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Post by jenglisbe on Feb 12, 2008 13:38:19 GMT -5
What happened to Janet? Everyone seemed so sure she was performing.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 12, 2008 13:44:39 GMT -5
FYI this year's Grammy Awards scored it's 3rd worst ratings ever... so people aren't watching like they once were. In the age of cable and satellite, people aren't watching anything like they once were. Ratings in general are way down from the 90s and down even more from the 70s. There are more options now. The fact is that the Grammys are still the most-watched and most influential music show of the year. They are also still the most important/respected. You can't deny that. However, you can still have "event" television, if the event is big enough, people will still watch. The most recent Super Bowl was the most watched TV program since the last episode of M*A*S*H in 1983 The Grammys would not fit as "event television" though
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Post by Deleted on Feb 12, 2008 13:46:15 GMT -5
And of course a slew of undeserving artists/songs won again this year (like every year at the Grammys). And yet you still watch and discuss them. Thanks for proving my point. "Underdeserving" artists win because the personal favorite of the people saying that didn't win. The Grammy's are not a popularity contest among the music buying public, they have different awards shows for that.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 12, 2008 13:49:40 GMT -5
What happened to Janet? Everyone seemed so sure she was performing. What was the source that said that Janet was performing? Was it credible? or was it just a gossip page?
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Post by Devil Marlena Nylund on Feb 12, 2008 15:37:21 GMT -5
Well, my question is... who's to say who deserves them and who doesn't? Why don't people deserve awards? Who are we to question whether so-and-so worked hard enough for an award? I dunno. I think it's silly and foolish for anyone to sit there and complain about how so-and-so won and they "didn't deserve" the award just because we disagree with the choice. It's fine to not agree but to go as far as to say someone "didn't deserve" it? I can't understand that... unless it's of a person that obviously barely lifted a finger for their entire career and then they win some award over people that obviously worked super hard on said projects.
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Post by carriefan0209 on Feb 12, 2008 15:40:32 GMT -5
Well, my question is... who's to say who deserves them and who doesn't? Why don't people deserve awards? Who are we to question whether so-and-so worked hard enough for an award? I dunno. I think it's silly and foolish for anyone to sit there and complain about how so-and-so won and they "didn't deserve" the award just because we disagree with the choice. It's fine to not agree but to go as far as to say someone "didn't deserve" it? I can't understand that... unless it's of a person that obviously barely lifted a finger for their entire career and then they win some award over people that obviously worked super hard on said projects. Maybe this will help clear things up: When Carrie is nominated, she deserves it. End of story. ;) TOTALLY joking :)
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Post by ba19 on Feb 12, 2008 16:36:04 GMT -5
this might be off topic since ive noticed this seems like a carrie underwood thread lol jk? but did anyone notice that there was a tie for a grammy this year.. Best Gospel Performance - Mary J Blige/Aretha Franklin and The Clark Sisters
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Post by SILENCE on Feb 12, 2008 18:07:41 GMT -5
Exactly. So I have no issue with you having different taste then me and for not liking carrie- that's fine! It's your right not to like her for any reason you wish. But-"quality" or someone's ability to stay on key, pitch, tone, and volume-- are more on the objective side, not subjective. So that is why your comment saying carrie's voice sounded weak was amusing. lol Are you seriously saying that the ending was "weak" or the beginning? Because she didn't sound weak or sick to me- she sounded pretty powerful. :) For clarification, I never said I didn't like Carrie or the performance. It was a strange performance to me simply because it's not what I expected from her, seeing as how it was so UNcountry. I'm also not keen on the whole stomp vibe, regardless of who is singing, that type of thing IMO doesn't go well with singing. As for why I thought her voice was weak, well she wasn't able to project over the backing noise, ie the stompesque performance. The ending wasn't weak at all, in fact she powered her way through it, much to my dislike because I see no reason to be that "showy" And I didn't say she sounded sick, others' did and I said that might have contributed to her weaker vocals if indeed she was sick.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 12, 2008 18:20:52 GMT -5
this might be off topic since ive noticed this seems like a carrie underwood thread lol jk? but did anyone notice that there was a tie for a grammy this year.. Best Gospel Performance - Mary J Blige/Aretha Franklin and The Clark Sisters Didn't you know that Sunday was the Carrie Underwood Awards and not the music industry awards? Seriously, aside from this thread, I would have found that Carrie Underwoods presence was one of the least noticeable because the performance was very average. Not ready to say, "All hail Queen Carrie" just yet
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Post by ba19 on Feb 12, 2008 18:26:32 GMT -5
haha you make me laugh, i try not to comment if i dont like a performance or an artist just because its a waste of time, but i will agree with you. I like carrie but i was dissapointed in the performance...and i dont need to hear, she was sick, and it was arranged differently and whatnot, I couldn't care less. I did enjoy the last big notes she hit though that was all.
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Post by SILENCE on Feb 12, 2008 18:42:06 GMT -5
but did anyone notice that there was a tie for a grammy this year.. Best Gospel Performance - Mary J Blige/Aretha Franklin and The Clark Sisters how many times has this happened in the past? anyone know?
