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Post by bboat11 on Dec 30, 2018 12:45:07 GMT -5
raylatch98 I think one of the other key issues here is that you've stated your piece on thinking this one isn't moving up the charts well before this most recent instance. There's just no need for you to continue to re-hash your run-down of its chart performance every few posts in this thread when you've already done it before. It isn't necessary for you to interject every time someone posts a positive comment about hoping this one turns it around and becomes a bigger hit than expected, which I feel was the main point zaclord 🌈 was trying to make in regards to you being pessimistic in the face of any noticeable optimism shared by others. It isn't necessary, but I want to and it is not like I am breaking any rules when I am saying this, so I don't see the problem beyond annoying some people here, which it is what it is. You are just rehashing your opinions because you want to, and people are just telling you that they find it annoying because they want to. To both sides, it is what it is. Nobody's breaking any rules, or saying that anybody needs to stop doing what they are doing.
However, if you are truly serious about wanting to turn over a new leaf in 2019, there are some notes that you could take about the fact that people don't want to hear the same opinions over and over without much time passing in between them. I know that can be really hard to hold back on for somebody who follows the charts as closely and excitedly as you do, but sometimes it isn't necessary to say anything when there isn't anything new to be said.
(Also, I believe what Zaclord took issue with earlier was the way you were expressing your opinions. Saying something like "the top 5 is a giant hell no" seems intentionally inflammatory when you could just say "I don't think this has a very good chance of making the top 5." Again, nobody's saying you can't do that, they're just telling you that they don't like it when you do that.
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Post by bboat11 on Dec 30, 2018 12:52:51 GMT -5
Regarding "Love Wins", I'm going to join .indulgecountry on Team "I Don't Understand Why Everybody Hates This Song". This song is such a breath of fresh air every time I hear it! Carrie sounds so fantastic, and the melody goes down super easy. The production even has more country elements than your average 2018 Country Song Easily her best song since "Something In The Water". If this song continues to point towards a decline in Carrie's radio career, I'm honestly not sure what she could be doing differently... (And if you try to say the lyrics are cliched and boring, you can just hang onto that thought and keep your curmudgeonly ways to yourself. If lyrics actually had any relevance to Country radio, we would have literally never even heard of half the modern A-listers...)
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Post by raylatch98 on Dec 30, 2018 13:39:25 GMT -5
Regarding "Love Wins", I'm going to join .indulgecountry on Team "I Don't Understand Why Everybody Hates This Song". This song is such a breath of fresh air every time I hear it! Carrie sounds so fantastic, and the melody goes down super easy. The production even has more country elements than your average 2018 Country Song Easily her best song since "Something In The Water". If this song continues to point towards a decline in Carrie's radio career, I'm honestly not sure what she could be doing differently... (And if you try to say the lyrics are cliched and boring, you can just hang onto that thought and keep your curmudgeonly ways to yourself. If lyrics actually had any relevance to Country radio, we would have literally never even heard of half the modern A-listers...) Besides Ten Pound I don't think anyone else hates this song. Heck, for me personally this song is probably in my Top 10 favorites right now on the chart. I will say at this point every song is clichéd in one way or another. Just all about how you use those clichés and form your own identity. Anyways as for your post above that, I am trying to turn over a new leaf as many know. But I also want to maintain the passionate chart watching that I have had for a few years now. I guess maybe best course of action is maintaining my passion but not go week by week with the songs and spread the love around, and maybe only post when my opinion changes. Also need to work on my phrasing and how I express myself. I will say after crunching the numbers for my predictions, I think my opinion on this songs success has changed overnight.
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Post by NeRD on Dec 30, 2018 14:42:15 GMT -5
I'm really surprised with the Southbound support. I never saw it as a prominent single choice.
Drinking Alone needs to be next. It's the strongest in sales and streaming.
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Post by matty005 on Dec 30, 2018 14:43:37 GMT -5
I'm really surprised with the Southbound support. I never saw it as a prominent single choice. Drinking Alone needs to be next. It's the strongest in sales and streaming. It also had national tv exposure which would be a reason for that.
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Post by Ten Pound Hammer on Dec 30, 2018 14:47:26 GMT -5
I'll say the same thing I just said in the Dan + Shay thread: I apologize for getting so worked up over this song. I find it utterly uneappealing to me, but if it's a positive message that appeals to you, then I shouldn't hate you or the song for that.
