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Post by Kal-El on Feb 11, 2008 20:52:47 GMT -5
I think the fact that Carrie looks and sounds incredible is enough...so what if she doesn't shaker her ass? She lets her talent do the talking. People spend so much time hating, I swear!
Carrie's a beast, don't deny.
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Post by sbp17 on Feb 11, 2008 20:56:50 GMT -5
Who in their right mind is trying to say she didn't hit them well?? people will do anything to bash her-- I swear-- they must make lists of crazy things to dream up to try to bring her down. The bashing is ridiculous. She did incredible! It's going to be a difficult road for you as a Carrie fan if you can't accept that not everyone falls over themselves every time Carrie breathes. I can understand being frustrated with certain fan(s) of other artists who pretend to like Carrie occasionally so that it is seems objective when they frequently criticize her. But some people "are in their right mind" and just weren't into the performance. I'm a Carrie fan and I didn't like the performance. I, too, thought it was stiff and forced. I didn't like her performance outfit even though I thought her red carpet floral dress was the most beautiful gown of the evening.
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Post by LordEctar on Feb 11, 2008 22:12:16 GMT -5
The only performance I liked was Alicia Keys / John Mayer and I HATE that Alicia Keys song, but I thought she rocked it.
As for the old dude winning the Grammy... duh... the Grammys suck. Back in the day, one would rather watch the MTV VMAs for a more accurate description of what the people actually liked.
Just like your favorite movie of the year may have been something like Home Alone but something like Patton takes the Oscar.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 11, 2008 22:51:49 GMT -5
As for the old dude winning the Grammy... duh... the Grammys suck. Back in the day, one would rather watch the MTV VMAs for a more accurate description of what the people actually liked. Just like your favorite movie of the year may have been something like Home Alone but something like Patton takes the Oscar. The Grammy's is a celebration of music as a whole, not just MTV. Consumer favorites are a different awards show. As far as Home Alone vs. Patton, same sort of thing. Oscars are not judged on box office take. The #1 movie of the year, like the #1 album of the year may not always be based on quality (High School Musical anyone??) They are just the ones that are either the best marketed or the ones that the most people took a liking too. Thus popularity does not necessarily translate into awards. And these awards are not a reflection of what consumers like, they are a reflection of what their respective industries are touting as quality.
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Post by LordEctar on Feb 11, 2008 23:02:30 GMT -5
Quality is subjective.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 11, 2008 23:08:44 GMT -5
Right. I think my point with the High School Musical example is that if 4 million 10-14 year old girls buy the HSM CD, enough to make it the #1 album of the year, does that mean it was the best CD of the year??? or highest quality music???
I guess it certainly is to the 10-14 year olds.
If Spiderman 3 (a very average movie, in my opinion) makes 300 million, does that mean it was a quality movie just because people bought tickets to it or was it just marketed well??
A movie or a CD can be entertaining and fun & have marketing appeal, without being high quality.
That stuff is what the MTV awards are for. The Grammy's and the Oscars are different.
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Post by carriefan0209 on Feb 11, 2008 23:15:41 GMT -5
I agree 2m, but i think that sometimes Grammy and Oscar elitists can be just as bad in terms of putting either sales or critical acclaim over the other. If MTV is infamous for awarding popular things, the Grammys are known for supporting artists tht "support a cause" or are unknown/random enough to make the nomination/award look more 'worthy'; like the Grammys will bypass more deserving artists for artists that arent as deserving just to appear "different".
For example, I think that many Grammy voters will try so hard NOT to nominate the obvious best seller or most popular artist to make a point that they are "above" such "bourgeious" fare. This definitley turns me off to the whole idea of the Grammys, because basically I see a bunch of old people walking around with their noses so stuck up, they would drown if it rained. I know thats not accurate because sooo many artists/musicians/producers make up NARAS, but its elitist attitude doesnt help.
does that make sense?
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Post by Eloqueen™ on Feb 11, 2008 23:18:02 GMT -5
Carrie couldn't handle the notes? B*tch please, she's hit 'em and then some in the past. Grammy performance album up at nixmixmusicblog.blogspot.comthank you!! Carrie NAILED those notes-- she rocked! Who in their right mind is trying to say she didn't hit them well?? people will do anything to bash her-- I swear-- they must make lists of crazy things to dream up to try to bring her down. The bashing is ridiculous. She did incredible! Yeah I am bashing the person who has put out my favorite song of the moment. Get over yourself. In my opinion she DID struggle to hit some of the notes. I could see it in her face and hear it in her voice. She is still a REALLY gifted singer, I just think she tried to reach maybe a little past her limits. If Simon Cowel had critiqued that performance I am sure his comment would have included the word screaming in it. Deal with my opinion because it is not changing. Still love ya though Carrie!