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Post by tsharky on Feb 12, 2008 19:00:01 GMT -5
Exactly. So I have no issue with you having different taste then me and for not liking carrie- that's fine! It's your right not to like her for any reason you wish. But-"quality" or someone's ability to stay on key, pitch, tone, and volume-- are more on the objective side, not subjective. So that is why your comment saying carrie's voice sounded weak was amusing. lol Are you seriously saying that the ending was "weak" or the beginning? Because she didn't sound weak or sick to me- she sounded pretty powerful. :) For clarification, I never said I didn't like Carrie or the performance. It was a strange performance to me simply because it's not what I expected from her, seeing as how it was so UNcountry. I'm also not keen on the whole stomp vibe, regardless of who is singing, that type of thing IMO doesn't go well with singing. As for why I thought her voice was weak, well she wasn't able to project over the backing noise, ie the stompesque performance. The ending wasn't weak at all, in fact she powered her way through it, much to my dislike because I see no reason to be that "showy" And I didn't say she sounded sick, others' did and I said that might have contributed to her weaker vocals if indeed she was sick. ok. thanx for the clarification. I guess it is a personal preference thing then-- because I loved the Stomp part of the performance because I thought it added a bluesy, interesting dimension to it. Funny thing is--- that the carrie haters here that are coming out of the woodwork in droves on this thread for whatever reason-- (not saying you are one)- would have bashed her if she had done a predictable, boring version of BHC. They would have said- how lame, how boring, how stiff. etc. So she tries to do something fun and different-- and she gets bashed here anyway. lol Some people are only happy when they knock other people down--- as if anyone here could do 1/10th as good as Carrie or any of the performers did at the grammys. get real. lol *I wasn't directing that at you-- just making a general statement. I have seen people here knocking other people down too- not just carrie, so it seems that people just like to monday morning quarterback and bash everyone in general. lol
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Post by ba19 on Feb 12, 2008 19:11:12 GMT -5
but did anyone notice that there was a tie for a grammy this year.. Best Gospel Performance - Mary J Blige/Aretha Franklin and The Clark Sisters how many times has this happened in the past? anyone know? it happened in 92' patti labelle and lisa fischer tied for female r&b i dunno how many other times though?
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Post by Hotlantan on Feb 13, 2008 0:40:32 GMT -5
Does anyone know if there can be a TIE at the Grammys????????? There were two ties last year, but it is an EXTREMELY RARE occurance. blogs.suntimes.com/awards/2007/02/sometimes_award_voters_tie_one.htmlLOS ANGELES β Grammy voters just couldnβt decide. Twice. Which led to two ties at Sundayβs awards ceremony. Jimmy Carterβs spoken-word album, ββOur Endangered Values: Americaβs Moral Crisis,ββ tied with Ossie Davis and Ruby Deeβs ββWith Ossie and Ruby: In This Life Together.ββ In the Latin pop album category, Arjonaβs ββAdentro,ββ tied with Julieta Venegasβ ββLimon Y Sal.ββ Not surprisingly, with thousands of votes generally cast, an exact tie is a rarity. The last time there were co-winners for a Grammy was in 2002: Elijah Wald tied with Walter Mosely for best album notes. However, Theriot noted, ββI donβt think a year goes by that we donβt have a tie or two in the nominations.ββ
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Post by John77 on Feb 13, 2008 1:08:16 GMT -5
Some people are just going to spin things no matter what you write. Some things worked very well with the Grammys - like anything Alicia Keys did for example... Other things didn't work well. A lot of the stuff was COMPLETELY over the top and most of it didn't work. I'll go on record here and say that this was one of my least favorite of Carrie's performances - not at all because of Carrie, but because the music and orchestration was so overdone that you couldn't always hear her voice.
I have the upmost respect for Herbie Hancock and Vince Gill. But did they truly deserve those Grammy awards they got for their current pieces of work? No. If their awards had been for "lifetime achievement" well then certainly they would have been worthy recipients.
As for Amy Winehouse... Overhyped and overrewarded the other night... let's just say I hope she gets her act together. I'm not a fan, probably will never be a fan, but I'm not one who enjoys seeing people self destruct and going the way of Cobain, etc...
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Post by 43dudleyvillas on Feb 13, 2008 9:19:47 GMT -5
I have the upmost respect for Herbie Hancock and Vince Gill. But did they truly deserve those Grammy awards they got for their current pieces of work? No. I couldn't disagree with you more re: Vince Gill. Have you listened to These Days? For sheer musical breadth and depth, These Days is in a class by itself among the Best Country Album nominees in my view -- it's an incredible achievement in music that not only richly deserved its honor in the Country field but would have been a worthy AotY recipient in the General field.
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Post by kcchica on Feb 13, 2008 10:00:45 GMT -5
I didnt like Carrie's performance, but vocally she was not as off as people are saying. It was vocally dead on, but lacking oomph and emotion to me. I also dislike the remix they made of the song. And before anyone goes OMG HOW CAN YOU SAY SHE DEAD ON AND THEN SAY SHE IS NOT!!!! I mean she was not missing notes or cracking-technically, it was a good vocal performance. I just recognize that that is not the only thing to a performance. I agree with what you're saying 100%!!! The key for me was that it lacked emotion....I thought the end sounded forced and alittle show off, but that is just my take on it,overall though vocally it sounded good.
