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Post by when the pawn... on Jul 18, 2008 8:17:09 GMT -5
What about John Mayer's Say for Pop Male?
And I think Radiohead is being ignored - I'd be suprised if they dont win Best Alternative Album and I think they will be a big contender for Album of the Year. It had tons of press with the whole free download thing, it got awesome reviews and they've been nominated for AOTY 2ce before.
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Post by tsharky on Jul 18, 2008 23:54:04 GMT -5
Best New Artist: Leona Lewis-- winner hands down; possible nominees-- One Republic; Duffy; Katy Perry; Leona Lewis; Miley Cyrus; FloRider
Album of the year: Alicia Keys, Jack Johnson, Coldplay, Lil Wayne, The Eagles or Carrie Underwood for the country slot
Record of the year: Bleeding Love, No Air, Lollypop, 4 Minutes to Save the World, Disturbia- or Say by John Mayer
Song of the year: Bleeding Love, Disturbia, No Air, Say by John Mayer; (not sure after that-maybe Duffy
Best Country Female Vocal: Carrie Underwood- Just a Dream-winner; other nominees- Miranda Lambert- Gunpowder and Lead; Trisha Yearwood; Leanne Rimes
Best Country Song: Just a Dream
Best Country Album: Carrie Underwood, Carnival Ride; The Eagles; Allison Krauss; Trisha Yearwood; Alan Jackson
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Post by Acid Eyes on Jul 18, 2008 23:58:42 GMT -5
New predictions for Rap/Sung:
American Boy Bust It Baby Homecoming Love In This Club Superstar
With American Boy and Superstar being the only real contenders.
And tsharky, Lil' Wayne has been in the business for quite some time now. ;)
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Post by tsharky on Jul 19, 2008 0:04:39 GMT -5
^ thanx! my bad. I only know Lil wayne for lollypop. lol sorry.
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Post by jamrock16 on Jul 19, 2008 0:27:53 GMT -5
Leona for Best New Artist!
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Post by tsharky on Jul 19, 2008 20:45:57 GMT -5
Can I just say-- I am so glad someone started this Grammy thread so early. :) I love talking about the grammys. lol I miss the old thread.
when can we expect the leaked submissions' list again? I know the cutoff date is September 30th for eligibility purposes-- but when do the artists submit their various songs/albums, etc, for consideration?
I so want another leaked list this year. lol
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Post by Bluemargay on Jul 19, 2008 21:12:54 GMT -5
Jonas Brothers are ineligible. Their "Debut" album came out last year.
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Post by Rican@ on Jul 19, 2008 21:15:00 GMT -5
Jonas Brothers are ineligible. Their "Debut" album came out last year. But did their label submitted them for BNA last year? It doesn't matter when their debut was released if the label didn't submit them.
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Post by K. on Jul 20, 2008 13:55:06 GMT -5
The Jonas Brothers will not be nominated for BNA even if they are eligible. There is zero chance.
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Post by Rican@ on Jul 20, 2008 14:01:30 GMT -5
The Jonas Brothers will not be nominated for BNA even if they are eligible. There is zero chance. Yes I know that, I was just saying.
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Post by Pulse on Jul 20, 2008 14:27:12 GMT -5
I wouldn't say there is zero chance. I think if it came down to it, Miley Cyrus would probably get in over them, but the Jonas Brothers seem to have made a reasonably big impact this year. And remember people like Britney Spears, The Backstreet Boys, Ciara, Chris Brown, etc were seen as lighter artists before who people thought would not be nominated for Best New Artist, but they were.
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Post by carriefan0209 on Jul 20, 2008 14:28:24 GMT -5
Best New Artist: Leona Lewis-- winner hands down; possible nominees-- One Republic; Duffy; Katy Perry; Leona Lewis; Miley Cyrus; FloRider Album of the year: Alicia Keys, Jack Johnson, Coldplay, Lil Wayne, The Eagles or Carrie Underwood for the country slot Record of the year: Bleeding Love, No Air, Lollypop, 4 Minutes to Save the World, Disturbia- or Say by John Mayer Song of the year: Bleeding Love, Disturbia, No Air, Say by John Mayer; (not sure after that-maybe Duffy Best Country Female Vocal: Carrie Underwood- Just a Dream-winner; other nominees- Miranda Lambert- Gunpowder and Lead; Trisha Yearwood; Leanne Rimes Best Country Song: Just a Dream Best Country Album: Carrie Underwood, Carnival Ride; The Eagles; Allison Krauss; Trisha Yearwood; Alan Jackson I love your optimism....however I think all the Carrie love is a bit exaggerated haha. I highly highly doubt Carrie will be nominated for AotY. She will definitely be nominated in the country categories though. And depending on JaD's success/reception, it could be a mainstream category contender.... Edit: Alison Kraus will take the 'country' slot for AotY and will definitely win the country album of the year...I *hope* Carrie can get a nomination for CR in that category though!