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Post by carriefan0209 on Feb 11, 2008 23:23:30 GMT -5
I dont think she "stuggled" to hit any note; i thnk she just strained her voice because she was sick
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Post by Devil Marlena Nylund on Feb 11, 2008 23:33:02 GMT -5
Or maybe the people that vote on the Grammys actually voted on what they thought was the best recording(s) of the last year.
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Post by tsharky on Feb 11, 2008 23:40:19 GMT -5
Who in their right mind is trying to say she didn't hit them well?? people will do anything to bash her-- I swear-- they must make lists of crazy things to dream up to try to bring her down. The bashing is ridiculous. She did incredible! It's going to be a difficult road for you as a Carrie fan if you can't accept that not everyone falls over themselves every time Carrie breathes. I can understand being frustrated with certain fan(s) of other artists who pretend to like Carrie occasionally so that it is seems objective when they frequently criticize her. But some people "are in their right mind" and just weren't into the performance. I'm a Carrie fan and I didn't like the performance. I, too, thought it was stiff and forced. I didn't like her performance outfit even though I thought her red carpet floral dress was the most beautiful gown of the evening. Well that is your opinion-- and you are entitled to it. But I disagree. She was incredible- and it was a great performance. It didn't seem stiff or forced to me at all. The only criticism I would have-- is that she should wear sneakers next time when trying to get down those stairs. She seemed terrified that she might fall in those heels on those boots. So maybe that is what you took as stiff-her fear of falling down the stairs. I am wasting my breath anyway. People want to bash her so they will. Whatever. I loved her performance and she hit every note. If you are expecting some kind of dancing like Beyonce--- you have to remember she is a country singer-- not a pop or hip hop princess who dances all over. She did the best she could-- and she did great.
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Post by tsharky on Feb 11, 2008 23:46:41 GMT -5
I think the fact that Carrie looks and sounds incredible is enough...so what if she doesn't shaker her ass? She lets her talent do the talking. People spend so much time hating, I swear! Carrie's a beast, don't deny. exactly!! people expect her to pole dance like britney spears-- when she is a country singer. Country singers do not dance! They do not have backup dancers and props--- it is more simple and pure. The fact that she tried to spice things up for the grammys was awesome--- and I loved the Stomp-esque production. If she had simply stood there and sang--- the bashers would say how dull the performance was or how predictable. So she spices it up-- and the bashers say-- how over-produced it was. lol She will never win in their minds because no matter what she does-- they will find fault in it. I am wasting my breath.
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Post by jenglisbe on Feb 11, 2008 23:56:32 GMT -5
I love how people claim the Grammy's are corrupt just cuz they aren't handing out awards to the artists you like. It don't work that way y'all! So true. And people complain every year, yet they still watch and still talk about them. If they were as irrelevant as people say, people wouldn't pay attention to them.
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Post by RihannaFAN²=ColdUmbrella! on Feb 11, 2008 23:57:41 GMT -5
i loved carrie performance the girl killed it!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 12, 2008 1:16:41 GMT -5
Country summary from CMT.com: Vince Gill Wins Best Country Album Grammy
Carrie Underwood, Keith Urban, Brad Paisley, Eagles, Willie Nelson Among Other WinnersBy: Calvin Gilbert Accepting his best country album award for These Days, Vince Gill delivered the funniest line at Sunday night's (Feb. 10) Grammy Awards when he said, "I just got an award presented to me by a Beatle. Have you had that happen yet, Kanye?" Even Kanye West seemed amused by Gill's joke. By that point in the awards show, West had already won several Grammys, including best rap album for Graduation. In addition to Gill, other winners in country-related categories included Carrie Underwood, Keith Urban, Brad Paisley, the Eagles, Ricky Skaggs and the Whites, Willie Nelson and Ray Price, Alison Krauss and Robert Plant, Jim Lauderdale and Steve Earle. Gill's award was presented by Ringo Starr and British singer-songwriter Dave Stewart, best known for his work in the Eurythmics. These Days is a four-CD set of original songs that Gill recorded in a variety of country, rock, pop and bluegrass styles. It's his 19th Grammy. "This is an amazing project for me," Gill said in accepting the trophy. "It took a year out of my life. I shared the year with a guy named