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Post by dm2081 on Dec 30, 2018 14:50:03 GMT -5
“Ghosts On The Stereo” would be my choice. It’s the best songs she’s done in a long time. It might not be destined to be a huge smash, but I think the momentum isn’t really there for a huge smash to happen anyways. I think radio would spin the heck out of “Ghosts” though, very radio friendly.
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Post by lady𝓐fan on Dec 30, 2018 20:46:42 GMT -5
“Ghosts On The Stereo” would be my choice. It’s the best songs she’s done in a long time. It might not be destined to be a huge smash, but I think the momentum isn’t really there for a huge smash to happen anyways. I think radio would spin the heck out of “Ghosts” though, very radio friendly. I might be alone on this but "Ghosts" seems a bit lethargic to me. I love the song, but it could use a bump up in tempo.
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Post by zaclord 🌈 on Dec 30, 2018 20:59:03 GMT -5
“Ghosts On The Stereo” would be my choice. It’s the best songs she’s done in a long time. It might not be destined to be a huge smash, but I think the momentum isn’t really there for a huge smash to happen anyways. I think radio would spin the heck out of “Ghosts” though, very radio friendly. I might be alone on this but "Ghosts" seems a bit lethargic to me. I love the song, but it could use a bump up in tempo. I feel a bit of the same. "Ghosts" is one of the few songs on the album that I don't love, so I'd definitely prefer it to stay an album cut
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Post by musicfan134 on Dec 30, 2018 22:14:22 GMT -5
Pass on Ghosts. I truly haven't even listened to the song since the album was released. I start Cry Pretty with Low, skipping both Ghosts and the title track.
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Post by .indulgecountry on Dec 30, 2018 23:10:38 GMT -5
For me, "Ghosts on the Stereo" is one of the standouts on the album, and it's also one of the most straight-laced country things on a record that is very schizophrenic from a musical standpoint, so I think it's one of her best bets at a hit on country radio from it. I do believe "Drinking Alone" should be next because it's given the most indication of being something the consumers will get excited about, which is something she needs after lukewarm reception from the first 2 singles, but I imagine "Ghosts" would be a great choice for a 4th single.
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Post by tryexp on Dec 31, 2018 11:23:42 GMT -5
I love Ghosts but I think the undeniably hit song on this album is Drinking Alone. They can follow that with Ghosts but I would do Drinking Alone - > Shouthbound - > Ghosts. I know lots of people love Low, but it think it would kill this era. Also, didn't she said she won't sing that song live or am I making it up?
Also, I would be very surprised if Love Wins gets a top 5, but I would love it because Carrie clearly loves this one.
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Post by desertfloods on Jan 1, 2019 21:18:27 GMT -5
If they are going for a more traditional country ballad as a single, definitely should pick Low over Ghosts.
Low is an absolute masterpiece in every aspect and also stands a good chance of nabbing some Grammys too. Her vocals are insane!
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Post by sunburn on Jan 1, 2019 21:42:47 GMT -5
Add me to the list of fans for "Ghosts" While I love the moody sort of burn of both that song and "Low", I agree with many here that "Drinking Alone" or "Southbound" should be the next single just to pick up the tempo a bit for radio. "Southbound" might make sense first if it's released close to spring break and then could peak in the summer. Still pulling for "Love Wins" to hit the top ten (or five, please!) in early 2019 though.
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Post by lady𝓐fan on Jan 1, 2019 21:43:49 GMT -5
I just realized “Love Wins” jumped two spots to #15 in this morning’s update. It also has the highest bullet in the top 50 (but that could probably be attributed to the freeze). And to top it all off, the album rose 42 positions to #60 on the Billboard 200!
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Post by classiccountryfan on Jan 1, 2019 22:03:55 GMT -5
I just realized “Love Wins” jumped two spots to #15 in this morning’s update. It also has the highest bullet in the top 50 (but that could probably be attributed to the freeze). And to top it all off, the album rose 42 positions to #60 on the Billboard 200! The only other songs in the top 40 with a bullet are Feels Like a Party and What Happens In a Small Town. This is normal for the week of Christmas. Next week just about all songs will likely get their bullets back since Christmas song airplay has ended.