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Post by when the pawn... on Jul 20, 2008 14:46:45 GMT -5
New predictions for Rap/Sung: American Boy Bust It Baby Homecoming Love In This Club Superstar With American Boy and Superstar being the only real contenders. And tsharky, Lil' Wayne has been in the business for quite some time now. ;) That list looks good but I'm not so sure of Bust It Baby. Maybe Green Light or Got Money? I'd love Superstar to win - but would they submit it for Urban/Alt performance after winning with Daydreamin? Is LP eligible with Shadow of the Day? I think it's about time they get some grammy attention - they've only been nominated for their 1st album and their Jay-Z collabo. Dance Recording has a ton of potential from pop artists - Chris Brown (Forever), Rihanna (Disturbia), Madonna (Give It 2 Me), Britney Spears (Piece of Me) Can Danity Kane (Damaged) or PCD (WIGU) get in for Pop Duo/Group? How about David Cook for pop male? Coldplay a lock to win Best Rock Album? these are kinda off the top of my head and I list more than 5 if I cant decide... AOTY - Coldplay, Radiohead, Lil Wayne, The Eagles, Britney Spears (call me crazy), Madonna, Flobots, Chris Brown ROTY - Bleeding Love, No Air, 4 Minutes, Lollipop, Superstar, Handlebars, Disturbia, Viva la Vida, Apologize SOTY - Handlebars, Bleeding Love, Like You'll Never See Me Again, some country song, Viva la Vida, Apologize BNA - Leona Lewis, Flobots, Duffy, OneRepublic, Miley Cyrus Pop Female - Bleeding Love, Pocketful of Sunshine, I Kissed A Girl, Mercy, Love Song, Take A Bow Pop Male - Say, Time of my Life, I'm Yours, With You, If I Had Eyes Pop Duo/Group - Viva la Vida, Damaged, Stop & Stare, I Will Posses Your Heart, Shadow of the Day Pop Collabo - 4 Minutes, No Air, If I Never See Your Face Again, Apologize Pop Album - Jack Johnson, Madonna, Britney Spears, Alanis Morissette (wishful thinking), Leona Lewis Dance Recording - Give it 2 Me, Piece of Me, Shut Up & Let Me Go, Forever, Disturbia Rock Duo/Group - Violet Hill, Salute Your Salution, Pork and Beans, Rock Album - Coldplay, Weezer Alternative Album - Radiohead, The Raconteurs, Gnarls Barkley R&B Female - Like You'll Never See Me Again, Honey, Just Fine, Touch my Body, The Way I Love You, Heaven Sent R&B Male - Closer, Take You Down, Moving Mountains, Do You Feel Me, Magic R&B Album - Alicia Keys, Mary J Blige, John Legend, Robin Thicke, Jennifer Hudson Contemporary R&B Album - Neyo, Usher, Ashanti, Mariah Carey, Chris Brown Urban/Alternative Performance - Spaz, Going On, Sensual Seduction Rap Solo - Paris Tokyo, Lollipop, No Matta What, Roc Boys Rap Duo/Group - Mr. Carter, Handlebars, You, Rising Down, Put On Rap/Sung Collabo - Superstar, American Boy, Green Light, Got Money, Love in this Club Rap Album - Flobots, Lil Wayne, Nas, Lupe Fiasco, Jay-Z, The Roots
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Post by cking33 on Jul 20, 2008 14:57:13 GMT -5
Best New Artist: Leona Lewis-- winner hands down; possible nominees-- One Republic; Duffy; Katy Perry; Leona Lewis; Miley Cyrus; FloRider Album of the year: Alicia Keys, Jack Johnson, Coldplay, Lil Wayne, The Eagles or Carrie Underwood for the country slot Record of the year: Bleeding Love, No Air, Lollypop, 4 Minutes to Save the World, Disturbia- or Say by John Mayer Song of the year: Bleeding Love, Disturbia, No Air, Say by John Mayer; (not sure after that-maybe Duffy Best Country Female Vocal: Carrie Underwood- Just a Dream-winner; other nominees- Miranda Lambert- Gunpowder and Lead; Trisha Yearwood; Leanne Rimes Best Country Song: Just a Dream Best Country Album: Carrie Underwood, Carnival Ride; The Eagles; Allison Krauss; Trisha Yearwood; Alan Jackson Not to be mean, but I disagree with your song and record of the year predictions. There's little chance "No Air" and "Disturbia" are nominated in one of these, let alone both categories. Bleeding Love could get nominated and both categories and probably will. Madonna has an outside chance, but I think it will get ignored. I think you're going to see Coldplay get nominated in both categories for "Viva la vida." "Apologize" will probably land in one or both of these categories. Duffy has a chance because she has critical appeal and her song is a throwback to the 60s, which always helps with the older Grammy voters. (You see what it did for Amy Winehouse last year.)
