/12/18 deadline. I'll try to ~~harass~~ tag you guys more diligently in the future.

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Post by Az Paynter on Nov 24, 2017 7:48:21 GMT -5

Spotty indeed; my tag has apparently never been here. :sip2: ~~And I was gonna try and do this one, for you~~ :'( Which I totally still will, but the extra time is much appreciated.

Cynthia says:

I love that we are always finding ways to try to get someone to listen to our flop faves. No YOP thread, RT theme, or Games section stone will be left unturned in our mission to get somebody, anybody to validate our taste in music. That is when you know the love of the music is real. Like "LISTEN TO THESE SONGS THEY'RE GREAT DAMMIT PLEASE GIVE MY FAVES 0.0000002 CENTS ON SPOTIFY FOR THE LOVE OF GOD." It's the modus operandi of Pulse so much at this point.

Ky 4x Platinum Member Joined: December 2004 Posts: 4,477	Rankdowns Last Forever: Cynthia Presents New Jack Swing Dec 18, 2017 20:31:00 GMT -5 Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Member Give Gift Back to Top Post by Ky on Dec 18, 2017 20:31:00 GMT -5 I was just looking back at the rankdowns I wanted to do, but missed. I'll definitely try to do this with the new deadline.

Deleted Joined: January 1970 Posts: 0	Rankdowns Last Forever: Cynthia Presents New Jack Swing Feb 16, 2018 1:44:12 GMT -5 Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Member Give Gift Back to Top Post by Deleted on Feb 16, 2018 1:44:12 GMT -5 Is this still happening?

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Feb 16, 2018 1:44:12 GMT -5 @walker9 said:

Is this still happening?

Eventually. I'm thinking I'll 'officially' open it back up in March. After I took forever to finish off my Xmas rankdown (plus was an all around disaster in the last mafia game) I realized that I was just kind of burned out when it came to hosting or participating in things, so I haven't bumped this thread yet b/c I don't want to set a deadline only to not stick to it myself.

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Rankdowns Last Forever: Cynthia Presents New Jack Swing Mar 6, 2018 23:36:01 GMT -5

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Post by Deleted on Mar 6, 2018 23:36:01 GMT -5

All right. It's March, my mind is right, my schedule is right, and my stomach is kind of all right after whatever that weird bug I had this weekend finally faded away. So let's open this back up! The deadline is currently Friday April 6, 2018 at 11:59 pm CST. Adjust for your own time zones accordingly. That gives a full month, plus lands on a weekend so it will allow me to get together (and add in inevitable last-minute submissions b/c you know how we do around here).

I currently have very early submissions from these people:

Ezekiel 23:20–21
#LisaRinna
newpower
craziaskowboi
@phillippe who probably has me blocked by now but oh well lmao

If you guys want to change your submissions at any time you can do so (new PM is fine as I'm sure the old one is probably buried or trashed in your inbox by now); otherwise I'll just work with what I've already got!

I'm just copying and pasting the tag list from the OP so if you don't want to be included, let me know and I'll remove you. And of course, you don't have to be tagged to participate!

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Post by craziaskowboi on Mar 7, 2018 8:44:31 GMT -5

Good! I was wondering when the hell this rankdown was going to be rescheduled. In fact, I was worried that it might get canceled. Glad to see it's still alive.

New Jack Swing was the bomb.

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Mar 7, 2018 19:58:11 GMT -5 singingrulebritannia said:

I tried to search the genre in my collection on RYM and the first time I typo'd it as "jew jack swing"

What I'm saying is I'm doing this

I can't decide if I'm more bothered by the problematic nature of this comment, by my inability to articulate exactly why I immediately felt that it was problematic, or the mere fact that my first thought was 'well, I'm verklempt.' But Paula Abdul is Jewish so uh, I guess we somehow stumble into the clear?

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Post by Deleted on Mar 29, 2018 21:37:19 GMT -5

So once again I have slacked on tag reminders, b/c I keep forgetting to come in here, smh. But just a friendly reminder that this rankdown is still open! I'm extending the deadline from April 6 to April 15 b/c I'm swiping some additional tags from the Keyshia rankdown. Hopefully you guys are interested and this gives you enough time to participate, but if you need the extension to be longer let me know as I am clearly a pro at putting shit off like a Tinashe album release date lol. Of course, if anyone does not want to be tagged, just let me know; and you do not have to be tagged to participate.

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