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Post by lady𝓐fan on Jan 1, 2019 22:30:32 GMT -5
I just realized “Love Wins” jumped two spots to #15 in this morning’s update. It also has the highest bullet in the top 50 (but that could probably be attributed to the freeze). And to top it all off, the album rose 42 positions to #60 on the Billboard 200! The only other songs in the top 40 with a bullet are Feels Like a Party and What Happens In a Small Town. This is normal for the week of Christmas. Next week just about all songs will likely get their bullets back since Christmas song airplay has ended. I know all about the Christmas freeze. :) I was referring to the rolling Mediabase chart, where 37 songs have a bullet.
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Post by pnobelysk on Jan 1, 2019 23:40:28 GMT -5
Expected to re enter the hot 100 this week:)
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Post by raylatch98 on Jan 1, 2019 23:43:12 GMT -5
Expected to re enter the hot 100 this week:) I thought it hasn't even hit the Hot 100 yet?
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Post by classiccountryfan on Jan 1, 2019 23:44:09 GMT -5
The only other songs in the top 40 with a bullet are Feels Like a Party and What Happens In a Small Town. This is normal for the week of Christmas. Next week just about all songs will likely get their bullets back since Christmas song airplay has ended. I know all about the Christmas freeze. I was referring to the rolling Mediabase chart, where 37 songs have a bullet. Sorry; for some reason I was thinking of Billboard. I should have realized otherwise since you mentioned it’s at #15 and it’s #17 on Billboard.
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Post by lady𝓐fan on Jan 2, 2019 0:17:46 GMT -5
Expected to re enter the hot 100 this week:) I thought it hasn't even hit the Hot 100 yet? Simon Falk (a guy who does Hot 100 predictions) labeled it as re-entering on his early predictions by mistake.
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Post by fireflies on Jan 2, 2019 0:37:34 GMT -5
It re-entered Bubbling Under at #20 this week!
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Post by 14887fan on Jan 2, 2019 1:12:51 GMT -5
I love 'Ghosts,' but they'd be fools to put it out as a single over the likes of "Low," "Backsliding," "Drinking Alone," "End Up With You," and 'That Song...'
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Post by ClevelandRox on Jan 2, 2019 13:17:27 GMT -5
I don't think Ghosts is what radio wants from Carrie and would massively underperform?
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Post by misterscribbs on Jan 2, 2019 13:34:59 GMT -5
I’m probably bias because I love “Low” so much, but it’s such a strong song that I think it would do well. I do think, however, that “Drinking Alone” would be the best choice for the next single.
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Post by .indulgecountry on Jan 2, 2019 14:37:05 GMT -5
I don't think Ghosts is what radio wants from Carrie and would massively underperform? What makes you think that? It sounds like the most tailor-made for country radio song on the entire record. Musically it sounds the most like something that could've been on Storyteller and an easy hit off that album, and I'm sure they'd prefer that to one of the pop songs on the record, especially if she still isn't gunning for another crossover hit (which I thought was one of the goals they were teasing when they announced her move to UMG, but I guess not?). I could see an angle where maybe it doesn't get people excited the way a song like "Drinking Alone" has already proven it can do, but after these first 2 singles didn't go over that well at radio and didn't light up with big sales/streaming numbers, I think "Ghosts on the Stereo" is at least one of her safer choices for radio play. I think songs like "Backsliding," "That Song," and "Low" would all be more likely to struggle imo.
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Post by jamatthews83 on Jan 2, 2019 14:42:06 GMT -5
Ghosts and Southbound could be big radio hits, but I see them doing very little for the album, and with the album selling as well as it has I'd prefer something that keeps that momentum going rather than chase a radio hit.
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Post by 14887fan on Jan 2, 2019 15:59:22 GMT -5
I don't think Ghosts is what radio wants from Carrie and would massively underperform? What makes you think that? It sounds like the most tailor-made for country radio song on the entire record. Musically it sounds the most like something that could've been on Storyteller and an easy hit off that album, and I'm sure they'd prefer that to one of the pop songs on the record, especially if she still isn't gunning for another crossover hit (which I thought was one of the goals they were teasing when they announced her move to UMG, but I guess not?). I could see an angle where maybe it doesn't get people excited the way a song like "Drinking Alone" has already proven it can do, but after these first 2 singles didn't go over that well at radio and didn't light up with big sales/streaming numbers, I think "Ghosts on the Stereo" is at least one of her safer choices for radio play. I think songs like "Backsliding," "That Song," and "Low" would all be more likely to struggle imo. Disagree. ‘Ghosts’ is entirely safe and absolutely could’ve been found on Storyteller, which feels exactly the opposite of what they’ve been doing with this era (releasing a lead single that is unlike anything she’s put out, both sonically and lyrically; and a follow-up single that, while massively vague, brings a little politics to the game, which is one of the riskiest things anyone could do at country radio). They clearly wanted this era to be one that adjusts the way people perceive her as an artist, and I do believe it’s worked. I just think turning all of that around and suddenly playing things safe at radio with the CP era would be doing a disservice to CU + this whole record. And also, disagreed RE: “Backsliding” and ‘That Song.’ Those are a couple of the most infectious and radio-ready songs she’s ever made. I do agree to an extent on “Low,” though. But while it’s not the most radio-friendly song on the album, I would absolutely love it if they put it out at some point.