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Post by tsharky on Jul 21, 2008 22:28:21 GMT -5
Best New Artist: Leona Lewis-- winner hands down; possible nominees-- One Republic; Duffy; Katy Perry; Leona Lewis; Miley Cyrus; FloRider Album of the year: Alicia Keys, Jack Johnson, Coldplay, Lil Wayne, The Eagles or Carrie Underwood for the country slot Record of the year: Bleeding Love, No Air, Lollypop, 4 Minutes to Save the World, Disturbia- or Say by John Mayer Song of the year: Bleeding Love, Disturbia, No Air, Say by John Mayer; (not sure after that-maybe Duffy Best Country Female Vocal: Carrie Underwood- Just a Dream-winner; other nominees- Miranda Lambert- Gunpowder and Lead; Trisha Yearwood; Leanne Rimes Best Country Song: Just a Dream Best Country Album: Carrie Underwood, Carnival Ride; The Eagles; Allison Krauss; Trisha Yearwood; Alan Jackson I love your optimism....however I think all the Carrie love is a bit exaggerated haha. I highly highly doubt Carrie will be nominated for AotY. She will definitely be nominated in the country categories though. And depending on JaD's success/reception, it could be a mainstream category contender.... Edit: Alison Kraus will take the 'country' slot for AotY and will definitely win the country album of the year...I *hope* Carrie can get a nomination for CR in that category though! agree that it will be tough- as either the Eagles or Allison Krauss are both Grammy favorites and seem to win alot, right? But I think Allison Krauss has won so much- that they may want to give someone else a chance this year. Carrie beat her last year for Female Vocal Performance- so they are not just going to blindly checkc off Allison's name every year like before. lol Allison is amazing- no doubt- I like her alot. But I think Carrie's Carnival Ride had 3 number 1's already, and the 4th is on the way with Just a Dream. Neither the Eagles nor Allison had any number 1 hits this year, versus Carrie's soon to be 4 number 1 hits off this album. So I think she might have a chance at a nomination- even if she can't win.
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Post by tsharky on Jul 21, 2008 22:31:03 GMT -5
Best New Artist: Leona Lewis-- winner hands down; possible nominees-- One Republic; Duffy; Katy Perry; Leona Lewis; Miley Cyrus; FloRider Album of the year: Alicia Keys, Jack Johnson, Coldplay, Lil Wayne, The Eagles or Carrie Underwood for the country slot Record of the year: Bleeding Love, No Air, Lollypop, 4 Minutes to Save the World, Disturbia- or Say by John Mayer Song of the year: Bleeding Love, Disturbia, No Air, Say by John Mayer; (not sure after that-maybe Duffy Best Country Female Vocal: Carrie Underwood- Just a Dream-winner; other nominees- Miranda Lambert- Gunpowder and Lead; Trisha Yearwood; Leanne Rimes Best Country Song: Just a Dream Best Country Album: Carrie Underwood, Carnival Ride; The Eagles; Allison Krauss; Trisha Yearwood; Alan Jackson Not to be mean, but I disagree with your song and record of the year predictions. There's little chance "No Air" and "Disturbia" are nominated in one of these, let alone both categories. Bleeding Love could get nominated and both categories and probably will. Madonna has an outside chance, but I think it will get ignored. I think you're going to see Coldplay get nominated in both categories for "Viva la vida." "Apologize" will probably land in one or both of these categories. Duffy has a chance because she has critical appeal and her song is a throwback to the 60s, which always helps with the older Grammy voters. (You see what it did for Amy Winehouse last year.) true--- I love Coldplay and oneRepublic- so I will be happy if they get nominated. I am not really a big Jordan Sparks fan anyway- but I do love the duet with Chris Brown, No Air. It was a good song. Rhianna and Chris Brown both had really big years- so they may get some grammy love again this year. I don't like Disturbia half as much as "please don't stop the music" actually-- that song rocked! But it was up for consideration last year, apparently.