Justin Niebank and another guy named John Hobbs, who helped me co-produce this record. Over a hundred musicians, singers and artists and songwriters helped contribute to this. It proved to me, once again, that music is the real place where democracy lives. Every note is equal." "Before He Cheats" resulted in trophies for Carrie Underwood (for best female country vocal performance) and songwriters Josh Kear and Chris Tompkins (for best country song). The song was also nominated for overall song of the year, which went to British singer-songwriter Amy Winehouse for "Rehab." Keith Urban received the best male country vocal performance for "Stupid Boy," Paisley's "Throttleneck" was voted best country instrumental performance and the Eagles' "How Long" was named best country performance by a duo or group with vocal. Willie Nelson and Ray Price shared the Grammy for best country collaboration with vocals for "Lost Highway," a track from Last of the Breed, their album with fellow Country Music Hall of Fame member Merle Haggard. The award for best pop collaboration with vocals went to Robert Plant and Alison Krauss for "Gone, Gone, Gone (Done Moved On)," a track from their Raising Sand album. Jim Lauderdale's The Bluegrass Diaries was named best bluegrass album, while the best Southern, country or bluegrass gospel album honor went to Ricky Skaggs and the Whites for Salt of the Earth. Levon Helm, The Band's former drummer and vocalist who has rebounded following a battle with throat cancer, received the best traditional folk album award for his solo project, Dirt Farmer. Steve Earle's Washington Square Serenade was named best contemporary folk/Americana album. With Grammys presented in 110 categories, the best country album award was the only one featured during the live broadcast from the Staples Center in downtown Los Angeles. Ironically, perhaps, the late Johnny Cash was the only country artist who triumphed in any of the all-genre categories when the winners were presented Sunday. Cash's "God's Gonna Cut You Down" was named best short form music video. Directed by Tony Kaye and produced by Rachel Curl, the video was nominated alongside works featuring Feist and Gnarls Barkley, among others. In the best long form music video division, Dierks Bentley's concert DVD, Live & Loud the Fillmore, was bested by Madonna's The Confessions Tour. Recording for a Nashville-based independent label, Taylor Swift nonetheless gained a nomination in one of the most coveted categories -- best new artist. However, the honor went to Amy Winehouse, who received record of the year, song of the year and best female pop vocal performance Grammys for "Rehab" and a best pop vocal album nod for Back to Black. Swift was nominated only in the best new artist category. Gill's These Days was also nominated for overall album of the year, which turned out to be a surprise victory for jazz legend Herbie Hancock's River: The Joni Letters, a tribute to singer-songwriter Joni Mitchell. Other album of the year nominees included the Foo Fighters, Kanye West and Amy Winehouse. Commemorating the Grammys' 50th anniversary, the three and a-half hour show placed a greater emphasis than usual on live performances. Accompanied by audio and video of the late Frank Sinatra, Alicia Keys opened the show with a performance of "Learning the Blues." Carrie Underwood followed soon thereafter with "Before He Cheats." Clad in thigh-high boots and a short black jumpsuit, Underwood seemed to be taking a fashion cue from Shania Twain. Brad Paisley displayed his formidable guitar skills during the instrumental sections of his hit, "Ticks." Unfortunately, the presentation was marred by a bad sound mix, a common problem during live award show telecasts. John Fogerty led the way for a performance featuring two rock 'n' roll icons -- Jerry Lee Lewis and Little Richard. Fogerty set the mood by singing his own "Comin' Down the Road." Lewis delivered "Great Balls of Fire" and Little Richard and Fogerty traded verses on "Good Golly Miss Molly." Pop vocalist Keely Smith, who gained fame in the '50s with her husband and bandleader Louis Prima, found herself in a unique setting at the Grammys when she sang "That Old Black Magic" with Kid Rock. Accompanied by saxophonist Dave Koz, Smith persevered during the vocal duet, perhaps because Prima's own vocal phrasing helped her prepare for Kid Rock's unpredictability. It was a genuinely human moment, though, and it was clear that Kid Rock was honored to be sharing the stage with her. Winehouse failed to secure a work visa and was unable to travel to Los Angeles for the awards show. Instead, she performed in London, offering "I Told You I Was Trouble" and "Rehab." During the telecast, the recipients of the Record Academy's Lifetime Achievement award were acknowledged, including bluegrass pioneer Earl Scruggs, Burt Bacharach, The Band, Cab Calloway, Doris Day, Itzhak Perlman and Max Roach. CMT
CMT's 2008 Grammy page -- (Photos, Articles, Message Board, etc.)