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Post by .indulgecountry on Jan 2, 2019 18:02:18 GMT -5
What makes you think that? It sounds like the most tailor-made for country radio song on the entire record. Musically it sounds the most like something that could've been on Storyteller and an easy hit off that album, and I'm sure they'd prefer that to one of the pop songs on the record, especially if she still isn't gunning for another crossover hit (which I thought was one of the goals they were teasing when they announced her move to UMG, but I guess not?). I could see an angle where maybe it doesn't get people excited the way a song like "Drinking Alone" has already proven it can do, but after these first 2 singles didn't go over that well at radio and didn't light up with big sales/streaming numbers, I think "Ghosts on the Stereo" is at least one of her safer choices for radio play. I think songs like "Backsliding," "That Song," and "Low" would all be more likely to struggle imo. Disagree. ‘Ghosts’ is entirely safe and absolutely could’ve been found on Storyteller, which feels exactly the opposite of what they’ve been doing with this era (releasing a lead single that is unlike anything she’s put out, both sonically and lyrically; and a follow-up single that, while massively vague, brings a little politics to the game, which is one of the riskiest things anyone could do at country radio). They clearly wanted this era to be one that adjusts the way people perceive her as an artist, and I do believe it’s worked. I just think turning all of that around and suddenly playing things safe at radio with the CP era would be doing a disservice to CU + this whole record. And also, disagreed RE: “Backsliding” and ‘That Song.’ Those are a couple of the most infectious and radio-ready songs she’s ever made. I do agree to an extent on “Low,” though. But while it’s not the most radio-friendly song on the album, I would absolutely love it if they put it out at some point. See, I would understand that if the 1-2 punch of "Cry Pretty" and "Love Wins" had gone over much better than it did, but both singles have/are under-performing by her standards. I don't think her playing it safe is a bad thing in this instance at all, but, again, I still think "Drinking Alone" seems like the best choice for the next single and seems like something people will get more excited about than the first two releases. "Ghosts on the Stereo" is far and away my favorite on the record though so I'm not really approaching its release purely from an angle of safety, because I also would just love to see the song as a single for personal reasons. I just think it would be a nice fourth (or fifth?) single. Carrie's always pushed the sonic boundaries, but I feel like "Backsliding" and "That Song..." are two of the farthest she's taken her sound towards pop and honestly I'd be okay with "Backsliding" only if the intent was to turn it into a crossover hit, but it doesn't seem like that's the goal of this record... even though they seemed to allude to that being part of the plan when the label switch was announced. And for me "That Song..." just doesn't sound like a hit single to me at all, especially for country radio. I know some of her fanbase has lobbed praised onto that one, but I personally don't get it; it's honestly my least-favorite song on the record and I often skip it. I feel like either of those would be met with a similar resistance that we saw with "Cry Pretty," and maybe that's fine if her priorities are different this era because they're going for a certain image, but unless the songs sell significantly better than the first two singles, I don't think more risky releases are going to do anything for her this era. Some people have started throwing "Southbound" around as a single too lately and I wouldn't exactly be opposed to that one. It would offer something different for Carrie's singles catalog, but it also sounds more like something country radio would enjoy converting quicker than the prior singles.
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Post by zaclord 🌈 on Jan 2, 2019 19:14:38 GMT -5
I'm not here for "Ghosts" as a single, but I'm even more not here for "That Song..." being a single. Give us "Drinking Alone" and then any combination of "Backsliding", "Low", and "Southbound". Although, "Southbound" would make most sense coming next so it would peak in summer and if "Drinking Alone" isn't next, I'm going to scream so I'm still rooting for my 3 faves being the next 3 singles:
1. Cry Pretty 2. Love Wins 3. Drinking Alone 4. Backsliding 5. Low
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