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Post by popindustrialist on Jul 22, 2008 12:38:09 GMT -5
Jonas Brothers are ineligible. Their "Debut" album came out last year. But did their label submitted them for BNA last year? It doesn't matter when their debut was released if the label didn't submit them. I'd love to where this 'submitted' myth started. The eligibility period for the 2009 Grammy's is music released between Oct 1/2007 and Sept 30/2008. Music released before or after on a major label is ineligible. It dosent matter if they 'werent submitted'. If the music didnt drop within the 52 week qualifier, it isnt eligible. The only exception is the 'public impact' rule, which is in place for music released years previous that had no initial impact, by an act or band that also had no impact. No impact dosent mean "It only peaked at #84 in 1998!". No impact means the album sold 300 copies in 1998, out of the back of the band's van. Miley Cyrus and The Jonas Bros are not eligible for Best New Artist. The nomination criteria: "For a new artist who releases, during the Eligibility Year, the first recording which establishes the public identity of that artist" Jonas Bros self-titled disc entered at #5 in Aug/07. Meet Miley Cyrus/Hannah Montana 2 entered at #1 in June/07.
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Post by when the pawn... on Jul 22, 2008 12:45:39 GMT -5
Artists are submitted for consideration. There is a list of artists/albums/songs submitted by their labels to grammy voters. We saw the lists for last year. The Backstreet Boys debut album was released in August 97 and QPGWMH was one of 97's biggest hits - with plenty of impact, why were they nominated for 98? Because they were submitted for consideration that year.
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Post by Pulse on Jul 22, 2008 13:09:20 GMT -5
Yeah, erfrank is right. Its not such a rigid thing. People have to be actually submitted. And a rule like
"For a new artist who releases, during the Eligibility Year, the first recording which establishes the public identity of that artist"
is ambiguous enough for Miley to be considered this year. And even if you try to argue that she was "established" last year, I'm sure they'll say that her last album was a soundtrack, and that her new album is really her first album or something.
Like I said before, they even made a reference in her presentation at last year's awards to her being eligible this year.
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Post by popindustrialist on Jul 23, 2008 10:13:57 GMT -5
Artists are submitted for consideration. There is a list of artists/ The Backstreet Boys debut album was released in August 97 and QPGWMH was one of 97's biggest hits - with plenty of impact, why were they nominated for 98? Because they were submitted for consideration that year. BSB's US debut was released 4 weeks before the conclusion of the 97 eligibility period. The disc peaked at #15 in week 2 and plunged into the 30-40-50's as the year wore on. They exited '97 with a gold disc. As Long As You Love Me broke in '98 and pushed the disc into the top 10, where it stayed for almost a year. The 'Public Identity' rule for BNA is precisely for this. New acts can take months to break. The BSB album didnt take off until well past any point that the Grammy's could've included them, and before the disc took off they had no resason too. Do you really think Miley, with a #1 disc in '06 (when she was already a tv star), '07 and potentially '08 is really the same situation, or anything akin, to the BSB situation? It's the difference between 4 weeks and 3 years.
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Post by carriefan0209 on Jul 23, 2008 10:33:23 GMT -5
Regardless I highly doubt Miley will get a nomination anyway. Ha.
It looks like:
Leona Duffy OneRepublic Estelle/Jordin/Adele *token unknown/not very famous act*
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Post by mattmoll6690 on Jul 23, 2008 17:52:21 GMT -5
Regardless I highly doubt Miley will get a nomination anyway. Ha. It looks like: Leona Duffy OneRepublic Estelle/Jordin/Adele *token unknown/not very famous act* Exactly! Always some unknown person to appear. Like last year, who was Ledisi?
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Post by Bluemargay on Jul 23, 2008 22:33:56 GMT -5
Someone who robbed Daughtry. I'm not sure if both Leona Lewis and Duffy will be nominated. It's like the whole Amy Winehouse/Lily Allen thing
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Post by when the pawn... on Jul 24, 2008 10:50:19 GMT -5
Artists are submitted for consideration. There is a list of artists/ The Backstreet Boys debut album was released in August 97 and QPGWMH was one of 97's biggest hits - with plenty of impact, why were they nominated for 98? Because they were submitted for consideration that year. BSB's US debut was released 4 weeks before the conclusion of the 97 eligibility period. The disc peaked at #15 in week 2 and plunged into the 30-40-50's as the year wore on. They exited '97 with a gold disc. As Long As You Love Me broke in '98 and pushed the disc into the top 10, where it stayed for almost a year. The 'Public Identity' rule for BNA is precisely for this. New acts can take months to break. The BSB album didnt take off until well past any point that the Grammy's could've included them, and before the disc took off they had no resason too. Do you really think Miley, with a #1 disc in '06 (when she was already a tv star), '07 and potentially '08 is really the same situation, or anything akin, to the BSB situation? It's the difference between 4 weeks and 3 years. Yes BSB got huge in 98, which is why their label decided to submit them for that year because they'd have a better chance. Imogen Heap could've been submitted for a while but after Hide & Seek, their label thought she could break through in 06. What about No One getting nominated last year but Apologize being eligible this year? Apolgoize was DEFINITELY released 1st so if the grammy committee had some eligibility criteria to make nominees, why would Apologize be eligible for this year but not No One.