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Post by Juanca on Feb 12, 2008 1:23:55 GMT -5
Again all these stupid theories about the night! People are just idiots... It would be better if you just don't insult people who think different than you. We all have the right to think differently and interpret what we see according to our opinions. It is great to debate and exchange opinions... but in a civilized way, with correct manners, IMHO. Thanks, Juanca
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Post by Juanca on Feb 12, 2008 1:44:39 GMT -5
I think the fact that Carrie looks and sounds incredible is enough...so what if she doesn't shaker her ass? She lets her talent do the talking. People spend so much time hating, I swear! I certainly agree with that comment. I think she showed a big growth compared to last year's performance where she didn't even know what to do with the mic, passing it from one hand to the other. Now she looked more natural, gave some twist to the song with those drums... and well, she decided to go for a powerful ending, for a change.... She has to improve of course, but to me her growth from last to this year is enough. ON the other hand, someone that should be dancing better IMO is Rihanna. SHe did sing better than other performances and even moved better ( I think I didn't specify that previously), but still... the fact she couldn't sing the chorus completely but left the background vocals to finish each sentence for her, despite not even dancing that much, was somewhat disappointing for such a BANGER song like DSTM. And I'm not hating or bashing... I am a HUGE Madonna fan, but that didn't keep me from criticizing her Nothing Really Matters performance some years ago, when the only gratious thing she did was dressing like a Geisha without doing a good dance routing for such a good, dancey song
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Post by syrus on Feb 12, 2008 2:22:21 GMT -5
The Grammys voting system needs to be revamped. Every year it's the same nonsense. How many more Grammys do Chaka Khan, Prince, Aretha and Mary need?
And Ne-Yo winning over Keyshia Cole? Ridiculous!
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Post by FADE AWAY on Feb 12, 2008 3:42:50 GMT -5
Congrats to Mary J. Blige for winning her 7th and 8th Grammys!
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Post by SILENCE on Feb 12, 2008 8:47:18 GMT -5
I am wasting my breath anyway. People want to bash her so they will. Whatever. I loved her performance and she hit every note. If you are expecting some kind of dancing like Beyonce--- you have to remember she is a country singer-- not a pop or hip hop princess who dances all over. She did the best she could-- and she did great. why is it bashing just because not everyone thought Carrie had a great performance? It seems the carrie fans are awfully defensive in here and most of the time people get jumped all over for that kind of behavior. and your remark of "remember she's a country singer" is kind of funny considering the arrangement of that song and the performance itself reeked of POP/Hip Hop influence. Carrie seemed to be trying to fit into the establishment more than represent country music. Her voice seemed weak, weaker than I've ever heard her live in fact and I have to think it was due to the new arrangement and if she was sick that contributed as well. as for Herbie winning, why is everyone so up in arms? it's not like Kayne and Amy won't have other chances at AOTY.... Perhaps when voting someone thought ok do we give it to the arrogant jackass or the junkie and decided hell no let's give it to the guy who has dedicated his entire life to music.... makes sense to me...
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Post by Kal-El on Feb 12, 2008 9:01:53 GMT -5
I'm afraid there comes a point where that just isn't true. There comes a point where something has to be empirically quantifiable. A point where something becomes able to be judged or criticized...a universal and objective standard, or else there would be no 'good' or 'bad', no praise or criticism, no reviews or critics. It's like that "Oh well it's just my opnion so you can't say anything about it" opinions too can be incorrect, badly presented, misinformed etc. etc.
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Post by SILENCE on Feb 12, 2008 9:07:06 GMT -5
^^^ I agree, quality isn't subjective, taste is.
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Post by tsharky on Feb 12, 2008 9:51:23 GMT -5
^^^ I agree, quality isn't subjective, taste is. [/quote Exactly. So I have no issue with you having different taste then me and for not liking carrie- that's fine! It's your right not to like her for any reason you wish. But-"quality" or someone's ability to stay on key, pitch, tone, and volume-- are more on the objective side, not subjective. So that is why your comment saying carrie's voice sounded weak was amusing. lol Are you seriously saying that the ending was "weak" or the beginning? Because she didn't sound weak or sick to me- she sounded pretty powerful. :)
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Post by Kal-El on Feb 12, 2008 10:01:25 GMT -5
^ You betta say it!