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Post by jenglisbe on Feb 13, 2008 10:06:24 GMT -5
I have the upmost respect for Herbie Hancock and Vince Gill. But did they truly deserve those Grammy awards they got for their current pieces of work? No. If their awards had been for "lifetime achievement" well then certainly they would have been worthy recipients. Have you heard either album? Meanwhile, EW.com clears up the whole jazz/Herbie comment and history:
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Post by Deleted on Feb 13, 2008 14:17:47 GMT -5
I have the upmost respect for Herbie Hancock and Vince Gill. But did they truly deserve those Grammy awards they got for their current pieces of work? No. If their awards had been for "lifetime achievement" well then certainly they would have been worthy recipients. Well the poeple that voted on this certainly though they were deserving. Any reason that you think they don't deserve it?
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Post by SILENCE on Feb 13, 2008 14:25:47 GMT -5
^^^ maybe they are liberals *wink*
seriously to say that two legends in the industry didn't deserve their awards is kind of funny....it's not like they are rookies who won these awards on their first nominations while they beat out artists who have worked for years....
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Post by Deleted on Feb 13, 2008 14:28:36 GMT -5
A reason for being undeserving of an award would be something along the lines of a Milli Vanilli type fraud.
But other reasons that have come up in this thread for this are not legitimate. (Sales, consumer popularity, personal taste, etc.)
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Post by syrus on Feb 13, 2008 18:15:24 GMT -5
There ARE artists who aren't "deserving" of awards. Those are the ones who get nominated even when they sound horrible on a track or just nominated because of who they are. And the Grammys are based on sales and name recognition. None of the voters really sit there and listen to ALL of the material submitted.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 13, 2008 18:25:46 GMT -5
There ARE artists who aren't "deserving" of awards. Those are the ones who get nominated even when they sound horrible on a track or just nominated because of who they are. And the Grammys are based on sales and name recognition. None of the voters really sit there and listen to ALL of the material submitted. LOL, Why do you think Grammy's are based on sales? Source? Herbie Hancock's album won album of the year based on 56K in total sales (prior to this past week). If grammys are based on sales, why hasn't 'High School Musical' taken album of the year yet?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 13, 2008 18:28:36 GMT -5
There ARE artists who aren't "deserving" of awards. Those are the ones who get nominated even when they sound horrible on a track or just nominated because of who they are. And the Grammys are based on sales and name recognition. None of the voters really sit there and listen to ALL of the material submitted. Saying an album or a track sounds horrible is simply a matter of personal taste. The ones doing the voting believe the winners are deserving. Why, otherwise, would they not be deserving? The industry says, these are the ones that are award worthy. Putting a vote to the fans clearly gives a different result (and they have award shows for those too) :o
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Post by syrus on Feb 13, 2008 18:54:58 GMT -5
LOL @ ya'll actually thinking that a voter believes the winner is deserving. The voters check off the names of the ones who are most familiar to them. This is the exact reason why Aretha, Chaka, Mary and Justin won awards this year. And Herbie Hancock is alot more respected and has been around for far longer than Amy Crackhouse or Kanye.
Do you people really think they sit there and listen to the music of the nominees?
No.
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Post by syrus on Feb 13, 2008 18:56:38 GMT -5
And sales is a factor. Check the contemporary R&B Album category. For the past 5 years, the highest-selling R&B album has won. Ne-Yo beat out Akon this year because he's more well-known.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 13, 2008 18:57:06 GMT -5
OK, so no source? Just speculation on your part?
That's what I thought
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Post by Deleted on Feb 13, 2008 19:26:38 GMT -5
And sales is a factor. Check the contemporary R&B Album category. For the past 5 years, the highest-selling R&B album has won. Ne-Yo beat out Akon this year because he's more well-known. The counter-example to this being true is Herbie Hancock He didn't win, just because he is Herbie Hancock or the voters got lazy and decided not to listen to his album. He won because he put out good material in the eyes of the voters. Regarding Ne-Yo being more well known than Akon. Not sure about that either. Akon was Billboard Artist of the year in 2007 and has been all over the map musically. Ne-Yo may be more known TO YOU, though.
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Post by SILENCE on Feb 13, 2008 19:43:15 GMT -5
The voters check off the names of the ones who are most familiar to them. I would believe this if in 2006 Kelly Clarkson hadn't won both Female Pop Vocal (against Bonnie Rait, Gwen Stefani, etc) and Pop Vocal Album (against Paul McArtney, Fiona Apple, Gwen Stefani, etc.) I personally do believe that when it comes to nominating they go by buzz and name recognition but when it comes time to pick the winners the voters actually DO listen to the material in question. Perhaps that's naive but it certainly explains the upsets by less popular/well known artists who put our superior music.
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Post by Devil Marlena Nylund on Feb 13, 2008 21:57:21 GMT -5
Do you people really think they sit there and listen to the music of the nominees? No. And you know this.... how?
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