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Post by popindustrialist on Jul 24, 2008 19:46:10 GMT -5
^ The Timbaland remix of Apologize, which was the hit (Timbaland ft. One Republic) isnt eligible. OneRepublic's album version is.
That's why I said earlier in the thread that I thought if any OneRepublic track gets nom'd, it's going to be Stop & Stare, because the Grammy crew probably dont want to have to deal with, yet again, accusations of racism. The Grammy's have a long history of honoring 'white' remakes of songs originally written and performed by black acts (The Pat Boone effect). This is the technically reversed, 1R's version is the original, but Timbo's version would be the one that got ignored. The 3 million + selling hit.
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Post by popindustrialist on Jul 24, 2008 19:50:18 GMT -5
"which is why their label decided to submit them for that year because they'd have a better chance"
But remember that there's still the release date within the 52 week eligibility period rule for BNA. They can have released material previously, but they have to product released within the eligibility. What got BSB 'excused' for already having product out during the previous year was the 'establishing identity' clause.
Everybody (Backstreet's Back) was the product that made them eligible. Without it, they wouldnt have qualified.
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Post by blurple on Jul 29, 2008 9:37:17 GMT -5
I think they should wait for the next year to submit Miley for BNA - that way Breakout already has mutliple hit singles. She would probably have a bigger shot than this year. Same with Breakout although obviously they can submit 7 Things and See You Again for the Pop categories
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Post by okramvd on Jul 29, 2008 12:16:46 GMT -5
I love your optimism....however I think all the Carrie love is a bit exaggerated haha. I highly highly doubt Carrie will be nominated for AotY. She will definitely be nominated in the country categories though. And depending on JaD's success/reception, it could be a mainstream category contender.... Edit: Alison Kraus will take the 'country' slot for AotY and will definitely win the country album of the year...I *hope* Carrie can get a nomination for CR in that category though! agree that it will be tough- as either the Eagles or Allison Krauss are both Grammy favorites and seem to win alot, right? But I think Allison Krauss has won so much- that they may want to give someone else a chance this year. Carrie beat her last year for Female Vocal Performance- so they are not just going to blindly checkc off Allison's name every year like before. lol Allison is amazing- no doubt- I like her alot. But I think Carrie's Carnival Ride had 3 number 1's already, and the 4th is on the way with Just a Dream. Neither the Eagles nor Allison had any number 1 hits this year, versus Carrie's soon to be 4 number 1 hits off this album. So I think she might have a chance at a nomination- even if she can't win. it's not about how many # 1's an album had. Grammys are not about that, if not Alison Krauss hadn't won 21 awards.
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Post by okramvd on Jul 29, 2008 12:20:01 GMT -5
Best New Artist: Leona Lewis-- winner hands down; possible nominees-- One Republic; Duffy; Katy Perry; Leona Lewis; Miley Cyrus; FloRider Album of the year: Alicia Keys, Jack Johnson, Coldplay, Lil Wayne, The Eagles or Carrie Underwood Alison Krauss for the country slot Record of the year: Bleeding Love, No Air, Lollypop, 4 Minutes to Save the World, Disturbia- or Say by John Mayer Song of the year: Bleeding Love, Disturbia, No Air, Say by John Mayer; (not sure after that-maybe Duffy Best Country Female Vocal: Carrie Underwood- Just a Dream-winner; other nominees- Miranda Lambert- Gunpowder and Lead; Trisha Yearwood; Leanne Rimes I DON'T KNOW BUT I THINK MIRANDA AND TRISHA COULD WIN OVER CARRIE....AND MAYBE LEE ANN WOMACK WILL GET NOMINATED TOOBest Country Song: Just a Dream, You're Gonna Miss ThisBest Country Album: Carrie Underwood, Carnival Ride; The Eagles; Allison Krau ss; Trisha Yearwood; Alan Jackson that's what i think
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Post by carriefan0209 on Jul 29, 2008 12:27:12 GMT -5
I dont think Carrie will lose BCFV with Just a Dream...unless they REALLY want to give it to Miranda
Also JaD should be a BCS nominee as well
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