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Post by John77 on Feb 12, 2008 10:10:46 GMT -5
Again all these stupid theories about the night! People are just idiots... It would be better if you just don't insult people who think different than you. We all have the right to think differently and interpret what we see according to our opinions. It is great to debate and exchange opinions... but in a civilized way, with correct manners, IMHO. Thanks, Juanca Well said! Overall I'd give the show a C- or D+. It was VERY ragged and didn't flow well pretty much the whole way. There were a few highlights, but even more lowlights. And of course a slew of undeserving artists/songs won again this year (like every year at the Grammys). I love how people claim the Grammy's are corrupt just cuz they aren't handing out awards to the artists you like. It don't work that way y'all! So true. And people complain every year, yet they still watch and still talk about them. If they were as irrelevant as people say, people wouldn't pay attention to them. FYI this year's Grammy Awards scored it's 3rd worst ratings ever... so people aren't watching like they once were.
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Post by Love Plastic Love on Feb 12, 2008 11:28:43 GMT -5
I didnt like Carrie's performance, but vocally she was not as off as people are saying. It was vocally dead on, but lacking oomph and emotion to me. I also dislike the remix they made of the song.
And before anyone goes OMG HOW CAN YOU SAY SHE DEAD ON AND THEN SAY SHE IS NOT!!!! I mean she was not missing notes or cracking-technically, it was a good vocal performance. I just recognize that that is not the only thing to a performance.
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Post by tsharky on Feb 12, 2008 11:53:31 GMT -5
I am personally very surprised that the ratings were lower this year--- as the strike put many shows on hold, and there is nothing good on tv right now. So for lack of nothing better to do- I thought the grammys would see huge numbers.
Honestly-- the producers gave it their all. They had all the big name acts of today- and yesterday, and they really put alot of attention to details, etc. It wasn't perfect-- the Will I Am thing was silly, etc. The Fergie/John Legend duet was lame because I wanted to hear John legend sing-- he is incredible. I like fergie too- but I prefer her in fast, fun songs- v- ballads. To me she is more the fun, rockin' party type girl --- then a slow ballad singer. But if John legend had sang with her -- I think it could have been something special.
But I loved how they brought in Frank Sinatra to open the show with alicia keys. That was unexpected as they usually have someone like madonna or the Police to open the show. So this was unique and appropriate for the 50th.
I loved what they tried to do--- but-- if they wanted it to be AMAZING, they needed to have Prince and/or Michael or Janet Jackson perform. That was a missing factor.
Also-- they should have done a tribute to country music past like they did for other genres....Ie- have Carrie and Brad do their own songs like they did, but then maybe have them duet with Willie Nelson or Dolly or someone--- singing a medley of old songs like to honor Tammy Wynette, etc. Carrie sings Tammy amazing. (at the opry,etc).
but I enjoyed the grammys overall. Nothing is every perfect and we will always complain about something- that is our nature. lol But kanye, carrie, andrea/josh groban, rianna, beyonce, tina, etc-- overall it was fantastic.
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Post by Kal-El on Feb 12, 2008 13:07:49 GMT -5
It would be better if you just don't insult people who think different than you. We all have the right to think differently and interpret what we see according to our opinions. It is great to debate and exchange opinions... but in a civilized way, with correct manners, IMHO. Thanks, Juanca Well said! John, for the very same think he's talking about (my calling people out for ridiculous theories) you said, to me, and I quote, "For once, I totally agree with you on something...". Since me and Juanca are clearly opposed on this one, surely you can't agree with both of us? Juanca, your logic just seems to say to me; under the guise of an 'opinion' people are justified to say and hypothesise whenever and however they want. But opinions can be hateful and incorrect (as I've said before). My point being; people are making judgement calls and theories not based on fact, but skewed perspective and a need to perpetuate this negativity. A negativity that has become typical so often about events like these. People just be moaning and nit-picking, hating and complaining...not only is it dull, but I feel it's unjust. I thought the performances were outstanding, the awards well deserved, the night smooth etc. etc. Some people just never seem to be satisfied to me. Can't we all just be a little nicer?
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Post by jenglisbe on Feb 12, 2008 13:35:14 GMT -5
FYI this year's Grammy Awards scored it's 3rd worst ratings ever... so people aren't watching like they once were. In the age of cable and satellite, people aren't watching anything like they once were. Ratings in general are way down from the 90s and down even more from the 70s. There are more options now. The fact is that the Grammys are still the most-watched and most influential music show of the year. They are also still the most important/respected. You can't deny that.
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Post by jenglisbe on Feb 12, 2008 13:36:34 GMT -5
And of course a slew of undeserving artists/songs won again this year (like every year at the Grammys). And yet you still watch and discuss them. Thanks for proving my point.
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